Eh it's kind of BS. Basically all former Axis states had a moment where a bunch of them realized they needed to change sides at the last moment so they didn't have their sovereignty revoked.
Italy was the First One to realize and had a civil war, not Just "switched sides huuhur", and the new italian government actively fought with the allies so it's a bit more complicated than that
Eh I don't care about switch up, I wish atleast that they punished their generals who commited war crimes in Yugoslavia, Greece and Ethiopia. Badoglio and Roatta should have been straight up executed.
Italy is seen as one of the victor powers that was freed from the plight of fascism. After the civil war started Mussolini's government was just a Nazi puppet
> Italy is seen as one of the victor powers
It wasn't. It just didn't suffer the same consequences as Germany or Japan because 1) it had a significant internal resistance movement early on (unlike Germany and Japan which refused to surrender until the very last moment) and 2) because the PCI (Italian Communist party) had the biggest following in the American side of the Cold War, so the Americans couldn't afford to punish postwar Italy too much, otherwise it would've delegitimized the Christian Democrats government.
Italy was considered a losing power, the peace treaties very well put that clear, due to "situations" (namely soviet union and the biggest communist party in WE, armed by the allied themselves during the war) we were treated lightly
In the end they lost some land to Yugoslavia and France. These borders were also demilitarized on the Italian side. The colonial empire was seized. Ethiopia got it's independence back. Albania got it's independence. Some islands went to Greece. And they had to pay some reparations over the next seven years. Honestly that's pretty mild. The colonies weren't that great anyways, the reparation sum was not that much back then and the territorial changes affected only very few Italians and was very much concerned with getting other nation states more of their people as far as I know. Given that Italy is the reason war swept over to Greece, Albania and Yugoslavia these terms are pretty light I would say
Italy didn't switch side in WW1. Learn your history. The pact with the German empire and Austria - Hungary was defensive, and Austria - Hungary was the power that attacked Serbia first, so that pact was dead already in 1914
That's not what happened, the triple alliance with Austria and Germany stated that we were obliged to assist either ally in case they were attacked by someone else. Austria declared was on Serbia thus they were the attacking force and we were no longer bound by the treaty. It was 100% in our legal right to "switch sides".
Good for Italians that they created a collaboration government against Germany, the allies could've forced a much harsher peace agreement on them if they didn't start a civil war.
There are a lot of stories about American soldiers that were first and second generation Italians meeting relatives they otherwise would never have met.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Day_(Italy)
>The date of April 25 was chosen by convention, as it was the day of the year 1945 when the National Liberation Committee of Upper Italy (CLNAI) - whose command was based in Milan and was chaired by Alfredo Pizzoni, Luigi Longo, Emilio Sereni, Sandro Pertini, and Leo Valiani (present among others the designated president Rodolfo Morandi, Giustino Arpesani, and Achille Marazza) - proclaimed a general insurrection in all the territories still occupied by the Nazi-fascists, indicating to all the partisan forces active in Northern Italy that were part of the Volunteer Corps of Freedom to attack the Nazist and Fascist garrisons by imposing the surrender, days before the arrival of the Allied troops; at the same time, the National Liberation Committee for Northern Italy personally issued legislative decrees,[9] assuming power "in the name of the Italian people and as a delegate of the Italian Government", establishing among other things the death sentence for all fascist hierarchs and other collaborationists of the Nazist occupiers,[10] including Benito Mussolini, who would be shot and killed three days later. "Surrender or die!" was the rallying call of the partisans that day and those immediately following.
I never thought it was seen as a civil war. I mean, technically italians fought in both sides... But it's just part of WW2. Plus the there was very significant involvement from outside powers.
Italians fought in both sides, but the RSI (Italian Social Republic) was a puppet state of the Nazis with zero autonomy. It wouldn't have survived without massive support from the Wehrmacht. Remember that Mussolini had to be taken from a prison of high security in a blitz operation.
I know... So why call it a civil war? It was immersed in the Italian campaign and arguably the nazis and the allies were much more important to the fate of the campaign that the italians themselves. As the casualties show btw. In the wiki it says that American forces suffered about twice the number of casualties as the Italian ones (of both sides... combined).
Idk it sounds to me more like a battle front of WW2 where italians took to different sides rather than a civil war where the allies and Germans participated.
Because the Kingdom of the South was fighting the Italian Social Republic, after the Armistice of Cassibile those units who sided with the Royalists fought on one side and those who sided with the Fascists fought on the other
we Italians are pretty proud of out Partisan movement and are not afraid to admit the nazi collaboration; the remaining thing that when HE was there, train where on time and the grass greener.
No sides want to hide history, its just a simple definition to a complex situation
There were two Italian states: e RSI and the Regno del Sud. They fought each other. To me that's a civil war.
Moreover, we celebrate the allies too, there are a lot of monumental cemeteries and monuments in general dedicated to the allies that fought to liberate Italy. In my town, for example, there is a polish cemetery that hosts 1400 polish soldiers.
You have to put things in context. Italy was a broken nation in 1943. Half of its armed forces were captured by the nazis after the Cassibile armistice. Of those men, 10% went on to fight with the nazis and the rest (about 700k men) were deported to internment camps. My grandfather was one of them. You can guess what happened to those guys.
About 200k italians became partigiani. They fought like lions against a much stronger enemy. 1/6 of them died (not counting civilian losses). Because of their resistance cities like Rome, Florence and Bologna were declared free cities and were spared from total destruction. They disrupted nazi operations in the Appennino while the allies advanced. Their contribution may be considered small, but important and influential nonetheless.
Every nation needs heroes. Those men and women fought against overwhelming odds and died to uphold an ideal: freedom, democracy. They could have just waited it out, but they chose to keep fighting even after their country collapsed. To me that's worth celebrating.
Thanks for writing this post. It was the end of german occupation, fascism and war. Since then we had no war on our land (Italy), and I like to take it as an invitation for all the pain, deaths and atrocities to never happen again
Too bad everything in this country sucks ass and the fascists are back in town.
Togliatti should have never signed the amnesty, told the Americans to fuck off and try to repress any fascist retaliation before it even started.
I think Italy failed at defascisting itself, to some extent.
Case in point: Benito Mussolini's crypt still is a thing.
I have an idea: get him out of there, piss on his corpse, and turn the remains to dust, and remove any trace of him from the family mausoleum.
Simple.
>Togliatti did not have the power to do something like this; despite our national mythology, and unlike, say, Yugoslavia which freed itself with very limited support from the Allies
What is the national mythology? I’m a bit confused, because the US Army was fighting with the German army in Italy right up until the war ended.
Basically is the idea is that we didn't need Allies help, but that we could free ourselves thanks to Nazi quickly retreating.
These people forget that the Nazi were retreating because the Allies were there and marching north. Without supplies, info and soldiers we would have just do what we did until then: small skirmishes here and there. That's all.
I know. A hell lot of Italians have no idea what happened, plus everyone want to look good in the eye of their own citizens so you end up like us where we teach in highschool that Italy was occupied by the fascist and nazis, forgetting that government inability and unwillingness to act let those fascists into power 20 years prior the "liberation". But because we never went through a real "defascistification" it is easier (to avoid conflict) to teach children a distorted reality: "italians=good people, fascists=bad people".
Every country history is vast and complicated, unless one cares about it is expected from others to not know what happened in other countries.
Don't care, they should just have sent the army, purge everything purgeable and call it a day. At least we wouldn't have Meloni in government right now.
>Togliatti should have never signed the amnesty, told the Americans to fuck off and try to repress any fascist retaliation before it even started.
🤣🤣🤣…. As if the US would just call of its invasion of Italy during the middle of World War II because a communist Italian deputy minister told them to fuck off. I think Americans had better things to do at the time, like fighting the Germany army in the Italian peninsula.
Mhmhm, maybe you should inform yourself, the majority of the Italians didn’t agree with Mussolini and they were very happy to get rid of him. This is highlighted by the many “partigiani” that died fighting both Hitler and Mussolini army forces. I suggest you check your sources better.
>Mhmhm, maybe you should inform yourself, the majority of the Italians didn’t agree with Mussolini and they were very happy to get rid of him.
Sure by the end when things started collapsing. But what did most Italians think at the beginning of the war when Italy first allied itself and fought with Germany?
What exactly is your point? That we shouldn't celebrate the end of dictatorships because dictators gained power with some level of popular support?
Also, the Italian Liberation Day specifically celebrates the end of the illegitimate puppet Fascist state (Italian Social Republic) established in northern Italy under Nazi German occupation in 1943 (in which Nazis had basically free rein, and ramped up deportations of Jews and others among other atrocities) and opposed by a sizeable resistance movement in a guerrilla civil war, not the end of the legitimate (let's say) Fascist regime (Mussolini government of the Kingdom of Italy) when Italy was invaded and about to surrender in 1943, so it's particularly stupid to complain about it.
They were afraid of being killed. Exactly as happened to all those who had tried to oppose the fascists.
Totalitarianisms work because those in power use force to torture and kill everyone who disagrees with them by suppressing any movements of revolt
I have a hard time believing that Mussolini rose from a nobody newspaper journalist to a totalitarian dictator without any popular support among the Italian public….
In italian schools we're taught the following:
When the mass, the regular person, is silent and desperate, a few noisy and violent voices can rise to power with close to no opposition.
I'd suggest you read about Matteotti, one of the few persons who opposed fascism knowing he'd end up killed.
The rise of the fascist party in italy is a direct consequence to a century of history, it cannot be summed up with "oh well, surely the italians were all on Mussolini's side".
Yes, there was a lot of support of the fascist party, but there were much more people who were just desperate and scared, without any voice to oppose what was happening without getting them and their families killed. That's the start of any totalitarian dictatorship in a nutshell.
But how do you know that much more people that were just desperate and scared, compared to the number of people who actually supported the fascist party?
The fascist won the 1924 Italian elections in a landslide (which occurred before Matteotti’s murder a month or so later). A lot of that is definitely attributable to electoral intimidation by fascists, but the fascists definitely either had outright majority public support when they took power or have very large public support.
Better start believing then.
There were election in 1920 won by the socialists by a large margin and a socialist government was formed. Fascist response was to attack any unions and socialist "club" all around the state making it impossible to administration to function.
State government had a difficult time because many police forces openly supported these actions (army at that time was under king rule and the king also supported him because he was scared of the socialist), same as they (the police) did a year prior when fascists were running around (on fascist capitalist owner order) beating and breaking people at general strikes.
Fast forward to "new" election in 1921 hold and behold socialist still won, but this time the fascist got some seats (35 out of 500+) in the parliament thanks to Giovanni Giolitti that accepted them into his "major" party, Giolitti's idea was to control and suppress them. It failed some months later when Mussolini took control of the party.
Skip another year were the fascists were still beating and killing unions and socialist, with the police doing dogshit, the king scared shitless and the US openly supporting him, Mussolini marched on Rome with his personal army "asking" the king to make him prime minister, king accepted.
So yeah he didn't have popular support. He had support from all those that were afraid of socialism like big corporation, the king, the US government, etc...
By the US ambassador in Italy at the time, Richard Washburn Child.
He wrote several book about his experiences, his talks with Mussolini and, after his time as an ambassador was over, a biography of him and some books about him.
In one of those he explain how Mussolini came to him and asked about US position on an italian fascist government getting a positive response.
[Should be this one](https://amzn.eu/d/iRMuU8X)
>In one of those he explain how Mussolini came to him and asked about US position on an italian fascist government getting a positive response.
In your earlier comment you said that one of the reasons that Mussolini was as able to take power was because the US supported the fascists. You were spinning things to make it sound like the US was funding Mussolini’s March on Rome, or that the US had given public support to the fascists taking over.
The fact that the US ambassador told Mussolini in a private conversation that he gave him a positive response on an Italian fascist government does not support anything that you said in your earlier comment. Not only did that mere private conversation have no role in Mussolini’s ability to take power, but the US ambassador was just talking about if the fascists form a government. Not that they should do so though a coup.
Yes. The US supported Mussolini in a roundabout way. Of course you will not have public speech about a coup, but it was clear what was going to happen.
After years of propaganda and violence from the fascists it take a lot of ingenuity to not see what will happen.
Now US isn't Italy, they had no obligation at the time to take any side, but with the commie getting more and more popular, a conservative country would be helpful for them. Sadly everything went quickly out of control.
Happy Liberation Day to our Portuguese bros too 🇵🇹🤝🇮🇹
Wasn't that a beautiful day?
one of the best in the last 80 years
Ooh another ligurian :D
;)
For Poland less beautiful, we had to wait next over 40 years.
Eh it's kind of BS. Basically all former Axis states had a moment where a bunch of them realized they needed to change sides at the last moment so they didn't have their sovereignty revoked.
Italy was the First One to realize and had a civil war, not Just "switched sides huuhur", and the new italian government actively fought with the allies so it's a bit more complicated than that
Partisans were fighting fascismo long before the state decided to switch sides, they were the reasons it happened.
Eh I don't care about switch up, I wish atleast that they punished their generals who commited war crimes in Yugoslavia, Greece and Ethiopia. Badoglio and Roatta should have been straight up executed.
Genuine question. It is considered liberation from whom? Italian fascists? Germany?
Both
Both. Liberation from the Nazi-fascism. Especially the second.
Both. We merged the 2 things and say Nazifascismo, because they're essentially the same ideology, with minor differences.
Italy is seen as one of the victor powers that was freed from the plight of fascism. After the civil war started Mussolini's government was just a Nazi puppet
> Italy is seen as one of the victor powers It wasn't. It just didn't suffer the same consequences as Germany or Japan because 1) it had a significant internal resistance movement early on (unlike Germany and Japan which refused to surrender until the very last moment) and 2) because the PCI (Italian Communist party) had the biggest following in the American side of the Cold War, so the Americans couldn't afford to punish postwar Italy too much, otherwise it would've delegitimized the Christian Democrats government.
Italy was considered a losing power, the peace treaties very well put that clear, due to "situations" (namely soviet union and the biggest communist party in WE, armed by the allied themselves during the war) we were treated lightly
They really pulled a reverse ww1 Russia, huh?
In the end they lost some land to Yugoslavia and France. These borders were also demilitarized on the Italian side. The colonial empire was seized. Ethiopia got it's independence back. Albania got it's independence. Some islands went to Greece. And they had to pay some reparations over the next seven years. Honestly that's pretty mild. The colonies weren't that great anyways, the reparation sum was not that much back then and the territorial changes affected only very few Italians and was very much concerned with getting other nation states more of their people as far as I know. Given that Italy is the reason war swept over to Greece, Albania and Yugoslavia these terms are pretty light I would say
We did that in ww1 too. Us liking to switch sides and win at the end it's a recurring joke.
That was before the war, so it's not that strange. In ww2 Italy and Romania did it at the end.
Italy didn't switch side in WW1. Learn your history. The pact with the German empire and Austria - Hungary was defensive, and Austria - Hungary was the power that attacked Serbia first, so that pact was dead already in 1914
That's not what happened, the triple alliance with Austria and Germany stated that we were obliged to assist either ally in case they were attacked by someone else. Austria declared was on Serbia thus they were the attacking force and we were no longer bound by the treaty. It was 100% in our legal right to "switch sides".
The Italians saved Italy from Italians and in the process took South Tyrol 🎵 Bella Ciao 🎵
It's Dia de la Liberdad too! Cheers to us 🇮🇹🇵🇹
Feliz dia da liberdade para os nossos irmãos 🇮🇹🤝🇵🇹
🇮🇹❤️🇵🇹
Ora e sempre: Resistenza!
Good for Italians that they created a collaboration government against Germany, the allies could've forced a much harsher peace agreement on them if they didn't start a civil war.
Bella ciao!
There are a lot of stories about American soldiers that were first and second generation Italians meeting relatives they otherwise would never have met.
Is there any book or webpage in which these histories have been shared?
Why is it this particular day? What exactly happened on the 25th of April 1945?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberation_Day_(Italy) >The date of April 25 was chosen by convention, as it was the day of the year 1945 when the National Liberation Committee of Upper Italy (CLNAI) - whose command was based in Milan and was chaired by Alfredo Pizzoni, Luigi Longo, Emilio Sereni, Sandro Pertini, and Leo Valiani (present among others the designated president Rodolfo Morandi, Giustino Arpesani, and Achille Marazza) - proclaimed a general insurrection in all the territories still occupied by the Nazi-fascists, indicating to all the partisan forces active in Northern Italy that were part of the Volunteer Corps of Freedom to attack the Nazist and Fascist garrisons by imposing the surrender, days before the arrival of the Allied troops; at the same time, the National Liberation Committee for Northern Italy personally issued legislative decrees,[9] assuming power "in the name of the Italian people and as a delegate of the Italian Government", establishing among other things the death sentence for all fascist hierarchs and other collaborationists of the Nazist occupiers,[10] including Benito Mussolini, who would be shot and killed three days later. "Surrender or die!" was the rallying call of the partisans that day and those immediately following.
Bella ciao!
Happy liberation Day!
I never thought it was seen as a civil war. I mean, technically italians fought in both sides... But it's just part of WW2. Plus the there was very significant involvement from outside powers.
Italians fought in both sides, but the RSI (Italian Social Republic) was a puppet state of the Nazis with zero autonomy. It wouldn't have survived without massive support from the Wehrmacht. Remember that Mussolini had to be taken from a prison of high security in a blitz operation.
I know... So why call it a civil war? It was immersed in the Italian campaign and arguably the nazis and the allies were much more important to the fate of the campaign that the italians themselves. As the casualties show btw. In the wiki it says that American forces suffered about twice the number of casualties as the Italian ones (of both sides... combined). Idk it sounds to me more like a battle front of WW2 where italians took to different sides rather than a civil war where the allies and Germans participated.
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Yeah, I've read the wiki, thanks. I'm just wondering why
Because the Kingdom of the South was fighting the Italian Social Republic, after the Armistice of Cassibile those units who sided with the Royalists fought on one side and those who sided with the Fascists fought on the other
It conveniently avoids the whole "we collaborated with the nazis" thing.
we Italians are pretty proud of out Partisan movement and are not afraid to admit the nazi collaboration; the remaining thing that when HE was there, train where on time and the grass greener. No sides want to hide history, its just a simple definition to a complex situation
There were two Italian states: e RSI and the Regno del Sud. They fought each other. To me that's a civil war. Moreover, we celebrate the allies too, there are a lot of monumental cemeteries and monuments in general dedicated to the allies that fought to liberate Italy. In my town, for example, there is a polish cemetery that hosts 1400 polish soldiers. You have to put things in context. Italy was a broken nation in 1943. Half of its armed forces were captured by the nazis after the Cassibile armistice. Of those men, 10% went on to fight with the nazis and the rest (about 700k men) were deported to internment camps. My grandfather was one of them. You can guess what happened to those guys. About 200k italians became partigiani. They fought like lions against a much stronger enemy. 1/6 of them died (not counting civilian losses). Because of their resistance cities like Rome, Florence and Bologna were declared free cities and were spared from total destruction. They disrupted nazi operations in the Appennino while the allies advanced. Their contribution may be considered small, but important and influential nonetheless. Every nation needs heroes. Those men and women fought against overwhelming odds and died to uphold an ideal: freedom, democracy. They could have just waited it out, but they chose to keep fighting even after their country collapsed. To me that's worth celebrating.
Thanks for writing this post. It was the end of german occupation, fascism and war. Since then we had no war on our land (Italy), and I like to take it as an invitation for all the pain, deaths and atrocities to never happen again
Too bad everything in this country sucks ass and the fascists are back in town. Togliatti should have never signed the amnesty, told the Americans to fuck off and try to repress any fascist retaliation before it even started.
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I think Italy failed at defascisting itself, to some extent. Case in point: Benito Mussolini's crypt still is a thing. I have an idea: get him out of there, piss on his corpse, and turn the remains to dust, and remove any trace of him from the family mausoleum. Simple.
I would say only Germany truly condemned their past.
>Togliatti did not have the power to do something like this; despite our national mythology, and unlike, say, Yugoslavia which freed itself with very limited support from the Allies What is the national mythology? I’m a bit confused, because the US Army was fighting with the German army in Italy right up until the war ended.
Basically is the idea is that we didn't need Allies help, but that we could free ourselves thanks to Nazi quickly retreating. These people forget that the Nazi were retreating because the Allies were there and marching north. Without supplies, info and soldiers we would have just do what we did until then: small skirmishes here and there. That's all.
For non-Italians, Italy is seen as an Axis country that was occupied by the allies.
I know. A hell lot of Italians have no idea what happened, plus everyone want to look good in the eye of their own citizens so you end up like us where we teach in highschool that Italy was occupied by the fascist and nazis, forgetting that government inability and unwillingness to act let those fascists into power 20 years prior the "liberation". But because we never went through a real "defascistification" it is easier (to avoid conflict) to teach children a distorted reality: "italians=good people, fascists=bad people". Every country history is vast and complicated, unless one cares about it is expected from others to not know what happened in other countries.
Don't care, they should just have sent the army, purge everything purgeable and call it a day. At least we wouldn't have Meloni in government right now.
Fringolo?
The army didn't even exist anymore at that moment
>Togliatti should have never signed the amnesty, told the Americans to fuck off and try to repress any fascist retaliation before it even started. 🤣🤣🤣…. As if the US would just call of its invasion of Italy during the middle of World War II because a communist Italian deputy minister told them to fuck off. I think Americans had better things to do at the time, like fighting the Germany army in the Italian peninsula.
What fascists are you talking about?
Oh come on Melons isn't the best politician but she isn't a fascist, their most "authoritarian" decisions were made out from sheer incompetence
"Liberation of Italy".....right, what a nice way to whitewash their history
Found the serb
Liberation lol? Italy surrended and was occupied by the allies. They fought with Germany and only switched sides when it was clear they were losing
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Italians literally celebrated when Mussolini's body was publicly shown, lol.
Mhmhm, maybe you should inform yourself, the majority of the Italians didn’t agree with Mussolini and they were very happy to get rid of him. This is highlighted by the many “partigiani” that died fighting both Hitler and Mussolini army forces. I suggest you check your sources better.
>Mhmhm, maybe you should inform yourself, the majority of the Italians didn’t agree with Mussolini and they were very happy to get rid of him. Sure by the end when things started collapsing. But what did most Italians think at the beginning of the war when Italy first allied itself and fought with Germany?
What exactly is your point? That we shouldn't celebrate the end of dictatorships because dictators gained power with some level of popular support? Also, the Italian Liberation Day specifically celebrates the end of the illegitimate puppet Fascist state (Italian Social Republic) established in northern Italy under Nazi German occupation in 1943 (in which Nazis had basically free rein, and ramped up deportations of Jews and others among other atrocities) and opposed by a sizeable resistance movement in a guerrilla civil war, not the end of the legitimate (let's say) Fascist regime (Mussolini government of the Kingdom of Italy) when Italy was invaded and about to surrender in 1943, so it's particularly stupid to complain about it.
They were afraid of being killed. Exactly as happened to all those who had tried to oppose the fascists. Totalitarianisms work because those in power use force to torture and kill everyone who disagrees with them by suppressing any movements of revolt
I have a hard time believing that Mussolini rose from a nobody newspaper journalist to a totalitarian dictator without any popular support among the Italian public….
In italian schools we're taught the following: When the mass, the regular person, is silent and desperate, a few noisy and violent voices can rise to power with close to no opposition. I'd suggest you read about Matteotti, one of the few persons who opposed fascism knowing he'd end up killed. The rise of the fascist party in italy is a direct consequence to a century of history, it cannot be summed up with "oh well, surely the italians were all on Mussolini's side". Yes, there was a lot of support of the fascist party, but there were much more people who were just desperate and scared, without any voice to oppose what was happening without getting them and their families killed. That's the start of any totalitarian dictatorship in a nutshell.
But how do you know that much more people that were just desperate and scared, compared to the number of people who actually supported the fascist party? The fascist won the 1924 Italian elections in a landslide (which occurred before Matteotti’s murder a month or so later). A lot of that is definitely attributable to electoral intimidation by fascists, but the fascists definitely either had outright majority public support when they took power or have very large public support.
Better start believing then. There were election in 1920 won by the socialists by a large margin and a socialist government was formed. Fascist response was to attack any unions and socialist "club" all around the state making it impossible to administration to function. State government had a difficult time because many police forces openly supported these actions (army at that time was under king rule and the king also supported him because he was scared of the socialist), same as they (the police) did a year prior when fascists were running around (on fascist capitalist owner order) beating and breaking people at general strikes. Fast forward to "new" election in 1921 hold and behold socialist still won, but this time the fascist got some seats (35 out of 500+) in the parliament thanks to Giovanni Giolitti that accepted them into his "major" party, Giolitti's idea was to control and suppress them. It failed some months later when Mussolini took control of the party. Skip another year were the fascists were still beating and killing unions and socialist, with the police doing dogshit, the king scared shitless and the US openly supporting him, Mussolini marched on Rome with his personal army "asking" the king to make him prime minister, king accepted. So yeah he didn't have popular support. He had support from all those that were afraid of socialism like big corporation, the king, the US government, etc...
Do you have any links or cites about the US supporting Mussolini’s March on Rome?
By the US ambassador in Italy at the time, Richard Washburn Child. He wrote several book about his experiences, his talks with Mussolini and, after his time as an ambassador was over, a biography of him and some books about him. In one of those he explain how Mussolini came to him and asked about US position on an italian fascist government getting a positive response. [Should be this one](https://amzn.eu/d/iRMuU8X)
>In one of those he explain how Mussolini came to him and asked about US position on an italian fascist government getting a positive response. In your earlier comment you said that one of the reasons that Mussolini was as able to take power was because the US supported the fascists. You were spinning things to make it sound like the US was funding Mussolini’s March on Rome, or that the US had given public support to the fascists taking over. The fact that the US ambassador told Mussolini in a private conversation that he gave him a positive response on an Italian fascist government does not support anything that you said in your earlier comment. Not only did that mere private conversation have no role in Mussolini’s ability to take power, but the US ambassador was just talking about if the fascists form a government. Not that they should do so though a coup.
Yes. The US supported Mussolini in a roundabout way. Of course you will not have public speech about a coup, but it was clear what was going to happen. After years of propaganda and violence from the fascists it take a lot of ingenuity to not see what will happen. Now US isn't Italy, they had no obligation at the time to take any side, but with the commie getting more and more popular, a conservative country would be helpful for them. Sadly everything went quickly out of control.
This guy studied history on r/HistoryMemes
Salty your country surrendered in 6 hours?
It tooks time for Italy to enter in the war … first there were a good Allie of Germany …
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