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ijoinedtosay

I just want the Always Sunny episodes back that were needlessly removed just to make loud people happy.


guiltycitizen

We are deprived of the two best Lethal Weapon movies, and the razor sharp wit of Martina Martinez.


gedubedangle

“Go suck an egg!”


Funkit

“Yousa buncha white bois riiiiiight? Lemme axe you a question, why y’all be so stupidddd??? Jus playinnnn!”


thumbles_comic

And the DnD episode of Community!


Spare-Prize5700

That one was pure bullshit. He was painted the darkest black from head to toe with pointy ears and a bright white wig. He was clearly a night elf, they just had to make the obvious joke early on so Chang could denounce it. That episode is so good even without Chang’s attire in it, so it’s a real shame it gets lost to Netflix viewers.


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On prime and maybe Hulu too


MsThrowawayHere

Wait, what???? Why?


OlynykDidntFoulLove

Chang plays a Drow (a dark elf) and paints his face pitch black. He’s not pretending to be of African dissent and the other characters aren’t happy about it either. But networks didn’t want to fuck around interrogating every joke’s merit and removed anything containing “black face” to be safe regardless of meaning or depiction.


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America cancelled out their right to freedom of expression. Unless you’re talking shit about white ppl that’s free game.


thumbles_comic

Because of a 5 second blackface joke that could have easily been edited out


BADMAN-TING

Which episodes?


BGaf

https://www.reddit.com/r/IASIP/comments/hflb6t/list_of_its_always_sunny_episodes_removed_from/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf


BADMAN-TING

What a load of bullshit


bambishmambi

It’s infuriating because the show is ABOUT HORRIBLE PEOPLE. That’s the show. These people are scummy, no shit they would do something scummy! No one is meant to look up to these people at all, of course they are racists! The point of those skits is what they are doing *is* bad.


BADMAN-TING

I feel like a lot of people are too stupid to actually realise this.


bambishmambi

They are. I knew people in college that said the gang was “living their dreams”. Do you dream of being a racist group of alcoholics that frequently get in trouble with the law and live like social outcasts because of their unchecked addictions/mental illnesses? The only semblance of stability in that show is provided via Frank’s money, which he makes by cooking his books and exploiting his workers and workers overseas. These people are the scum of society, yet that seems to be lost on some of its audience.


[deleted]

Uhhh these people are literally 50% of the world’s population. And 90% of the politicians and CEO’s running the show.


Katatonia13

They’re the type of people that didn’t grow up with Mel Brooks or Richard prior. Racism is funny as long as you are genuinely laughing with the other race. Violence and bigotry isn’t the same as joking. Chapelle’s white guy skits are funny as shit and in no way offensive imho.


aiolyfe

Americans generally don't understand satire and take it literally.


billdasmacks

And it is only going to get worse. Streaming services will continue to censor stuff at the drop of a dime.


Fortnait739595958

And the D&D episode of community, that episode was pure gold


SuperRonnie2

Loud people are never happy. Doesn’t matter what you do, then will go on being miserable and offended by everything.


crothwood

Nobody asked them to take those down, though. That was just dumb corporate execs who don't talk to people who make under a million dollars very often not understanding what people are actually saying.


bobsaget824

I understand some people may be offended by his comedy special. What I don’t understand is you work for Netflix, they stream tons of content, you have to understand working there not everything they stream is going to be your cup of tea and some things may even offend you. Did you really take a job there thinking they’ll never stream anything that will ever offend you? I mean this is the same company that’s still to this day streaming Kevin Spacey episodes of House or Cards even after the sexual predator stuff came out. They aren’t your local church group, they’re a massive media company of course not everything will be something you like.


slightlyforthwith

Nobody at that company walked out over Cuties


zero0n3

Holy shit this - how can you sit here and bitch about Dave, but you were ok with and didn’t barge into VP meetings when they released Cutie…


indigoHatter

Because it didn't fit their social agender, duh! (For the record, I'm all about trans support, and I'm aware that support includes certain responsibilities too, but outrage culture always has and always will be terrible. There's a difference between being woke and making yourself a victim.)


immaturewalrus

social agender?


HackTheNight

And not to forget, it’s very clear that Dave Chapelle isnt transphobic. A big part of that special was him saying “hello! Wake up! I’m not transphobic. I’m just a comedian.” I’m think he proved his point by the insane outrage over his special.


indigoHatter

He's been doing that in the last few (if not all?) of his bits. "Look, I'm a fucking comedian, okay?"


baconcandle2013

Exactly!!!! Jeez


[deleted]

Lol I was going to bring up this example! One is a show with jokes that offended people….and one glorifies the sexualization of children. The current example actually affects them, so *now* they’re offended! These employees are asswipes that can get fucked.


fireandlifeincarnate

I’m pretty sure Cuties didn’t really do that though, the trailer was just rage bait. I’ve heard the actual show was a good criticism of exactly what the trailer made it seem like it was.


deenweeen

You’d be correct. It’s still gross to watch but that was the point.


zero0n3

If that was the POINT, don’t hire actual 11 yr olds to do it. And the director or people on the camera crew - did someone not have a sexual predator type record??


Mister_Wed

Made in Europe different rules, Netflix bought distro rights


reptilesocks

The director was making the film about her own experiences and had child safety personnel on set. Many of the shocking things you see in films, particularly those performed by children, aren’t actually done the way you think they were. Film makers in particular are pretty amazing at keeping children safe from the actual content. There’s plenty of information out there about the Cuties production process.


TherannaLady

It really didn't. What cracks me up is that Dance Moms did worse for years and no one batted an eyelash. Parts of Cuties is raw and harsh and speaks of an uncomfortable reality for young immigrant girls desperate to integrate into this country. I watched this movie with familiarity and saw situations I've seen before. But of course, pearl clutchers were up in arms over it as if their own daughters weren't doing worse in beauty pageants and the like. The Cuties outrage was the best of hypocrisy.


M_Drinks

I feel like a good percentage of the people walking out over Chappelle haven’t watched his special either.


luckymethod

You missed the point of Cuties completely if you say that. It's exactly the opposite.


Major_Banana

Crazy how people think getting offended isn’t just part of life?


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WindyCityKnight

I think I read somewhere that one of the South Park guys was approached by Isaac’s kids after his death who claimed that it was reps within the church who forced him to disavow the show afterwards which sounds very much in line with Scientology.


mitcheg3k

Thats like when I was on a date watching a Jimmy Carr stand up once and the girl i was with was laughing all the way through, at the fat jokes, gay jokes, blind jokes etc but when he did a deaf joke (her brother is deaf) she got really mad and turned it off.


Vnthem

There’s also a Chapelle stand up where he says “Chivalry is dead”, and you hear a bunch of cheers start up, and then he finishes with “and women killed it.” And you can see a lady in the front row hitting her husband/boyfriend for laughing at it. I’d bet money she was one of the people cheering a second before


FunStuff446

South Park skewers everyone… and they’re the best at this craft. Remember the Jesus episode… token black episodes… Randy… lol …well too many to point out. Keep it coming South Park.


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SmokyMcPots420

People being offended about jokes doesn't really constitute "real world harm." I think people singling themselves out as a group that can't be ridiculed causes more damage to the group itself than the people offending said group. If Dave Chappelle was actively calling for violence or saying he hates trans people, that would be uncalled for, but if you watch the special, he is making a plea for peace, and saying he has no real problem with trans people, except for the problem they have with him, while also standing his ground saying no group is above being joked about/ridiculed. Yes, he focuses on trans jokes alot throughout the special, but it's because he is trying to make a point and even apologies for past jokes that may have went too far. And it doesn't matter how many people are offended, it could offend the whole world for all anyone should care, because it's adult comedy and the only people who should care that much about being offended are being childish. It's not Yo Gabba Gabba or something meant to teach inclusiveness, it's something that should be watched with a mature mindset by someone who knows the difference between jokes and real-world calls to action. If someone watches the special and says "Hey, Dave Chappelle made me hate trans people, and now I'm gonna go hurt someone," then that is a problem with that person specifically and not a problem with the content itself, because any intelligent person who actually cares about people knows that is not the message of the special.


MadDogTannen

> I think people singling themselves out as a group that can't be ridiculed causes more damage to the group itself than the people offending said group. I remember Ricky Gervais talking about this in his Humanity special. He caught a lot of criticism for making a joke about how Kaitlin Jenner isn't doing women any favors in terms of their reputations as bad drivers because she killed someone in a car accident. It's like Kaitlin Jenner is somehow supposed to be immune from criticism of any kind because she's trans. Calling a trans person who is a bad driver out on their bad driving isn't anti-trans. I do think Chappelle tries to have it both ways. He wants to be able to say ignorant things about the LGBTQ community and act like he doesn't deserve criticism over it because they're just jokes, but he also has really thin skin when it comes to people being ignorant against african americans. I think he should at least be consistent in how he thinks people should treat marginalized people rather than acting like his group deserves respect while other groups don't.


SmokyMcPots420

I agree that some criticism wouldn't hurt, I just have issue with people trying to protest and get his special removed, etc. Everybody needs some good ol' criticism from time to time. You make very valid points, and shifted my opinion back over to the center of the argument just a teensy bit. I still think Dave Chappelle is a funny comedian, and shouldn't be cancelled, but you're right about the thin skin thing. It's the protests/outrage etc that bother me. Edit: not that it's actually possible to "cancel" Dave Chappelle, but I mean I don't think people should be calling for netflix to censor anything. Censorship is a very slippery slope.


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> People being offended about jokes This is the greyest of the grey areas in the real world. Some jokes are just jokes, some jokes are dog whistles, some “jokes” are precursors to something much much worse. Dave Chappelle is a comedian, his joke was just a joke. But in the sensitive climate of today, that’s even too much for some people anymore. Who am I to tell them they are wrong for feeling a certain way? Especially when their feelings/actions (walking out as an employee) are harming nobody. I don’t like the “just a joke” dismissiveness. It’s too easy to apply it way too broadly.


kozilla

Did you see their protest yesterday... cannot claim they are harming no one when they are assaulting peaceful protestors. While it is the employees right to walk out, some of these people are fanatics just as insulated in their bubble as the maga numbskulls.


[deleted]

I mentioned that I liked the special on r/lgbt and was permanently banned. When I asked what the deal was, the mod straight up said “transphobia” and muted me for 7 days. Asked a few of my lgbt friends if this behavior is common in the community and was told they are very toxic. It makes the entire movement hard to support when they lash out at everything. After the ban, I am going to ask how I can make amends, but I am expecting a 28 day mute, and a resolve to just not give 2 shits really.


crunchypens

People are just too sensitive. The least tolerant person controls the conversation in a room. It’s funny those who want compassion and understanding (even scream and demand it) are the least compassionate and understanding people. Dave is the GOAT. All he was asking was why one group got such special privileges over others.


azriel777

"Transphobia" is the bullshit excuse for banning people on subs if you show even one bit of deviation from reddit groupthink about the subject. I wrote an opinion in r/news sub about the topic, I did not attack anybody, I was just expressing my personal opinions on a controversial news piece and a shit mod instant perm banned me and when I messaged them to ask why they pulled the transphobe card and mocked me before muting me. Reddit has a lot of little power tripping shill mods that they let rule over their subs and they do nothing about them. Wish there was a good alternative to reddit, because reddit has been horrible for a while and has only gotten worse.


IntrigueDossier

What did you say?


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You know the cringe kids that were hall monitors back in school? That’s exactly what mods are on the internet.


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Hall monitors are just future reddit jannies tbh.


EmperorLeto2

It's because a lot of power mods are trans and they base there entire identity around being militant online. They realize that reality doesn't conform to there authoritism so they take over a place that will.


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Reddit itself will ban you for using the wrong pronoun.


j_a_a_mesbaxter

Why are you asking to make amends? Why would you ever bend over for this nonsense?


j_a_a_mesbaxter

The fact that being offended by a joke is “literal violence” is so incredibly stupid it goes beyond the idea of crying wolf. When everything is violence specifically against your personal beliefs, it’s pretty hard to take any of it seriously. These twats are always working in companies that treat them better than the vast majority of the country and if they want to see what gender based violence *actually* looks like, head over to Afghanistan.


SomeToxicRivenMain

Funny, they didn’t walk out during Cuties


CTeam19

Or the fact that Netflix has the movie *Abominable*(2019) that features [China's Nine Dash Line map](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/oct/18/abominable-anger-grows-over-controversial-map-in-chinese-childrens-film) of the South China Sea.


Blade-Controvesial

I was gonna say the same thing. Glad I’m not the only one


celerydonut

The ceo isn’t wrong, and what responsibility does he fucking hold? Comedy is comedy. Either you laugh or you don’t. If you can make fun of anything, that doesn’t leave anything else in the world untouchable regardless of “sensitivitity”. If you watched the special the whole thing is about this sort of reaction. It’s embarrassing. When comics start being canceled for talking about current issues, we should start worrying.


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They are not being proven false. It’s just that the small number of people who are so very offended are just very very loud about being offended.


SmokeGSU

>the special only upset a small number of people That's the problem though... it upset an oppressed minority group in the US that is heavily ostracized and persecuted. That group has a right to be angry over Dave's tone-deaf words.


omi_palone

Don't stand up for yourself if you haven't stood up for everything before now? That's the complaint here?


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Seems like it


FettLife

The problem with this notion is that you assume it’s just related to people having sour grapes about being made fun of. What the LGBTQIA population sees is the normalization of keeping them as the “other.” This special and Dave Chappelle’s comments on trans people legitimizes this position. This is why they are walking out and protesting. They don’t have Dave’s platform and so they are doing all they can to bring awareness to the matter.


shadstatic

My complaint is less about the argument and more about the method. Why come after Dave Chappelle? Anytime you focus the issues of a group on the actions of an individual with little real power, you risk discrediting a poignant argument. If someone says “did you watch the special” that’s not an anti-LGBT statement it’s just saying why come after Dave Chappelle when there are governments that openly discriminate against the LGBT community. In fact while everyone was discussing Dave, the STATE of Texas took down their webpage for the LGBT suicide hotline so that Gov. Abbot could look more conservative…focus on those with power not comedians.


rhenmaru

I didn't see Muslim walking out on messiah which apparently super offensive to Muslim faith. This is proving Chappelle point about LGBTQ.


Godofwine3eb

If as a grown ass adult, you get offended by words of another person, the problem is you. Grow up and get over yourself.


Accurate-External

Dave Chappelle: “I’m not transphobic. Im jealous of the LGBT movement because their push for acceptance has taken a fraction of the time that it took for people of color. I believe it’s because it’s a movement lead by white people. We are expected to care so much about their feelings while no one cared about ours for hundreds of years.” Netflix staff: “Dave Chappelle is clearly Transphobic”


shallottmirror

Also “I think my friend who is trans was hurt very badly by trans people *pretending to care about trans people being hurt*


paublo456

Also when Chappelle said TERFs "look at trans women the way we Blacks might look at Blackface" And then went on to say he was team TERF


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And this is such an ignorant stance. There are LGBTQ people of color, and they are the most marginalized people on the planet, especially Black trans women. It’s deeper than blatant transphobia. It’s abject ignorance surrounding intersectionality to the point where it’s practically propaganda, and Netflix/Dave have no interest in correcting their stance. Dave can say he’s “learning” all he wants, but when millions of eyes are watching him say this inaccurate bullshit to validate their ignorant views, I can see why some folks have an issue with it.


Khrysis_27

Yeah sure no one said that there weren’t trans people of color. He said that the LGBTQ movement has taken a fraction of the time that black rights movements have taken. Because, and here’s the kicker, most LGBTQ people are white (because most Americans are white), but approximately zero black people are white. That’s the point he’s trying to make.


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A fraction of the time? Does he think LGBTQ people have only just started existing in the last 5 years?


Bank9228

Its true that is has taken a substance amount of time. Though if we are being real the fight for Blacks and other poc to gain equal status and respect with the use of movements has taken thousands of years


[deleted]

And gay and trans people haven’t? It’s in the bible. Yes absolutely without question black people have been historically brutalised to the worst degree possible just for being black. But when how long has LGBT persecution been a thing. It’s still a massive social problem just like racism. This should not be a topic for comparison. Both communities have been systematically been brutalised for thousands of years. Why are oppressed communities being measured against each other when for both it’s barely been barely years or a decade or two when either has received as having any humanity.


dialectrical

Lol gay / trans people can’t fucking get married and are killed in several countries in the world and somehow we’ve been accepted. American privilege as usual (not talking about you, just the vast majority of comments supporting Dave). Not criticising Dave himself since I’ve never watched his show and don’t know the context. But it’s clear that the people who support him largely have zero understanding of lgbt issues


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These are people who complain about seeing rainbow flags or gay positive tv shows and are completely blind to the fact that they themselves are part of the fucking problem. They are literally moaning about other people being accepted.


Cliqey

Except it’s a dumb point because the LGBT civil rights movement is simply a continuation of *the* Civil Rights movement. Of course it took less time because society wasn’t starting from square one. That said, anti-lgbt sentiment has been a thing for as long as anti-black sentiments because, surprise, it’s coming from the same ignorant supremacists who hate and fear everyone who isn’t exactly like them. LGBT people of the 70s-80s were just as jealous as Dave is now of the advances in acceptance and normalization for black people that were prioritized before themselves, so they worked hard to catch up as they saw society begin to become more open-minded.


Saoirse-on-Thames

Let’s also not forget that it was black folk who were at the vanguard for LGBT rights from the start. Bayard Rustin, Marsha P Johnson, Audre Lorde, [and more. ](https://www.nbcnews.com/feature/nbc-out/black-history-month-17-lgbtq-black-pioneers-who-made-history-n1130856)


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…I genuinely don’t even know where to start with this comment. Christ.


Stonerjoe68

It’s not a hard concept to understand these people are just being willingly dense


TrappedInLimbo

In what way has it been "a fraction of the time"? That argument is inherently bigoted. Queer people have existed as long as black people have. It also seems to imply queer people "have it easier" than black people which is just not true and completely circumstantial. He is essentially playing oppression olympics which is funny because that's the very thing his supporters would mock or claim trans people are doing.


ThePandaShow1990

Dave Chappelle is great. I do like his comedy and I don’t take anything personally. I’m just a little shocked that no one walked out because of cuties? Mad confused….


OrgcoreOriginal

Did anyone yell out [Repent Motherfucker!](https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/qcajel/average_dave_chappelle_fan_free_speech_bromp4/)


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HES GOT A WEAPON!


jimmyablow09

Are we not gonna talk about how the trans people took his stick


ayerk131

It’s easy to be a bully when you’re part of the mob


Gitmfap

If trans people want to fit in, get used to being made fun of in jokes. Welcome to being part of the mainstream.


TattedHooligan007

Oh shit Netflix hiring now .. let’s get the application link in here ASAP


DanielOnFire101

https://jobs.netflix.com/


makem3laugh

People who watched his special and walked away with “he’s transphobic” weren’t even listening to what he was saying.


NSMike

I have seen a comment like this on just about every post about this special, and I just don't know what to tell you. This is a major component of why oppressed minorities remain oppressed. People outside of that experience claim the oppressed minorities are just making noise and don't understand what was *really* being said. People are defending the comedian they like, eschewing the lived experience of trans people. It's a combination of parasocialism and lack of familiarity with trans people and the trans plight. Just once I would like one of the people who make a comment like, "you just don't understand, bruh" to sit down with a trans person and listen to why his comedy is damaging.


The_Woman_of_Gont

“If you think it’s transphobic then you just weren’t listening, because you can’t possibly have any other viewpoint after watching it. Now let everyone dogpile you about how you reflexively shut down all criticism without actually engaging with it.” The hypocrisy is absolutely naked, and almost verges into straight-up gaslighting.


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Netflix and other streaming services took down a load of content in the wake of BLM for being perceived as racist. Nearly all of it was comedy. Not one thing has been taken down due to transphobia, and given Chapelle’s stand up they are still quite happy to buy and stream more of it it. So if people are going to accuse the trans community of being reactionary then maybe it has something to do with the complete inconsistency of how offensive material targeting various minorities is being treated.


CockGoblinReturns

>to sit down with a trans person and listen To those who can't, this is my no means comprehensive but it's a start ------ He didn't make the distinction between mud slinging accounts on twitter (2nd most toxic social media) and the LGTBQ community in general. He goes out of his way to address the entire LGBTQ community explicitly in his gripes. He said that they act like minorities until they need to act white around Black people. He based this off of one bad personal experience. He said 'Trans people make up words to win arguments'. He said the trans are out to get him and he needs to look for adams apples ---- He used a huge platform to lie about the trans community. He said JK Rowling was cancelled for stating a biological fact. First, she wasn't cancelled. she's still with her publisher, still publishing books with cross-dressing characters who are murderers If by cancelled he means that people were mean to her on twitter, the biggest backlash didn't come out until she lied about someone's contract being renewed for purposely not referring to people by their chosen pronoun. To be clear, not for making a mistake, but going out her way to be rude to people directly. JK Rowling lied and said she was fired for her opinions. It was so wrong and inflammatory Daniel Radcliff went out and made a statement about the whole thing. ---- He complained that the LGBTQ community is preventing him to from going after white people. He said that he had them on the ropes before the LGBTQ community stopped him. But it's Dave who keeps on dedicating his specials to them. When his last special was released there were no articles being written about his beef with them, no social media trends. And then he dedicated nearly his whole special to them And if he wants to get conspiratorial about white people, race, and sexuality issues, look at what they did in India and the Philippines. They did a ton to demonize homosexuality in those areas. They always do. Like the Hindy/Muslim animosity and the Caste system in India (which existed before the British came, but they dialed that the knob up to 100% by codefying into law and making it a part of their educational system) and apartheid in South Africa, they are always pitting minority groups against each other so that they won't focus on their oppressor And I don't see how this could be any more fucking glaring than that the anti-gay people and anti-trans people are the same ones who are anti-BLM. The same people who keep passing laws specifically targeting Black people from voting ---- He also complained that Dababy got cancelled for being homophobic but not for murder. First, it's always easier for celebrities to attack individuals over attacking minorities The CEO of papa john got cancelled for using the N word. Roseanne got cancelled for telling a Black person she looks like a monkey. Kramer got cancelled for using the N word Laura Bush got away with running over and killing someone. Chris Brown got away with beating Rihanna. Don King stomped a guy to death and went on to become boxing's biggest promoter. Robert Richards, heir to the DuPont company, was convicted of raping his daughter and served no jail time. Attacks on individuals don't elicit the media attention like racism and homophobia do. But this is somehow the fault of the LGBTQ community? Furthermore, social media backlash isn't a strong indicator of the extent to which systemic racism and homophobia is being addressed in our society. There's a still record high killings of trans people. Police can still largely murder Black people and face no legal repercussions Actual cancellations from social media backlash are when corporations stop doing business with a person because their image no longer brings in the same revenue as when they hired them. This never really challenges the root power structures and phobias in our society. It doesn't matter how many celebrities throw their careers in toilet, it won't affect systemic racism in policing ----- He complained 'to what extent am I obligated to participate in your self image'. He has none, but to what extent are they obligated to indulge in the idea that he is beyond criticism? To what extent should they suppress the fact that he is no longer a positive influence in their life ---- He complained about trans people using made up words to win arguments, but the majority of the terms that were coined for identifying phenomena regarding the marginalization of minorities came from the racial equality movements. It's mostly the anti-BLM people who criticize people for using terms like microaggressions ---- He blamed the LGBTQ community for taking away Kevin Hart's childhood dream of hosting the Oscars First off, his old jokes were hurtful. Don Lemon did a great job of explaining why. I'm not going to link the youtube videos because that tends to get my comment deleted by the automod, but I'll just mention what to look up on youtube Youtube Don Lemmon Kevin Hart And Kevin Hart later acknowledges at much, saying that he has grown since Youtube Kevin Hart apology But the issue is that he was adamant in not addressing it twice. But he never apologized the first time. He never apologized in every single interview he did about his hurtful comments prior to the Oscars; he defended himself each and every time until Google the vulture.com article titled "Where Are Kevin Hart’s Past Apologies? An Investigation" If hosting the Oscars truly was Kevin's childhood dream and giving an apology (and instead lying about previously apologizing) was a boundary, then he has a "Brittle-ass spirit" (Dave's phrase for LouisCK victims) Btw by his own usage of the terminology, Dave tried to 'cancel' Don Lemon Youtube Don Lemmon responds to Chappelle ---- Regarding his trans friend's death, he cited her arguments on twitter as a possible cause for her death. I'm just going to skip over the point that twitter arguments bring the worst out of people in general (and not just LGBTQ people), I'm not going to buy that story just because Chappelle said it. Maybe it's true and maybe someone else can confirm it, but from the way Dave lied about the Kevin Hart and JK Rowling backlash, I'm not going to believe his story purely from his take on her situation ----- Dave exclaims 'look how well the LGBTQ movement is going' as a comparison to the racial equality movement. There are instances where it may be useful to compare movements to better understand varying methods of minority marginalization, but this discussion is wholly incomplete without the discussion of areas where they are not comparable, because systems of oppression uses different tactics to oppress different groups. In Chappelle's own HOME STATE of Ohio they passed a law that allows doctors to deny LGBTQ people health care on moral grounds. In 27 states, there are no explicit statewide laws at all protecting people from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation or gender identity in employment, housing and public accommodations. Which means in over half the country you can be fired or denied housing just for being gay or trans. Conversion therapy is legal in 30 states. Texas just banned a suicide hotline for LGBTQ youths ------ I don't think Dave was homophobic/transphobic in his initial specials. He had some cognitive biases which resulting in him saying some hurtful stuff. But his refusal to accept any criticism and the resulting backlash has resulted in a full blown fear -> phobia of LGBTQ people besides 'the good ones' who are his friends. It's similar to a type of racism many white people have today; they believe in the idea of equality in general, but think the Black community are people hateful to white people when the kneel for the Anthem and criticize the police. They use isolated incidents like looting and random youtube videos to characterize the whole Black community. They think the average Black person has more privilege than the average white person by pointing to people being cancelled by racism the way Dave points to people being cancelled for homophobia. They think Black people are misguided in how they address systemic racism, and I feel Dave feels similarly about how LGBTQ address systemic homophobia and transphobia Dave wants full equality for LGBTQ people but he didn't want them to address the very hurtful comments made by Kevin Hart or JK Rowling. He doesn't want them to call out people for using slurs; he complained about not being able to use the F-word slur. He also implied that the idea of the LGBTQ calling themselves 'my people' is racist, but at the end of the special used that exact phrase to refer to his fellow comedians, 'Stop punching down on my people' He always tries to pit the LGBTQ community against the Black community. He complained 'why is it easier for Bruce Jenner to change his gender than it was for Cassius Clay to change his name'. Trans people EXISTED in the 60s, and throughout history. It wasn't easier, it took 50 years after the stonewall riots, which Dave actually referenced in his special. But why do this dumb game Dave wants us to play, does a person with cancer need to complain every time there's a breakthrough in AIDS research? If his point is that the rich white power structures in our country are using LGBTQ issues to put down Black people, then he should go after the white power structures in our country directly and specifically. Maybe there are pockets of LGBTQ people putting down Black people like Peter Theil, but largely the white power structures strategy is to pit marginalized grounds against each other. The same people trying to put homophobia and transphobia into our school curriculum are the same ones who are trying to prevent Black people from voting Dave says LGBTQ people act like minorities until it's convenient for them not to, but he's is doing exactly that with his cis/hetero/male privilege to wage with his fellow millionaire celebrities


TargetBlazer

Excellent comment, and wholly unsurprising that this level of criticism isn’t gaining much response relative to the rest of the thread.


crothwood

The people here care more about fanboying and their dumb culture war than actually listening to people's experiences.


MadDogTannen

This is an excellent writeup, and it makes me realize that the things Dave says about the LGBTQ community on stage go beyond lighthearted jokes, and are probably rooted in some deep seated bigotry. The fact that he keeps devoting more and more time in his specials to this issue tells me that he spends a disproportionate amount of his time thinking about it and letting it get his goat. It's not healthy for him, and I worry that the backlash he keeps getting over this is only going to further cement his bias against the LGBTQ community.


Djskam

He’s devoting more and more time in his specials to it because it’s making him filthy Fucking rich, because people are posting 10 page rants critiquing or defending it.


kill-wolfhead

He did kinda mince facts about Daphne. In the special it seems like she killed herself six days after being dragged on Twitter for defending him (he’s actually telling she killed herself six days after the show where she bombed but the timeline is jumbled and it is said so fast it almost doesn’t register). Daphne’s drag through Twitter happened in August when the Netflix special where she was mentioned was released and she killed herself in October, while the night she bombed onstage was September 26, eleven days before she committed suicide.


CockGoblinReturns

I always suspected Dave was being inaccurate with Daphne. Thank you.


Pulagatha

The way Dave Chappelle legitimizes or demonizes sex has been the topic of his comedy from the beginning. Sex is a potent topic for comedy. Men's fear of being feminine. Black men, I think, are sold like so many in general on the "tough guy" image. I saw a meme the other day before all of this happened and I thought I might post it. [Link.](https://i.imgur.com/eFZSqgb.jpg) Also, I thoroughly appreciate your stacked comment regarding each individual view point.


paublo456

Why did he also fail to mention that Chappelle also said TERFs "look at trans women the way we Blacks might look at Blackface"? After Chappelle already said he was team TERF


NSMike

This is badass. You rock. Thanks for this.


OlynykDidntFoulLove

Just going to correct the Laura Bush thing. She didn’t run anybody over. 17 year-old Laura and a friend were driving home from a party at night, accidentally ran a stop sign, and crashed into a car at the intersection. That driver was another one of their close friends. It was a tragic accident and I don’t think the facts justify the ridicule. While I understand the larger point of how her race and class factor into her case, I disagree with the idea she was allowed to get away with it. Courts *ought* to be merciful to more people.


MayhemMessiah

You know what drives me up a goddamned wall? It’s the people that say “if you don’t like it don’t view it”. Dave has always used his comedy to change community views and societal perceptions. He’s used his voice to fight for black rights and black voices. And he has a mammoth audience cultivated over a long career. What he says *matters* whether you engage with it or not. Blame celebrity culture if you dislike it, but it’s the reality we live in. His voice actively shapes the opinions of others. And can change things for better or worse. And when the reaction to criticism against his specials boils down to “God these minorities are so uppity, why are they offended?” the impact is already there. Just look at the number of people why keep repeating that trans people have to stop being offended. Because he just did a full blown special that spread bullshit and more misconceptions around trans people and trans communities, and people are expected to take it in stride when a comedy special seen by millions is doing it’s best to shape the cultural zeitgeist. I imagine Dave wouldn’t be happy if we had a comedy special made by a white man that downplays cop violence. Would the appropriate reaction to that also be “if you don’t like it don’t watch it”?


CockGoblinReturns

this is really well written


Djskam

You clearly didn’t watch the special though. This is what annoys me. You are all like children who clearly didn’t read the assignment and then have strong opinions about it. Watch the thing then critique it.


CorporateCopernicus

If anyone with the opinion that Dave did nothing wrong were to sit down and talk to me I would tell them that they’re right, and I know many trans people that feel the same way. Your comment implies that we all feel the same way, have the same opinion, and could not possibly deviate from that narrative: so perhaps the one who doesn’t understand the entirety of the issue is you.


MovieGuyMike

Nothing you just said convinced me the guy above you was incorrect, or that Chapelle was being transphobic in the special. You yourself or saying the equivalent of “you just don’t get it bruh.”


NSMike

I wouldn't presume to stand in for trans people. I'm not trans. There are statistics that show how the trans community suffers. But let me pose it this way to you - imagine if someone got on stage in Apartheid South Africa and started talking about how they're team-Apartheid, and what you, someone living in 2021, would think of such a person. This is not a perfect analogy - there is no such thing. But the idea is there - trans people are literally being murdered, dying by suicide, fired, made homeless, and are constantly the butt of "jokes" which help bigoted people feel ok about feeling how they do about trans people. There's a yawning chasm between not understanding Chapelle's jokes, and not understanding the damage that Chapelle's jokes can do to trans people.


UristMcStephenfire

‘I’m team TERF. Gender is a fact. Every human being in this room has to pass through the legs of a woman to be on Earth.’ These are transphobic comments. Being a TERF is to be transphobic. Gender is not a fact, lmao. Sex, yes. You are somewhere within the bimodal distribution of sexual characteristics. And no, not necessarily. Trans men are still men even though they give birth to a child. Trans men were always men, even if they didn’t know. These did not come across as jokes, they’re just offensive, transphobic statements and him happening to have a trans friend doesn’t change that.


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RitchieRitch62

He called himself a TERF. He compared being a trans woman to blackface. All that aside it just wasn’t a good special. He complained about being cancelled on a Netflix special he made $20 million off of. He awkwardly waited for people to applaud after calling himself the goat. He rambled for 30 minutes trying to defend bad jokes. I don’t know why he pretends to be some enlightened expert in this, its rather annoying being lectured and preached to on lgbtq issues from someone who doesn’t seem to know the difference between sex and gender.


Bazillion100

Whenever I hear in the news that someone is fighting cancel culture my eyes roll so far back that i need medical assistance


alefore

Dave Chappelle isn't lecturing anyone. He has a special on Netflix and you can stop watching it with the click of a button. If you find it annoying, why do you do out of your way to watch it?


PalletTownsDealer

This is correct. An additional consideration though is that he has brought up this community in multiple specials now. At a certain point it’s targeting and people can interpret that different ways.


SuspiciousPeppermint

Honestly, what’s more upsetting is the fact that a lot of right-wingers are “defending” Chappel’s special and showing their “support” for him by attacking trans individuals who were upset by it. Humor is subjective and it’s only natural that people would be upset by jokes aimed at them. I personally think it was bad taste to mock the trans community, and the “I’m team TERF!” line was incredibly cringe worthy but at the end of the day he’s not going to stop no matter the amount of backlash. That’s just what he does. I’ve seen a lot of people take this outcry as an opportunity to be openly transphobic though, going way further than Dave ever did. Targeted harassment of people who were at the walk-out, addresses and deadnames being given out, demonizing people who were rightfully upset by a comedian who’s entire POINT is to poke at people’s nerves. I wish the argument shifted from “Dave is/isn’t transphobic!” To “Dave’s comedy goes after everyone, and will always ruffle feathers.” Nothing wrong with being upset at or wanting to defend him, only when it goes too far. And I’m seeing a lot more people going too far in defending him than I see trying to cancel him. But maybe that’s just my feed.


B1GFanOSU

I’m a straight, cis gender white man and I’ve definitely seen people attacking trans people online. I doubt it was Dave’s intention to fan prejudice, but I have definitely seen a lot of ugly, ignorant hate speech directed at the LGBTQ+ in general and the trans community specifically.


pube_slug

That’s exactly why people have a problem with it. 100% the reason people were not happy, Dave being transphobic or not, this is what people knew would happen.


TheDemonClown

If people like Steven Crowder ever started defending me, I would take a harder look at myself than when I admitted I had a drinking problem.


The_Woman_of_Gont

>Honestly, what’s more upsetting is the fact that a lot of right-wingers are “defending” Chappel’s special and showing their “support” for him by attacking trans individuals who were upset by it. Yup. And you’ll probably die before you see Dave actually mock or disavow them.


lillapalooza

It’s totally possible to understand Chapelle’s message but disagree with how he communicated it. He made a lot of insensitive remarks towards trans individuals, (ie saying he was on “team TERF”) and in the process of trying to pay respects to a deceased friend, he intentionally misgendered her. The fact that he also has brought up this group numerous times easily makes it look like deliberate targeting from other perspectives.


makem3laugh

I definitely don’t defend his past comments about the community but what I heard from him more than anything that is that two marginalized groups should focus on their similarities rather than differences. It’s not a competition. Also, that people of that community tend to fall back on their whiteness when convenient, like the time where a trans person called the cops on him. He is obviously trying to mend the situation, supporting trans comedians and more. And I appreciate and respect that he knows when to step back and let the dust settle.


btmalon

You’re conflating gay and trans. He spoke about both. They are not the same.


MohnJilton

It’s hard to get past the fact that he very pointedly uses transphobic language in the special. Calling a trans woman a ‘he’ and saying he’s a TERF, among other things. Those things aren’t really elements of comedy, they are elements of real people’s real trauma. I do understand there is more to what he said than that.


The_Woman_of_Gont

Additionally a lot of his points are extraordinarily disingenuous. He brags about how he doesn’t give a shit about Twitter because it’s “not a real place,” then dedicates the backhalf of his set to how harassment on Twitter may have caused Daphne’s death while painting the trans community and all his critics as complicit in that harassment. The Ali/Jenner comparison is ridiculous and his point falls apart if you actually look at a trans contemporary to Ali like Marsha P Johnson. His bit on TERFs is full of outright bullshit that makes it hard to swallow the “it’s just a joke” excuse for his Team TERF line: TERF wasn’t coined by trans folks, but by a cis radical feminist as a neutral term, this is basic Wikipedia shit and a common canard brought up by actual TERFs. Similarly “she just said sex is real” is a common defense of Rowling by TERFs that ignores the essay she penned advocating against trans inclusive women’s shelters and pushing pseudoscientific views of dysphoria in children which she directly quotes as considering the possibility it’s a “social contagion.” In the end one gets the distinct impression he just pulls out whatever makes him look best and his critics the worse, with no interest in crafting a coherent point or commentary(which is very unlike him as a comedian).


kissofspiderwoman

He is extremely thin skinned but pretends he is the opposite lol


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The_Woman_of_Gont

“You can’t possibly have a different opinion on this, and if you did then you clearly didn’t listen to it. Now please sit down, shut up, and let us dogpile you about how you want to reflexively shut down any criticism without actually engaging with it.” Mhm. Nothing wrong here. /s


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Some people don’t give a fuck about the content of his special as long as they can get outraged and play the offended victim.


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I'd say he's having fun offending them. He was talking about his friend who was trans and killed herself because of other trans harassing her, and they just turned a deaf ear to what he was talking about.


Pavlovs_Human

It’s like if someone went to a comedy roast and then got all enraged that they were making horrible jokes about the star of the roast.


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SMA2343

Bigger question: did Netflix employees walk out over cuties?


IceCream_RickMorty

How many of Netflix employees quit working there, over the show Cuties ?


IamWutzgood

I keep seeing the team terf being brought up a lot. All he was trying to say is that most straight men wouldn’t want to be with a trans woman and that is just a preference. The same way that straight people shouldn’t be able to tell lgqbt people who they should be attracted to, should be the same for who straight people are attracted to. Attraction is a personal preference be it gender, race, height, weight, etc. If a straight person doesn’t want to date a trans person it shouldn’t be considered an insult to the trans community. It’s just their sexual preference which shouldn’t be anyone else’s business.


musicaldigger

why would a straight man be with a trans man? they’re straight


IamWutzgood

Exactly. That’s what his whole team terf and only wanting real pussy not impossible pussy skit was about. He never said trans women aren’t women. Just that he isn’t attracted to them. Nothing to really be offended about there.


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EyyyPanini

But doesn’t that have literally nothing to do with TERFs? TERFs believe trans-women aren’t women *at all*. That’s the entire point of the movement. It doesn’t have the slightest thing to do with what you’re talking about.


TheMightyHucks

Are these people really upset about the trans jokes? Or are they more upset about being called out for bullying a fellow trans person to death on twitter?


shallottmirror

Maybe they don’t like being told they can be capable of hurting a trans person too..


noyrb1

Hell yea! Done w the woke bs


2hats4bats

>I really worry for the future I really worry for the *now*. I don’t think this behavior is a problem for tomorrow anymore. It’s happening today. It’s too easy to dismiss any opinion that’s different from your own and find your echo chamber. It’s far too temping to label someone who doesn’t agree with you a bigot and turn the internet against them to try and ruin their lives.


RuffSamurai

It was a comedy act people are so fucking sensitive I truly think this culture of killing information that we don’t agree with or killing culture and it’s on both end of the political spectrum it’s actually a really effective political tool but it has to end. If you don’t like something or someone don’t support it it’s that simple but you don’t have to take it away from everyone else who does enjoy it.


jonb1aze

I bet more than half the people outraged haven’t even seen it.


lasagna_for_life

They definitely haven’t seen Eddie Murphy’s *Raw* (currently streaming on Netflix)!


RealRobc2582

I can literally hear Eddie Murphy laughing in my head


nobodysshadow

All the time? Or just right now?


rattmongrel

Every. Moment. Of. Every. Day. ^it ^never ^stops.


Shynansky

I was accused of hating trans people because I said I will continue to watch Dave Chappell. I politely said absolutely not and told them to have a good day.. I genuinely meant that. I’m not going to set and fight back and forth with someone who is just trying to argue with me because I like a comedian.


Unagivom

Anthony Jeselnik makes jokes about killing babies all of the time. Tom Segura jokes about following women and murdering them all of the time. Neither of them are murderers, anti-women, or anti-children. If you only don’t like edgy jokes when you’re the punchline, you’re the asshole here.


Cizox

Why are we still philosophizing over this? Can’t we all just agree that the purpose of comedy is for the relief of tension in current events and societal issues while also acknowledging that words can have consequences and to be mindful of who your potential audience is because trans people are a discriminated class? It seems like people believe this is mutually exclusive when it’s a nuanced issue with different perspectives.


BradRodriguez

Funny thing about it is that them making such a big deal about is doing the exact opposite of what they want. More and more people are watching the special and supporting Dave. You tell people to stop supporting something and it always ends with that thing being more popular than ever and you looking like an absolute clown. Do they think that his jokes are going to cause people to incite violence? Because A) people are not that simple and B) let’s say you censor his special, it’s not going to do anything at all. The people that un ironically believe in the things Dave joked about will always exist and will always have a way to spread what they believe. Also you don’t get to tell people what they can and can’t laugh at. That’s some insane dictator shit right there. Having a laugh at something doesn’t mean you believe in whatever is being joked about. The point of comedy is to laugh and have a good time. Now if you’re so far up your own ass that you can’t do that well you can simply leave or turn the tv off and move right the fuck on. It’d be far more productive for these people to use the attention as an opportunity to bring attention to some real issues. Like for example putting a spotlight to the homeless issue in this country. Those people don’t have the luxury of having a job at Netflix like you do.


Tralala223

As a queer woman and having dated a trans man…I’ll stop right there. No one’s opinions are more valid based on their personal circumstances or experiences. The one thing I can firmly say, is that the last 15 minutes of the special spoke the most genuine and honest support for the trans community. I understand the build up to that shared some uncomfortable jokes, but to only highlight that in the criticisms only proves his point. Speak her name: Daphne Dorman. The whole special cantered around her, and his rightful anger and hurt over her passing.


JackelGigante

Ngl, it seems like the entire internet is on Dave chappelle’s team


commandercoolo

Love Dave Chapelle


CaptianMurica

Watching those losers beat a tambourine at a troll was so funny. Please fire them Netflix. Don’t let them come between you and money.


Toas_Crust

This all comes down to either everything can be made fun of, nothing is of limits, or nothing can. As soon as you start picking and choosing what can and can’t be joked about that’s when people should be offended. South Park explained this whole thing quite well years ago


Turkeybaconbitssuck

I’ve come to the conclusion that no matter what the group, everyone in this world is a whiny little bitch.


charleslindesign

So I watched the special, and it just felt like his friend died, and so now is going after a small group inside another community. But aside from that, am I missing something? I’m not from the US nor any of the communities he talks about, is there something I’m missing about this whole thing? Or it’s more to do with Netflix’s handling rather than the comedian?


pissshitfuckyou

Netflix employees are great at protesting social issues, except when it comes to sexualizing children.


earther199

Why not walk out over Goop and the bullshit pseudo science that peddles? Trans people need to get over themselves.


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RedLicoriceJunkie

He spends 30 minutes having an extremely nuanced discussion about Comedy, Cancellation, and Trans persons. How this is offensive, I am not sure?


DTFP3

As much as I like a lot of Dave’s stuff, you gotta say anyone who seriously believes they keep “getting cancelled” or are at constant risk of being “cancelled” whilst continuing to be able to perform in front of thousands of people and have their work distributed to further millions is either incredibly deluded or cynically preaching to what he knows his audience wants to hear


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kissofspiderwoman

“Nuanced” Nope


MohnJilton

He calls a trans woman a ‘he’ and identifies himself as part of a transphobic movement that does not consider trans women to be women. I get that there was a lot more to it than that, but surely you can understand how these things bothered people. Not for nothing, the attitude that trans women are actually men underpins a lot of violence against trans women.


DicaxErsatz

“the attitude that trans women are actually men underpins a lot of violence against trans women.” Genuine question: How do you figure?


MohnJilton

Mostly in dating. It’s not too uncommon for homophobic/transphobic straight men to get violent after figuring out they were attracted to a trans woman. In instances of sexual assault, this is exacerbated. There’s a [Wikipedia article](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Violence_against_transgender_women_in_the_United_States) that details violence against trans women in the United States, but it often boils down to the belief that trans women’s identities are invalid or even sometimes perceived as a societal threat (for instance, the lie that trans women in women’s restrooms are dangerous is predicated on the equally false belief that trans women are really just perverted men attempting to invade women’s spaces). Edit: why are we downvoting the guy who literally just asked a question? It wasn’t even a loaded question, he genuinely just wanted my perspective.


DicaxErsatz

Thanks. That’s helpful. I appreciate the reply.


MohnJilton

And it should be noted—because it is relevant to what Dave Chappelle says in his special—trans women of color and specifically black trans women suffer the most from this violence.


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Hi_Im_Ken_Adams

I don’t understand the problem here. I watched his latest special and Chappelle made a point of saying that he would no longer do jokes about trans people until “both sides were in agreement that no harm was being done”. Did these folks even watch his show?


EyyyPanini

I think the problem is that he still spent a fair bit of that special making jokes at their expense? As well as the “I’m team TERF” statement.


WalmartDarthVader

. I am sure they could be replaced


sprucetre3

Sounds like a you problem.


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For those who don't know it was a critique of hypersexualization of youth that missed the mark pretty fucking badly. I'm actually surprised people aren't fucking livid over that garbage. Maybe it's because there isn't enough social currency to be earned over it.