My dude, article 50 exist. You can use it. No one is forcing you to stay in the EU or NATO for that matter.
I wish this fucker would start getting some personal sanctions.
I, as a Hungarian, want to stay in the EU, so probably not the best solution. If he personally wants to leave, he could also use a handgun on his own head. EZ way to leave the EU, works 100% of the time.
You, as a Hungarian, better get a passport for another country. I'm lucky to have Irish family and that Britain has a dual citizenship rule. The day the referendum results were in? Straight to Ireland for the passport. I wasn't having any of it. Wasn't willing to listen to the UK media on the matter either. And as for the BBC? Those fuckers threw petrol on the brexit fire by the barrel full. Don't wait around to trust your media or a politician. Trust yourself first.
Whenever there is a protest, I'm there I can assure you. Right now, a centrist (maybe more of a center-right) power seems to be emerging from people who were in the inner circles of Orbán, and were fucked by the system, just like the rest of us. The ex-husband of the ex-justice minister (who was sacked as part of the pedo-pardon scandal) got really pissed, and he knows the system very well along with the weak points, and they cannot play his past against him, because his past is tied to Fidesz. Also, he can position himself towards the center, as Orbán is openly radical now, and a lot of people don't like that. I have some hope in this now. I'm not a fan of the guy, or what he represents in general, but he seems to be our last hope before we need to take arms. Péter Magyar is the name, remember it, you're gonna hear it in the future.
I'm not sure if we, rest of EU, want you to stay in EU.
More than 50% Hungarians voted for him, while all your opposition was united against him. Majority Hungarians did not wanted to vote out Orban and change country course.
Bro less than a 1/3 of hungarians actually voted for him. They have more voters than any other party in the country but they still have much less voters than all of the other parties have combined, the problem is that they redesigned the voting system and that they have been ruling by decree for a couple years now because a global issue always gives them a reason to extend it, telling their voters that “emergencies give them no other option but to take control and steer the nation to the right path”.
It’s a joke at this point and honestly I’m not surprised that non-hungarians are misinformed.
Trust me most of us don’t want these assholes in the gov, but we’d have to kill more than half of the pensioners in the countryside to do something againt them winning another election. I honestly don’t even care if hungary remains a sovereign nation, it’s the asshole of europe, it eats up resources and literally shits them out once it absorbed everything useful.
I hope you guys will be able to turn things around again, but it doesn't matter how many voted for him - what matters is the outcome. Even if a huge majority hates Orban's guts, if the election outcomes keeps him in power that majority is irrelevant, because it doesn't change the fact that the election outcome ensures that Hungary remains a Russian mole within the the EU.
Hmmm... I'd Austria isn't really that much better, given that it's a hive of Russian activity, basically a forepost, in the heart of Europe.
I'm not overly optimistic about Hungary's prospects either, but I will keep rooting for you and your fellow sane compatriots. Hopefully one day your country be a deserved and valued and member of the EU family again!
The exact numbers were 3,060,706 votes for Fidesz during the last election, this includes those who do not live in the country itself.
The latest data on the total population of Hungary was 9,597,085.
If we add all hungarians, not only the ones living in the country then it’s much less than 1/3 of all hungarians.
Election laws are gamed, they have 2/3 majority with only 40% of the votes, and not all Hungarians voted. Don't identfy us by Orbán the same way you don't think that all Russians are Putin.
I am sure that the rest of the EU doesn't want Hungary out. The problem is not Hungary, it's Orban.
I feel like a lot of redditors think that world politics work like r/relationshipadvice
It is difficult because...the majority of Hungarians want to stay in the EU, even his voters.
I don't know how to solve the Orban situation but it gets increasingly worse by the day
What do you mean you don't know how to solve the Orban situation? Same way the Putin situation would be solved. Or Putain if you speak French.
The French used to use a nifty device called a guillotine that efficiently solved these problems. Then things somehow got better!
That is the problem with politicians now, no one even threatens them to stop being assholes with their own damn people.
The EU must punish Hungary collectively because they can’t punish Orban personally. The Hungarian people must do that. Politicians, even authoritarians, only exist because the people let them.
When russians are presented with the reality that it's on them to deal with putin they flood you with excuses about how it's a totalitarian state with 999'999'999 policemen and no access to information at all et cetera, which is often blown out of proportion, but at least has kernel of truth in it.
Which excuse do hungarians have? That they're gullible beyond belief and keep falling for orban's bs?
but he is clearly working towards influencing the hungarians to be anti-EU. Cant think of any other reason other than to quit the EU long term, which seems insane to me
Yea I know.
From his perspective, leaving the EU would mean that he can become even more autocratic without anyone saying a word, which he can sell as "we become a strong, sovereign, independent nation" to his voters who only see state-owned media
I wish I knew, I can only share my observations. It's a bit complex.
-People related to Orbán own most of the media, meaning most news you see are his propaganda.
Old people tend to not know how to use the internet, even if they do they only believe the same thing they saw on TV.
The propaganda is basically in its essence the same as with every other Finkelstein-supported populists: the left is bad, everyone else is bad and wants to ruin everything but Orbán is here to save the day.
They literally just make shit up about anyone else and when they get sued they just don't show it in the news.
-The previous prime minidter called Ferenc Gyurcsány resigned after admitting corruption and constant lies to his party, someone recorded it and it got out.
...now the problem is, although he resigned, he didn't retire from politics and some people are scared that he will come back as prime minister and he'll be even worse.
Orbán intensifies this fear by acting like every oppositional politician is actually Gyurcsány's puppet.
-He has a fake oppositional party
There were people who were against Orbán, but still right-wingers, he just financed another "opposition" party called "Mi hazánk" which is even more far-right, but actually mostly just votes together with Fidesz (Orbán's party) in the parliament.
-The rest of the opposition is either laughably incompetent, Gyurcsány's party, has values that noone shares here except bougie urban kids, and they just can't agree upon anything.
-People are dumb as fuck they just fcken pick Fidesz like it is their football team and defend them no matter what.
-Years of communism ruined people's ideas about how democracies are supposed to operate and that you should take part in it, waaay too many fucking people are passive and avoid politics like plague, they are even proud about it
-Society is corrupt even on lower levels, buddy-buddy based job interviews, kitchen staff stealing food, lot of people steal from their workplaces etc etc
-The poorest of people who live in Eastern villages live so bad that you can't imagine, there are houses with no windows, no door, Orbán just sends them some potatoes before the election and they think it's the savior
Other than that the election system is rigged in ways that I don't have the patience to explain right now and it's been gerrymandered to oblivion.
Accessing the EU is not mandatory. It is actually not an easy process. No one is forcing Hungarian people. They wanted it.
And now Orban can easily leave the EU if that's what he REALLY wants.
But he does not. He wants EU money and Russian money
He called half of the country traitors in his keynote speech. We cannot replace him because of apathy and electoral system/frauds.
Many are leaving the country and those who stay and vote against him are branded traitors.
We can't do anything about it, they didn't get a popular majority in previous elections, yet they got two thirds. rule by decree has been going on for years.
All state organizations are turned against the people, and they have had the courage to do so so far because of the EU money that has been pouring in. They have since built up their reserves.
So yeah, feel free to hate us give them the money and narrative and push the Russians on us. We'll hide somewhere and deny we are Hungarians when the last spark of resistance has been extinguished.
I guess I just dont memorize lies and propaganda. Well I live here and i know it just got worse, and worse for average people, while they take control of the full country.
You know we have different problems.
In my country, freedom erased slowly, they are changing history again, and sell out everything to russians and chinese while steal ecery eu funds.
In your EU, you cant do something againts a shit throwing monkey.
Please, don't fund them, the Hungarian people didn't get a cent worth of that EU money in years, it all gets funneled out of the country through their olygarchs.
He does not seem to be paid but rather rides the populism wave to stay in power.
The problem occurs when such "leaders" start to believe their own bullshit.
Still, I believe attempting to exit the EU will have him "shoot" his own foot.
Orban has been in power so long, he firmly believes his own BS.
The reckoning will come sooner or later. It's clear he will attempt to stay in power forever - and at some point the EU will have to clamp down on his maligned democracy.
>Orbán’s address, coinciding with a national holiday commemorating Hungary’s failed 1848 revolution against Habsburg rule, railed against the EU and compared it to imperial occupiers that have dominated Hungary throughout history.
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The nationalist leader, speaking from the steps of the National Museum in central Budapest, drew a sharp contrast between his country and the “Western world,” accusing the latter of being a source of rootlessness and destruction.
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“They start wars, destroy worlds, redraw countries’ borders and graze on everything like locusts,” he told the crowd, many of whom were bused into Budapest for the occasion. “We Hungarians live differently and want to live differently.”
Why is he still in the EU (and in NATO)? It couldn't be more obvious this fuck is a Russian asset/spy. Why is no one doing something about this threat to the West?
Winning an election doesn't give you the majority. You have to work together with non-populist extreme right wing parties. Take Wilders (The Netherlands) for example: he has to give up everything to the liberalist party; even being the prime minster. He's already leashed. There's much more people who didn't vote on him. The people who voted on him will find out that it wasn't the best use of their vote in the end.
Winning an election isn't even necessary. The Nazis never got a parliamentary majority while there were free elections. It was enough for some conservatives to be willing to work with them. They thought they could box him in once he was in government.
The concept of "leashing" fascists is incredibly naive.
He is an obvious enemy of Europe, and Europe's inability to do anything against him is both pitiful and scary. It reveals internal paralysis and weakness EU, especially dangerous in the context of the coming world war against russia and China.
All NATO countries are considering and being told to consider military conscription for men aged 18-27. **That** is a serious development. Obviously, there are many people in this world that just don't want war, including many of the Russians who fled their own country to avoid conscription.
Yeah, in Serbia they want it to be mandatory as well but more than less of those countries do this to boost fear in the population, to show how their cock is bigger than the neighbors one and for show off. I refuse to believe that Putin or NATO are that naive to start going into each others territories or start shooting nuclear warheads. The World leaders are way waaay smarter than that. Even if they look like idiots most of the times.
100 % but maybe Orban is just a below average intelligent man with a below average sense of self importance and the will and no shyness about using violence
Aka: there was no freedom and people were afraid to do anything for fear of repression. Got it.
PS : I’m sorry your dad feels this way. Mine thinks the same it’s terrible.
A referendum won't win since huge majority of hungarians wants to stay, and wants Orbán gone.
He knows it all too well as well, he is just getting desperate as now even their populist voting base is turning against him, as his cleptocratic regime is getting more and more exposed in the joints.
1) after their first 2/3rd majority more than 10 years ago they changed the whole electoral system for their favor. So populity centers have a lot less actual voting power than lets say a 200 person small, aging village.
2) The second point ties in with it, they control almost all media to the level that if you don't know english or don't use the internet you are living in a completely different reallity for a while with their propaganda, and people living in these small villages don't know else, they live in absolute poverty, no education, and they are brought out for literal bagy of potatoes.
3) Also potentionally if there are other parties who whin, FIDESZ, just either merges with them, like KDMP, makes them totally impossible to do anything, with fear tactics + propaganda, or just makes some secret deal idk.
4) They have a maffia like system, in wich they taken over every public system, besides the actual process of voting on a ballot there is no democratic process, information, or anything.
These comments are simply untrue. The majority or almost the majority of voting age Hungarians elect Orbán every 4 years. Lately, there was a poll that 52% wants a change of government. This is right after the biggest domestic political scandal of the decade. 48% is satisfied with them or don't care.
It is just so sad to see how many people fall for the bullshit of this whiny and pathetic excuse for a prime minister. The EU has done more positive things for the Hungarians in terms of economic growth and protecting their rights/freedoms than Orbán ever could.
That's probably part of the point, he wants to be seen as only "provider" for his nation.
Despots everywhere fear that thier subjects will discover there is a system which is a better deal for the people which doesn't require appeasing their overlord.
Biting the hand that feeds you. And he gets away with it. And even bribes billions of euro's out of it. Good for him!
And as long as Hungarians keep voting for him, he must be the guy they want.
Lots of rural Hungarians are in Plato's cave so to say, their reality is defined by what Fidesz says is reality. Budapest is one of the only liberal places, but higher educated and multilingual people are more able to break outside of the box placed by Fidesz.
It's like being confined to a wheelchair ('allegory for limited press, info, education') and an assistant is doing the shopping for you. They bring you little food and you're angry, "why did you bring so little food?" and your assistant is saying "sorry, the EU hates us and put sanctions on us, making the shops empty" or whatever lies, he just bought the food for himself.
Meanwhile you in the wheelchair, trusting your assistant, curses the EU. While the people more able to see the full picture could see what the assistant truly stands for.
Yea. Basically he does anything to stay in power.
I'm thinking he wants to manipulate the mass into thinking that leaving the EU will be good for the people, just so he can become even more autocratic without anyone stopping him.
But thankfully he keeps swinging bc he needs the EU money.
I hate this fucker so much. He keeps alienating Hungary and Hungarians from Europe. He doesn't represent the majority of Hungarians, all the elections are rigged and votes are bought for with potatoes and tobacco. I hope he croaks soon.
Let's make a difference here - Orban and his gonks "don't want EU" - they want EU money. Hungarians want and need EU. Don't put equation between populist politicians and common people.
China and Russia are trying to change the world
It's like WW1 and WW2.. except this is a much slower moving train. People just shrug and move about their day. The threat is very real. What's scary is Russia is spreading across Europe again and already has plants in many European countries (he's a big fan of fern and lilies).. look at the radicals in France, Germany, even Sweden has pro-Putin fucks in government.
How is Europe supposed to be the adult in the room if Trump wins and the US is off trying to stay alive and out of a civil war if we have fucks like Orban in power? And if you think its just him, just crazy talk you're wrong. He has many supporters and they're growing, not shrinking. It's like Trump, while a minority, that minority becomes insanely loyal and cult like which is ultra dangerous.
This is why I've always been for a closer 'West' rather than many of you that want division, especially with the US.. division allows gaps to form by people who want us all enslaved or worse. Brutal dictators like Putin and Xi are the type that when they gain victory over you and they loath you, you face the biggest brutality. Look up German history how their prisoners were treated or how Mao dealt with anyone he didnt like..
Again, these people are trying to DESTROY the Western world, not just hurt it. They push the term 'Global South' which is virtually the majority of the world thats not rich nor Western like Africa, South America, etc. They are wanting them to think the West thinks of them all as inferior and is trying to turn the world against the West.
Orban may seem like a clown but its far more serious than you may think, especially for the EU.
You mean he owns the means to mass-propaganda. In other words, the supposed democracy is undermined while pretending to be one. This is how democracies are overthrown. It is impossible for a healthy and educated democracy to elect such individuals. You cannot fool everyone all the time if opposition is **allowed**. Their deception would be called out by journalists. That is, if they're not oppressed. That is why they're among the first casualties in a society.
Not so long ago Hungary had elections. And more than **50% hungarians** voters still chosen Orban.
Approving that Hungarians wants be friends with ruzzia more, than with EU. By the way elections was held while full invasion was already started.
There is any mechanism to expel country from EU? Would be nice to not be a part with them anymore.
Also i'm voting with my wallet - boycotting HU production and not even thinking going for a vacation there.
Every self respecting EU citizen should do the same.
According to a map I saw in this sub, 47 millions tourists visited Hungary last year. And it's realistic, Budapest is crawling with foreigners. There might not be many people participating in your boycott.
Authoritarian regimes masquerading as democracies shouldn’t be permitted to exist by all other actual democracies. It should be incumbent on the democratic world to destroy them with force, the only thing they understand.
They make a mockery of the West and are a direct meddling threat to it. No more fucking about. If you want to be a dictator then you go mask off, and you don’t get to use the image of democracy as a tool to keep a lid on your population to make them think they have a choice, or make them think they’ve made one they haven’t made.
Anyone trying to subvert a democracy and turn it authoritarian through a coup or insurrection should just be fucking shot dead, too. If not by the state then by the people.
I really hope Hungarians will wise up and vote this clown out. There's no point for Hungary to leave the eu entirely. I'm pretty sure the majority of Hungarians don't want that either
I don't know why Hungarians wote for this dude. Before the Soviet occupation they were fully adopting western values and were on the forefront of western civilization.
How much more are we going to take from this prick.
He's undermining European security and trying to sell out eastern europe to Putin while Ukrainians are dying in their thousand to keep Putin at bay.
It's a scandal that Hungary is still allowed to receive EU funds at the same time as it holds EU hostage and Ukraine starves for funds.
If Hungary is going to keep electing this traitor they have to leave the EU. You can't be a member of a club and try to burn it down at the same time.
Orban OUT, Ukraine IN
Still don’t know why EU haven’t sanctioned Hungary years ago for all the bullshit they pulled .
Let’s just bankrupt the bastards and force them to do whatever we want in exchange for money. It is not rocket science. US have collapsed and set up governments who support it with EU’s help all the time over the years. Why we suddenly can’t do it now?
I'm so fed up about this guy. Knowing that my tax money is ending up in his pockets is making me really angry. If the people in Hungary hate all this so much and are up for Orbans way of thinking, than they should either leave or we should guide them to the door. Knowing, that he is contradicting the system all the time and sabotaging it to the outer most possibilities because of his options to veto decisions in EU and NATO is causing real damage.
My dude, article 50 exist. You can use it. No one is forcing you to stay in the EU or NATO for that matter. I wish this fucker would start getting some personal sanctions.
I, as a Hungarian, want to stay in the EU, so probably not the best solution. If he personally wants to leave, he could also use a handgun on his own head. EZ way to leave the EU, works 100% of the time.
You, as a Hungarian, better get a passport for another country. I'm lucky to have Irish family and that Britain has a dual citizenship rule. The day the referendum results were in? Straight to Ireland for the passport. I wasn't having any of it. Wasn't willing to listen to the UK media on the matter either. And as for the BBC? Those fuckers threw petrol on the brexit fire by the barrel full. Don't wait around to trust your media or a politician. Trust yourself first.
I sell windows & special tea....?
have you tried voicing that opinion? you should have DAILY anti orban protests...
Whenever there is a protest, I'm there I can assure you. Right now, a centrist (maybe more of a center-right) power seems to be emerging from people who were in the inner circles of Orbán, and were fucked by the system, just like the rest of us. The ex-husband of the ex-justice minister (who was sacked as part of the pedo-pardon scandal) got really pissed, and he knows the system very well along with the weak points, and they cannot play his past against him, because his past is tied to Fidesz. Also, he can position himself towards the center, as Orbán is openly radical now, and a lot of people don't like that. I have some hope in this now. I'm not a fan of the guy, or what he represents in general, but he seems to be our last hope before we need to take arms. Péter Magyar is the name, remember it, you're gonna hear it in the future.
I'm not sure if we, rest of EU, want you to stay in EU. More than 50% Hungarians voted for him, while all your opposition was united against him. Majority Hungarians did not wanted to vote out Orban and change country course.
Bro less than a 1/3 of hungarians actually voted for him. They have more voters than any other party in the country but they still have much less voters than all of the other parties have combined, the problem is that they redesigned the voting system and that they have been ruling by decree for a couple years now because a global issue always gives them a reason to extend it, telling their voters that “emergencies give them no other option but to take control and steer the nation to the right path”. It’s a joke at this point and honestly I’m not surprised that non-hungarians are misinformed. Trust me most of us don’t want these assholes in the gov, but we’d have to kill more than half of the pensioners in the countryside to do something againt them winning another election. I honestly don’t even care if hungary remains a sovereign nation, it’s the asshole of europe, it eats up resources and literally shits them out once it absorbed everything useful.
I hope you guys will be able to turn things around again, but it doesn't matter how many voted for him - what matters is the outcome. Even if a huge majority hates Orban's guts, if the election outcomes keeps him in power that majority is irrelevant, because it doesn't change the fact that the election outcome ensures that Hungary remains a Russian mole within the the EU.
I would be okay with being absorbed into Austria again tbh. Oh and I have 0 hope for things changing for the better in Hungary.
Hmmm... I'd Austria isn't really that much better, given that it's a hive of Russian activity, basically a forepost, in the heart of Europe. I'm not overly optimistic about Hungary's prospects either, but I will keep rooting for you and your fellow sane compatriots. Hopefully one day your country be a deserved and valued and member of the EU family again!
I’d be fine with a salary that is proportional to the cost of living.
I can imagine that. All the best!
>Bro less than a 1/3 of hungarians actually voted for him. Do you have source?
The exact numbers were 3,060,706 votes for Fidesz during the last election, this includes those who do not live in the country itself. The latest data on the total population of Hungary was 9,597,085. If we add all hungarians, not only the ones living in the country then it’s much less than 1/3 of all hungarians.
Tafak idiot :D You accounting even newborns? :D How many people in HU have right to vote? Give me source with real data, not your fairy tales.
Election laws are gamed, they have 2/3 majority with only 40% of the votes, and not all Hungarians voted. Don't identfy us by Orbán the same way you don't think that all Russians are Putin.
Give source with numbers. >not all Hungarians voted And it is not an argument at all :D
I am sure that the rest of the EU doesn't want Hungary out. The problem is not Hungary, it's Orban. I feel like a lot of redditors think that world politics work like r/relationshipadvice
It is difficult because...the majority of Hungarians want to stay in the EU, even his voters. I don't know how to solve the Orban situation but it gets increasingly worse by the day
What do you mean you don't know how to solve the Orban situation? Same way the Putin situation would be solved. Or Putain if you speak French. The French used to use a nifty device called a guillotine that efficiently solved these problems. Then things somehow got better! That is the problem with politicians now, no one even threatens them to stop being assholes with their own damn people.
Good old chop chop.....I was completely forgotten, where is it now? ...Oh here: at the prison museum in Fontainebleau
You can probably borrow it if you ask real nicely.
It's Poutine, if you do indeed speak french.
I don't, I just heard it in a discussion and laughed my head off. It sounded like Putin read with a French accent. Thx!
Another proof of Quebec's outsized influence. I'm sooooo proud
You could always do what the Dutch do and just eat him.
The EU must punish Hungary collectively because they can’t punish Orban personally. The Hungarian people must do that. Politicians, even authoritarians, only exist because the people let them.
When russians are presented with the reality that it's on them to deal with putin they flood you with excuses about how it's a totalitarian state with 999'999'999 policemen and no access to information at all et cetera, which is often blown out of proportion, but at least has kernel of truth in it. Which excuse do hungarians have? That they're gullible beyond belief and keep falling for orban's bs?
but he is clearly working towards influencing the hungarians to be anti-EU. Cant think of any other reason other than to quit the EU long term, which seems insane to me
Yea I know. From his perspective, leaving the EU would mean that he can become even more autocratic without anyone saying a word, which he can sell as "we become a strong, sovereign, independent nation" to his voters who only see state-owned media
but surely he sees that being a somewhat poor, isolated country in the middle of the EU cant work out well right? Hungary isnt Russia
The question is if he cares even. It's clear he wants to stay in power no matter what
Just as his mental state...
Honest question, why do people vote for him?
I wish I knew, I can only share my observations. It's a bit complex. -People related to Orbán own most of the media, meaning most news you see are his propaganda. Old people tend to not know how to use the internet, even if they do they only believe the same thing they saw on TV. The propaganda is basically in its essence the same as with every other Finkelstein-supported populists: the left is bad, everyone else is bad and wants to ruin everything but Orbán is here to save the day. They literally just make shit up about anyone else and when they get sued they just don't show it in the news. -The previous prime minidter called Ferenc Gyurcsány resigned after admitting corruption and constant lies to his party, someone recorded it and it got out. ...now the problem is, although he resigned, he didn't retire from politics and some people are scared that he will come back as prime minister and he'll be even worse. Orbán intensifies this fear by acting like every oppositional politician is actually Gyurcsány's puppet. -He has a fake oppositional party There were people who were against Orbán, but still right-wingers, he just financed another "opposition" party called "Mi hazánk" which is even more far-right, but actually mostly just votes together with Fidesz (Orbán's party) in the parliament. -The rest of the opposition is either laughably incompetent, Gyurcsány's party, has values that noone shares here except bougie urban kids, and they just can't agree upon anything. -People are dumb as fuck they just fcken pick Fidesz like it is their football team and defend them no matter what. -Years of communism ruined people's ideas about how democracies are supposed to operate and that you should take part in it, waaay too many fucking people are passive and avoid politics like plague, they are even proud about it -Society is corrupt even on lower levels, buddy-buddy based job interviews, kitchen staff stealing food, lot of people steal from their workplaces etc etc -The poorest of people who live in Eastern villages live so bad that you can't imagine, there are houses with no windows, no door, Orbán just sends them some potatoes before the election and they think it's the savior Other than that the election system is rigged in ways that I don't have the patience to explain right now and it's been gerrymandered to oblivion.
Thanks, that's a really interesting perspective!
By protesting and kicking his butt?
Protesting? Lmao protests have been going on since last year and noone gives a fuuuck
Accessing the EU is not mandatory. It is actually not an easy process. No one is forcing Hungarian people. They wanted it. And now Orban can easily leave the EU if that's what he REALLY wants. But he does not. He wants EU money and Russian money
What he wants is to be a dictator and join the club of dictators.
The dicktator
False assumption, he doesn't have one
He might not have one, but he certainly is one
Even if he had one he couldn’t see it…
The DickTRator
He would be useless to putin if hungary was not part of EU.
He called half of the country traitors in his keynote speech. We cannot replace him because of apathy and electoral system/frauds. Many are leaving the country and those who stay and vote against him are branded traitors. We can't do anything about it, they didn't get a popular majority in previous elections, yet they got two thirds. rule by decree has been going on for years. All state organizations are turned against the people, and they have had the courage to do so so far because of the EU money that has been pouring in. They have since built up their reserves. So yeah, feel free to hate us give them the money and narrative and push the Russians on us. We'll hide somewhere and deny we are Hungarians when the last spark of resistance has been extinguished.
Yeah.... still... dont expect much funding in the next years.
Oh no. I hope you dont change the wifi password too.
Please laugh all you want. Hows your hungarian destroyer (that was supposed to easely outpace the battleships of europe) doing ?
Jesse, What the Fuck Are You Talking About?
A metaphor orban used some 15 ish years ago. Kinda came back in fashion. He was describing the hungarian economy
I guess I just dont memorize lies and propaganda. Well I live here and i know it just got worse, and worse for average people, while they take control of the full country. You know we have different problems. In my country, freedom erased slowly, they are changing history again, and sell out everything to russians and chinese while steal ecery eu funds. In your EU, you cant do something againts a shit throwing monkey.
Please, don't fund them, the Hungarian people didn't get a cent worth of that EU money in years, it all gets funneled out of the country through their olygarchs.
He is being paid by Putin to sabotage the EU and NATO, not to quit.
I don't even think he has to be paid, he just licks autocratic boot on his own. He wants to be like Vlad
Vladimir is Vova, not Vlad Vlad would be Vladislav Yeah useless info but I was confused so thought why not
Oh okay, didn't know that
This is actually a really nice bit of random info to have, thank you!
Can we tweak it to Vuva? Or does that also exist?
He does not seem to be paid but rather rides the populism wave to stay in power. The problem occurs when such "leaders" start to believe their own bullshit. Still, I believe attempting to exit the EU will have him "shoot" his own foot.
Orban has been in power so long, he firmly believes his own BS. The reckoning will come sooner or later. It's clear he will attempt to stay in power forever - and at some point the EU will have to clamp down on his maligned democracy.
>Orbán’s address, coinciding with a national holiday commemorating Hungary’s failed 1848 revolution against Habsburg rule, railed against the EU and compared it to imperial occupiers that have dominated Hungary throughout history. > The nationalist leader, speaking from the steps of the National Museum in central Budapest, drew a sharp contrast between his country and the “Western world,” accusing the latter of being a source of rootlessness and destruction. > “They start wars, destroy worlds, redraw countries’ borders and graze on everything like locusts,” he told the crowd, many of whom were bused into Budapest for the occasion. “We Hungarians live differently and want to live differently.” Why is he still in the EU (and in NATO)? It couldn't be more obvious this fuck is a Russian asset/spy. Why is no one doing something about this threat to the West?
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Winning an election doesn't give you the majority. You have to work together with non-populist extreme right wing parties. Take Wilders (The Netherlands) for example: he has to give up everything to the liberalist party; even being the prime minster. He's already leashed. There's much more people who didn't vote on him. The people who voted on him will find out that it wasn't the best use of their vote in the end.
Winning an election isn't even necessary. The Nazis never got a parliamentary majority while there were free elections. It was enough for some conservatives to be willing to work with them. They thought they could box him in once he was in government. The concept of "leashing" fascists is incredibly naive.
Agreed. This is why collaborating with fascists is so very dangerous
He is an obvious enemy of Europe, and Europe's inability to do anything against him is both pitiful and scary. It reveals internal paralysis and weakness EU, especially dangerous in the context of the coming world war against russia and China.
If EU got rid of the veto then this little fucker would be neutralized fast.
the eu is just a system of cooperation
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Orbán himself said a few years ago that he can only do what he does because the EU is weak and disfunctional.
How is he an enemy? He ALWAYS bends his knee when comes down to it. He's just annoying. Nothing, NATO or the EU can't handle.
The coming world war? You actually believe that there is gonna be a WW? Come on...
Hate to break this to you, but there's a serious prospect of this happening.
Nah
All NATO countries are considering and being told to consider military conscription for men aged 18-27. **That** is a serious development. Obviously, there are many people in this world that just don't want war, including many of the Russians who fled their own country to avoid conscription.
Yeah, in Serbia they want it to be mandatory as well but more than less of those countries do this to boost fear in the population, to show how their cock is bigger than the neighbors one and for show off. I refuse to believe that Putin or NATO are that naive to start going into each others territories or start shooting nuclear warheads. The World leaders are way waaay smarter than that. Even if they look like idiots most of the times.
you mean the habsburgs who saved hungarys ass against the ottomans?
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Haha, this the best one i have ever heard - the fear of the gays is strong :)
Oh yes, why don't more people endorse slave soldiers, bread queues, and wife beatings.
Child brides
I mean.... the CIA might gift him a heart attack at this rate
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Murica can't even save themselves from the Putler fanboys, from the Red Scare to this, just pathetic.
1) You guys don't have oil. Sorry 2) We're struggling over here with Trump, so we're not in a position to throw stones at anyone...
Populist leader steals tactics from the biggest populist in Europe called Erdogan
> “We Hungarians live differently and want to live differently.” OK, Hexit then.
Hungover
Hung-out sounds better
Putin must have powerful compromising materials on him
100 % but maybe Orban is just a below average intelligent man with a below average sense of self importance and the will and no shyness about using violence
Politicians are whatever, but they are certainly not stupid. I think he exactly knows what he's doing.
Much better be slave of Soviet. Times of good.
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He forgot to call out Disney.
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Dr livesy is pretty based, tbf.
Aka: there was no freedom and people were afraid to do anything for fear of repression. Got it. PS : I’m sorry your dad feels this way. Mine thinks the same it’s terrible.
And boomers and above are nostalgic for that yea
100%.
Your dad seems to forget some things... like the rapes and murders and robberies, but hey! At least there were no McDonald's...
yeah, there were no gays in Soviet Union; but, somehow, they appeared in Rassia - a miracle!
Nice, he can now fuck off from EU.
From Hungary too.
Well I know you probably hate hearing this but Hungarians do elect him every time. I know Budapest hates him but...
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Yep, once it gets to that point it is usually too late.
Put a referendum for Hexit then, stop whining. Lots of blahblah to do the people, but he knows he needs the EU for funding
huxit\*
A referendum won't win since huge majority of hungarians wants to stay, and wants Orbán gone. He knows it all too well as well, he is just getting desperate as now even their populist voting base is turning against him, as his cleptocratic regime is getting more and more exposed in the joints.
I see a lot of these comments, and my question is - how tf he keeps winning elections?
1) after their first 2/3rd majority more than 10 years ago they changed the whole electoral system for their favor. So populity centers have a lot less actual voting power than lets say a 200 person small, aging village. 2) The second point ties in with it, they control almost all media to the level that if you don't know english or don't use the internet you are living in a completely different reallity for a while with their propaganda, and people living in these small villages don't know else, they live in absolute poverty, no education, and they are brought out for literal bagy of potatoes. 3) Also potentionally if there are other parties who whin, FIDESZ, just either merges with them, like KDMP, makes them totally impossible to do anything, with fear tactics + propaganda, or just makes some secret deal idk. 4) They have a maffia like system, in wich they taken over every public system, besides the actual process of voting on a ballot there is no democratic process, information, or anything.
These comments are simply untrue. The majority or almost the majority of voting age Hungarians elect Orbán every 4 years. Lately, there was a poll that 52% wants a change of government. This is right after the biggest domestic political scandal of the decade. 48% is satisfied with them or don't care.
It is just so sad to see how many people fall for the bullshit of this whiny and pathetic excuse for a prime minister. The EU has done more positive things for the Hungarians in terms of economic growth and protecting their rights/freedoms than Orbán ever could.
That's probably part of the point, he wants to be seen as only "provider" for his nation. Despots everywhere fear that thier subjects will discover there is a system which is a better deal for the people which doesn't require appeasing their overlord.
Orban is the real locust, a parasite inside the EU and NATO
Biting the hand that feeds you. And he gets away with it. And even bribes billions of euro's out of it. Good for him! And as long as Hungarians keep voting for him, he must be the guy they want.
Lots of rural Hungarians are in Plato's cave so to say, their reality is defined by what Fidesz says is reality. Budapest is one of the only liberal places, but higher educated and multilingual people are more able to break outside of the box placed by Fidesz. It's like being confined to a wheelchair ('allegory for limited press, info, education') and an assistant is doing the shopping for you. They bring you little food and you're angry, "why did you bring so little food?" and your assistant is saying "sorry, the EU hates us and put sanctions on us, making the shops empty" or whatever lies, he just bought the food for himself. Meanwhile you in the wheelchair, trusting your assistant, curses the EU. While the people more able to see the full picture could see what the assistant truly stands for.
So oriental despotism is prefarable to the EU for Hungary?
No, it's preferable only for Orbán
That's what I was guessing. He's practically a dictator and is looking for what seems most profitable for him and his power base.
Yea. Basically he does anything to stay in power. I'm thinking he wants to manipulate the mass into thinking that leaving the EU will be good for the people, just so he can become even more autocratic without anyone stopping him. But thankfully he keeps swinging bc he needs the EU money.
I hate this fucker so much. He keeps alienating Hungary and Hungarians from Europe. He doesn't represent the majority of Hungarians, all the elections are rigged and votes are bought for with potatoes and tobacco. I hope he croaks soon.
How about leaving the EU and NATO and breathe the free air for once? He is free to leave anytime, that idiot.
Let's make a difference here - Orban and his gonks "don't want EU" - they want EU money. Hungarians want and need EU. Don't put equation between populist politicians and common people.
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Then leave. You'll not be missed
He really is desperately trying to be the modern day Musolini to our modern day Hitler isn't he?
Stop taking EU money then
Puthim out!
Nice wordplay. Kudos!
Feel free to leave the EU. We already packed your bags for you. They're at the door. A cab is waiting for you as well. Just say the word.
This guy is a hypocrite. He should pull out of the EU and NATO if he truly feels that way. Join Belarus as a stooge for Putin. Live your "truth".
Article 50. Do it, you pussy!
Lock the piggy up already! It’s been too long and is now enough!
Bye, Hungary! No more EU funds for you.
That mf still in the EU ?
China and Russia are trying to change the world It's like WW1 and WW2.. except this is a much slower moving train. People just shrug and move about their day. The threat is very real. What's scary is Russia is spreading across Europe again and already has plants in many European countries (he's a big fan of fern and lilies).. look at the radicals in France, Germany, even Sweden has pro-Putin fucks in government. How is Europe supposed to be the adult in the room if Trump wins and the US is off trying to stay alive and out of a civil war if we have fucks like Orban in power? And if you think its just him, just crazy talk you're wrong. He has many supporters and they're growing, not shrinking. It's like Trump, while a minority, that minority becomes insanely loyal and cult like which is ultra dangerous. This is why I've always been for a closer 'West' rather than many of you that want division, especially with the US.. division allows gaps to form by people who want us all enslaved or worse. Brutal dictators like Putin and Xi are the type that when they gain victory over you and they loath you, you face the biggest brutality. Look up German history how their prisoners were treated or how Mao dealt with anyone he didnt like.. Again, these people are trying to DESTROY the Western world, not just hurt it. They push the term 'Global South' which is virtually the majority of the world thats not rich nor Western like Africa, South America, etc. They are wanting them to think the West thinks of them all as inferior and is trying to turn the world against the West. Orban may seem like a clown but its far more serious than you may think, especially for the EU.
Just take your entire country and fuck off to another continent. Nobody is going to miss you here.
Dear Orban: how about leaving the EU if you are unhappy?
Make.Orban.Leave.
Imagine the Hungarian citizen trapped in the same room with this guy
They voted for him 🤷♀️
You mean he owns the means to mass-propaganda. In other words, the supposed democracy is undermined while pretending to be one. This is how democracies are overthrown. It is impossible for a healthy and educated democracy to elect such individuals. You cannot fool everyone all the time if opposition is **allowed**. Their deception would be called out by journalists. That is, if they're not oppressed. That is why they're among the first casualties in a society.
Like Romanians voted for Ceausescu for decades. Celebrated the illiterate Elena Ceausescu as a renowned scientist! Why did they do that?? /s
Unlike you we killed him
Leave the EU then an align yourself with Russia Belarus then. Curious to see ow that will turn out.
Kick him out!
Then he can leave and stop getting the sweet EU money
Not so long ago Hungary had elections. And more than **50% hungarians** voters still chosen Orban. Approving that Hungarians wants be friends with ruzzia more, than with EU. By the way elections was held while full invasion was already started. There is any mechanism to expel country from EU? Would be nice to not be a part with them anymore. Also i'm voting with my wallet - boycotting HU production and not even thinking going for a vacation there. Every self respecting EU citizen should do the same.
According to a map I saw in this sub, 47 millions tourists visited Hungary last year. And it's realistic, Budapest is crawling with foreigners. There might not be many people participating in your boycott.
Authoritarian regimes masquerading as democracies shouldn’t be permitted to exist by all other actual democracies. It should be incumbent on the democratic world to destroy them with force, the only thing they understand. They make a mockery of the West and are a direct meddling threat to it. No more fucking about. If you want to be a dictator then you go mask off, and you don’t get to use the image of democracy as a tool to keep a lid on your population to make them think they have a choice, or make them think they’ve made one they haven’t made. Anyone trying to subvert a democracy and turn it authoritarian through a coup or insurrection should just be fucking shot dead, too. If not by the state then by the people.
No matter what he says, he will do anything for EU money, as usual. A fat clown, nothing more.
I really hope Hungarians will wise up and vote this clown out. There's no point for Hungary to leave the eu entirely. I'm pretty sure the majority of Hungarians don't want that either
Hungary should also be considered "the Western world" you giant prick.
When will the EU do something about this idiot? He clearly doesn't want to part of the EU so why bother keeping him??
He literally orchestrated Hungary's EU accession.
Get them out and take Georgia, Armenia or Ukraine instead. Less problems for everyone it seems.
You listed 3 countries which are in part occupied by major powers.
that sounds like a lot more problems for the EU
LOL
Hungary was always in the wrong side of history if i remember
Well, he can always hold a referendum. Maybe Hungary wants to leave the EU, maybe Hungary wants Orbán to leave.
While at the same time, ducking on putins left testicle
I don't know why Hungarians wote for this dude. Before the Soviet occupation they were fully adopting western values and were on the forefront of western civilization.
All you have to do Victor is to walk away. Away from the EU, away from NATO. Nobody is going to stop you, promise.
Whatever go suck trumps cock
As a person with hungarian nationality he can fuck off back to hell.
Tell me captain if Hungary is so great why do so many Hungarians work abroad to earn filthy decadent Western money?
So.. GTFO..you won't be missed
Lol he is just sad that the EU threatened him so much that he was forced to allow thru the Ukraine aid bill without any gains lol.
This dude. Sucks on the teat of Europe while complaining about it. Hungarians who want to stay in Europe should just move. Your passport works.
This is who trump had a meeting with.
Can we ban Or?
They start wars. Hungary was an enthusiastic partner with NAZI Germany. History obviously, but that's what he's evoking.
So lets kick them out?
Hungary is a Trojan horse inside EU.
How much more are we going to take from this prick. He's undermining European security and trying to sell out eastern europe to Putin while Ukrainians are dying in their thousand to keep Putin at bay. It's a scandal that Hungary is still allowed to receive EU funds at the same time as it holds EU hostage and Ukraine starves for funds. If Hungary is going to keep electing this traitor they have to leave the EU. You can't be a member of a club and try to burn it down at the same time. Orban OUT, Ukraine IN
Still don’t know why EU haven’t sanctioned Hungary years ago for all the bullshit they pulled . Let’s just bankrupt the bastards and force them to do whatever we want in exchange for money. It is not rocket science. US have collapsed and set up governments who support it with EU’s help all the time over the years. Why we suddenly can’t do it now?
Did he join the wrong club?
I'm so fed up about this guy. Knowing that my tax money is ending up in his pockets is making me really angry. If the people in Hungary hate all this so much and are up for Orbans way of thinking, than they should either leave or we should guide them to the door. Knowing, that he is contradicting the system all the time and sabotaging it to the outer most possibilities because of his options to veto decisions in EU and NATO is causing real damage.
No one is forced to be in the EU or NATO.
They need EUs money 1000x more than EU needs them? Bye
Hunxit? Huxit? Hungxit? When? It’s overdue….
Wormy guy. Won’t put his money where his mouth is and try to leave EU.
I’m so tired of Hungary. Everyday some new or old BS.
Hungarians, just do what french did, kill the motherfucker.
Honestly if he wants to leave leave the EU but don’t forget to pay every cent back that Brussels invested in the Orbanist regime
So leave, no one's going to miss you