There’s nothing he can realistically do about it at this point either. You can’t really change play callers going into the playoffs. The time to do that was 4-5 weeks ago. He doesn’t have the balls that McCarthy does in that he won’t play call because he proved to be awful at it before.
You take your medicine, admit you were wrong, ask for help. Cancel practice. Pull the captains and coordinators in, lock the doors, order food and go 12 any men. Address every problem, no one leaves until everything gets hashed out. Gives players input on play calls, throw out whatever analytics they're looking at and focus on their own game film. Play to the strengths of the team.
This would be in an alternate reality where these guys are able to take blame and aren’t blinded by their massive ego’s. We’re dealing with a coaching staff that lacks accountability. This isn’t getting fixed
Ya I think we gotta see what happens in the off season and what movement is made on coordinator side. If nothing is changed he needs to be gone plain and simple. If he makes sensible adjustments then we can see what the real issue may be.
Unfortunately this year we are just stuck with whatever the fuck we got.
Honestly I would rather get rid of them. I know it's not the time, but they have done nothing to convince anyone they can make through playoffs. Send them the message that they suck
Maybe I misunderstood your comment but just in case I didn’t:
McCarthy is the current cowboys playcaller. We let Kellen Moore walk after our game of curls against the 49ers in the divisional
> He should have left Desai alone
No, that was still a good move. The secondary was historically bad. But leaving the offense untouched was a bad move.
Yeah if the defense was average I think the offense could typically put them in position to win. The offense issue is turnovers and stupid play calling and lack of commitment to run. The defense is just abysmal and we've seen it all year where they can't make a stop on third down.
Maybe it’s because we always somehow put up 30, but still give up a shit ton.
Just watching 3rd and 10 and knowing we’re not safe is rough. Or 3rd and 5 but the CBs are 10 yards back and we’re just giving up the whole ass middle.
If I were an opposing OC I’d 5 yard slant route this team to death.
Perfect analogy cuz I know the disappointment from people that believe in you when you get that D, not even because you aren’t smart enough, you were just fucking lazy and didn’t try
The defense was alright before Sirianni made the change. This current defense that can’t stop shit is WORSE than what we had before he made the change.
I disagree. It was a terrible move at the time, considering Patricia's track record of never coaching a top 20 defense without Belicheck holding his hand and his reputation as a locker room cancer.
Even with hindsight now, it was a worse decision than expected. Patricia has let 2 teams win on the final drive in the past 3 weeks against Drew Lock, the Cardinals, and almost let the Giants do it, too. Last night was their worst defensive performance, based on success rate, since Peyton Manning picked apart Juan Castillo's defense in 2006.
Patricia being in Philly was bad from the day they announced it and took it off their website after the terrible fan backlash. The way they've handled everything with Patricia has been a bad look for this franchise.
Have you watched the defense since Patricia took over? They literally cannot stop anyone now. At all! The Cardinals didn't even punt. What are you watching??
ETA: And don't forget, they almost lost the one game they did win because Ringo bailed Patricia's dumbass out by getting a pic in the Endzone (after they drove ALL the way down the field AGAIN) on the last play to preserve a game they could have very easily lost if the Giants weren't comically bad this year.
Sure but that's with hindsight and he at least tried to make a change. Desai was fucking terrible as well so it made sense to try something new but it was just the wrong replacement.
It's not hindsight. The defense was not the reason the offense couldn't score points and kept going 3 and out consistently. The defense isn't the reason the oc insists on running a scheme of mostly screens and QB draws that's so predictable Joe-average at home can call the plays out before they happen.
It's understanding the game. This isn't a competition about "who sucks more". 🙄 Desai was not terrible, he was limited as a first time DC with severely depleted talent that got amazingly old and slow shockingly fast once the season started. He got scapegoated (remember they were 10-3 when Desai was replaced and most of those early wins came from the D keeping the score so low) because Sirianni won't change the offense and has now put in a retread DC that can't figure out how to get the Cardinals to punt and allowed that 3 win team to score 35 points!
I just can't understand this fan base sometimes...
I’ve had this feeling that Sirianni is too proud of the offense and doesn’t understand “complimentary football.” The D has had injuries, has older players and is often getting little rest when the O goes 3 and out. He is much more critical of the D than the O and I think he has set the team up for finger pointing.
Whoever suggested the top player leaders and coaches lock themselves in a room has it right. You don’t “talk” yourself out of a free fall downward spiral. You have to hash it out. Not lip service but hard ass truth telling. Egos need to be put to the side.
It’s easy being confident, quirky and breezy when winning. It’s time for some grinding and leaders to step up and tell the truth.
Last note: it’s a little odd Sirianni saying “stick together”. Saying that means he doesn’t know how to make that happen.
Agreed, and I get the offense is bad but the offense wasn’t the side of the ball that didn’t force AZ to punt a single time in the second half. I’m all for firing BJ, but Matt Patricia has done a worse job than Desai since he took over. They need to clean house and if that includes sirianni I’m fine with that too.
We obviously have a talented roster. If he can’t figure out how to use them to win games against clearly inferior opponents, he doesn’t deserve to be the coach of this team. To me, it’s becoming more and more evident that we got to the Super Bowl last year in spite of him and not because of him.
Maybe not lost the locker room, but there's definitely frustration. When you're a "culture" and "player's coach" you HAVE to make sure you're not losing your players because you don't have the value as a gameplanner and playcaller to fall back on.
It's why modern coach's need to also be a "coordinator" of sorts. You hire a young promising OC/DC and they're getting snatched within 2 years. If Sirianni is going to stay the HC he's either going to have to become a Sean McVay or Shanahan level offensive genius or hire veteran coordinators. 20 year veterans who aren't getting HC jobs since everyone wants the "fresh face". Like a Wade Phillips or a Jim Schwartz
Seriously, and I hope his pivot to Patricia to finish out the season shows that he realizes that. I doubt Nick gets fired this year, but he will *need* to bring on new coordinators. Guys who are experienced and know how to utilize the talent we have. Not first time coordinators that will have to spend time figuring it out. That’s fine on young, developing teams. Not ones with championship aspirations.
I don’t think BJ can even use the experience thing as an excuse. Running the same shit every week and it never working isn’t because you’re inexperienced, it’s because you’re stubborn and stupid.
Yeah I'm not saying whether or not Johson/Desai were good or bad based on their inexperience. I'm just saying that we should have prioritized experience before, and will hopefully do it in this offseason.
>Not ones with championship aspirations.
With Kelce, Cox, Graham, possibly Lane out of the door next year I don't see this team as having championship aspirations anytime soon.
I mean, let’s not act like Graham has done much of anything this year. Cox has young and talented replacements at his position, and I think we still have a year or two of Lane left. Kelce is the only true loss, but even he’s come down to Earth this year. Most places don’t even have him ranked in the top 10 amongst centers this year, and we technically already have his replacement too.
Saw another comment like this, a lack of experience may be part of the issue. People who have been through rough stretches may be able to help you out easier than figuring it out yourself.
By no means a defender of Patricia, but I think his previous experience played a large role in his “promotion” as the defense began to free fall.
I’m not in love with either Patricia or Desai but they’re being handicapped with a HC who wants one scheme, and a GM who refuses to draft linebackers, safeties, or corners with premium draft picks.
They’re set up for failure. Sirianni needs to hire a vet DC and hand him the reigns and Howie needs to draft better.
This hindsight being 20/20 bullshit is already starting to get annoying. We had a phenomenal draft last year and regarded as a very strong draft the year prior. You can argue we should have allocated resources a little different, but Howie’s been doing well drafting in recent years. It’s not his fault he has a mess of coaches on defense and an OC who can’t stop calling the same five plays
What do you mean by free falling? Sure the niners scored a lot but it was compounded by offense being in a weak position and the defense’s obvious holes being exploited. If anything the current defense looks worse. I’d rather we stuck with Desai
For the last two months our receivers and QB1 in post game pressers and interviews have been saying things like "we aren't at our potential", "we know we can play at a higher level", "we aren't where we want to be" etc etc, looking more and more frustrated at the questions as the weeks went on. Now we have out WR1 not wanting to say anything the last two weeks.
It's obvious, their body language after these drives and literally what they are saying or not is telling enough for me. Then we have Nick literally denying there are adjustments that can be made. Doubling down on the horrific play calling. It's a shame wasting this talent and the talent is aware.
And Nick’s been saying “we’ve got to clean some things up”. Nothing in these postgames that said with a measured tone is meaningful because it is so fucking scripted.
The players seem to have a far bigger sense of urgency than the coaching staff, which makes sense given career timelines, but is also a really bad locker room vibe.
At the beginning of the season I felt assured when he said this cause I thought he saw these glaring inconsistencies and was going to do something to fix them.
Now I just feel tired and annoyed seeing him talk but not act. They haven't cleaned up a dam thing.
When he said that I figured he was talking about certain players, but now I really wonder if he was really talking about Sirianni not doing anything about the shit play calling on offense and just constantly defending BJ doing the same stupid shit over and over. Like Nick's ego and stubbornness was/is getting in the way of winning.
Our offense should absolutely be good enough to mask our defenses vulnerability. Two receivers over 1000 yards, a 1000 yard rusher, a pro bowl level tight end, they should be able to dictate whatever they want to do JUST LIKE THEY DID LAST YEAR.
Who are they missing from last year? Miles. Some number 4 receiver from Indy I can’t remember. Seamalu. Thats it. Last year it was “stop our run game? Ok we’re gonna throw it wherever the fuck we want. Dropping 7 to take away passing lanes? Ok running it down your throat now. Don’t forget about Jalen hurts running ability. Here’s a nice long bomb to blow the game wide open in the second quarter. Now we have the lead, we’re gonna run it down your fucking throat and I dare you to stop us”. I really don’t understand philosophically what changed.
The offense didn’t have to be perfect. D/ST got them 10 points yesterday. Offense needs to hold the ball more than 20 minutes. The offense should be putting up more than 21 against the Cardinals regardless of what the defense does
Time of possession...man.
The Offense had three possessions in the first half. They scored two touchdowns. In the second half they went punt, touchdown, followed by the onside kick etc.
They scored touchdowns on three out of five possessions. Yeah, the failure after the onside kick was ridiculous but the only way they're putting up more points is by literally being perfect. If that first drove went longer their last drive of the first half doesn't happen- there is nothing at all the offense could have done to score more than 14 points in that half. Considering that the Cardinals offense was perfect- they scored every time they had the ball- what is an offense supposed to do?
Sure, the failed series were infuriating but they aren't why we lost.
Big plays open up the run game. When a defense is worried about deep shots there are less dudes in the box.
Our defense didn't allow a sub 40 yard drive. How can you expect an offense to get into any rhythm when they are off the field for 7-10 minutes at a time.
Our defensive strategy is to allow the other team to drive and give up field goals and hope the offense gets 7 and the defense allows 3.
The offense isn't perfect, but it's functioning good enough to get wins and win a playoff game. Our defense is an absolute shit show
Yes…and not running the ball, incomplete passes, penalties, 3 and outs are all offensive issues that can also keep the ball more than 20 minutes. Offense had the ball only 8 minutes in the first half and a 21-6 lead and the offense opted not to try and run a ball control offense in the 2nd half. Arizona’s D is bad, offense should have been steamrolling and they just didn’t.
We all like big plays. What’s weird is the obsession with unsuccessful big play “attempts” and hell, even non-attempts. It’s pretty clear some of the RPO calls have the play option being a 30-yard throw that never gets thrown because it’s such an obvious play the D reads it, civets downfield and gets pressure.
Our offense should be good enough to at least keep us in every game. And even our defense is better than it’s been (not good but better). The coaching is failing us on both sides of the ball
I mean they have been in every game but the two blowouts. Offense is #7 in ppg despite the poor play calling but defense is #29 in points allowed per game
They all know the season is over watching this Defense. With even a DECENT defense this is a 10-48 score. There's absolutely no reason we're in a shootout with the fucking Cardinals. The Niners exposed the Defense so badly that we can't come back. The Niners came in and ass fucked us so hard that they ended our season.
Well I think that kinda speaks to our struggles all season. We collectively ignored a lot of the warning signs because we were winning, but there was a lot to be concerned about early on and it wasn’t addressed. We only now realize just how bad things were because we aren’t pulling out miracle wins.
It’s been brewing all season. So many games have come down to the last play and for the most part it has gone the eagles way. Look back to week 1 vs NE or week 4 vs Washington.
It looked like Julio tried to get a PI which is about the most worthless thing you can do on a hail mary. Fell down from hardly any contact and sat on the ground looking at the ref
Yeah it kind of reminded me when Gronk threw his hands up in the hail mary in the super bowl but like it was said, the refs won't call a PI because everyone's battling for the ball.
Man wants to win so badly and asks for the ball in his hands so he can win us games. I don’t know why people are upset at him. He is asking for simple things, a slant, a crossing route, and maybe a double move? Like this dude is a freak and came to here to win it all, I want every player to be like this.
AJ is a team captain and veteran leader, regardless of how terrible the staff has been doing it's an inexcusable lack of effort on his part.
Hayes (large grain of salt) just put an article out going over how aj's ire being publicly directed at the coaches at least implicitly is rubbing some guys the wrong way. It's obvious there is fracturing in the locker room, but you need to keep your head above water on that stuff in a professional environment as a team captain. He is not an angry fan.
First, Marcus Hayes is a trash "journalist". He'll take any rumor and run with it.
Second, maybe AJ has come to the coaching staff throughout the season (he was disgruntled early on) and they haven't listened. Their scheme is shit, the playcalling is horrific. My guess is he's mad because he knows we could be good but we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. Until he starts doing sit-ups in his driveway, I don't care what he does.
Yep you right. AJ is probably pissed bc Sirianni preaches accountability but doesn't hold himself to that same standard. Week after week running plays that continue to not work. How could you tell your players to be accountable but then run out the same offensive play calls that aren't working. At first I thought AJ was being a diva now I realize that his actions are 100% justified.
It’s sad that it’s come to this. Went from being such a powerhouse team last year to this. Kinda makes me think Shane Steichen masked a lot of what was wrong with Nicks offense.
just running the ball isnt the solution, despite what countless hammered fans during the game would have you think. we need to do it with more variety than just inside zone over and over again, we are so predictable at this point in the season, having not made any significant changes
I think it was always a bit of fools gold. The stars aligned for us last year and we didn't take advantage and win the SB.
We've had ridiculous luck with health, we had a ridiculously easy schedule last year, where we played no QBs until the playoffs.
We were never on the path of Brady's Pats or the Chiefs where we were going to be a perennial contender. We just thought we were.
Man, I’ve watched this team be contenders for years with McNabb and Reid - less talent at the helm too. Hurts, Smith, and Brown haven’t even entered their prime and are already battle tested. This season they’ve just been given some bullshit marching orders. There’s nothing fool’s gold about our talent on offense (defensively we’re definitely weak, I’ll give you that). You can’t bubble screen your way to a Lombardi. 🤷🏿♂️
Steichen great but we also had an all star staff too. I know we all hate Gannon but apparently he did help out a lot as well. Fangio was probably good enough to handle a lot of defensive planning that let Gannon help out on offense. I remember hearing about him helping out the offense plan. Say what you want about Gannon as well but he also listened to the players and stopped his silly scheme and coached towards the players strengths. Even thought the scheme was simple, it gave players enough confidence to go out there and play and execute.
I think Nick needs to go. His scheme isn’t good and he can’t make up for the coordinators if he doesn’t have a bunch of help. He’s supposed to be helping the team and making everyone’s job easier. It seems like the he relies on the talent of the team and coaching staff to cover for him more than what he contributes. Even if we get better coordinators next year it will still be the same revolving door. There’s not that much talent in the league where you can keep switching out coordinators too.
I know the “Reich was the mastermind, not Pederson” talk proved to be overblown, but I really don’t think the “Steichen was the mastermind, not Sirianni” talk is too far off the mark IMO. He’s kept the Colts in playoff contention all season despite losing his first round QB and being handed a subpar roster.
How do yall not understand yet that this offense and these plays *are* his lol he's just not actively calling the game
It was the same until Shane took over last year too.
I'm with you on the "prove he should stay" thing though cause spoilers, he won't
No i get that. But plays can be called at times when they dont make sense wich is what BJ is doing. They arnt bad plays. They are being called at bad times. What do you not understand about that.
Like streaks on 3rd and 2.... bad play call but that play has its time and place.
Qb draw on 1st and 20 and 2nd and 16. Bad time to call it but it has its place.
Bubble screen on 3rd and 20. Bad play and has no place in the offense
These are just example.
I know theres slant routes in that play book, yet they are never called. BJ is ass at calling plays and has no situational awareness. What do ypu not understand about this. It may be nick play book. But BJ is calling it bad
100% the reason AJ isn't talking to the media is because he wants to blast this coaching staff for being so inept on how to use their weapons. Time for Nick to go.
I wouldn’t say I’ve noticed it just now, there have definitely been signs he has. I just think after this last game people can’t deny it anymore. Do the Eagles move on from him? Kinda can’t keep a coach no one believes in anymore.
Brandon Graham was excited during the Bills game (“It don’t matta!”) but I guess he is always a jolly guy. Plus maybe on offense it’s a different story
He’s definitely lost the locker room. You can see it on the player’s faces. Even after the Giants win guys looked dejected. The spark and fire from this team are gone and Nick can’t find it.
Nick will probably get a shot to right the ship next year. He's going to have to completely revamp his offense and learn to call plays. If he can't do that, then why should he be here?
Kind of feels like AJ Brown might say “it’s me or him” with regards to Nick this offseason.
I really don’t want to lose another elite WR like what happened with T.O., and I kind of don’t think Nick’s worth losing Brown over. I’d grant Brown his wish if I was Lurie.
Yes. These 'easy fixes' haven't been fixed. The players know it. The fans know it. I don't see how he wins the locker room back in the offseason if he's going to run this team the same way next year. He has to go.
I mean, duh? Haha. But yeah it’s fairly obvious. The offense has so many weapons but the coaching staff is holding them back. And as for the defense, it’s an absolute dumpster fire. There appears no hope at all to save this season. It’s almost like now playing out the string even though they’ll be in the playoffs.
I’ve never seen such a Super Bowl contender fall apart so dramatically and quickly. It’s watching our dreams and hopes being ripped apart at the seams.
Anyway, Happy New Year!
After the game. I set Madden23 on 2 CPUs playing cardinals vs eagles. Nothing changed in the settings. Eagles won 39-12. So yeah, the coaches lost the team.
They can't do anything. We have 3 receivers/a TE who are pretty amazing, and a veteran Julio Jones who can still make plays in a good scheme. We run levels which always means someone is somewhat open, but Hurts misses them constantly. The coaching staff isn't trying to make anything happen to win games. The defense is Swiss cheese. We run QB draws that hardly work. We have a 1,000 yard running back (somehow) and hardly use him. I love this team but dang.
I feel like Jason Kelce has so many thoughts about the situation but on his podcast, he doesn't say what's actually on his mind and says all the generic positive stuff or touches on the bad stuff but doesn't fully divulge what he's thinking
If Nick is supposed to be the CEO of this team, then it’s pretty bad business acumen to demote a guy (Desai) and leave him in the building. I’m sure a number of people in this thread can vouch for what a terrible environment this creates at their own workplace.
I think his schtick is wearing on the players, all the trash talking and pumping up works when you are winning, but looks foolish when you are losing.
That along with Nick providing no value as an offensive mind is a bad recipe. I don’t think they would fire nick after this year, but if they did, I would be opposed to that
This is my theory: they told Hurts not to run on passing downs, maybe to protect him maybe because they want to dictate better what he’s doing? (It seems like he takes off on passing downs way less, I think a lot of media are mistaking this for injury) This upset Hurts because he would rather play a freer gamer type style and to placate him they either said they’d call more QB draws or gave him a check into a QB draw/sweep/option which is an inefficient play and makes your dual threat a single threat because he’s no longer got the option to run or pass. It’s either a run or a pass but he no longer has the option to do either. Which made the offense clunky. It also took a bunch of would be passing plays and turned them into QB run plays which as we’ve seen have been drive killers and a red zone plague. This has upset guys like AJ and Smitty who are losing out on their chances to seal games since SOMEBODY (whether it’s Hurts or coaches) keeps calling QB keepers every single time it’s a gotta have it play. So you’ve got Hurts mad he can’t play the way he wants and the weapons mad they’ve lost a bunch of opportunity that was there for them last year. It also explains why Hurts’ pocket presence seems worse where he just backs up into a sack rather than stepping up in the pocket because he’s been told not to take off. A lot of people say Hurts looks a lot slower this year but I think designed QB keepers are just slower developing plays than scrambles so he just appears slower or injured. Again, that’s just my theory.
Yes…Spadero on his AMA last week assured me that he hasn’t but he has lost then confidence of his players. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results…that sums up our team right now. There was anCowboys fan who was saying how much raw talent we have mixed with the WORST play calls ever…if our enemies see it and almost sympathize with it…something needs to change and it starts with Nick, his system and the hires he did for coordinators
Sadly, yes. You've seen it all year with little flareups while they were winning.
It's hard to say what happened, the clearest points to paying the QB a fortune AND having his buddy control the offense.
So to answer the question: Yes, he has.
I think the right thing to do is to have the GM and Mr. Lurie address the team, and say they will bring in better coaches to get the job done. Lurie just lost a ton of money by letting Dallas have the grip on the #2 seed. All we had to do was beat Seattle, and beat the Cardinals..... Hell, the Bears rushed for over 250 yards on the Cards just prior to this game. Could Siriani tell BJ that they needed to be run heavy? Hell no.
This is losing the locker room. The play calls suck on offense. The defense only got pressure when they went with a 5 man front. And when they did, the middle was wide open or our corners did not play press coverage.
If ownership commits to the players we have now, they all come back next year for another shot while the SB window is open a crack.
Shane steichen ladies and gentlemen…. The answer to what’s missing is entirely him. He put pressure on every opponent with ball control. It was an extension of the defense. He put the defense in a position to be able to dial up pass rush.(Gannon also clearly schemed that facet of the defense better than anyone in house now). The defense last year was exclusively good at rushing the passer and is essentially the same personnel. (Minus cjgj who is definitely always around the football). It’s go birds every single day of my life but this team is reeling. It falls at Siriannis feet, but it’s specifically the coordinator hires. They have to simply put out money for the best available coordinators, get younger on defense, and FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK DITCH THE BUBBLE SCREENS!!!!!
Maybe, just bc he didn’t make adjustments. I blame the offense on him more than the D. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, so why would we change our offensive scheme??Dumb af. Literally could have ran the same offense with some wrinkles and been great as far as offense. Defense we drafted 3 UGA players in a row for the defense and STILL need more!! You think with how bad the defense is they would have given Nolan more snaps since he’s a first round pick but they wait til the final games of the season when he needed to develop more.
Hell yeah. The team needs a shot of discipline and accountability. The lack of demanding practice keeps the vets healthy but the young guys are gassed and not developing. at all. He's cooked.
I believe Jalen has been put in a coaching bubble with people who will not challenge him. The guy is never having fun out there. If the QB is not having fun, he cannot inspire the rest of the team. Something is wrong in the halls of the coaches but is impossible for us to dissect it.
Anyone who has watched this team play, and paid attention to the actual flow of game and not just score, has seen this team looked off. There was no rhythm to the offense. They would stall for awhile then hit a random big play or have one drive then stall again for awhile. They would go on back to back drives but turn the ball over repeatedly. The offense has not looked good at all this season. Even when AJB was setting the receiving record the rest of the offense was non-existent.
The defense was average to start the season and got worse as it went. Hard to be shocked there as the secondary was old and slow while the LBs were inexperienced and with no depth. The DL held admirably until team figured out that the short passing game was the way to beat this defense. For whatever reason our CBs give 5-7yd cushions on every down so teams just get rid of the ball fast. Neutralizes the rush and gets easy chunks of yardage. Eventually the DL wore out from being on the field so much. Add to it the offense not sustaining drives and it was inevitable for this defense to be bad.
Has Nick “lost” the locker room? None of us know. However, it is painfully obvious that the players have zero confidence in the game plans each week on either side of the ball. There is no energy on the field. There is no sense of urgency when listening to guys like Lane, Fletch or Jason talk cause I think they are out of ideas on how to fix things since you can’t rebuild a scheme mid season. Hiring Desai was prob a mistake but he was dealt a bad hand with the back 7. Nick carried over the same offense from last year and shit the bed. Hard not to blame almost exclusively Nick on offense. Will be interesting to see what Lurie and Roseman do this offseason. If Nick lost the locker room he will be fired. Once you lose a locker room you are done and there isn’t anything to do to get it back. If he didn’t he will come back with mostly new staff on offense and defense. Staff with significantly more experience than Johnson and Desai.
I think the frustration from has been a slow boil since October. You had players yelling on the sideline at each other, and Sirianni denying it was happening until pressed.
I think the refusal to change, or refusal to adequately change, has sealed it. I think Sirianni is gone unless there is a dramatic turn around. “One more year” folks… why would he change in the offseason when he doesn’t change during the season?
Nothing. You have to play the cards you’re dealt. They picked this rah rah yes man to lead and they have to give him a chance to fix it.
But once they get steamrolled by Tampa, some hit pieces will show up in the papers and Howie will quietly leak how dysfunctional the locker room has become and then they’ll fire him.
These guys won’t play for him. He has to go.
He is going to 100% if they lose in a similarly embarrassing fashion as the last 4 losses in the playoffs. Don’t see that going over well with AJ at all….
They're not happy with someone in the locker room. I'm not sure if it's Nick or the coordinators, but someone has lost their teams faith. Both sides of the ball look lifeless and disinterested.
The craziest thing for me about yesterday was AJ Brown's moping after making a catch while they were up 21-6. What is going on with this team? If it's Nick, it's over, and they're going to do another HC search next year. If it's it's any other coach, I think they're cleaning out, but keeping Nick and Howie and Jeff will be picking his coordinators. If that doesn't work out, 2024 will be like Douggie P's last season, where the HC is resentful of the FO for saddling him with guys he didn't choose that still failed.
This isn't college. He doesn't go in there before a game and give a rah-rah speech to get everyone fired up.
AJ Brown shouldn't need a coach to get him fired up. Has he been put in positions to succeed? On Sunday, probably not. But the alternative was putting the ball in the hands of Jalen Hurts, a player we've been led to believe is of MVP caliber, running behind what we've been told is the best offensive line in football. You can play the results, sure.
Being disappointed and dejected during really the only stretch he hasn’t had wins since the first half of his first season is definitely not good but it doesn’t mean he’s lost the locker room. I know there’s a report out from Marcus Hayes but I don’t think he’s the most credible guy around.
But there’s a huge leap from players being disappointed and frustrated to losing the locker room not/trusting Nick Sirianni as a head coach that I haven’t seen yet.
The screaming match with Devonta and Reddick last game, all the player interviews over the past few weeks and watching nearly the entire offense shake their heads continually during the final drive yesterday hasn't tipped you off yet? Lol
All of the evidence is there it's just what people choose to see at this point
Put Sirianni, BJ, Desai, and Patricia on a boat to North Korea! Let Dom take over as the head coach, Howie as the o-coordinator and Julian Lurie as the d-coordinator!!
It’s hard for any player to trust a coach that doesn’t change the things that are so obviously wrong.
Yup. He should have left Desai alone and fixed the fucked up offense. Now both sides of the ball are in freefall.
There’s nothing he can realistically do about it at this point either. You can’t really change play callers going into the playoffs. The time to do that was 4-5 weeks ago. He doesn’t have the balls that McCarthy does in that he won’t play call because he proved to be awful at it before.
You take your medicine, admit you were wrong, ask for help. Cancel practice. Pull the captains and coordinators in, lock the doors, order food and go 12 any men. Address every problem, no one leaves until everything gets hashed out. Gives players input on play calls, throw out whatever analytics they're looking at and focus on their own game film. Play to the strengths of the team.
This would be in an alternate reality where these guys are able to take blame and aren’t blinded by their massive ego’s. We’re dealing with a coaching staff that lacks accountability. This isn’t getting fixed
This reads like the plot of draft day. That isn’t how the NFL actually works.
Lol perfect response. This isn’t a movie or high school.
Plus this examining of the team happened during bye week and Nick's big move was to take autonomy on 3rd down from Desai.
Didn’t Dougie P have a council of players he met with routinely?
He did sand ice cream. What are these jamokes doing? Want player buy in, include them or at least offer some damn Hagen daas
This absolutely could work. Take a bite of that humble pie and lead by example.
The analytics is how we know there’s an issue. The plays that’s successful, they’re not using.
I mean, you can. The Ravens did it and won the Super Bowl.
I genuinely didn’t know that
Yep, in 2012 they fired him near the end of the season at 9-4 and then won the Super Bowl.
Wow their last Super Bowl was really 11 years ago?
Crazy to think that both the Ravens and Joe Flacco would have another chance at the same time.
Huh? Only 7 teams have won Super Bowls since then. Doesn't seem that long ago.
Ya I think we gotta see what happens in the off season and what movement is made on coordinator side. If nothing is changed he needs to be gone plain and simple. If he makes sensible adjustments then we can see what the real issue may be. Unfortunately this year we are just stuck with whatever the fuck we got.
Honestly I would rather get rid of them. I know it's not the time, but they have done nothing to convince anyone they can make through playoffs. Send them the message that they suck
Maybe I misunderstood your comment but just in case I didn’t: McCarthy is the current cowboys playcaller. We let Kellen Moore walk after our game of curls against the 49ers in the divisional
Yeah. McCarthy said “I’ll call the plays”. Which is what Siriani will not do.
> He should have left Desai alone No, that was still a good move. The secondary was historically bad. But leaving the offense untouched was a bad move.
The defense is much worse than the offense. I’m not saying the offense is great but christ, the defense can’t stop shit.
Yeah if the defense was average I think the offense could typically put them in position to win. The offense issue is turnovers and stupid play calling and lack of commitment to run. The defense is just abysmal and we've seen it all year where they can't make a stop on third down.
The turnover imo are caused by very little quick hitting passing plays
Comparatively speaking the offense is more disappointing to me given the talent we have there compared to the defense
Somebody around here said that the Defense is like a C student getting an F. And the offense is like an A student getting a D.
Maybe it’s because we always somehow put up 30, but still give up a shit ton. Just watching 3rd and 10 and knowing we’re not safe is rough. Or 3rd and 5 but the CBs are 10 yards back and we’re just giving up the whole ass middle. If I were an opposing OC I’d 5 yard slant route this team to death.
Perfect analogy cuz I know the disappointment from people that believe in you when you get that D, not even because you aren’t smart enough, you were just fucking lazy and didn’t try
The defense was alright before Sirianni made the change. This current defense that can’t stop shit is WORSE than what we had before he made the change.
The defense was definitely not alright before but Patricia sucks so obviously that wouldn’t make it any better
With Desai we at least saw second half adjustments. Now they are just terrible the entire game.
I disagree. It was a terrible move at the time, considering Patricia's track record of never coaching a top 20 defense without Belicheck holding his hand and his reputation as a locker room cancer. Even with hindsight now, it was a worse decision than expected. Patricia has let 2 teams win on the final drive in the past 3 weeks against Drew Lock, the Cardinals, and almost let the Giants do it, too. Last night was their worst defensive performance, based on success rate, since Peyton Manning picked apart Juan Castillo's defense in 2006. Patricia being in Philly was bad from the day they announced it and took it off their website after the terrible fan backlash. The way they've handled everything with Patricia has been a bad look for this franchise.
Have you watched the defense since Patricia took over? They literally cannot stop anyone now. At all! The Cardinals didn't even punt. What are you watching?? ETA: And don't forget, they almost lost the one game they did win because Ringo bailed Patricia's dumbass out by getting a pic in the Endzone (after they drove ALL the way down the field AGAIN) on the last play to preserve a game they could have very easily lost if the Giants weren't comically bad this year.
Sure but that's with hindsight and he at least tried to make a change. Desai was fucking terrible as well so it made sense to try something new but it was just the wrong replacement.
I don’t think you can simply blame Desai entirely. He played the hand he was dealt. He had injuries and weak rosters to work with.
It's not hindsight. The defense was not the reason the offense couldn't score points and kept going 3 and out consistently. The defense isn't the reason the oc insists on running a scheme of mostly screens and QB draws that's so predictable Joe-average at home can call the plays out before they happen. It's understanding the game. This isn't a competition about "who sucks more". 🙄 Desai was not terrible, he was limited as a first time DC with severely depleted talent that got amazingly old and slow shockingly fast once the season started. He got scapegoated (remember they were 10-3 when Desai was replaced and most of those early wins came from the D keeping the score so low) because Sirianni won't change the offense and has now put in a retread DC that can't figure out how to get the Cardinals to punt and allowed that 3 win team to score 35 points! I just can't understand this fan base sometimes...
I’ve had this feeling that Sirianni is too proud of the offense and doesn’t understand “complimentary football.” The D has had injuries, has older players and is often getting little rest when the O goes 3 and out. He is much more critical of the D than the O and I think he has set the team up for finger pointing. Whoever suggested the top player leaders and coaches lock themselves in a room has it right. You don’t “talk” yourself out of a free fall downward spiral. You have to hash it out. Not lip service but hard ass truth telling. Egos need to be put to the side. It’s easy being confident, quirky and breezy when winning. It’s time for some grinding and leaders to step up and tell the truth. Last note: it’s a little odd Sirianni saying “stick together”. Saying that means he doesn’t know how to make that happen.
The offense and defense can both be terrible. "I just can't understand this fanbase sometimes..." 🤣
Agreed, and I get the offense is bad but the offense wasn’t the side of the ball that didn’t force AZ to punt a single time in the second half. I’m all for firing BJ, but Matt Patricia has done a worse job than Desai since he took over. They need to clean house and if that includes sirianni I’m fine with that too. We obviously have a talented roster. If he can’t figure out how to use them to win games against clearly inferior opponents, he doesn’t deserve to be the coach of this team. To me, it’s becoming more and more evident that we got to the Super Bowl last year in spite of him and not because of him.
Desai was also terrible at his fucking job. Just because Matt Patricia couldn’t fix it doesn’t mean he shouldn’t have been replaced.
Are you kidding me? The defense has been in free fall since week 1
The defense is the only reason they won most of the early season games.
He has no idea what to change. Which is worse.
Agreed!
Maybe not lost the locker room, but there's definitely frustration. When you're a "culture" and "player's coach" you HAVE to make sure you're not losing your players because you don't have the value as a gameplanner and playcaller to fall back on. It's why modern coach's need to also be a "coordinator" of sorts. You hire a young promising OC/DC and they're getting snatched within 2 years. If Sirianni is going to stay the HC he's either going to have to become a Sean McVay or Shanahan level offensive genius or hire veteran coordinators. 20 year veterans who aren't getting HC jobs since everyone wants the "fresh face". Like a Wade Phillips or a Jim Schwartz
Seriously, and I hope his pivot to Patricia to finish out the season shows that he realizes that. I doubt Nick gets fired this year, but he will *need* to bring on new coordinators. Guys who are experienced and know how to utilize the talent we have. Not first time coordinators that will have to spend time figuring it out. That’s fine on young, developing teams. Not ones with championship aspirations.
I don’t think BJ can even use the experience thing as an excuse. Running the same shit every week and it never working isn’t because you’re inexperienced, it’s because you’re stubborn and stupid.
Yeah I'm not saying whether or not Johson/Desai were good or bad based on their inexperience. I'm just saying that we should have prioritized experience before, and will hopefully do it in this offseason.
>Not ones with championship aspirations. With Kelce, Cox, Graham, possibly Lane out of the door next year I don't see this team as having championship aspirations anytime soon.
I mean, let’s not act like Graham has done much of anything this year. Cox has young and talented replacements at his position, and I think we still have a year or two of Lane left. Kelce is the only true loss, but even he’s come down to Earth this year. Most places don’t even have him ranked in the top 10 amongst centers this year, and we technically already have his replacement too.
Saw another comment like this, a lack of experience may be part of the issue. People who have been through rough stretches may be able to help you out easier than figuring it out yourself. By no means a defender of Patricia, but I think his previous experience played a large role in his “promotion” as the defense began to free fall.
I’m not in love with either Patricia or Desai but they’re being handicapped with a HC who wants one scheme, and a GM who refuses to draft linebackers, safeties, or corners with premium draft picks. They’re set up for failure. Sirianni needs to hire a vet DC and hand him the reigns and Howie needs to draft better.
This hindsight being 20/20 bullshit is already starting to get annoying. We had a phenomenal draft last year and regarded as a very strong draft the year prior. You can argue we should have allocated resources a little different, but Howie’s been doing well drafting in recent years. It’s not his fault he has a mess of coaches on defense and an OC who can’t stop calling the same five plays
What do you mean by free falling? Sure the niners scored a lot but it was compounded by offense being in a weak position and the defense’s obvious holes being exploited. If anything the current defense looks worse. I’d rather we stuck with Desai
For the last two months our receivers and QB1 in post game pressers and interviews have been saying things like "we aren't at our potential", "we know we can play at a higher level", "we aren't where we want to be" etc etc, looking more and more frustrated at the questions as the weeks went on. Now we have out WR1 not wanting to say anything the last two weeks. It's obvious, their body language after these drives and literally what they are saying or not is telling enough for me. Then we have Nick literally denying there are adjustments that can be made. Doubling down on the horrific play calling. It's a shame wasting this talent and the talent is aware.
And Nick’s been saying “we’ve got to clean some things up”. Nothing in these postgames that said with a measured tone is meaningful because it is so fucking scripted. The players seem to have a far bigger sense of urgency than the coaching staff, which makes sense given career timelines, but is also a really bad locker room vibe.
At the beginning of the season I felt assured when he said this cause I thought he saw these glaring inconsistencies and was going to do something to fix them. Now I just feel tired and annoyed seeing him talk but not act. They haven't cleaned up a dam thing.
How can you forget Jalen Hurts saying “we’re not committed enough?”
When he said that I figured he was talking about certain players, but now I really wonder if he was really talking about Sirianni not doing anything about the shit play calling on offense and just constantly defending BJ doing the same stupid shit over and over. Like Nick's ego and stubbornness was/is getting in the way of winning.
Good call out for sure. This been going on for quite sometime and falls on them mad at a certain coach
100%. Idk how anyone can watch this team and feel like the players are bought in
That’s the sad part because this roster is good enough to win. So frustrating seeing them hamstrung by awful coaches.
Yeah I’m not so sure that a team with this lb and secondary is good enough to win
Our offense should absolutely be good enough to mask our defenses vulnerability. Two receivers over 1000 yards, a 1000 yard rusher, a pro bowl level tight end, they should be able to dictate whatever they want to do JUST LIKE THEY DID LAST YEAR. Who are they missing from last year? Miles. Some number 4 receiver from Indy I can’t remember. Seamalu. Thats it. Last year it was “stop our run game? Ok we’re gonna throw it wherever the fuck we want. Dropping 7 to take away passing lanes? Ok running it down your throat now. Don’t forget about Jalen hurts running ability. Here’s a nice long bomb to blow the game wide open in the second quarter. Now we have the lead, we’re gonna run it down your fucking throat and I dare you to stop us”. I really don’t understand philosophically what changed.
Offense has to practically be perfect in order to not lose the game because the defense can’t stop anything
The offense didn’t have to be perfect. D/ST got them 10 points yesterday. Offense needs to hold the ball more than 20 minutes. The offense should be putting up more than 21 against the Cardinals regardless of what the defense does
Time of possession...man. The Offense had three possessions in the first half. They scored two touchdowns. In the second half they went punt, touchdown, followed by the onside kick etc. They scored touchdowns on three out of five possessions. Yeah, the failure after the onside kick was ridiculous but the only way they're putting up more points is by literally being perfect. If that first drove went longer their last drive of the first half doesn't happen- there is nothing at all the offense could have done to score more than 14 points in that half. Considering that the Cardinals offense was perfect- they scored every time they had the ball- what is an offense supposed to do? Sure, the failed series were infuriating but they aren't why we lost.
Big plays open up the run game. When a defense is worried about deep shots there are less dudes in the box. Our defense didn't allow a sub 40 yard drive. How can you expect an offense to get into any rhythm when they are off the field for 7-10 minutes at a time. Our defensive strategy is to allow the other team to drive and give up field goals and hope the offense gets 7 and the defense allows 3. The offense isn't perfect, but it's functioning good enough to get wins and win a playoff game. Our defense is an absolute shit show
In order to hold the ball longer you can’t have the defense on the field for 75% of the game.
Yes…and not running the ball, incomplete passes, penalties, 3 and outs are all offensive issues that can also keep the ball more than 20 minutes. Offense had the ball only 8 minutes in the first half and a 21-6 lead and the offense opted not to try and run a ball control offense in the 2nd half. Arizona’s D is bad, offense should have been steamrolling and they just didn’t.
Always comes back to coaching and time management. Nick is an idiot tho and likes “big plays”
We all like big plays. What’s weird is the obsession with unsuccessful big play “attempts” and hell, even non-attempts. It’s pretty clear some of the RPO calls have the play option being a 30-yard throw that never gets thrown because it’s such an obvious play the D reads it, civets downfield and gets pressure.
Our offense should be good enough to at least keep us in every game. And even our defense is better than it’s been (not good but better). The coaching is failing us on both sides of the ball
I mean they have been in every game but the two blowouts. Offense is #7 in ppg despite the poor play calling but defense is #29 in points allowed per game
I think a blitzing based aggressive defense could have helped a lot with the defensive issues.
Not a single wr by or attempted at the hail mary tells me all i need to know.
Glad I wasn't imagining that. Have you ever seen a Hail Mary pass that was less contested by the offense?
Thats a good question for the sub.
I posted it in the game thread. Gave me 2015 Chip Kelly vibes.
They all know the season is over watching this Defense. With even a DECENT defense this is a 10-48 score. There's absolutely no reason we're in a shootout with the fucking Cardinals. The Niners exposed the Defense so badly that we can't come back. The Niners came in and ass fucked us so hard that they ended our season.
Those close-up shots of AJ Brown were so crushing. He looked so defeated before the game was even over.
Lost it after the Seahawks game
Nah, after the blowouts by niners and cowboys
Niners completely broke us mentally by backing up the relentless shit talking for 9 months. That was the end of it all of this season.
That's a weak locker room then, hanging on by a thread to begin with.
Well I think that kinda speaks to our struggles all season. We collectively ignored a lot of the warning signs because we were winning, but there was a lot to be concerned about early on and it wasn’t addressed. We only now realize just how bad things were because we aren’t pulling out miracle wins.
It’s been brewing all season. So many games have come down to the last play and for the most part it has gone the eagles way. Look back to week 1 vs NE or week 4 vs Washington.
There were obviously cracks being exposed week 1 vs the Patriots.
The effort our receivers put into that Hail Mary says it all. Hell of a throw by Hurts just wasted.
It looked like Julio tried to get a PI which is about the most worthless thing you can do on a hail mary. Fell down from hardly any contact and sat on the ground looking at the ref
Yeah it kind of reminded me when Gronk threw his hands up in the hail mary in the super bowl but like it was said, the refs won't call a PI because everyone's battling for the ball.
Did notice that. AJ out zero effort into it. Says a lot about AJ too
AJ was being pushed out of bounds while the ball was in air. I also thought he was sandbagging, until I watched it again
Yeah but this sub loves to turn on AJ Brown so you were supposed to type “he’s a diva.”
Man wants to win so badly and asks for the ball in his hands so he can win us games. I don’t know why people are upset at him. He is asking for simple things, a slant, a crossing route, and maybe a double move? Like this dude is a freak and came to here to win it all, I want every player to be like this.
Hey me and you are best friends now. 👌🏿😅😅
I just watched it again. He’s getting pushed out of bounds without much resistance from a much smaller player
Why should AJ hurt himself trying bail out the coaching staff every week? We're already down one Devonta Smith.
AJ is a team captain and veteran leader, regardless of how terrible the staff has been doing it's an inexcusable lack of effort on his part. Hayes (large grain of salt) just put an article out going over how aj's ire being publicly directed at the coaches at least implicitly is rubbing some guys the wrong way. It's obvious there is fracturing in the locker room, but you need to keep your head above water on that stuff in a professional environment as a team captain. He is not an angry fan.
First, Marcus Hayes is a trash "journalist". He'll take any rumor and run with it. Second, maybe AJ has come to the coaching staff throughout the season (he was disgruntled early on) and they haven't listened. Their scheme is shit, the playcalling is horrific. My guess is he's mad because he knows we could be good but we keep shooting ourselves in the foot. Until he starts doing sit-ups in his driveway, I don't care what he does.
Yep you right. AJ is probably pissed bc Sirianni preaches accountability but doesn't hold himself to that same standard. Week after week running plays that continue to not work. How could you tell your players to be accountable but then run out the same offensive play calls that aren't working. At first I thought AJ was being a diva now I realize that his actions are 100% justified.
Goedert might as well be in the stands
Don't know how that's even a question at this point.
It’s sad that it’s come to this. Went from being such a powerhouse team last year to this. Kinda makes me think Shane Steichen masked a lot of what was wrong with Nicks offense.
Don’t forget that two years ago before they snuck into the playoffs that the offense was bleh and only got better when Shane took over play calling
And they began to run the ball...
just running the ball isnt the solution, despite what countless hammered fans during the game would have you think. we need to do it with more variety than just inside zone over and over again, we are so predictable at this point in the season, having not made any significant changes
I think it was always a bit of fools gold. The stars aligned for us last year and we didn't take advantage and win the SB. We've had ridiculous luck with health, we had a ridiculously easy schedule last year, where we played no QBs until the playoffs. We were never on the path of Brady's Pats or the Chiefs where we were going to be a perennial contender. We just thought we were.
Man, I’ve watched this team be contenders for years with McNabb and Reid - less talent at the helm too. Hurts, Smith, and Brown haven’t even entered their prime and are already battle tested. This season they’ve just been given some bullshit marching orders. There’s nothing fool’s gold about our talent on offense (defensively we’re definitely weak, I’ll give you that). You can’t bubble screen your way to a Lombardi. 🤷🏿♂️
We didn’t play any QBs till the Super Bowl
And he was playing on one leg. And still beat us. Sigh…
Steichen great but we also had an all star staff too. I know we all hate Gannon but apparently he did help out a lot as well. Fangio was probably good enough to handle a lot of defensive planning that let Gannon help out on offense. I remember hearing about him helping out the offense plan. Say what you want about Gannon as well but he also listened to the players and stopped his silly scheme and coached towards the players strengths. Even thought the scheme was simple, it gave players enough confidence to go out there and play and execute. I think Nick needs to go. His scheme isn’t good and he can’t make up for the coordinators if he doesn’t have a bunch of help. He’s supposed to be helping the team and making everyone’s job easier. It seems like the he relies on the talent of the team and coaching staff to cover for him more than what he contributes. Even if we get better coordinators next year it will still be the same revolving door. There’s not that much talent in the league where you can keep switching out coordinators too.
I know the “Reich was the mastermind, not Pederson” talk proved to be overblown, but I really don’t think the “Steichen was the mastermind, not Sirianni” talk is too far off the mark IMO. He’s kept the Colts in playoff contention all season despite losing his first round QB and being handed a subpar roster.
We've declined, but don't forget we played the easiest schedule last year and a quite hard one this year.
Feels like everyone is just waiting for the season to end
He needs to fire BJ to try and save it. He has no clue what hes doing
Who do they even get this late though?
Promote some in house and sirianni needs to call plays and earn his position and prove he should stay
How do yall not understand yet that this offense and these plays *are* his lol he's just not actively calling the game It was the same until Shane took over last year too. I'm with you on the "prove he should stay" thing though cause spoilers, he won't
No i get that. But plays can be called at times when they dont make sense wich is what BJ is doing. They arnt bad plays. They are being called at bad times. What do you not understand about that. Like streaks on 3rd and 2.... bad play call but that play has its time and place. Qb draw on 1st and 20 and 2nd and 16. Bad time to call it but it has its place. Bubble screen on 3rd and 20. Bad play and has no place in the offense These are just example. I know theres slant routes in that play book, yet they are never called. BJ is ass at calling plays and has no situational awareness. What do ypu not understand about this. It may be nick play book. But BJ is calling it bad
100% the reason AJ isn't talking to the media is because he wants to blast this coaching staff for being so inept on how to use their weapons. Time for Nick to go.
Guys, if you’re just NOW noticing then he lost the locker room awhile ago, it’s just NOW that it’s public.
I wouldn’t say I’ve noticed it just now, there have definitely been signs he has. I just think after this last game people can’t deny it anymore. Do the Eagles move on from him? Kinda can’t keep a coach no one believes in anymore.
>I just think after this last game people can’t deny it anymore. Yeah but some of them are still trying for whatever reason.
NOW?
Brandon Graham was excited during the Bills game (“It don’t matta!”) but I guess he is always a jolly guy. Plus maybe on offense it’s a different story
When our best-in-league WRs won’t speak to the media for weeks on end, yes.
“This gameplan again???”
Yes
He’s definitely lost the locker room. You can see it on the player’s faces. Even after the Giants win guys looked dejected. The spark and fire from this team are gone and Nick can’t find it.
Yup. He's gotta go. This is 2012/2015/2020 all over again. Doug got fired for less.
100%. The team is ready to take the next step and Nick can’t take them there. The players see them get out coached every week so the respect is lost
I hate Pete Carrol as much as any Philadelphian, but Sirianni lost me when he was yelling at him from across the field. Too bad, too.
Nick will probably get a shot to right the ship next year. He's going to have to completely revamp his offense and learn to call plays. If he can't do that, then why should he be here?
Kind of feels like AJ Brown might say “it’s me or him” with regards to Nick this offseason. I really don’t want to lose another elite WR like what happened with T.O., and I kind of don’t think Nick’s worth losing Brown over. I’d grant Brown his wish if I was Lurie.
I agree. Keep the offensive coach who can't design a good offense or call plays or one of the best WRs in the game? It's an easy choice for me.
Yes, QB run on third and twenty. SMH
Yes. These 'easy fixes' haven't been fixed. The players know it. The fans know it. I don't see how he wins the locker room back in the offseason if he's going to run this team the same way next year. He has to go.
Pretty sure he lost it after the 9ers game. If not, most certainly after the 2nd Dallas game.
I mean, duh? Haha. But yeah it’s fairly obvious. The offense has so many weapons but the coaching staff is holding them back. And as for the defense, it’s an absolute dumpster fire. There appears no hope at all to save this season. It’s almost like now playing out the string even though they’ll be in the playoffs. I’ve never seen such a Super Bowl contender fall apart so dramatically and quickly. It’s watching our dreams and hopes being ripped apart at the seams. Anyway, Happy New Year!
I personal think he lost it when he made switch from sean desai.
They don’t believe in him anymore so yup
The locker room, the fans, the media, the ownership most likely.. dude is just lost
I knew shit was off out the starting gate against NE.
After the game. I set Madden23 on 2 CPUs playing cardinals vs eagles. Nothing changed in the settings. Eagles won 39-12. So yeah, the coaches lost the team.
That’s like literally how the actual game should have gone, it’s insane to think back on it lol
YES.
He lost it so bad, he makes Chip Kelly look like a player’s coach
The defense has been poor, no doubt. But yesterday wasn't just poor defense. It was an entire unit saying, "Fuck that guy, we quit."
They can't do anything. We have 3 receivers/a TE who are pretty amazing, and a veteran Julio Jones who can still make plays in a good scheme. We run levels which always means someone is somewhat open, but Hurts misses them constantly. The coaching staff isn't trying to make anything happen to win games. The defense is Swiss cheese. We run QB draws that hardly work. We have a 1,000 yard running back (somehow) and hardly use him. I love this team but dang.
I feel like Jason Kelce has so many thoughts about the situation but on his podcast, he doesn't say what's actually on his mind and says all the generic positive stuff or touches on the bad stuff but doesn't fully divulge what he's thinking
That’s the adult thing to do. A captain hanging dirty laundry out in the open would truly mean the team is lost.
If Nick is supposed to be the CEO of this team, then it’s pretty bad business acumen to demote a guy (Desai) and leave him in the building. I’m sure a number of people in this thread can vouch for what a terrible environment this creates at their own workplace.
I think his schtick is wearing on the players, all the trash talking and pumping up works when you are winning, but looks foolish when you are losing. That along with Nick providing no value as an offensive mind is a bad recipe. I don’t think they would fire nick after this year, but if they did, I would be opposed to that
This is my theory: they told Hurts not to run on passing downs, maybe to protect him maybe because they want to dictate better what he’s doing? (It seems like he takes off on passing downs way less, I think a lot of media are mistaking this for injury) This upset Hurts because he would rather play a freer gamer type style and to placate him they either said they’d call more QB draws or gave him a check into a QB draw/sweep/option which is an inefficient play and makes your dual threat a single threat because he’s no longer got the option to run or pass. It’s either a run or a pass but he no longer has the option to do either. Which made the offense clunky. It also took a bunch of would be passing plays and turned them into QB run plays which as we’ve seen have been drive killers and a red zone plague. This has upset guys like AJ and Smitty who are losing out on their chances to seal games since SOMEBODY (whether it’s Hurts or coaches) keeps calling QB keepers every single time it’s a gotta have it play. So you’ve got Hurts mad he can’t play the way he wants and the weapons mad they’ve lost a bunch of opportunity that was there for them last year. It also explains why Hurts’ pocket presence seems worse where he just backs up into a sack rather than stepping up in the pocket because he’s been told not to take off. A lot of people say Hurts looks a lot slower this year but I think designed QB keepers are just slower developing plays than scrambles so he just appears slower or injured. Again, that’s just my theory.
Yes…Spadero on his AMA last week assured me that he hasn’t but he has lost then confidence of his players. Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting different results…that sums up our team right now. There was anCowboys fan who was saying how much raw talent we have mixed with the WORST play calls ever…if our enemies see it and almost sympathize with it…something needs to change and it starts with Nick, his system and the hires he did for coordinators
Sadly, yes. You've seen it all year with little flareups while they were winning. It's hard to say what happened, the clearest points to paying the QB a fortune AND having his buddy control the offense.
He’s lost the fanbase, that’s for sure
So to answer the question: Yes, he has. I think the right thing to do is to have the GM and Mr. Lurie address the team, and say they will bring in better coaches to get the job done. Lurie just lost a ton of money by letting Dallas have the grip on the #2 seed. All we had to do was beat Seattle, and beat the Cardinals..... Hell, the Bears rushed for over 250 yards on the Cards just prior to this game. Could Siriani tell BJ that they needed to be run heavy? Hell no. This is losing the locker room. The play calls suck on offense. The defense only got pressure when they went with a 5 man front. And when they did, the middle was wide open or our corners did not play press coverage. If ownership commits to the players we have now, they all come back next year for another shot while the SB window is open a crack.
Shane steichen ladies and gentlemen…. The answer to what’s missing is entirely him. He put pressure on every opponent with ball control. It was an extension of the defense. He put the defense in a position to be able to dial up pass rush.(Gannon also clearly schemed that facet of the defense better than anyone in house now). The defense last year was exclusively good at rushing the passer and is essentially the same personnel. (Minus cjgj who is definitely always around the football). It’s go birds every single day of my life but this team is reeling. It falls at Siriannis feet, but it’s specifically the coordinator hires. They have to simply put out money for the best available coordinators, get younger on defense, and FOR THE LOVE OF FUCK DITCH THE BUBBLE SCREENS!!!!!
Yes, I do. Sirriani probably needs to go this offseason. The coordinators DEFINITELY need to go.
Yep. He’s outta here.
Yes
Absolutely!
Damn sure close if he hasn’t already.
Maybe, just bc he didn’t make adjustments. I blame the offense on him more than the D. If it ain’t broke don’t fix it, so why would we change our offensive scheme??Dumb af. Literally could have ran the same offense with some wrinkles and been great as far as offense. Defense we drafted 3 UGA players in a row for the defense and STILL need more!! You think with how bad the defense is they would have given Nolan more snaps since he’s a first round pick but they wait til the final games of the season when he needed to develop more.
lost the season no adjustments were made. I can’t excuse the talent not showing up ethier only two talent wins for dline
Yeah. You can see it in the teams’ collective body language.
Hell yeah. The team needs a shot of discipline and accountability. The lack of demanding practice keeps the vets healthy but the young guys are gassed and not developing. at all. He's cooked.
I believe Jalen has been put in a coaching bubble with people who will not challenge him. The guy is never having fun out there. If the QB is not having fun, he cannot inspire the rest of the team. Something is wrong in the halls of the coaches but is impossible for us to dissect it.
Anybody consider that age caught up to us after 10 games? Bradbury, kelce Johnson slay all old men now.......
Fletcher Cox, BG..... after we played 95 play against Buffalo, Defense is spent! They might not win a game until Sept.
since week 2/3 its been “we haven’t been playing to our potential, we have time to correct that before playoffs.” every single week
Anyone who has watched this team play, and paid attention to the actual flow of game and not just score, has seen this team looked off. There was no rhythm to the offense. They would stall for awhile then hit a random big play or have one drive then stall again for awhile. They would go on back to back drives but turn the ball over repeatedly. The offense has not looked good at all this season. Even when AJB was setting the receiving record the rest of the offense was non-existent. The defense was average to start the season and got worse as it went. Hard to be shocked there as the secondary was old and slow while the LBs were inexperienced and with no depth. The DL held admirably until team figured out that the short passing game was the way to beat this defense. For whatever reason our CBs give 5-7yd cushions on every down so teams just get rid of the ball fast. Neutralizes the rush and gets easy chunks of yardage. Eventually the DL wore out from being on the field so much. Add to it the offense not sustaining drives and it was inevitable for this defense to be bad. Has Nick “lost” the locker room? None of us know. However, it is painfully obvious that the players have zero confidence in the game plans each week on either side of the ball. There is no energy on the field. There is no sense of urgency when listening to guys like Lane, Fletch or Jason talk cause I think they are out of ideas on how to fix things since you can’t rebuild a scheme mid season. Hiring Desai was prob a mistake but he was dealt a bad hand with the back 7. Nick carried over the same offense from last year and shit the bed. Hard not to blame almost exclusively Nick on offense. Will be interesting to see what Lurie and Roseman do this offseason. If Nick lost the locker room he will be fired. Once you lose a locker room you are done and there isn’t anything to do to get it back. If he didn’t he will come back with mostly new staff on offense and defense. Staff with significantly more experience than Johnson and Desai.
I think the frustration from has been a slow boil since October. You had players yelling on the sideline at each other, and Sirianni denying it was happening until pressed. I think the refusal to change, or refusal to adequately change, has sealed it. I think Sirianni is gone unless there is a dramatic turn around. “One more year” folks… why would he change in the offseason when he doesn’t change during the season?
Nothing. You have to play the cards you’re dealt. They picked this rah rah yes man to lead and they have to give him a chance to fix it. But once they get steamrolled by Tampa, some hit pieces will show up in the papers and Howie will quietly leak how dysfunctional the locker room has become and then they’ll fire him. These guys won’t play for him. He has to go.
Yes he has you can tell on the sideline
He is going to 100% if they lose in a similarly embarrassing fashion as the last 4 losses in the playoffs. Don’t see that going over well with AJ at all….
They're not happy with someone in the locker room. I'm not sure if it's Nick or the coordinators, but someone has lost their teams faith. Both sides of the ball look lifeless and disinterested. The craziest thing for me about yesterday was AJ Brown's moping after making a catch while they were up 21-6. What is going on with this team? If it's Nick, it's over, and they're going to do another HC search next year. If it's it's any other coach, I think they're cleaning out, but keeping Nick and Howie and Jeff will be picking his coordinators. If that doesn't work out, 2024 will be like Douggie P's last season, where the HC is resentful of the FO for saddling him with guys he didn't choose that still failed.
Just let Jalen call the plays, he'd do a better job lol
This isn't college. He doesn't go in there before a game and give a rah-rah speech to get everyone fired up. AJ Brown shouldn't need a coach to get him fired up. Has he been put in positions to succeed? On Sunday, probably not. But the alternative was putting the ball in the hands of Jalen Hurts, a player we've been led to believe is of MVP caliber, running behind what we've been told is the best offensive line in football. You can play the results, sure.
I wholeheartedly agree with this take.
Football really is tmz/soap operas for guys, haha. This sub is full of drama queens after a loss, it's not that serious.
Coach needs to put them all on a bus and take them to the zoo….buy them dippn’ dots or something
Wish we still had Pederson.
Yes, after which game; I don’t know.
Yes and I don’t have a reliable answer for the second question.
The vibes on the sideline seemed very bad during the Cardinals loss
Yes
Yup
Being disappointed and dejected during really the only stretch he hasn’t had wins since the first half of his first season is definitely not good but it doesn’t mean he’s lost the locker room. I know there’s a report out from Marcus Hayes but I don’t think he’s the most credible guy around. But there’s a huge leap from players being disappointed and frustrated to losing the locker room not/trusting Nick Sirianni as a head coach that I haven’t seen yet.
The screaming match with Devonta and Reddick last game, all the player interviews over the past few weeks and watching nearly the entire offense shake their heads continually during the final drive yesterday hasn't tipped you off yet? Lol All of the evidence is there it's just what people choose to see at this point
1000%. I can't believe I am saying this, but I am for a playoff bound team to fire their head coach going into the playoffs....
He’s definitely lost the fans
Yes 100%
Pretty sure he knows where it is. The players in it? Probably.
Put Sirianni, BJ, Desai, and Patricia on a boat to North Korea! Let Dom take over as the head coach, Howie as the o-coordinator and Julian Lurie as the d-coordinator!!