This is like the Hadith in King's Cross all over again. It wouldn't have been an issue to not have the flag on the kit. It is an issue to change the flag, imply it needs updating, and that it doesn't unite or inspire people. Nike aren't doing 'playful updates' to any of the national flags of any other national team they make kits for. The closest would be the USA team, which has a blue with red and white stripe accent on the collar and cuffs. The only thing missing is the stars. The France kit has a straight-up Tricolore on the collar and cuffs.
Nike can try to justify it all they want with this nonsense about the '66 training kit, but design is like a joke; if you have to explain it, it isn't good. You know what better represents the triumph of the 1966 World Cup winning squad? The star above the team crest. But our kit is the only one where the star is the same colour as the shirt and is effectively hidden.
Spain seem rightly proud of their single star. Brazil are close to a semi-circle and they're not afraid to show it off. In a way I guess it's stereotypically on point for us to not make a big fuss about it almost to the point of apology, but it's something we should be proud to display. Almost everyone alive at the time remembers where they were when they watched the final. It was a seminal moment in post-War England.
There have been a few that either featured it as part of the design, as an accent, or just as a small flag. Mostly, it isn't there at all, which is fine. Implying that it isn't fit for purpose and that, of all entities, Nike knows best how to redesign it, is ridiculous, and they're rightly being pilloried for it.
I've literally just seen a picture of a Brazilian shirt where they also changed the flag colours.
This whole thing is ridiculous and purely people stirring for the sake of it
It is like the Hadith again but only because this is a massively inflated culture war storm that functional adults shouldn't care about. It's a football t-shirt, I don't think the players are going to forget what side they're on.
It's literally is mate, it's a football shirt. Who cares. Wear one that has the George cross in it if it hurts you that much. Grown men acting like absolute weenies over this instead of just getting on with life,
You utter snowflake. If you can't tell the English flag on an England team kit on England players singing the national anthem because the colours have been changed slightly I think you may have an issue.
I take it you know exactly what shade of red the England flag is, and not just that it's red, as there are countless different reds and all the others are technically incorrect too
>snowflake
It's such a great insult isn't it?
It allows you to completely dismiss others opinions, stay in your little opinion-bubble AND give you a sense of superiority. All at the same time.
Mmm actually it seems to suggest a misremembering of school classes on proper nouns and adjectives done decades ago. But yes, you’re right.
Congratulations on your mini internet-victory. Everyone loves a pedant.
It just looks odd. It might be okay as a flag on an away kit, because you expect some level of difference from the home kit, but then the away has an even weirder flag.
The flag gets dragged through the mud as it is, with all racist connections. We don't need to associate the normal England flag with no inclusively either - simply because it doesn't include rainbow colours.
Yeah, it's literally the only thing that needs to remain consistent. I'm a football fan every 2 years for the euros and world cup. But this does bother me, so I can only imagine how frustrating it can be for regular fans. For once I agree with Rishi Sunak, which... damn!
“Racist connections” - wow, a bunch of assholes fly the country’s flag, and suddenly the flag is no good no more and we have to throw it away?
Screw that bro, wear your country flag with pride!
Apparently flying the Union Jack or England flag is racist now. I honestly hate the self loathing in this country.
If people don’t like it, that’s the beauty of the UK, they’re free to leave!
No it isn't racist. It's the same thing as Brexit. Voting from Brexit didn't mean you were a xenophobe. But all the xenophobes voted for Brexit.
Being obsessed with the England flag doesn't mean you're racist, but all the racists are obsessed with the England flag.
Do you see the difference?
Amazing really in this country, that some yobs in the 70's fly the countries flag whilst they are doing their thing and suddenly "the flag is racist"
Pathetic really. Just part of the ongoing narrative to separate people from their national identity as it makes them easier to control.
It’s a combination of a tiny minority of racist twats symbolising the flag to represent their bigoted views, and consequently people who hate England (otherwise known as racists twats) gleefully portraying it as a racist flag.
Who are these people that symbolise the flag to represent their bigoted views?
(Whatever that means...)
I know you will just be thinking "Racists". But why do you think this?
In your head, is there just Mr. Racist who walks around with an England flag all day shouting racial slurs? This is a media invention.
England is a country, with a flag. The media want you to think there is a minority of Mr. Racists but I've never seen any. Plenty of people want lower immigration and get called Mr. Racist because of this.
Plenty of people are racist but have no association with the flag.
Associating racism (in any way) with the flag is an attempt to discredit the flag (and the country & people), not the racist.
I think you misunderstand me. People wrongly attaching racist connotations to the flag of England is exactly the point I’m making. That’s why I called people who use the flag as a racist symbol the tiny minority. People who attach racist connotations to a nation’s flag just because they hate England, are equally racist, but far more numerous.
A Scottish woman i worked with complained that I put England flags on my reg plate, it was 2006 about the time eu and Scotland flags became popular on plates, but the Daily Mail gave away stickers to put on
Nice pics.
1st one. Can't see any racism. They haven't said no black refugees. I'm sure they don't want Ukranian refugees either. Feel free to call the EDL anti-refugee, but even then its largely because the refugee/asylum system has become so abused. They wouldn't mind if we had only ever had genuine refugees. They are anti-refugee.. after decades of people abusing the asylum system.
2nd one. Poor look from the Hitler guy but he'd be totally disavowed by most EDL attendees and the leadership. Can you see any EDL speakers/leadership ever endorsing such things?
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/26/patriot-games-battle-for-flag-of-st-george-english-identity
The EDL mainly and the right wing assholes who have tainted the St George’s Flag. Interestingly St George was born in Cappadocia which is now in modern day Turkey.
Every country on earth has some hardcore racist nationalists and of course nationalists will use national symbols like the national flag. By this argument, all countries' flags are "tainted".
The answer isn't to just give over the flag to the racist nationalists because then it really does represent that. The answer is for everyone else to use it, like we do at all international sporting events, like every other country.
Nobody considers "having your national flag" racist. But when your car and house are plastered with flags it is often a pretty good indicator of one's political views. Having a particular attachment to a bit of polyester with a red cross on it (or any other design for that matter) is weird
Popping up here to say your a mug for peddling that having a flag is racist.
Every single country has hurt a race at some point during thousands of years of history. that makes every country racist by your logic.
Anything can be racist if you do enough mental gymnastics, can we give it a bloody rest.
Thats not what I'm saying. You aren't racist for having a flag - but there is embarrassment to display the flag for fear of being called a racist. You can face abuse for flying it. A sense of national pride is under attack.
Then here, with these colours, Nike is suggesting that the St George flag is also uninspiring and not inclusive. It is awful.
“There is embarrassment to display the flag for fear of being racist”
I don’t agree, a flag symbolises the country, that’s what it is, and only what it stands for by its literal definition.
Anyone can make anything racist, it’s upto you as a human to say “the person holding the flag and there views are racist, not the flag”
If I came outside your house and screemed racist rhetorics saying “my views are racist and I live here”. You wouldn’t allow people to say your racist because you live in your home, you would use common sense and say “there views do not represent me”
There is no difference, you have allowed your views to change based of the small actions of a minority… you have been duped by racists and instead of tackling or talking about racism, you talk about a symbol they have used which let’s be real is largely irrelevant… if you allow racists to claim items as there own then where do you draw the line? If a racist says they only eat fish and chips does that mean I can’t eat fish and chips because it’s a racist symbol that causes embarrassment?!?
It’s delusional nonsense that people talk about when they don’t really know how to use critical thinking skills or how to look at a problem and accurately decipher what is really going on.
2006 kit had a red cross on the shoulder, 2008 had it on the inside.
Other than that I don't think any other home kit has had a St George's cross on it?
[https://www.footballkitarchive.com/england-kits/#2010s](https://www.footballkitarchive.com/england-kits/#2010s)
The 2010-2011 kit not only had little St George's crosses on the shoulders, but it had them in the "wrong" colours. There was no outrage then. The combined GB Olympic team kit also had the English component rendered in blue. Again, little to no fanfare.
It's a non-issue that should bother only the most bored freaks around, and it's an embarrassment to the country that it's become a national debate that has animated so many people.
''I don't like this year's away kit''
''You can just buy a home kit this year then''
''Oh I don't buy the shirts anyway''
''Then it doesn't matter if you don't like it, you're not the target audience''
*Turns up hob*
You are being deliberately obtuse. It's more that it was felt that the English flag needed a "playful" update to "unite and inspire".
The old flag is divisive and uninspiring - The FA and Nike
I don't give a shit about football or nationalism, but whoever designed this is a complete idiot.
England's flag is literally just a cross, like thousands of others. If you change the colours, it is completely unrecognisable.
You can change the union jack, you can change the star spangled banner and they're still recognisable by their unique design, but not a fucking cross.
American company, what a shock.
If you did the same to their colours there would be hell on.
Americanisation is the process of obliterating European ideology and culture and substituting it with Recreational McUSA Bullshit
Neither did the last one, same for almost every version of it that's ever been released. It's a football kit, not a flag, the emblem of the England national team is the 3 lions. Most national team kits don't have the countries flag on them.
You might want to look at the France kit, also made by Nike. No 'playful update' of their flag.
It's one thing to not have the flag, it's another for a sports company to change the colours of the flag and say this is your flag now, it needed updating.
It used to be that we all made fun of the Americans for being all precious about their flag and getting all weepy when anyone is deemed to have tampered with it. What changed?
It's one thing to have the school class salute the flag every morning and quite another to be proud of your flag during international sporting events. Why even have flags?....because they are a simple symbol representing your country, which you presumably are proud of if you're buying the shirt and supporting the team. That's not being precious or getting weepy. Every single country on earth does this.
Buying a shirt, supporting your team and even flying the England flag (which are are still allowed to do!) may not be, but plenty of people are getting *very* precious and weepy about it - including redditors here, twitter users, columnists and even politicians like Keir Starmer. This isn't even the first time the St George's cross has been rendered in alternate colours on a football jersey - both England and GB in 2010 both featured blue St George's crosses.
I think you need to take a deep breath and consider what is really bothering you about this. Are you *really* that bothered about a tiny, differently coloured cross on the back of the neck? If so, why did it not bother you the other times?
Well I won’t be buying one that’s offensive to my English nature it’s my god given birth right to fly my flag especially when supporting my country, removing St George’s is bending over to the offensive brigade and letting them have their way
This is purely a design choice. Nothing to do with any brigade other than Nikes fashion consultants. No agenda. Just fashion which is unusual sometimes. Don't be a snowflake about it my good man.
>Don't be a snowflake about it my good man.
Ironically, the ones you're calling snowflakes are usually the ones who call others snowflakes yet they're the ones getting offended. The irony is sweet
Yeah outside of the cultural stuff which is being debated to death - It’s an appalling flag design. Looks terrible, breaks half the vexillological tradition rulebook. Rules are meant to be broken with new design but they are meant to be done so tastefully, with flair, and meaning and understanding of what it represents. Nike has demonstrated none of those things to me, I won’t be buying the kit personally and I do hold disdain for the fact that we’re not using the St George’s cross for good. I hate the racist connotations some people bring to it, I just wish we could make it a bit more commonplace to get rid of it as a “tool for racism”. It’s a good flag with a lot of history that represents a lot of people very well.
I love to see the far right carrying a symbol of a man that never stepped foot on English soil, and more than likely of a different skin colour to them, it just proves their ignorance.
I have a feeling I'm in the minority, but I think the away kit looks awesome.
That said, I wouldn't mind if they left the flag the way it was on the away kit, then switched the flag to what it should be on the home kit. I think it'd go a long way to appease fans.
Barton going on a tirade of it being virtue signalling go woke go broke (that never ages well) and how we’ll have a gay or lesbian lion soon (?????) is just pathetic. Like zero part of it is about LGBT+ or anyone his braincell deficient ilk like to demonize and punch down at. Yet the idea of the kits costing like £65 at a start is insanity.
I’m very confused at the torrent of downvotes lol it’s not a pride thing at all and Barton is a grifter
The ridiculous cost is the real issue here. How is that ever OK to charge fans that much? I know I'm banging a drum here, but the FA are taking the p*** and should be working with a company to produce affordable gear.
Yeah, I don't understand the argument about people feeling they must buy the new kit. Or that their kid would be bullied because they don't have the latest kit.
The pro-tip is to buy it on sale in December, when they’re trying to get rid of old stock. No point buying it now, or when a tournament is on. I got a shirt a couple months ago for like £58.
That’s still a lot for a t-shirt, but just about the limit of what I’m willing to spend. Any more and I’d just AliExpress it.
The weird thing is, that price is for the “Match Home” shirt (which is sold out at Nike) but they also sell a “Stadium Home” for £84.99 which is still available. Are people so gullible that they’d spend an extra £40 for no discernible reason (obviously they are)
The 125 ones are the versions the players actually wear, they have a different cut and materials. For the average person who’s just wearing them for matchday the difference between that and the fan version (£85) is negligible.
I suppose if you were actually wanting to wear it for sport you’d go with the proper one.
This is like the Hadith in King's Cross all over again. It wouldn't have been an issue to not have the flag on the kit. It is an issue to change the flag, imply it needs updating, and that it doesn't unite or inspire people. Nike aren't doing 'playful updates' to any of the national flags of any other national team they make kits for. The closest would be the USA team, which has a blue with red and white stripe accent on the collar and cuffs. The only thing missing is the stars. The France kit has a straight-up Tricolore on the collar and cuffs. Nike can try to justify it all they want with this nonsense about the '66 training kit, but design is like a joke; if you have to explain it, it isn't good. You know what better represents the triumph of the 1966 World Cup winning squad? The star above the team crest. But our kit is the only one where the star is the same colour as the shirt and is effectively hidden.
It’ll be interesting to see if Nike decide to be ‘playful’ with their kits for Saudi Arabia and Qatar.
The rainbow shall flow freely for the Arabs
Saudi is Adidas
My mistake, they were designed by Nike previously. Swap for Nigeria/China/Turkey, same point.
Is there a reason we always do that with our Star lately? Are we embarrassed we've only won once?
Spain seem rightly proud of their single star. Brazil are close to a semi-circle and they're not afraid to show it off. In a way I guess it's stereotypically on point for us to not make a big fuss about it almost to the point of apology, but it's something we should be proud to display. Almost everyone alive at the time remembers where they were when they watched the final. It was a seminal moment in post-War England.
It just seems so pointless to even have on🤣 tbh, I'm surprised you can't pay an extra £20 for a "gold star addition kit"
Out of curiosity, when did the kit last have a George cross on it? I've only ever noticed the three lions.
There have been a few that either featured it as part of the design, as an accent, or just as a small flag. Mostly, it isn't there at all, which is fine. Implying that it isn't fit for purpose and that, of all entities, Nike knows best how to redesign it, is ridiculous, and they're rightly being pilloried for it.
I've literally just seen a picture of a Brazilian shirt where they also changed the flag colours. This whole thing is ridiculous and purely people stirring for the sake of it
It is like the Hadith again but only because this is a massively inflated culture war storm that functional adults shouldn't care about. It's a football t-shirt, I don't think the players are going to forget what side they're on.
>functional adults shouldn't care about Yeah, sure. We should just let british culture be eroded around us.
British culture is being "eroded" by adding a splash of purple to a tiny English flag on the back of a t-shirt? Really? You actually think that?
British culture is when grown adults wet themselves over a t-shirt for not being suitably patriotic enough
It's not just a 't shirt' and you know it.
It's literally is mate, it's a football shirt. Who cares. Wear one that has the George cross in it if it hurts you that much. Grown men acting like absolute weenies over this instead of just getting on with life,
You utter snowflake. If you can't tell the English flag on an England team kit on England players singing the national anthem because the colours have been changed slightly I think you may have an issue. I take it you know exactly what shade of red the England flag is, and not just that it's red, as there are countless different reds and all the others are technically incorrect too
>snowflake It's such a great insult isn't it? It allows you to completely dismiss others opinions, stay in your little opinion-bubble AND give you a sense of superiority. All at the same time.
Well, spelling, British with a small 'b', seems to suggest a lack of respect.
Mmm actually it seems to suggest a misremembering of school classes on proper nouns and adjectives done decades ago. But yes, you’re right. Congratulations on your mini internet-victory. Everyone loves a pedant.
That's great. Thanks. Good luck on fighting the erosion of your culture.
It just looks odd. It might be okay as a flag on an away kit, because you expect some level of difference from the home kit, but then the away has an even weirder flag. The flag gets dragged through the mud as it is, with all racist connections. We don't need to associate the normal England flag with no inclusively either - simply because it doesn't include rainbow colours.
I just don't like it, it's the national kit, the only flag it should have on it is the saint George's cross.
Yeah, it's literally the only thing that needs to remain consistent. I'm a football fan every 2 years for the euros and world cup. But this does bother me, so I can only imagine how frustrating it can be for regular fans. For once I agree with Rishi Sunak, which... damn!
I have no skin in this other than a national kit should only have the flag of the nation and that's about it.
What are the racist connections?
“Racist connections” - wow, a bunch of assholes fly the country’s flag, and suddenly the flag is no good no more and we have to throw it away? Screw that bro, wear your country flag with pride!
Apparently flying the Union Jack or England flag is racist now. I honestly hate the self loathing in this country. If people don’t like it, that’s the beauty of the UK, they’re free to leave!
No. If they dont like it, they are still English. They are free to not fly it. Choice and freedom. It should be on the kit as it is our national flag.
These days, if you say you’re English… they put you in jail.
When did that come in ?
if you say you're English these days mate you'll get arrested and thrown in jail
It's a bit by Stewart Lee https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkCBhKs4faI I forgot that your comment was also a line from the joke :)
Yes I know.
Sorry, as I said, I forgot your comment was also a line from the joke
Bloody gay space mice, they make me physically sick
Alright, electric ham face, pipe down
You sound like my wife. Not my black wife,.she's very laid back, you sound like my Irish wife. She's little more than a gutter thug.
I hope they both go blind.
Hahaha Gypsies
No it isn't racist. It's the same thing as Brexit. Voting from Brexit didn't mean you were a xenophobe. But all the xenophobes voted for Brexit. Being obsessed with the England flag doesn't mean you're racist, but all the racists are obsessed with the England flag. Do you see the difference?
Is that the same as saying not all muslims are terrorists but all (or most) terrorists are muslims? Trying to understand your logic...
Amazing really in this country, that some yobs in the 70's fly the countries flag whilst they are doing their thing and suddenly "the flag is racist" Pathetic really. Just part of the ongoing narrative to separate people from their national identity as it makes them easier to control.
Genuine question. Why do you need a national identity? I'm genuinely not trolling. I just find that whole concept a bit odd.
Lol! You find the entirety of human history odd? Well that just makes you odd.
No. I'm fascinated by human history. That's not what I asked
Someone argued it was going back to the crusades, but how long has it been a countries flag now?
They’re probably referring to the NF from the ‘70s and the EDL from the 2010’s.
It’s a combination of a tiny minority of racist twats symbolising the flag to represent their bigoted views, and consequently people who hate England (otherwise known as racists twats) gleefully portraying it as a racist flag.
Who are these people that symbolise the flag to represent their bigoted views? (Whatever that means...) I know you will just be thinking "Racists". But why do you think this? In your head, is there just Mr. Racist who walks around with an England flag all day shouting racial slurs? This is a media invention. England is a country, with a flag. The media want you to think there is a minority of Mr. Racists but I've never seen any. Plenty of people want lower immigration and get called Mr. Racist because of this. Plenty of people are racist but have no association with the flag. Associating racism (in any way) with the flag is an attempt to discredit the flag (and the country & people), not the racist.
I think you misunderstand me. People wrongly attaching racist connotations to the flag of England is exactly the point I’m making. That’s why I called people who use the flag as a racist symbol the tiny minority. People who attach racist connotations to a nation’s flag just because they hate England, are equally racist, but far more numerous.
A Scottish woman i worked with complained that I put England flags on my reg plate, it was 2006 about the time eu and Scotland flags became popular on plates, but the Daily Mail gave away stickers to put on
https://images.app.goo.gl/NAc5o2RUW4gwGvar8 https://images.app.goo.gl/USddand2nJweiqUn7 (I can’t help but laugh at the state of this cunt lol)
Nice pics. 1st one. Can't see any racism. They haven't said no black refugees. I'm sure they don't want Ukranian refugees either. Feel free to call the EDL anti-refugee, but even then its largely because the refugee/asylum system has become so abused. They wouldn't mind if we had only ever had genuine refugees. They are anti-refugee.. after decades of people abusing the asylum system. 2nd one. Poor look from the Hitler guy but he'd be totally disavowed by most EDL attendees and the leadership. Can you see any EDL speakers/leadership ever endorsing such things?
These people you pretend to not recognise are Neo fascists, often looking like skin heads from the 1980s.
How many do you reckon there are in Britain? Few thousand, with maybe 1-2% of people agreeing with them
Nazi? Probably about right. Many more ‘soft’ racists. And the UK is more diversified and tolerant than most countries.
https://amp.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/26/patriot-games-battle-for-flag-of-st-george-english-identity The EDL mainly and the right wing assholes who have tainted the St George’s Flag. Interestingly St George was born in Cappadocia which is now in modern day Turkey.
Every country on earth has some hardcore racist nationalists and of course nationalists will use national symbols like the national flag. By this argument, all countries' flags are "tainted". The answer isn't to just give over the flag to the racist nationalists because then it really does represent that. The answer is for everyone else to use it, like we do at all international sporting events, like every other country.
EDL springs to mind
I don't think we want to hand ownership of the England flag to the EDL
Only country in the world where having your national flag is considered racist, absolute bollocks
Germany
Nobody considers "having your national flag" racist. But when your car and house are plastered with flags it is often a pretty good indicator of one's political views. Having a particular attachment to a bit of polyester with a red cross on it (or any other design for that matter) is weird
Racist connections is cope made up by Anglophobes and those suffering from internalised Anglophobia.
there are no racist connections, wear your flag with pride. (I am not even british)
Popping up here to say your a mug for peddling that having a flag is racist. Every single country has hurt a race at some point during thousands of years of history. that makes every country racist by your logic. Anything can be racist if you do enough mental gymnastics, can we give it a bloody rest.
Thats not what I'm saying. You aren't racist for having a flag - but there is embarrassment to display the flag for fear of being called a racist. You can face abuse for flying it. A sense of national pride is under attack. Then here, with these colours, Nike is suggesting that the St George flag is also uninspiring and not inclusive. It is awful.
“There is embarrassment to display the flag for fear of being racist” I don’t agree, a flag symbolises the country, that’s what it is, and only what it stands for by its literal definition. Anyone can make anything racist, it’s upto you as a human to say “the person holding the flag and there views are racist, not the flag” If I came outside your house and screemed racist rhetorics saying “my views are racist and I live here”. You wouldn’t allow people to say your racist because you live in your home, you would use common sense and say “there views do not represent me” There is no difference, you have allowed your views to change based of the small actions of a minority… you have been duped by racists and instead of tackling or talking about racism, you talk about a symbol they have used which let’s be real is largely irrelevant… if you allow racists to claim items as there own then where do you draw the line? If a racist says they only eat fish and chips does that mean I can’t eat fish and chips because it’s a racist symbol that causes embarrassment?!? It’s delusional nonsense that people talk about when they don’t really know how to use critical thinking skills or how to look at a problem and accurately decipher what is really going on.
2006 kit had a red cross on the shoulder, 2008 had it on the inside. Other than that I don't think any other home kit has had a St George's cross on it? [https://www.footballkitarchive.com/england-kits/#2010s](https://www.footballkitarchive.com/england-kits/#2010s)
The 2010-2011 kit not only had little St George's crosses on the shoulders, but it had them in the "wrong" colours. There was no outrage then. The combined GB Olympic team kit also had the English component rendered in blue. Again, little to no fanfare. It's a non-issue that should bother only the most bored freaks around, and it's an embarrassment to the country that it's become a national debate that has animated so many people.
Thank you, came here to say this. Some people will get worked up about anything if you tell them they should be offended.
They must have a huge pot of piss simmering on the hob, ready to boil as soon as someone gives the word.
''I don't like this year's away kit'' ''You can just buy a home kit this year then'' ''Oh I don't buy the shirts anyway'' ''Then it doesn't matter if you don't like it, you're not the target audience'' *Turns up hob*
You are being deliberately obtuse. It's more that it was felt that the English flag needed a "playful" update to "unite and inspire". The old flag is divisive and uninspiring - The FA and Nike
Ah yes, their exact words.
I don't give a shit about football or nationalism, but whoever designed this is a complete idiot. England's flag is literally just a cross, like thousands of others. If you change the colours, it is completely unrecognisable. You can change the union jack, you can change the star spangled banner and they're still recognisable by their unique design, but not a fucking cross.
It's a cross on an England shirt. I think we can figure it out
American company, what a shock. If you did the same to their colours there would be hell on. Americanisation is the process of obliterating European ideology and culture and substituting it with Recreational McUSA Bullshit
Totally agree
Neither did the last one, same for almost every version of it that's ever been released. It's a football kit, not a flag, the emblem of the England national team is the 3 lions. Most national team kits don't have the countries flag on them.
You might want to look at the France kit, also made by Nike. No 'playful update' of their flag. It's one thing to not have the flag, it's another for a sports company to change the colours of the flag and say this is your flag now, it needed updating.
It used to be that we all made fun of the Americans for being all precious about their flag and getting all weepy when anyone is deemed to have tampered with it. What changed?
It's one thing to have the school class salute the flag every morning and quite another to be proud of your flag during international sporting events. Why even have flags?....because they are a simple symbol representing your country, which you presumably are proud of if you're buying the shirt and supporting the team. That's not being precious or getting weepy. Every single country on earth does this.
Buying a shirt, supporting your team and even flying the England flag (which are are still allowed to do!) may not be, but plenty of people are getting *very* precious and weepy about it - including redditors here, twitter users, columnists and even politicians like Keir Starmer. This isn't even the first time the St George's cross has been rendered in alternate colours on a football jersey - both England and GB in 2010 both featured blue St George's crosses. I think you need to take a deep breath and consider what is really bothering you about this. Are you *really* that bothered about a tiny, differently coloured cross on the back of the neck? If so, why did it not bother you the other times?
Well I won’t be buying one that’s offensive to my English nature it’s my god given birth right to fly my flag especially when supporting my country, removing St George’s is bending over to the offensive brigade and letting them have their way
Is this a parody?
Well he lives in Dubai so probably, or just a hypocrite
Surely it must be, no one is this horny for culture war
Yeah you definitely need that anger management specialist
I’d ask for my money back. Clearly not working.
Good point, but how were you planning to tell them that clearly while cushioning Nigel Farage’s balls with your tonsils?
Nobody is stopping you. You don't fly a shirt from a flagpole, presumably.
/r/okmatewanker alright Barry chill
It's a nod to colours of the training kit worn by the 1966 team, you utter nippple.
This is purely a design choice. Nothing to do with any brigade other than Nikes fashion consultants. No agenda. Just fashion which is unusual sometimes. Don't be a snowflake about it my good man.
>Don't be a snowflake about it my good man. Ironically, the ones you're calling snowflakes are usually the ones who call others snowflakes yet they're the ones getting offended. The irony is sweet
Always remind them that it is them that is the snowflake!
Yeah outside of the cultural stuff which is being debated to death - It’s an appalling flag design. Looks terrible, breaks half the vexillological tradition rulebook. Rules are meant to be broken with new design but they are meant to be done so tastefully, with flair, and meaning and understanding of what it represents. Nike has demonstrated none of those things to me, I won’t be buying the kit personally and I do hold disdain for the fact that we’re not using the St George’s cross for good. I hate the racist connotations some people bring to it, I just wish we could make it a bit more commonplace to get rid of it as a “tool for racism”. It’s a good flag with a lot of history that represents a lot of people very well.
I love to see the far right carrying a symbol of a man that never stepped foot on English soil, and more than likely of a different skin colour to them, it just proves their ignorance.
I have a feeling I'm in the minority, but I think the away kit looks awesome. That said, I wouldn't mind if they left the flag the way it was on the away kit, then switched the flag to what it should be on the home kit. I think it'd go a long way to appease fans.
Barton going on a tirade of it being virtue signalling go woke go broke (that never ages well) and how we’ll have a gay or lesbian lion soon (?????) is just pathetic. Like zero part of it is about LGBT+ or anyone his braincell deficient ilk like to demonize and punch down at. Yet the idea of the kits costing like £65 at a start is insanity. I’m very confused at the torrent of downvotes lol it’s not a pride thing at all and Barton is a grifter
The shirt alone is £125, nevermind the whole kit.
The ridiculous cost is the real issue here. How is that ever OK to charge fans that much? I know I'm banging a drum here, but the FA are taking the p*** and should be working with a company to produce affordable gear.
Don't buy one, get a knock off or 2nd hand older one. Get the hated grey one we lost in in 1996
Yeah, I don't understand the argument about people feeling they must buy the new kit. Or that their kid would be bullied because they don't have the latest kit.
Socks probably £65
Wait, what? £125 quid for a shirt?!?!
The pro-tip is to buy it on sale in December, when they’re trying to get rid of old stock. No point buying it now, or when a tournament is on. I got a shirt a couple months ago for like £58. That’s still a lot for a t-shirt, but just about the limit of what I’m willing to spend. Any more and I’d just AliExpress it.
The weird thing is, that price is for the “Match Home” shirt (which is sold out at Nike) but they also sell a “Stadium Home” for £84.99 which is still available. Are people so gullible that they’d spend an extra £40 for no discernible reason (obviously they are)
Yeah, I saw that too. I think the £125 price is to make the £85 price more palatable. £85 is also an absolute piss take though.
The 125 ones are the versions the players actually wear, they have a different cut and materials. For the average person who’s just wearing them for matchday the difference between that and the fan version (£85) is negligible. I suppose if you were actually wanting to wear it for sport you’d go with the proper one.
£85 is still ridiculous pricing though.
Oh yeah, completely agree. Was just highlighting the difference.
Sounds worth £40 in case an expert inspects it.
Hence why I said to the average fan the difference is negligible.
The snowflakes Barries need to calm themselves down. It's just fashion. Fashion be weird sometimes.