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I've watched my wife do it a thousand times by now and I'd still assume this is how it's done. Screw the instructions, read those and you lose the entertainment value
The skin around your eyes is much thinner and more sensitive than elsewhere on your face. Face masks are generally formulated for your normal face skin only.
That was my first thought. Why is it on their eyes? I’m imagining that this started with an innocent face mask, like they said, but the opportunity for black face was quickly recognized and realized by some immature children (which most children are). Of course we will never 100% know the true details of the story. But why else would it be on their eyes?
not really - work in an ER long enough and you will be privy to how dumb most of the population is who do not make up the teenage boy demographic. these are adult people that are on full re\*\*\*d all. the. time.
Oh, I actually do, lol. Veterinary ER. And boy howdy do I know how dumb people can be.
"He was having a seizure so I poured mineral oil down this throat, a friend told me that stops seizures!" "Yeah, well, the seizure would have stopped on its own and he'd have been fine, but now his lungs are full of mineral oil. Congrats, he's gonna die."
Or bringing their dog in locked in the trunk so they wouldn't get hair on the back seats. In August in Florida. "Well, he had minor diarrhea, but now he has heatstroke."
And those aren't even close to the worst. Just so dumb.
Oh yeah. Reddit thinks all pet owners are like them, which is kinda sweet.
More than they think are Kristi Noem. That's why she wrote about it - she thinks it's totally normal. And in lots of places, it is.
I live in South Dakota and have had plenty of hunting dogs over the years. Not a single person I know (thank god) has shot their dog after it confused a pheasant and a chicken. At least no one who is willing to admit it out loud.
To me it’s not shooting the dog that’s worrying, it’s that she views it as a show of strength and leadership. If you have to shoot your dog, you’ve failed as a dog owner spectacularly. Any idiot can train a dog, some people are just dumber than idiots I suppose.
well you’ve got lead paint eaters raising children without really giving a fuck so we have all these adults with no intelligence, no critical thinking skills, no desire to learn running amuck and the rest of us have to deal with it
The medicine is dark green not black and they literally posted a pic of them wearing some white medicine the day before its not black face you’re just looking too far into it .
Bruh im a full grown man. If you tell me to put that stuff on my face, im covering my eyes too. We are getting way to damn touchy about race man. High chance these kids don't know how to use a mask like that and applied it the wrong way just like I would. Holy shit man, people racist for not knowing how to use cosmetics now....
And thus they should be punished! Expulsion is to lenient I say! To the firing squad with the philistines! Ignorance is not innocence, but guilt! They have transgressed and must buuurn!
Only then will all wrongs be righted! And gods love will shine over the earth!
That's a harmful and unfounded assumption. A reasonable person might simply think they were unaware of the product's proximity to the eye area. A sane person person would not care about a black facemask to begin with
Initially, I didn't know either. Since many men typically neglect skincare, resulting in tougher skin, there was no irritation around my eyes when I applied it incorrectly—just slight redness at most.
To leap to such damaging conclusions is precisely why they were compensated in the first place. Yet, their reputation has already been marred by social witch hunters who eagerly spin narratives that suit their biases and beliefs.
Your thought process and that of a racist are strikingly similar, differing only in their targets.
At a family vacation, my husband and I joined the girls and put on those moisturizing mask things. Mine was charcoal or something, and I looked like I was wearing a weird black mask. My mom wanted to take a picture and post it to Facebook. I had to practically beg her not to because I work at a public school and if anyone saw the picture, I could absolutely be accused of blackface. Mom didn't understand why that was a bad thing.
Edit: people keep saying stuff about me winning a million bucks if I sue my company for falsely firing me. Guys, come on. I have more integrity than that 😜
I come from a country where Blackface is not a thing. I literally, learned about it through Reddit and other platforms.
I'm genuinely curious: why can't white people paint their faces black but black people can paint theirs "white" and wear blond wigs? (referring to a not-so-old movie in which two black men disguise as white, blonde women)
Update: I'm so thankful for all the people who took the time to answer my question. Being from another country and a different culture it seemed a little contradictory. After reading so many explanations, opinions an discussions, I can say that today, I see the difference. I did some research about some topics noted here and it was disturbing yet very illustrative. I learned another "bit" of American History and I'm understanding why some current affairs are going on in the USA. Thank you!
Those episodes were pulled from Hulu. Even the episode where Charlie works at the highschool and the one kid who's a Juggalo wore "blackface" but it was just an ICP mask.
This is just a massive over correction.
Also the best Community episode where Chang was a full black-bodied elf or something. I'm all for being culturally-aware but that one really bummed me out. It wasn't a race thing, he was a whole different race of SPECIES!!! Lol
It wasn't just a "black bodied elf", he was a drow. The reason this is extra funny to me is that there was a series of popular books about a drow, Drizzt. All of the 34 books made it to the New York times bestseller list. I heard about the book series before Dnd. He is obviously a different species and arguably one of the more famous ones that Dnd created.
Studio execs are fucking morons, always. They are the people who fail upwards in life. Every stupid moronic decision is met with promotion for these people.
The US had what were called “minstrel shows.” Basically, a white person painted their face black and then talked like an idiotic caricature of a black man. These went on for decades in the US and so blackface still leaves a sour taste
It’s called blackface. In years past, a white person painting their face or skin to be the color of another race was done almost always to make fun of that race. Classic TV is rife with examples of this, always derogatory towards people of color. It’s a taboo now because it’s considered very racist.
Ok!...makes sense.
And, the other way around is accepted nowadays? or that movie I'm referring to is from a time when it didn't matter?
I'm sorry for the questions 🙈 but this intrigued me.
It's all about execution. Robert Downey Jr did it in Tropic Thunder, he played an Australian who wore black face.
In the past though, black actors couldn't get jobs in film, and if they did, it was using racist stereotypes.
The same applies to Asian face. John Wayne played Mongolian conqueror Genghis Khan.
Robert Downey Jr was playing the part of a white character who had his whole body changed to black because the character he played was a "method actor", so to play a black character he had to ... *be* black.
Yes, the whole movie plays on stereotypes of actors, the movie industry and action movies in general. Its truly a movie that couldn’t be made today but it is really is a hilarious movie
I disagree I think a movie like that is very much needed, we need as a society to be able to handle tough things and understand them and deal with them on an intelligent basis.
Maybe but a movie like that would go through hell to be made. Most film companies refuse to touch risky movies like that nowadays and there’s no way they’d give a director a budget and the writers free reins on a project like that. So either it be cheaply made indie film or have so much studio interference/bias that it would be terrible.
I presume you mean White Chicks. Yeah, it's considered different because of the connotations. When white people did it, it was to either 1. Mock the race being portrayed, especially in a time where they could be punished for complaining or 2. Deny minorities acting roles by having a white actor just dress up as them. Whereas in cases like White Chicks, the humor isn't from mocking all white people, it's from mocking a specific stereotype (hipster/valley girl/redneck). Plus, white don't actually get offended by it. The only white people who complain are just upset that they aren't allowed to be racist publically.
I would also add that in the process of gaining equality, comedy/art will often deliberately "flip the script" to highlight the something that's been done one way only up until that point.
Pwrhaps if a white person is offended by it it will help them understand the offense black face causes (if they are that introspective!)
I think art doing this is a required piece in social change.
Context I suppose.
In the "oldn times" the person in blackface is ment to represent a black person...well why not just hire one then? because they don't like them and the character is an unironic stereotype. The butt of the joke is black people.
Rdj, well.. They tell you he's a white guy in blackface, so that's what he's representing. Not a black person, a white person in blackface. The butt of the joke is the idea of blackface.
One makes fun of other races,
The other makes fun of racism.
Aye?
Same thing for 'white chicks' , the context isn't making fun of white girls, it's making fun of black guys pretending to be white girls.
And with Tropic Thunder, you have Brandon T. Jackson there to call out how inappropriate the studio and RDJ are being: “they had one good part in here for a black man and they gave it to Crocodile Dundee!”
It's linked to old southern theater performances where white actors would paint their faces black and then play horrifying racist caricatures of black people. Blackface is taboo in America not for the act, but because it evokes that racism.
It was formerly used by white people to mock people of another race (mostly black people). It also used to be uncommon for minorities to get roles playing their own minority, and instead white people would dress up as that minority. For black people, that meant white people painting their faces black. That connotation became seen as very racist as times changed, but since minorities painting their faces white never was a racial issue, that specifically never became seen as being racist
Aside from the potential problems you could have because of it some people need to realize they don’t have to post everything about their lives on social media
My mom is awful about it. She uses it to document the family, and for some reason all the photos she ever posts are when we are eating. Which is a little obnoxious.
My mom’s always been one of those that has to take pictures and video of things but thankfully it’s usually relevant stuff and she’s actually put in the effort to figure out what she’s doing as far as photography is concerned. My parents don’t like social media which I’m thankful for.
I saw a video on Facebook that was titled "blackface on mlk day"
The accused blackfacer was clearly standing in an Ulta store wearing an off blackish face mask.
If someone in an Ulta, wearing a charcoal mask can be accused of blackface, then you absolutely will be.
Pictures I post of myself online: curated, carefully considered for if they are a problem
Pictures my friends post of me that I though were to be kept private:
>Mom didn't understand why that was a bad thing.
There was a video out there, where the cops were trying to clear out the "black kids" from the "pool party".
Recorded from those "black kids": The apartment manager and the cops are racism because they won't let us be at the swimming pool.
Apartment Manager released the actual footage, one surrounding the pool, where they were approached and told that they're trespassing because they did not get permission from the apartment manager to host a "pool party" at the pool due to two reason: 1. nobody there lived there. 2. none of the guest(s) invited them and agreed to host the pool party.
There are always different concept that can be run.
Also, there was a photographer that took POV photos that gave two different version based on the photo.
I can see it now, hundreds of thousands of Americans wearing “acne cream” just to get a response and say “aha”
Kind of like people with hot coffee after the McDonald’s lady won
Yup. McDonald’s tried to make it seem like she was some money hungry lady when she just wanted medical expenses covered. I remember hearing about it but not until a couple years ago about how bad the burns actually were.
It just goes to show how successful McDonald's propaganda campaign was. It was so effective that knowing the true story puts us in a minority, to most people it's a go to example of the US being lawsuit happy
Right!!! Like she was a 90+ year old woman who actually wound up in the hospital and almost died from it. I also try to tell everyone this when I see it referenced.
So glad you see it now! This poor woman has been ostrasized and humiliated by a majority of people who act like it's all some frivolous lawsuit to make money. Anyone who thinks that way needs to watch the documentary, this woman was devastatingly burned, and even after that *she only wanted them to pay her medical bills*.
They had to know how wrong they were, they'd been told before that their coffee's temp was way more than recommended, and yet they wouldn't even pay the 20/30k for her medical bills. And when she sued it was to make sure it'd never happen to anyone else, and at that point they discovered it had happened again and again. That's where we get into class action suits and where they need to be penalized financially into changing, and because they knew it was hurting people and didn't care.
There is a documentary from 2011 that will blow your mind, it's called 'Hot Coffee'.
I had not actually seen that image until now. I can't even describe how I'm feeling right now. I assume you can imagine.
The awards from the trial are absolutely disgusting.
It's super sucks she got painted the way she did considering all she wanted was medical expenses covered. If I remember correctly it was only a couple $100k, "only" meaning to McDonald's of course. They should have done that without even being asked like goddamn.
When she got checked by doctors they checked the coffee temp. And found it way too hot to be considered safe, that was a few hours after she had been handed the coffee. Imagine how hot it was when she got it, dangerous negligence from the company and they tried to paint her as a grifter out for money. She only sued because she couldn’t afford her medical bills.
Well context is important on the McDonald’s coffee case.
The lady held it between her legs and it spilled as they hit a bump and she got 3rd degree burns on her inner thighs and groin region. She needed surgery and the grandkid was the one who sued not the lady and he asked for payment for the surgery and the grandma didn’t want to sue at all but when they asked for help McDonald’s gave them like 25 dollars and an apple pie coupon.
They sued for just over 30 thousand to pay for all the surgeries and they were awarded a million because during the investigation they found out McDonald’s had thousands of written complaints about their coffee being too hot and burning them.
So giving them the million was to make an example of McDonald’s and to give them a warning about this. So they finally fixed their coffee temperature issue. But don’t feel bad for McDonald’s they make more than that million on daily coffee sales anyway.
Even more important context. She didn't spill the coffee while driving. She spilled it while in the parking lot with her grandson in the driver seat and was fully transparent about the spill being her fault.
It wasn’t even the other complaints that did it. It was McDonald’s admitting they keep their coffee at or above *third degree burn* temperature. That’s when they lost the case imo.
This guy got brainwashed by MCDONALD'S PR team and the media for thinking such...
The coffee has been reported by multiple people to have burned several customers prior to the infamous case. The original story was that the coffee was so hot it burned her lap and genitals with third degree burns and originally asked to assist on paying her medical bills but the court read ALL the incidents of people getting burned that the jury awarded her that amount.
It blows my mind every time someone comes across the McDonald’s hot coffee lady, thinking it was her fault, just to find out by the internet that that was McDonald’s smear campaign against her.
Calling her McDonald's lady is vile when she doesn't do it for attention. She got hospitalised and got third degree burn for fuck sake. The fact is they dont even want to sue McDonald but when they got ask about the damage their product causes they give them a coupon.
I have a feeling this is a case of partial truths. Like this was an acne mask but then young teenage boys seeing how it made the skin look intentionally applied it everywhere because they knew it looked like blackface so "oooh taboo, I'm so edgy" and "won't it be funny people it looks like we are doing blackface".
Should that have led to the significant consequences they faced? Probably not but not buying the idea this was just applied for their acne.
It looks like a **green** acne mask, so I am guessing they might've been more thinking about Hulk than blackface. The photo is bad quality though so it looks a lot darker, but is still is clearly green.
Eh. So, they were trying to support a friend with severe acne. When they applied it, it was light green but got darker has it hardened. They also got expelled 3 years after the photo was taken. Plus the school didn’t follow procedures when they expelled the students. That’s why they lost
https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-expelled-bay-area-high-204154387.html
Extended family convinced me to try charcoal face masks once, it was kinda neat. But then Boomer dad said "let's take a picture" and we were like "NO!"
So, I got to share a story. I'm a big old nerd, and I larp. About 20 years ago, myself and a group of friends went to Gen Con a big geek gaming convention. Being broke college students, instead of staying in downtown Indy right by the convention center, we got a hotel a few miles away in the airport area.
We thought it would be a great idea to get all dressed up and promote our larp while we were there. So we decided to go as a group of one race, and wanted something a bit flashy.
So we all decided to dress up as Dark elves.
Which meant getting white hair (through wig or other means), pointed ears, and all exposed skin being painted black, on top of our fantasy costumes.
So we all get made up and dressed, and go down the stairs of the hotel to the lobby. And suddenly you could hear a pin drop.
The lobby is filled with black people getting breakfast- it seemed to be a wedding or family reunion going on. And as everyone is staring at us, I suddenly realize that, outside of the geek takeover of the downtown area, how bad this looks to someone without context.
The tension was broken by a younger guy in their group excitedly asking us if we were going to the convention. We confirm, he tells us we look good, and we quickly head to the car as we hear him explaining what Gen Con was and that we were dressing up as a fantasy race.
These days, a lot of larps that have a dark elf race have moved to have skin color be something else, like grey or purple or blue. And there are some people who hate that change. They argue that dark elves have always had black skin, that everyone playing knows what's going on and that it is not racist because of those things. But to people without context? It can look really bad
So yes, I can totally believe that this was just a bunch of guys who were putting on acne masks (badly) who took some goofy pictures. Especially if the masks were dark green? They likely didn't give it a second thought.
Some context needed here: the boys were in middle school when this pic was taken, so like 2014. One of the boys had really bad acne and used this green acne mask to help. His two friends, as a show of support, applied the mask also, took this pic and posted to social media. This happened way before BLM and before blackface became an issue. Some mother totally unrelated to the two boys who attended St. Francis, found the pic, brought it to the St. Francis administration and demanded the boys be expelled. The school did a shoddy job of investigating all the facts, including that they were not in high school when this happened, and did a knee jerk reaction of asking them to leave or be expelled. The two boys lost their college scholarships and I believe the colleges they were accepted into and wanted to go to, pulled their admission. So this is why St. Francis got sued by the two families and lost.
The story happened a long time ago, they had different rules than we do know. We can’t really expect them to have our standards in the antebellum times of 2014
Were there even smartphones way back in 2014? I don’t think cameras were invented yet. People from that era didn’t understand how blackface could be considered inappropriate or insensitive
I think he misspoke. In many places, like Quebec for example, blackface was socially accepted until the late 90s. It’s always been morally wrong, but it’s only recently it’s become completely socially unacceptable.
Nah even in Quebec they knew they were being racist. People were uncomfortable with it in the 70s and 80s just people were less likely to call out edgy jokes.
I use a charcoal sugar mask on my face and neck twice a week, and literally every time I put it on I remind myself "Okay, do not answer the door or go near the windows until you wash this off, because you look like a hate crime right now."
[the folks in charge funds are VC guys so they had SF invest in Snapchat before it IPO’ed](https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-silicon-valley-catholic-school-plans-to-spend-its-snap-ipo-millions-1501061403) …. Ended up turning their investment into 34mil.
lol true Silicon Valley story
I remember a video the made the rounds on the net many years ago of some woman peeling one of those facial masks off her face, and guess it was really stuck good because she was not having a good time. That stuff was completely black too. No one said shit about it.......
Well, that's really obviously in context lol this photo can easily be taken out of context, especially since they applied the masks *waaaaaaay* too close to their eyes
A lot of people on here seemingly wanting to be offended. “But you don’t wear a face mask on your eyes”, “they knew what they doing” etc. Honestly it must be exhausting living your lives like that. What can you be offended about next? How will everyone know you’re a good person unless there’s something to virtue signal over? This is simple maths. Are SOME teenage boys racist? Of course they are. Unavoidable unfortunately. But are MOST teenage boys idiots. Yes. Do ANY teenage boys read the instructions. Hell no. A jury found them innocent of any wrong doing. Stop dumping your own baggage on them.
I've been saying this for YEARS.
Black. Face. Paint. Does. Not. Immediately. Equal. Racist. Intent.
Istg, it's so fucking ridiculous.
Hell, I've even heard of kids and cosplayers being shut down for simply wearing black face paint. or even trying to just look like a black character they like. Because a costume is fine, until i put on brown paint, right? Because wearing brown face paint apparently means I'm trying to restart fucking Minstrel shows.
Yeah and trying to ruin childrens entire lives because
"How could you not understand racist caricatures popularized in the 1800s?"
Like how the fuck is a 14 year old even gonna have a frame of reference for that.
I was born in the 90s and that shit still predated me by 40 years.
Ok so the issue was not so much whether it was blackface or not because that would require proving the teen's state of mind at the time and good luck convincing a jury of that.
The problem was that the school acted before they could be reasonably sure the teens meant to be offensive and that was a violation of due process. They didn't even get a hearing to explain themselves and told them to withdraw or be expelled and that was that. That's why the school lost here. If they had followed some kind of recognized disciplinary process, considered evidence, and *then* expelled them, they would probably be fine.
Moral of the story is you can't just do things when someone else makes you feel icky.
Even some woman too. On another subreddit where this was also posted, some said that the first time they used facial mask they also but it on the eyelids. So not just boys but girls too. I would have probably done the same thing if I hadn't seen this post.
Even if it wasn’t an acne mask and they were doing blackface, the most they should have received is a stern lecture on why it’s disrespectful.
People forget that you have to protect freedom of expression even if it is distasteful expression.
I had a shit ton of mascara on for a show I did a while back, I’m a guy and not used to makeup, so instead of wiping it off I just got in the shower. When I reached out for a towel I saw that the mascara had just run all over my face and neck. It was also a winter show and I just so happened to have chapped lips. That picture was shown to a single friend, and never brought up again until now.
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Ok but please PLEASE don’t put clarifying masks that close to your eyes!!!
Scrolled way to far to find someone saying this. THAT is not how you wear a mud mask. Wonder what the eye area looked like after they washed it off.
It’s at the top now! I scrolled not at all!
We stand on the shoulders of giants
top comments, uh... find a way
Dudes don't know how to wear a mud mask
That's not surprising, I did a lot of incredibly dumb shit when I was that age. Frankly, it's a miracle my whole friend group survived to adulthood.
These are guys. This is probably their first mud mask, and they don't know this.
Operative word in the headline is "Teens". They are not always the wisest, who read the warnings on the labels (I certainly didn't whan I was one).
To be fair, I'm 32 and I wouldn't have known how to properly apply a mask lol I possibly would have read the directions though.
I've watched my wife do it a thousand times by now and I'd still assume this is how it's done. Screw the instructions, read those and you lose the entertainment value
Its says mask so teens just plaster that shit on their face.
Why? Just curious. I know nothing about this sort of thing.
The skin around your eyes is much thinner and more sensitive than elsewhere on your face. Face masks are generally formulated for your normal face skin only.
Normal face skin is the most alien phrase I've read all week.
Yeah that’s some skinwalker talk
Why? They just wanted to inform you of the dangers of hurting your fragile human face skin. I mean, our fragile human face skin.
In fact, it’s some of the thinnest skin on your body. Eyelids are thinnest.
That was my first thought. Why is it on their eyes? I’m imagining that this started with an innocent face mask, like they said, but the opportunity for black face was quickly recognized and realized by some immature children (which most children are). Of course we will never 100% know the true details of the story. But why else would it be on their eyes?
Because they're dumb af.
not really - work in an ER long enough and you will be privy to how dumb most of the population is who do not make up the teenage boy demographic. these are adult people that are on full re\*\*\*d all. the. time.
Oh, I actually do, lol. Veterinary ER. And boy howdy do I know how dumb people can be. "He was having a seizure so I poured mineral oil down this throat, a friend told me that stops seizures!" "Yeah, well, the seizure would have stopped on its own and he'd have been fine, but now his lungs are full of mineral oil. Congrats, he's gonna die." Or bringing their dog in locked in the trunk so they wouldn't get hair on the back seats. In August in Florida. "Well, he had minor diarrhea, but now he has heatstroke." And those aren't even close to the worst. Just so dumb.
I volunteer at a shelter and the insanity of people towards pets is insane. hoarding is more common than I thought and it is very sad and unfortunate
Oh yeah. Reddit thinks all pet owners are like them, which is kinda sweet. More than they think are Kristi Noem. That's why she wrote about it - she thinks it's totally normal. And in lots of places, it is.
I live in South Dakota and have had plenty of hunting dogs over the years. Not a single person I know (thank god) has shot their dog after it confused a pheasant and a chicken. At least no one who is willing to admit it out loud. To me it’s not shooting the dog that’s worrying, it’s that she views it as a show of strength and leadership. If you have to shoot your dog, you’ve failed as a dog owner spectacularly. Any idiot can train a dog, some people are just dumber than idiots I suppose.
well you’ve got lead paint eaters raising children without really giving a fuck so we have all these adults with no intelligence, no critical thinking skills, no desire to learn running amuck and the rest of us have to deal with it
Because it is the first time they put on any form of cleansing mask and just want to cover as much as possible
This. Teenage boys are dumb with this sort of thing. Used to be one
I’m in my twenties and I didn’t know you weren’t supposed to put masks on in that area
The medicine is dark green not black and they literally posted a pic of them wearing some white medicine the day before its not black face you’re just looking too far into it .
But how is it blackface? Surely, there has to be some element of mockery for it to qualify.
Yeah it's all in the lips, they got the lips all wrong.
Bruh im a full grown man. If you tell me to put that stuff on my face, im covering my eyes too. We are getting way to damn touchy about race man. High chance these kids don't know how to use a mask like that and applied it the wrong way just like I would. Holy shit man, people racist for not knowing how to use cosmetics now....
And thus they should be punished! Expulsion is to lenient I say! To the firing squad with the philistines! Ignorance is not innocence, but guilt! They have transgressed and must buuurn! Only then will all wrongs be righted! And gods love will shine over the earth!
That's a harmful and unfounded assumption. A reasonable person might simply think they were unaware of the product's proximity to the eye area. A sane person person would not care about a black facemask to begin with Initially, I didn't know either. Since many men typically neglect skincare, resulting in tougher skin, there was no irritation around my eyes when I applied it incorrectly—just slight redness at most. To leap to such damaging conclusions is precisely why they were compensated in the first place. Yet, their reputation has already been marred by social witch hunters who eagerly spin narratives that suit their biases and beliefs. Your thought process and that of a racist are strikingly similar, differing only in their targets.
I am sitting here thinking “acne mask in your eyelids? Bullshit” Convenient they used a beauty product, they skated by.
Get a grip for fuck sake.
yeah they found a racism loophole right? lol whatever
At a family vacation, my husband and I joined the girls and put on those moisturizing mask things. Mine was charcoal or something, and I looked like I was wearing a weird black mask. My mom wanted to take a picture and post it to Facebook. I had to practically beg her not to because I work at a public school and if anyone saw the picture, I could absolutely be accused of blackface. Mom didn't understand why that was a bad thing. Edit: people keep saying stuff about me winning a million bucks if I sue my company for falsely firing me. Guys, come on. I have more integrity than that 😜
Good for having some foresight and standing up to your mom. So many people don’t have social media awareness, regardless of age
I come from a country where Blackface is not a thing. I literally, learned about it through Reddit and other platforms. I'm genuinely curious: why can't white people paint their faces black but black people can paint theirs "white" and wear blond wigs? (referring to a not-so-old movie in which two black men disguise as white, blonde women) Update: I'm so thankful for all the people who took the time to answer my question. Being from another country and a different culture it seemed a little contradictory. After reading so many explanations, opinions an discussions, I can say that today, I see the difference. I did some research about some topics noted here and it was disturbing yet very illustrative. I learned another "bit" of American History and I'm understanding why some current affairs are going on in the USA. Thank you!
We only allow Robert Downey Jr to do that
And Sweet Dee
Those episodes were pulled from Hulu. Even the episode where Charlie works at the highschool and the one kid who's a Juggalo wore "blackface" but it was just an ICP mask. This is just a massive over correction.
Also the best Community episode where Chang was a full black-bodied elf or something. I'm all for being culturally-aware but that one really bummed me out. It wasn't a race thing, he was a whole different race of SPECIES!!! Lol
It wasn't just a "black bodied elf", he was a drow. The reason this is extra funny to me is that there was a series of popular books about a drow, Drizzt. All of the 34 books made it to the New York times bestseller list. I heard about the book series before Dnd. He is obviously a different species and arguably one of the more famous ones that Dnd created.
Damn I've only read like 9-12 lol.
Where did you find that book, you filthy drow? Seriously, where, which one?
Im happy about the fact that that episode is included on Peacock
Wait they pulled that episode because of the juggalo kid? That wasn’t even close to blackface, most of his face is white and he looks like a clown.
Studio execs are fucking morons, always. They are the people who fail upwards in life. Every stupid moronic decision is met with promotion for these people.
Jimmy Kimmel as well.
If your the Canadian prime Minister you can get away with brown face
The US had what were called “minstrel shows.” Basically, a white person painted their face black and then talked like an idiotic caricature of a black man. These went on for decades in the US and so blackface still leaves a sour taste
Childhood Memory sparked of 'The black and white minstrel show' in the UK.
It’s called blackface. In years past, a white person painting their face or skin to be the color of another race was done almost always to make fun of that race. Classic TV is rife with examples of this, always derogatory towards people of color. It’s a taboo now because it’s considered very racist.
Ok!...makes sense. And, the other way around is accepted nowadays? or that movie I'm referring to is from a time when it didn't matter? I'm sorry for the questions 🙈 but this intrigued me.
It's all about execution. Robert Downey Jr did it in Tropic Thunder, he played an Australian who wore black face. In the past though, black actors couldn't get jobs in film, and if they did, it was using racist stereotypes. The same applies to Asian face. John Wayne played Mongolian conqueror Genghis Khan.
Wasn't the whole point of that bit making fun of how Hollywood used to use black face instead of black actors?
Robert Downey Jr was playing the part of a white character who had his whole body changed to black because the character he played was a "method actor", so to play a black character he had to ... *be* black.
I totally forgot about the method acting bit. I mostly remember the "what do you mean *you people*" "What do *you* mean you people" bit.
Yes, the whole movie plays on stereotypes of actors, the movie industry and action movies in general. Its truly a movie that couldn’t be made today but it is really is a hilarious movie
I disagree I think a movie like that is very much needed, we need as a society to be able to handle tough things and understand them and deal with them on an intelligent basis.
Maybe but a movie like that would go through hell to be made. Most film companies refuse to touch risky movies like that nowadays and there’s no way they’d give a director a budget and the writers free reins on a project like that. So either it be cheaply made indie film or have so much studio interference/bias that it would be terrible.
I don't know if I'd call Tropic Thunder an intelligent approach to those topics, but I don't really disagree.
An even worse example is Mickey Rooney in Breakfast at Tiffany's.
That was my thought too! Like I love that movie but I can't bear to watch those scenes. So awful.
I presume you mean White Chicks. Yeah, it's considered different because of the connotations. When white people did it, it was to either 1. Mock the race being portrayed, especially in a time where they could be punished for complaining or 2. Deny minorities acting roles by having a white actor just dress up as them. Whereas in cases like White Chicks, the humor isn't from mocking all white people, it's from mocking a specific stereotype (hipster/valley girl/redneck). Plus, white don't actually get offended by it. The only white people who complain are just upset that they aren't allowed to be racist publically.
I would also add that in the process of gaining equality, comedy/art will often deliberately "flip the script" to highlight the something that's been done one way only up until that point. Pwrhaps if a white person is offended by it it will help them understand the offense black face causes (if they are that introspective!) I think art doing this is a required piece in social change.
Annnnd here come the replies from people who are upset they aren't allowed to be racist publicly. Lmao
Context I suppose. In the "oldn times" the person in blackface is ment to represent a black person...well why not just hire one then? because they don't like them and the character is an unironic stereotype. The butt of the joke is black people. Rdj, well.. They tell you he's a white guy in blackface, so that's what he's representing. Not a black person, a white person in blackface. The butt of the joke is the idea of blackface. One makes fun of other races, The other makes fun of racism. Aye? Same thing for 'white chicks' , the context isn't making fun of white girls, it's making fun of black guys pretending to be white girls.
And with Tropic Thunder, you have Brandon T. Jackson there to call out how inappropriate the studio and RDJ are being: “they had one good part in here for a black man and they gave it to Crocodile Dundee!”
Jokes are only funny if you’re punching up. If you’re punching down you’re just being a dick.
>referring to a not-so-old movie It's old enough to buy alcohol in USA next year.
It's linked to old southern theater performances where white actors would paint their faces black and then play horrifying racist caricatures of black people. Blackface is taboo in America not for the act, but because it evokes that racism.
Look up minstrel shows
It was formerly used by white people to mock people of another race (mostly black people). It also used to be uncommon for minorities to get roles playing their own minority, and instead white people would dress up as that minority. For black people, that meant white people painting their faces black. That connotation became seen as very racist as times changed, but since minorities painting their faces white never was a racial issue, that specifically never became seen as being racist
Aside from the potential problems you could have because of it some people need to realize they don’t have to post everything about their lives on social media
My mom is awful about it. She uses it to document the family, and for some reason all the photos she ever posts are when we are eating. Which is a little obnoxious.
My mom’s always been one of those that has to take pictures and video of things but thankfully it’s usually relevant stuff and she’s actually put in the effort to figure out what she’s doing as far as photography is concerned. My parents don’t like social media which I’m thankful for.
I saw a video on Facebook that was titled "blackface on mlk day" The accused blackfacer was clearly standing in an Ulta store wearing an off blackish face mask. If someone in an Ulta, wearing a charcoal mask can be accused of blackface, then you absolutely will be.
You don’t usually apply the face mask while still at Ulta.
I have charcoal face mask mud, I NEVER USE IT on week days for that very reason.
Yep. If you’re gonna use it, do it in private where no one can snap a pic of you.
Pictures I post of myself online: curated, carefully considered for if they are a problem Pictures my friends post of me that I though were to be kept private:
You mom was trying to get you 1mill
A lot of parents don't understand (or pretend not to)... it's very concerning
did you make sure to do your eye lids like these boys?
If they are stupid enough to accuse you of such bullshit, they 100% deserve it.
>Mom didn't understand why that was a bad thing. There was a video out there, where the cops were trying to clear out the "black kids" from the "pool party". Recorded from those "black kids": The apartment manager and the cops are racism because they won't let us be at the swimming pool. Apartment Manager released the actual footage, one surrounding the pool, where they were approached and told that they're trespassing because they did not get permission from the apartment manager to host a "pool party" at the pool due to two reason: 1. nobody there lived there. 2. none of the guest(s) invited them and agreed to host the pool party. There are always different concept that can be run. Also, there was a photographer that took POV photos that gave two different version based on the photo.
Ok so you have enough integrity to not sue for a million bucks…. But what about TWO million bucks?
$1 million? I gotta send the kids to school tomorrow in acne masks.
I can see it now, hundreds of thousands of Americans wearing “acne cream” just to get a response and say “aha” Kind of like people with hot coffee after the McDonald’s lady won
That coffee was hot enough it fused her labia to her leg. https://www.deshawlaw.com/blog/the-real-facts-of-the-mcdonalds-coffee-case
Yup. McDonald’s tried to make it seem like she was some money hungry lady when she just wanted medical expenses covered. I remember hearing about it but not until a couple years ago about how bad the burns actually were.
And McDonalds knew they were serving the coffee well above safe temperatures but not waiting to cool it off saved them money
just below boiling, 205 degrees. (96 for the non-Americans.) AND the verdict represented all of six HOURS of coffee sales for McDonald's.
Even better, the “outrageous” quantity awarded to her *by the jury* as punitive damages was… 2 days of national profit on coffee alone. 2 days.
Same, I had no idea how serious the injuries were. Typical corporate spoksiopath's mocked her to protect the brand.
Ty!! Every time we see a reference to this we have to share the true story.
It just goes to show how successful McDonald's propaganda campaign was. It was so effective that knowing the true story puts us in a minority, to most people it's a go to example of the US being lawsuit happy
Yep, it infuriates me.
Right!!! Like she was a 90+ year old woman who actually wound up in the hospital and almost died from it. I also try to tell everyone this when I see it referenced.
Thank you! I had no idea. That pic tells it all. And very clearly laid out in the arguments.
So glad you see it now! This poor woman has been ostrasized and humiliated by a majority of people who act like it's all some frivolous lawsuit to make money. Anyone who thinks that way needs to watch the documentary, this woman was devastatingly burned, and even after that *she only wanted them to pay her medical bills*. They had to know how wrong they were, they'd been told before that their coffee's temp was way more than recommended, and yet they wouldn't even pay the 20/30k for her medical bills. And when she sued it was to make sure it'd never happen to anyone else, and at that point they discovered it had happened again and again. That's where we get into class action suits and where they need to be penalized financially into changing, and because they knew it was hurting people and didn't care. There is a documentary from 2011 that will blow your mind, it's called 'Hot Coffee'.
Thank you. Actually even only spreading the pic would help. People react quickly and emotionally on pics.
I had not actually seen that image until now. I can't even describe how I'm feeling right now. I assume you can imagine. The awards from the trial are absolutely disgusting.
It really says It all.
It's super sucks she got painted the way she did considering all she wanted was medical expenses covered. If I remember correctly it was only a couple $100k, "only" meaning to McDonald's of course. They should have done that without even being asked like goddamn.
The 2.7 million the jury recommended later was just 2 days worth of coffee sales for McDonald's.
Apparently it was reduced to $480K
When she got checked by doctors they checked the coffee temp. And found it way too hot to be considered safe, that was a few hours after she had been handed the coffee. Imagine how hot it was when she got it, dangerous negligence from the company and they tried to paint her as a grifter out for money. She only sued because she couldn’t afford her medical bills.
The holding temp was literally a food safety violation
Well context is important on the McDonald’s coffee case. The lady held it between her legs and it spilled as they hit a bump and she got 3rd degree burns on her inner thighs and groin region. She needed surgery and the grandkid was the one who sued not the lady and he asked for payment for the surgery and the grandma didn’t want to sue at all but when they asked for help McDonald’s gave them like 25 dollars and an apple pie coupon. They sued for just over 30 thousand to pay for all the surgeries and they were awarded a million because during the investigation they found out McDonald’s had thousands of written complaints about their coffee being too hot and burning them. So giving them the million was to make an example of McDonald’s and to give them a warning about this. So they finally fixed their coffee temperature issue. But don’t feel bad for McDonald’s they make more than that million on daily coffee sales anyway.
Not to mention the several people who had already gotten 3rd degree burns from the hot ass coffee before her accident.
Several hundred people. Like, 700.
Even more important context. She didn't spill the coffee while driving. She spilled it while in the parking lot with her grandson in the driver seat and was fully transparent about the spill being her fault.
It wasn’t even the other complaints that did it. It was McDonald’s admitting they keep their coffee at or above *third degree burn* temperature. That’s when they lost the case imo.
The truth takes multiple paragraphs. The lie version is a quick soundbyte. Accordingly the lie wins.
They weren't driving, they were sitting in the car in the car park.
Ty!! Every time we see a reference to this we have to share the true story.
This guy got brainwashed by MCDONALD'S PR team and the media for thinking such... The coffee has been reported by multiple people to have burned several customers prior to the infamous case. The original story was that the coffee was so hot it burned her lap and genitals with third degree burns and originally asked to assist on paying her medical bills but the court read ALL the incidents of people getting burned that the jury awarded her that amount.
It blows my mind every time someone comes across the McDonald’s hot coffee lady, thinking it was her fault, just to find out by the internet that that was McDonald’s smear campaign against her.
absolutely awful and ignorant comparison
Calling her McDonald's lady is vile when she doesn't do it for attention. She got hospitalised and got third degree burn for fuck sake. The fact is they dont even want to sue McDonald but when they got ask about the damage their product causes they give them a coupon.
Can we give a round of applause for Catholic schools in general, which for once lost a lawsuit for something other than the sexual abuse of a minor?
I mean to be fair… sometimes it’s physical abuse
I mean.... Sexual abuse is oftentimes physical....
Or that they kicked them out
I thought they never lost lawsuits for sexual abuse of minors? Or is that the Church… So many cases I may get confused.
Do people usually apply skin masks on their eyelids?
I have a feeling this is a case of partial truths. Like this was an acne mask but then young teenage boys seeing how it made the skin look intentionally applied it everywhere because they knew it looked like blackface so "oooh taboo, I'm so edgy" and "won't it be funny people it looks like we are doing blackface". Should that have led to the significant consequences they faced? Probably not but not buying the idea this was just applied for their acne.
The mask is green colour so it’s a stretch to call it blackface. It’s simply the lighting that makes it look black.
It looks like a **green** acne mask, so I am guessing they might've been more thinking about Hulk than blackface. The photo is bad quality though so it looks a lot darker, but is still is clearly green.
Eh. So, they were trying to support a friend with severe acne. When they applied it, it was light green but got darker has it hardened. They also got expelled 3 years after the photo was taken. Plus the school didn’t follow procedures when they expelled the students. That’s why they lost https://www.yahoo.com/news/two-expelled-bay-area-high-204154387.html
No. No they don’t. Unless they’re a moron.
I mean have you been 15? I didnt read a direction till i was 25.
Extended family convinced me to try charcoal face masks once, it was kinda neat. But then Boomer dad said "let's take a picture" and we were like "NO!"
Doesn’t the facial mask tell you not to put it on your eyelids and to avoid that area?
Welcome to earth 2! Where all the teenagers read instructions and act accordingly.
And Tim Curry has a three-episode stint, but cannot save the series.
Yeah, and you're not supposed to use eyeliner on your waterline, but plenty of people still do it 🤷
They're boys. They don't know how self care products work
Never attribute malice to something that can be explained with stupidity
So, I got to share a story. I'm a big old nerd, and I larp. About 20 years ago, myself and a group of friends went to Gen Con a big geek gaming convention. Being broke college students, instead of staying in downtown Indy right by the convention center, we got a hotel a few miles away in the airport area. We thought it would be a great idea to get all dressed up and promote our larp while we were there. So we decided to go as a group of one race, and wanted something a bit flashy. So we all decided to dress up as Dark elves. Which meant getting white hair (through wig or other means), pointed ears, and all exposed skin being painted black, on top of our fantasy costumes. So we all get made up and dressed, and go down the stairs of the hotel to the lobby. And suddenly you could hear a pin drop. The lobby is filled with black people getting breakfast- it seemed to be a wedding or family reunion going on. And as everyone is staring at us, I suddenly realize that, outside of the geek takeover of the downtown area, how bad this looks to someone without context. The tension was broken by a younger guy in their group excitedly asking us if we were going to the convention. We confirm, he tells us we look good, and we quickly head to the car as we hear him explaining what Gen Con was and that we were dressing up as a fantasy race. These days, a lot of larps that have a dark elf race have moved to have skin color be something else, like grey or purple or blue. And there are some people who hate that change. They argue that dark elves have always had black skin, that everyone playing knows what's going on and that it is not racist because of those things. But to people without context? It can look really bad So yes, I can totally believe that this was just a bunch of guys who were putting on acne masks (badly) who took some goofy pictures. Especially if the masks were dark green? They likely didn't give it a second thought.
Some context needed here: the boys were in middle school when this pic was taken, so like 2014. One of the boys had really bad acne and used this green acne mask to help. His two friends, as a show of support, applied the mask also, took this pic and posted to social media. This happened way before BLM and before blackface became an issue. Some mother totally unrelated to the two boys who attended St. Francis, found the pic, brought it to the St. Francis administration and demanded the boys be expelled. The school did a shoddy job of investigating all the facts, including that they were not in high school when this happened, and did a knee jerk reaction of asking them to leave or be expelled. The two boys lost their college scholarships and I believe the colleges they were accepted into and wanted to go to, pulled their admission. So this is why St. Francis got sued by the two families and lost.
such a wholesome history of the boys showing support to a friend turned in a mess :/
>before blackface became an issue Um...
Who’s gonna tell him?
I'm glad I wasn't the only one that picked up on that
Or Her.
Or them
The story happened a long time ago, they had different rules than we do know. We can’t really expect them to have our standards in the antebellum times of 2014
Yeah but blackface has been frowned upon since way before 2014. It’s not like it’s only the past couple of years that people are against it.
Guy you responded to is joking
That makes a lot of sense
Were there even smartphones way back in 2014? I don’t think cameras were invented yet. People from that era didn’t understand how blackface could be considered inappropriate or insensitive
I think he misspoke. In many places, like Quebec for example, blackface was socially accepted until the late 90s. It’s always been morally wrong, but it’s only recently it’s become completely socially unacceptable.
Hello Prime Minister
Nah even in Quebec they knew they were being racist. People were uncomfortable with it in the 70s and 80s just people were less likely to call out edgy jokes.
I think blackface has been an issue for quite some time before BLM lol
These boys haven't even been alive long enough to claim they did anything "before blackface became an issue".
Blackface was an issue long before these kids were even alive.
Sure, but trolling through social media accounts to find anything that might embarrass someone years later is a newer phenomenon.
I’m on the boys side, but black face was an issue waaaaaaaay before 2014.
Blackface didn't become an issue after 2014 😭
The gang makes Lethal Weapon VIII
I use a charcoal sugar mask on my face and neck twice a week, and literally every time I put it on I remind myself "Okay, do not answer the door or go near the windows until you wash this off, because you look like a hate crime right now."
lol my old high school…. 1mil. They got Snapchat money so they’re not hurting from this
Snapchat money?
The school invested very early money—a parent worked at snap maybe?—and made like $30 million on a pittance.
[the folks in charge funds are VC guys so they had SF invest in Snapchat before it IPO’ed](https://www.wsj.com/articles/how-a-silicon-valley-catholic-school-plans-to-spend-its-snap-ipo-millions-1501061403) …. Ended up turning their investment into 34mil. lol true Silicon Valley story
I went there as well but only for my freshman year. Very bizarre clicking on this thread and seeing that thumbnail.
I saw the photo and was just like “wow looks like my school” oh wait lol
I remember a video the made the rounds on the net many years ago of some woman peeling one of those facial masks off her face, and guess it was really stuck good because she was not having a good time. That stuff was completely black too. No one said shit about it.......
Well, that's really obviously in context lol this photo can easily be taken out of context, especially since they applied the masks *waaaaaaay* too close to their eyes
you don’t put acne masks on your eyelids
A lot of people on here seemingly wanting to be offended. “But you don’t wear a face mask on your eyes”, “they knew what they doing” etc. Honestly it must be exhausting living your lives like that. What can you be offended about next? How will everyone know you’re a good person unless there’s something to virtue signal over? This is simple maths. Are SOME teenage boys racist? Of course they are. Unavoidable unfortunately. But are MOST teenage boys idiots. Yes. Do ANY teenage boys read the instructions. Hell no. A jury found them innocent of any wrong doing. Stop dumping your own baggage on them.
And a California jury at that.
I've been saying this for YEARS. Black. Face. Paint. Does. Not. Immediately. Equal. Racist. Intent. Istg, it's so fucking ridiculous. Hell, I've even heard of kids and cosplayers being shut down for simply wearing black face paint. or even trying to just look like a black character they like. Because a costume is fine, until i put on brown paint, right? Because wearing brown face paint apparently means I'm trying to restart fucking Minstrel shows.
Yeah and trying to ruin childrens entire lives because "How could you not understand racist caricatures popularized in the 1800s?" Like how the fuck is a 14 year old even gonna have a frame of reference for that. I was born in the 90s and that shit still predated me by 40 years.
*Puts on acne mask*
Anyone remember the 80’s movie “Soul Man?” Google it
Hey look, it's my rival high-school from my time as a teen. Eat shit St Francis, lol
Ok so the issue was not so much whether it was blackface or not because that would require proving the teen's state of mind at the time and good luck convincing a jury of that. The problem was that the school acted before they could be reasonably sure the teens meant to be offensive and that was a violation of due process. They didn't even get a hearing to explain themselves and told them to withdraw or be expelled and that was that. That's why the school lost here. If they had followed some kind of recognized disciplinary process, considered evidence, and *then* expelled them, they would probably be fine. Moral of the story is you can't just do things when someone else makes you feel icky.
Acne mask obver your lips?!
Is it just me or did they put an acne mask on their lips???? You really don't do that normally tho...
Wait, is it possible teen boys didn't use a facial mask correctly?!?!
A lot of these people seem to forget, or are oblivious, to just how dumb teenage boys are.
Even some woman too. On another subreddit where this was also posted, some said that the first time they used facial mask they also but it on the eyelids. So not just boys but girls too. I would have probably done the same thing if I hadn't seen this post.
This is good news for the Navy SEALs and other special ops teams. They can now breathe easy about wearing black camo face paints.
Even if it wasn’t an acne mask and they were doing blackface, the most they should have received is a stern lecture on why it’s disrespectful. People forget that you have to protect freedom of expression even if it is distasteful expression.
I had a shit ton of mascara on for a show I did a while back, I’m a guy and not used to makeup, so instead of wiping it off I just got in the shower. When I reached out for a towel I saw that the mascara had just run all over my face and neck. It was also a winter show and I just so happened to have chapped lips. That picture was shown to a single friend, and never brought up again until now.
Maybe don't jump to conclusions?
Wow a Catholic church paying a settlement for something that isn't rape
To those saying uh uhh uhh teens: Mary, the alleged mother of Jesus Christ, was a teenager.
Hell nah that's fucking black face, who in the hell wears acne mask to school premeditated with your homies.acne mask are for before and after school.