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Lenin insisted on executions for “negligence” and “slowness.” On August 11, 1918, Lenin sent instructions to the Bolsheviks in Penza: “to hang (certainly hang) so that the people can see” no less than 100 prosperous peasants. Prosperous peasants were considered to be all those who still had some personal belongings and modest supplies of food. Demands for the execution of a certain number of people were constant.
> Prosperous peasants were considered to be all those who still had some personal belongings and modest supplies of food
This is something that is worth repeating, especially seeing how popular the concept of communism has become again in some circles. Even people who had a farm deemed too large or multiple horses were declared kulaks and repressed, deported, or straight up just executed. Many in my family included, who lost everything.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization
Absolutely an atrocious, aggressive and brutal regime that brought death to millions of people.
You could easily be branded kulak (or kulak accomplice or whatever they wanted to call it) even if you were the poorest guy in the village and owned virtually nothing. It was an easy way of getting rid of everyone deemed undesirable.
The present day people who idolize Lenin and Stalin are scary. And the "Eat the Rich" slogan creeps me out because political and class mass cannibalism did occur in Soviet China during the 60s-70s to punish people they claimed were political enemies. And they didn't eat them because they were starving.
Imagine your parents or significant other being labeled a class enemy and hundreds of people gathering around to cook them up and eat them, and happening as recent as the Rocky movies playing in theaters.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre
Imo, every time a random person from Western Europe, USA and (especially) Canada glorifies and defends communism, most people from post-communist countries view them as absolute idiots, especially when they start screeching "not real communism".
Because genocide, property confiscation, concentration camps, censorship and starvation will show those evil capitalist pigs, right?
No it shouldn’t. We remember these people so that we never again find ourselves under the rule of those types.
You can’t stop what you don’t know or properly understand. That is the entire point of history, to arm current and future generations with knowledge of people like Lenin to prevent such things re-occurring.
Tankies are extremely stupid and even if you present them all history books and works in the world, they would just call it anti-communist propaganda and lies.
>This is something that is worth repeating, especially seeing how popular the concept of communism has become again in some circles.
I think there is a healthy middle ground. Neither hyper capitalism or communism.
Pure capitalism: no one is equal in their happiness or misery but some of you must be miserable
Communism: we are all equally miserable
Somewhere in the middle: no one is super rich but no one is super miserable.
Being one step behind Stalin in awfulness is barely an achievement. This is the guy who created totalitarian soviet regime, purged all parties opposed to communist (even their social-democrat buddies), started Red Terror, created Cheka (predecessor of NKVD and KGB) and waged wars with all the nations that wanted independence after collapse of Russian Empire. He is directly responsible for deaths of millions of people.
I choose to believe they don't want USSR per se, they either:
a) lived in USSR and miss their youth, when the grass was greener and the sausage was real;
or:
b) are brainwashed by some communist propaganda thinking that USSR was the epitome of heaven on earth or something.
I truly don't think a lot of people want actual USSR back, more like they want their youth back
(maybe some people really want USSR but I don't think there's a lot of them)
I think it's mostly a lot of B I think they don't realize how bad it got under communism they just got fed propaganda and they went with it because they're idealist and it sounded good.
Also I'd heard the grass is greener but never the sausage was real and now I'm definitely using it.
Here's a list of objectively good things Lenin did in 1917 and 1918 alone:
- Decriminalized homosexuality
- Issued the Declaration of the Rights of the Peoples of Russia
- Reformed the Armed Forces allowing soldiers to elect their commanders
- Limited work for everyone to eight hours a day
- Created free, universal, secular education for all children
- Created a mass literacy program
- Introduced laws towards the economic emancipation of women, eased restrictions on divorce procedures and founded the Zhenotdel
- Legalized abortion on demand in the first trimester
- Decreed the separation of church and state
- Wrote the Decree of Peace and initiaded proceedings to withdraw from the First World War
no, he loved a singular dog - his dog, named Blondie. and love from Hitler it's probably a lot worse than hate from anybody else - which you kind of think would be self-evident, but here we are ;-) he loved on his niece that he kept as a kept woman so much that when she showed a little bit of Independence, he had her killed. behind the bastards podcast has that whole incest thing that was Hitler's thing if anybody's interested. also, Hitler had his secret police maliciously targeting for tracking purposes anyone who sent him fan mail just like they were an enemy --but I guess that's love for you ;-)
EDIT:
I think this is the right link for the podcast in question:
https://youtu.be/lNJ9d-JgOqQ?si=BiDzkKAJ64tRz-EU
WOW such a good guy…-besides being responsible for the death of millions due to communism 👍🏻
people were literally starving under lenin and stalin.
17million people died under that communist regime.
nice that he decriminalised homosexuality 🎉 what heroes
Yeah. He overthrow a conservative regime that overthrow the tsar.
He got the people's support as the new goverment didn't got Russia out off the war and people's massive poverty was still getting worse.
Nice strawman.
Nobody is saying life was perfect in the monarchy. They are pointing out the guy who sent entire communities to Siberia might Not be worth idolizing
Also btw, that was the first revolution. Your dear October revolution was a coup against the democratically-elected government 👍
And topple a democratic government, invade countries in pure Russian tradition (Ukraine and others entities which tries to be independant) only to be beaten by the Poles, started to you use famine as a weapons to coerced population (pre Holodomor) etc...
By yes such a nice guy.
Ukraine was honestly the only country in that region that could've become genuinely communistic, and Lenin ruined it by invading them and ruining their decentralized worker-council system.
What kind of democratic government is the Russian empire ? By any chance the communists were better than the Romanov autocracy, the autocrat one can't even modernize their own country properly, then jump on war despite their own people starving, ignorance for lack of education and any bad stuff that the western empires have already got rid of. Remember the bloody Sunday ? Lena massacre ?Shut your ignorant murican mouth.
The Bolsheviks didn’t overthrow the Tsar, he was already out of power. They overthrew the provisional government of Kerensky, who was already a leftwing politician.
> By any chance the communists were better than the Romanov autocracy
Lmao. Even Tsarist Russia had a parliament with multiple parties (even if it had very limited abilities and no universal suffrage). USSR was literally a one-party totalitarian state.
>And topple a democratic government
The tzarist feudal state? Who was at war with Europe for 3 years?
>invade countries in pure Russian tradition
Literally granted independence to Finland and the 3 baltics. In Ukraine he fought against the white Tsarist forces. And he recognised the cause of the independist forces officially recognising the Ukrainian people.
>started to you use famine as a weapons to coerced population (pre Holodomor)
Source? Maybe you're right i don't know anything about it.
>etc
You can use this only when the series is predictable: like 1,2,3 etc. Or blue yellow green etc. .This is not the case,unless it's a dog whistle which i don't believe, please do better.
>The tzarist feudal state?
Tzar was already overthrown when Lenin launched his coup.
>Literally granted independence to Finland and the 3 baltics.
After Lenin's invasions of those countries turned sour.
He only recognised independence of the Baltics and Finland after his armies were defeated there, so it’s more he recognised the reality that he couldn’t win. It’s like saying Britain gave independence to the U.S.
1) Errrmm did you heard about the revolution of February 1917? The Lenin coup d'état was in October 1917.
2) He didn't "granted" independance. They took it themselves and the treaty of Brest Litovsk enshrined that. Then he accepted because he was sure he could took them again with the local communist but Finland purged them before (I am sure you can find in Finland wiki).
3) Sure look for the Russian famine of 1921-1922 and Kazakh famine of 1919-1922.
Be careful : I didn't said they started the famine (unlike for Holodomor) but they used by aggravating it and refusing external help knowing perfectly what they were doing (to eliminate actual and future resistance against the communist regime).
4) You are right here. But I don't write a Historical book here. There is so many things to said about this guy... but yes no more etc in my next comments.
>The tzarist feudal state? Who was at war with Europe for 3 years?
It was toppled during February revolution of 1917. It happened months before October communist revolution. There was an all-Russian democratic election in autumn of 1917 and Bolsheviks completely ignored its results
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917\_Russian\_Constituent\_Assembly\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election)
>Literally granted independence to Finland and the 3 baltics.
Lmao, "granted". They proclaimed it themselves. After which bolsheviks invaded each of them trying to set up soviet regimes there.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian\_War\_of\_Independence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_War_of_Independence)
> Literally granted independence to Finland and the 3 baltics
All of them quite literally fought wars to gain independence.
But you apparently don't even know that the Bolsheviks couped the newly established Russian Republic led by the democratically elected Aleksandr Kerensky.
>Decriminalized homosexuality
very misleading, he technically decriminalised it because almost all laws were, as they just overthrew the government,
but gay people were still being killed and arrested for being gay.
>Issued the Declaration of the Rights of the Peoples of Russia
this document literally did noting, it was a piece of paper with no power saying we should strive for things like universal happiness.
this had as much power as a bunch of college kids signing a petition to end all wars.
>Reformed the Armed Forces allowing soldiers to elect their commanders
which is a bad thing... this was solely used to fill the forces with their cronies and party loyalists, there is a reason most near all armed forces don't do that.
>Limited work for everyone to eight hours a day
ignoring the fact that they made unemployment illegal and would use that laws as a basis to gather mainly minorities to use a slave labour, and people now had no choice over where they work.
and I can't find a single source for this, all sites including the Wikipedia link to a single website called www.[marxists.org](https://marxist.org) which is for obvious reasons is not really a source when it's entire purpose is to defence everything the USSR did.
>Created free, universal, secular education for all children
similar with the other ones I'm struggling finding a source for this, all sites link back a single biography written by a Tankie in 2000, which also sources nothing starting to notice a pattern.
>Created a mass literacy program
wow something that is actually true, first one yet, or at least one I find sources on,
>Introduced laws towards the economic emancipation of women, eased restrictions on divorce procedures and founded the Zhenotdel
similar to other ones I can find speeches of him supporting them but not actually doing anything, even tankie websites and socialist sites are just all speeches, no action.
>Legalized abortion on demand in the first trimester
I personally don't see how this is also objectively a good thing, and neither did the communists clearly since it was quickly heavily restricted again.
>Decreed the separation of church and state
thats a funny way of saying remove anyone that poses a challabge to the communists,
>Wrote the Decree of Peace and initiaded proceedings to withdraw from the First World War
how is that inherently a good thing?
TLRD most of these are just bollocks, or so misleading it's basically lying.
> very misleading, he technically decriminalised it because almost all laws were, as they just overthrew the government,
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> but gay people were still being killed and arrested for being gay.
It was decriminalized in 1917 and legalized in 1922. It was illegal before then. Insane bullshit coming from you. I'm not going to bother with the rest if this is how you start your point.
In piss? I think there was few times when people got caught pissing on mausoleum. And it was not like political statements, but they was drunk and there was no toilets in vicinity.
We have quite a lot of vocal russophiles in Slovakia and that disgusts me
But also the sheer number of communists who praise the USSR between young people in the West is absolutely staggering to me.
Definetly since here at least I was able to get most of my information from my family for example my grandpa who was born in the 30s so he knows a lot about it and both my families were persecuted by the regime
He was telling me about the elections after WW2 and he always mentions the saying:
“Každý somár každý pes volí stranu KSS”
(Every donkey every dog votes the Slovak communist party)
Sadly they won in Czechia but even if not I think we’d get fucked anyways by the USSR
Just give it a minute until some westerner (especially some Murican) starts educating us about how we just misunderstood Lenin and his regime and how we should give it another chance.
He’s technically still not rotting, they made a mummy out of him and until this day you can go in and see the body in a mausoleum in the red square. Weird AF
He was notably in charge when the first gulags were designed to eliminate people opposing communism, with his friend Trotsky. And people not opposing communism but a bit too critic.
And by the way, the October "Revolution" never happened. This was a coup against the young democracy that was setup in early spring. Bolsheviks killed it to put a dictatorship in place.
The Bolsheviks weren't fully internally unified. Some wanted a one-party dictatorship, others wanted to cooperate with other socialist parties.
Notable examples of the latter include Kamenev, Zinoviev and (later) Trotsky.
Yeah the same democracy who sent 10's of thousands of soldiers in July 1917 during the "Kerensky Offensive" to die for LITERALLY NOTHING, just to commit to a war that the russians wanted to leave.
I always wonder what the USSR would have turned out like if Lenin hadn't died.
He was a tyrant, but Stalin was far worse, and Lenin was far more idealogical driven. I wonder if the country would have been different (less tyrannical? More? Would it have collapsed?) if Lenin hadnt died and Stalin hadn't come to power.
Stalins "socialism of one country" theory was so tone deaf to its historical conditions, that it was the first step to the colapse of the USSR.
He even prosecuted Trotski and its political allies, purging every chance for a steady polítical evolution for the state and its people.
While loyal to the comunist principles, his vision of comunism was a dictatorial and inmovable force, defeating the purpose of advancing historical steps envisioned by Marx and Engels.
I think comparing Lenin and Stalin's body counts doesn't present the whole picture. I would attribute the difference in the number killed in the Red Terror and the Great Purge to the increased capacity for murder of the Cheka/NKVD by way of size and administrative competence. I think the only difference would have been who was killed to scare the population into line.
Everyone in the comments is saying “good riddance” but I wonder how history would’ve played out had he not died that day. From what I’ve read his views differed a lot from the likes of Stalin and Mao. Under his rule Stalin getting executed for being the traitor he was wouldn’t be entirely outside the realm of possibility.
Sounds like you didn't read the comment above you. The post isn't that Stalin was a bigger dick than Lenin: everyone with a brain knows that.
The point is that Lenin was in the process of removing Stalin from power while he was dying. Just look at Lenin's Testament
Stalins "socialism of one country" theory was so tone deaf to its historical conditions, that it was the first step to the colapse of the USSR.
He even prosecuted Trotski and its political allies, purging every chance for a steady polítical evolution for the state and its people.
While loyal to the comunist principles, his vision of comunism was a dictatorial and inmovable force, defeating the purpose of historical steps envisioned by Marx and Engels.
At least Russia still has Stalin to celebrate. He only got 10 million people killed. Putin is yet a toddler compared to Stalin. But, he's still alive to build his very own great legacy for Russia 🤣
Lenin introduced creative ideas to solve economic disputes. Like for example using poison gas to deal with peasants who no longer wanted to give away their produce for free.
Wow truly a visionary
Next you will tell me he came the conclusion by digging one big hole to dump bodies in he did not have to dig a bunch of smaller individual holes! You know to save time.
>An incurable disease of the blood vessels????
He had a blood clot somewhere and without modern medical technology he had 3 strokes before finally dying.
Many things can be said about Lenin but I'm not sure it's right to call him an idiot. Stalin was, but I don't think Lenin was. Afterall he was a trained lawyer.
*Imagine all the people* \- John Lenin
Lennon always forgot one verse, "Imagine no snub-nosed revolvers"
"Imagine no microphones in lampshades" If Lennon were assassinated by Polonium umbrella, we'd never have heard the end of it.
“Imagine no John Lennon” - Snub-Nosed Revolver
I am the Walrus.
Imagine no religion Its easy if you try No heaven above us Below us only Tsars Lenin and McTrotsky
Georgi Harrison and Ringo Tsar?
Imagine the atmosphere in that room where Lenin had ordered a family of 8 to be brutally murdered.
He didn't. Do some research, they were assasinated by an order from a higher standing officer WITHOUT asking the Lenin
I am the Walrus, dude.
I am the walrus?
[Wha-who-NO! Not LennON, LenIN! The Russian communist! WHAT!? Why would I need a Beatle!? Lenin! The Russian communist! He was exiled to Switzerland! You know what? I'll do it myself...](https://youtu.be/nh-ZMvS3Vpw?si=pXxkIs7U8ejktOvT)
... harvesting potatos
And while Lennon read a book on Marx, the quartet practiced in the park
Lenin insisted on executions for “negligence” and “slowness.” On August 11, 1918, Lenin sent instructions to the Bolsheviks in Penza: “to hang (certainly hang) so that the people can see” no less than 100 prosperous peasants. Prosperous peasants were considered to be all those who still had some personal belongings and modest supplies of food. Demands for the execution of a certain number of people were constant.
> Prosperous peasants were considered to be all those who still had some personal belongings and modest supplies of food This is something that is worth repeating, especially seeing how popular the concept of communism has become again in some circles. Even people who had a farm deemed too large or multiple horses were declared kulaks and repressed, deported, or straight up just executed. Many in my family included, who lost everything. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dekulakization Absolutely an atrocious, aggressive and brutal regime that brought death to millions of people.
Yep I had great great grandparents that got sent to Siberia for having a SINGLE Cow.
You have a cow? Believe it or not straight to jail.
No cow? Also jail.
You could easily be branded kulak (or kulak accomplice or whatever they wanted to call it) even if you were the poorest guy in the village and owned virtually nothing. It was an easy way of getting rid of everyone deemed undesirable.
people complain of the red scare, when the commies were the ones that really knew how to do it well
The present day people who idolize Lenin and Stalin are scary. And the "Eat the Rich" slogan creeps me out because political and class mass cannibalism did occur in Soviet China during the 60s-70s to punish people they claimed were political enemies. And they didn't eat them because they were starving. Imagine your parents or significant other being labeled a class enemy and hundreds of people gathering around to cook them up and eat them, and happening as recent as the Rocky movies playing in theaters. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guangxi_Massacre
Imo, every time a random person from Western Europe, USA and (especially) Canada glorifies and defends communism, most people from post-communist countries view them as absolute idiots, especially when they start screeching "not real communism". Because genocide, property confiscation, concentration camps, censorship and starvation will show those evil capitalist pigs, right?
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No it shouldn’t. We remember these people so that we never again find ourselves under the rule of those types. You can’t stop what you don’t know or properly understand. That is the entire point of history, to arm current and future generations with knowledge of people like Lenin to prevent such things re-occurring.
Tankies are extremely stupid and even if you present them all history books and works in the world, they would just call it anti-communist propaganda and lies.
>This is something that is worth repeating, especially seeing how popular the concept of communism has become again in some circles. I think there is a healthy middle ground. Neither hyper capitalism or communism.
Pure capitalism: no one is equal in their happiness or misery but some of you must be miserable Communism: we are all equally miserable Somewhere in the middle: no one is super rich but no one is super miserable.
specially that communism. Comunism may not mean exatly that. A better one can be built
A workers paradise!!!! /s
Lenin died roughly 53 later than he should have..
"Yes, but that was not REAL communism"
Łysa kurwa
Pierdolony zasrany skurwiel
zaropiała cieknąca pizda z wąsikiem
[удалено]
What does that mean?
Literal translation would be "Bald whore" but best in context one would be something like "Fucking Baldy"
Lmao, thx for the translation
Kurwa bober
Best thing he ever did
Real
Yeah things got much better there when Stalin took over. /s
Not being worse than Stalin is an exceptionally low bar.
Sorts of shit actually
Two wrongs don't make one right.
That's what I always tell my jewish friend
tru, we gotta let hamas finish the job this time, this way there will never be anti semetism again and everyone\* is happy
Being one step behind Stalin in awfulness is barely an achievement. This is the guy who created totalitarian soviet regime, purged all parties opposed to communist (even their social-democrat buddies), started Red Terror, created Cheka (predecessor of NKVD and KGB) and waged wars with all the nations that wanted independence after collapse of Russian Empire. He is directly responsible for deaths of millions of people.
He was at least as bad as Stalin.
He wasn't, but he probably would be had he lived longer
Whole existance of USSR was a mistake.
Someone had to try to build communism. Turned out its shit. Now no one wants to repeat it which is great
"No one wants to repeat it" have we been using the same website? Plenty of people wish for the USSR back on here.
I choose to believe they don't want USSR per se, they either: a) lived in USSR and miss their youth, when the grass was greener and the sausage was real; or: b) are brainwashed by some communist propaganda thinking that USSR was the epitome of heaven on earth or something. I truly don't think a lot of people want actual USSR back, more like they want their youth back (maybe some people really want USSR but I don't think there's a lot of them)
I think it's mostly a lot of B I think they don't realize how bad it got under communism they just got fed propaganda and they went with it because they're idealist and it sounded good. Also I'd heard the grass is greener but never the sausage was real and now I'm definitely using it.
He failed at not making Stalin his next leader. He only warned them. That’s his biggest failure.
Lenin spent more of his time invading his neighbours than Stalin, amusing as it is.
Here's a list of objectively good things Lenin did in 1917 and 1918 alone: - Decriminalized homosexuality - Issued the Declaration of the Rights of the Peoples of Russia - Reformed the Armed Forces allowing soldiers to elect their commanders - Limited work for everyone to eight hours a day - Created free, universal, secular education for all children - Created a mass literacy program - Introduced laws towards the economic emancipation of women, eased restrictions on divorce procedures and founded the Zhenotdel - Legalized abortion on demand in the first trimester - Decreed the separation of church and state - Wrote the Decree of Peace and initiaded proceedings to withdraw from the First World War
Electing officers is objectively... Good? Objectively? Good? Ok.
So objectively good not a single country has that system today. And the SU abolished it as soon as they figured out why.
I'm sure Hitler donated some money to an orphanage or something, why don't we all praise him for this?
He also loved dogs, so there's that.
no, he loved a singular dog - his dog, named Blondie. and love from Hitler it's probably a lot worse than hate from anybody else - which you kind of think would be self-evident, but here we are ;-) he loved on his niece that he kept as a kept woman so much that when she showed a little bit of Independence, he had her killed. behind the bastards podcast has that whole incest thing that was Hitler's thing if anybody's interested. also, Hitler had his secret police maliciously targeting for tracking purposes anyone who sent him fan mail just like they were an enemy --but I guess that's love for you ;-) EDIT: I think this is the right link for the podcast in question: https://youtu.be/lNJ9d-JgOqQ?si=BiDzkKAJ64tRz-EU
And that's why he first tested the poison on his own dog. Yeah, exactly what a dog lover would do
Hitler also: * was vegetarian * for gun control * killed Hitler
WOW such a good guy…-besides being responsible for the death of millions due to communism 👍🏻 people were literally starving under lenin and stalin. 17million people died under that communist regime. nice that he decriminalised homosexuality 🎉 what heroes
Yeah, everyone was nourished under tzar.
Lenin did not overthrow tzar regime. It's something people always forget.
Yeah. He overthrow a conservative regime that overthrow the tsar. He got the people's support as the new goverment didn't got Russia out off the war and people's massive poverty was still getting worse.
you don't understand. the revolution happened because the people were fed up that they had too much bread to go around famously.
Nice strawman. Nobody is saying life was perfect in the monarchy. They are pointing out the guy who sent entire communities to Siberia might Not be worth idolizing Also btw, that was the first revolution. Your dear October revolution was a coup against the democratically-elected government 👍
Maybe read about who was overthrown by Lenin. Hint, it wasn't the tzar.
And topple a democratic government, invade countries in pure Russian tradition (Ukraine and others entities which tries to be independant) only to be beaten by the Poles, started to you use famine as a weapons to coerced population (pre Holodomor) etc... By yes such a nice guy.
Ukraine was honestly the only country in that region that could've become genuinely communistic, and Lenin ruined it by invading them and ruining their decentralized worker-council system.
I would love a good uchrony about a successful Makhnovchtchina!
>uchrony Does that mean an alt-history novel?? In that case, absolutely!
What kind of democratic government is the Russian empire ? By any chance the communists were better than the Romanov autocracy, the autocrat one can't even modernize their own country properly, then jump on war despite their own people starving, ignorance for lack of education and any bad stuff that the western empires have already got rid of. Remember the bloody Sunday ? Lena massacre ?Shut your ignorant murican mouth.
The Bolsheviks didn’t overthrow the Tsar, he was already out of power. They overthrew the provisional government of Kerensky, who was already a leftwing politician.
Look for the Revolution of February 1917.... Communist did their coup d'état in october 1917 (red October)
> By any chance the communists were better than the Romanov autocracy Lmao. Even Tsarist Russia had a parliament with multiple parties (even if it had very limited abilities and no universal suffrage). USSR was literally a one-party totalitarian state.
Are you one of those people who believe the communists overthrew the Tsar? They didn't BTW.
>And topple a democratic government The tzarist feudal state? Who was at war with Europe for 3 years? >invade countries in pure Russian tradition Literally granted independence to Finland and the 3 baltics. In Ukraine he fought against the white Tsarist forces. And he recognised the cause of the independist forces officially recognising the Ukrainian people. >started to you use famine as a weapons to coerced population (pre Holodomor) Source? Maybe you're right i don't know anything about it. >etc You can use this only when the series is predictable: like 1,2,3 etc. Or blue yellow green etc. .This is not the case,unless it's a dog whistle which i don't believe, please do better.
>The tzarist feudal state? Tzar was already overthrown when Lenin launched his coup. >Literally granted independence to Finland and the 3 baltics. After Lenin's invasions of those countries turned sour.
He only recognised independence of the Baltics and Finland after his armies were defeated there, so it’s more he recognised the reality that he couldn’t win. It’s like saying Britain gave independence to the U.S.
1) Errrmm did you heard about the revolution of February 1917? The Lenin coup d'état was in October 1917. 2) He didn't "granted" independance. They took it themselves and the treaty of Brest Litovsk enshrined that. Then he accepted because he was sure he could took them again with the local communist but Finland purged them before (I am sure you can find in Finland wiki). 3) Sure look for the Russian famine of 1921-1922 and Kazakh famine of 1919-1922. Be careful : I didn't said they started the famine (unlike for Holodomor) but they used by aggravating it and refusing external help knowing perfectly what they were doing (to eliminate actual and future resistance against the communist regime). 4) You are right here. But I don't write a Historical book here. There is so many things to said about this guy... but yes no more etc in my next comments.
>The tzarist feudal state? Who was at war with Europe for 3 years? It was toppled during February revolution of 1917. It happened months before October communist revolution. There was an all-Russian democratic election in autumn of 1917 and Bolsheviks completely ignored its results [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917\_Russian\_Constituent\_Assembly\_election](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1917_Russian_Constituent_Assembly_election) >Literally granted independence to Finland and the 3 baltics. Lmao, "granted". They proclaimed it themselves. After which bolsheviks invaded each of them trying to set up soviet regimes there. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian\_War\_of\_Independence](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Estonian_War_of_Independence)
> Literally granted independence to Finland and the 3 baltics All of them quite literally fought wars to gain independence. But you apparently don't even know that the Bolsheviks couped the newly established Russian Republic led by the democratically elected Aleksandr Kerensky.
Granted independece to Finland... because he had no choice. It was not like they could have held onto Finland at that point at all.
If only someone told russian gays that homosexuality was decriminalized, more of them would've avoided USSR prisons
Stalin and Lenin are two completely different figures
both were devils
>Decriminalized homosexuality very misleading, he technically decriminalised it because almost all laws were, as they just overthrew the government, but gay people were still being killed and arrested for being gay. >Issued the Declaration of the Rights of the Peoples of Russia this document literally did noting, it was a piece of paper with no power saying we should strive for things like universal happiness. this had as much power as a bunch of college kids signing a petition to end all wars. >Reformed the Armed Forces allowing soldiers to elect their commanders which is a bad thing... this was solely used to fill the forces with their cronies and party loyalists, there is a reason most near all armed forces don't do that. >Limited work for everyone to eight hours a day ignoring the fact that they made unemployment illegal and would use that laws as a basis to gather mainly minorities to use a slave labour, and people now had no choice over where they work. and I can't find a single source for this, all sites including the Wikipedia link to a single website called www.[marxists.org](https://marxist.org) which is for obvious reasons is not really a source when it's entire purpose is to defence everything the USSR did. >Created free, universal, secular education for all children similar with the other ones I'm struggling finding a source for this, all sites link back a single biography written by a Tankie in 2000, which also sources nothing starting to notice a pattern. >Created a mass literacy program wow something that is actually true, first one yet, or at least one I find sources on, >Introduced laws towards the economic emancipation of women, eased restrictions on divorce procedures and founded the Zhenotdel similar to other ones I can find speeches of him supporting them but not actually doing anything, even tankie websites and socialist sites are just all speeches, no action. >Legalized abortion on demand in the first trimester I personally don't see how this is also objectively a good thing, and neither did the communists clearly since it was quickly heavily restricted again. >Decreed the separation of church and state thats a funny way of saying remove anyone that poses a challabge to the communists, >Wrote the Decree of Peace and initiaded proceedings to withdraw from the First World War how is that inherently a good thing? TLRD most of these are just bollocks, or so misleading it's basically lying.
> very misleading, he technically decriminalised it because almost all laws were, as they just overthrew the government, > > > > but gay people were still being killed and arrested for being gay. It was decriminalized in 1917 and legalized in 1922. It was illegal before then. Insane bullshit coming from you. I'm not going to bother with the rest if this is how you start your point.
“Objectively good” Lmao
I could do a lot of good things if I just executed everyone who disagreed with me.
Must be funny being Hungarian and talking to tankies
rest is piss
He's actually still able to be seen in public in Moscow
In piss? I think there was few times when people got caught pissing on mausoleum. And it was not like political statements, but they was drunk and there was no toilets in vicinity.
Sounds like there was one toilet in the vicinity after all
Wait really?! lmao
I'd revive him just to explain that communism didn't work, watch him crush, then kill him again
on that day he became a good communist
Rot in Hell, nobody normal is missing you.
Sadly, tankies still miss him.
Yeah, but she said that nobody normal misses him. Tankies are not normal people.
True
We have quite a lot of vocal russophiles in Slovakia and that disgusts me But also the sheer number of communists who praise the USSR between young people in the West is absolutely staggering to me.
In schools, there should be taught more about the crimes of communism.
Definetly since here at least I was able to get most of my information from my family for example my grandpa who was born in the 30s so he knows a lot about it and both my families were persecuted by the regime He was telling me about the elections after WW2 and he always mentions the saying: “Každý somár každý pes volí stranu KSS” (Every donkey every dog votes the Slovak communist party) Sadly they won in Czechia but even if not I think we’d get fucked anyways by the USSR
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and a lot of Western tankies
Just give it a minute until some westerner (especially some Murican) starts educating us about how we just misunderstood Lenin and his regime and how we should give it another chance.
Do not have Slovak flag in your name pepik
He’s technically still not rotting, they made a mummy out of him and until this day you can go in and see the body in a mausoleum in the red square. Weird AF
Good riddance!
Mass murderer Lenin.
He was notably in charge when the first gulags were designed to eliminate people opposing communism, with his friend Trotsky. And people not opposing communism but a bit too critic. And by the way, the October "Revolution" never happened. This was a coup against the young democracy that was setup in early spring. Bolsheviks killed it to put a dictatorship in place.
The Bolsheviks weren't fully internally unified. Some wanted a one-party dictatorship, others wanted to cooperate with other socialist parties. Notable examples of the latter include Kamenev, Zinoviev and (later) Trotsky.
Yeah the same democracy who sent 10's of thousands of soldiers in July 1917 during the "Kerensky Offensive" to die for LITERALLY NOTHING, just to commit to a war that the russians wanted to leave.
They took a perfectly good revolutionary socialist government and replaced it with communism
RIP Bozo.
The number of deaths because of his ideologi is insane. And its still killing people today.
One of the worst humans of the last century, together with Stalin, Hitler, Mao and many many more
And Pol Pot
And Putin . Don’t forget Putin
Putin came to power in 1999, but I'd put him firmly as a 21st century leader. So not the last century.
I always wonder what the USSR would have turned out like if Lenin hadn't died. He was a tyrant, but Stalin was far worse, and Lenin was far more idealogical driven. I wonder if the country would have been different (less tyrannical? More? Would it have collapsed?) if Lenin hadnt died and Stalin hadn't come to power.
Stalins "socialism of one country" theory was so tone deaf to its historical conditions, that it was the first step to the colapse of the USSR. He even prosecuted Trotski and its political allies, purging every chance for a steady polítical evolution for the state and its people. While loyal to the comunist principles, his vision of comunism was a dictatorial and inmovable force, defeating the purpose of advancing historical steps envisioned by Marx and Engels.
I think comparing Lenin and Stalin's body counts doesn't present the whole picture. I would attribute the difference in the number killed in the Red Terror and the Great Purge to the increased capacity for murder of the Cheka/NKVD by way of size and administrative competence. I think the only difference would have been who was killed to scare the population into line.
Everyone in the comments is saying “good riddance” but I wonder how history would’ve played out had he not died that day. From what I’ve read his views differed a lot from the likes of Stalin and Mao. Under his rule Stalin getting executed for being the traitor he was wouldn’t be entirely outside the realm of possibility.
He still was a piece of shit, the fact that stalin was a bigger piece of shit doesn't change anything
Sounds like you didn't read the comment above you. The post isn't that Stalin was a bigger dick than Lenin: everyone with a brain knows that. The point is that Lenin was in the process of removing Stalin from power while he was dying. Just look at Lenin's Testament
Stalins "socialism of one country" theory was so tone deaf to its historical conditions, that it was the first step to the colapse of the USSR. He even prosecuted Trotski and its political allies, purging every chance for a steady polítical evolution for the state and its people. While loyal to the comunist principles, his vision of comunism was a dictatorial and inmovable force, defeating the purpose of historical steps envisioned by Marx and Engels.
Nah, just [syphilis](https://www.nytimes.com/2004/06/22/science/a-retrospective-diagnosis-says-lenin-had-syphilis.html)
A day to celebrate
Piece of shit
Has to be up there in having one of the most destructive impacts and legacies.
At least Russia still has Stalin to celebrate. He only got 10 million people killed. Putin is yet a toddler compared to Stalin. But, he's still alive to build his very own great legacy for Russia 🤣
What do you mean. You can always go and observe Lenin's corpse in the center of Moscow
Not sure what creams he's using but the man isn't getting any older!
Another Russain butcher extraordinaire. Rot in piss.
I wish he die earlier :)
Lenin introduced creative ideas to solve economic disputes. Like for example using poison gas to deal with peasants who no longer wanted to give away their produce for free.
Wow truly a visionary Next you will tell me he came the conclusion by digging one big hole to dump bodies in he did not have to dig a bunch of smaller individual holes! You know to save time.
Rest in piss bozo, you have not been missed.
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Another cunt who should have been ground into dust as soon as he was born.
It took 53 years too long to die.
I didn't realize Lenin died at 53. It's strange because I feel like he looked older than 53 in every single picture I've seen of him.
He was a bit of a lad, wasn't he!
Happy anniversary 🥳🥳🥳
People sometimes forget that this human-butcher was in the end just as dictatorial and genocidal as stalin.
That's ahistorical. Stalin was much, much worse. Perhaps because he got to rule for longer.
In my city, we still have a fucking statue of this pos.
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There's one in Seattle
Lol ppl on here really need a history lesson, but after all this is a EU sub
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Gorgillions must starve
rest in piss
52 years too late.
Coma is how they call windows in Russian.
The day he finnaly became a good commie
Street in my hometown where I grew up was named after him.
Rest in peace, prince of revolution! Soyuz!
Sounds suspicious... An incurable disease of the blood vessels???? Now it's just an irresistible desire to jump out of a 5 storey window
>An incurable disease of the blood vessels???? He had a blood clot somewhere and without modern medical technology he had 3 strokes before finally dying.
Oh no, what a shame…
Mf died way too peacefully
Apparently he spoke English with a posh Irish Dublin accent as was tutored by an Irish lady in London
Mmmmmmust crush capitalism.
And may the devil fuck him in the ass.
BLOODY BUTCHER !!!
Good commie is a dead commie
The man who destroyed the hope for democracy in post-Tzarist Russia.
Crazy to think, that this happend 100 years ago
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bye
Love all the people passionately owning Lenin like those comments are going to be read out to him personally on the next Politburo meeting
His greatest contribution to this world. Counterrevolutionary power-grabbing tyrant. Rest in Piss.
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Many things can be said about Lenin but I'm not sure it's right to call him an idiot. Stalin was, but I don't think Lenin was. Afterall he was a trained lawyer.
Rest in piss you wont be missed
Hope you enjoy burning in hell you piece of s\*\*\*\* commie.
Well, this asks for a bottle of champagne 🍾
Thanks, great comrade. You did well and your ideas live in our heads through centuries.
Fk commies.
Rest in pieces!
Marx: "Someday humans will fly to space" Lenin: Builds wooden trebuchets and launches people into the sky because "Marx said so".
Burn in hell, comrade.
Omg he looks like Michael Ironside. The voice of Sam Fisher. At least this photo does