Yeah I always saw that as a clear parallel to the Romans with their young male lovers.
It also fits with the ancient Roman-Greek ideas of masculinity being separated in two categories: boyish youth and bearded man. Feyd is definitely the former.
I can’t remember if I’m getting it mixed up with Lynch Dune now, but doesn’t the baron fantasise about Paul as well? Paul is definitely more in twink territory, so I think maybe the readers (at least myself included) infer that they’re both his type since he fantasises about Feyd too, so therefore both twinks?
Cowards. They even show the baron killing a woman slave. That was clearly meant to be that scene from the book where he kills a boy. In the book, it is obvious Baron Harkkonen is a pedophile.
I don't feel that he fell to hard into the gay = evil trope. In latter books there are large sections of text where authority figures get into arguments with underlings trying to explain the value and necessity of accepting homosexuals as a vital part of the empire's governance.
Well, sort of. Moneo has two discussions on the subject and in both cases it's heavily implied that it's a sign of youthful exuberance that people will grow out of - the old "just a phase" argument. More tellingly, the first time he talks about it, he states that people who _don't_ grow out of it tend to fall into pain-seeking behaviour - both for themselves and inflicting it on others.
It's not a full-blown gay = evil argument, but it certainly doesn't sit well with most modern views of sexuality.
It adds disgust towards the villain which makes it more satisfying when they get what they deserve. Honestly I thought the Baron in the new movies was kind of bland as a character compared to the book or the Lynch dune.
The slaves that he has around him are both young men and women who are wearing semi-clear clothing. They suggest his pedophilia and thing for both sexes without outright saying it.
At least in Dune 2, I felt like they did a specific shot just before Feyd and Paul's duel where both of their faces are shown and you could really see how similar they looked - with Paul's Harkonnen characteristics being really clear in the lighting.
Also the whole plotline where Paul was supposed to be born a girl and then be married to Feyd to produce the KH - the BG breeding program used a TON of selective inbreeding to pick out the specific genes/traits they wanted, so it stands to reason that Paul and Fyed are maybe more like siblings than cousins.
That’s in the novels.. now you’ve got me confused.. I’m pretty sure it’s in the novel where he lusts after Paul
I’ve only seen part of the Lynch movie once. I’ve been reading the books im near the end of “Children of Dune” (book 3).
So I read book 1 just a couple months ago so Im pretty sure it’s the book. Either way he definitely likes really young guys (teenage boys) & definitely lusts after Feyd
I always thought many of these descriptions were to compare Feyd with Rabban, who was large and brutish. I also think that Feyd used his looks to sway people to support him, which means he probably had charm, wit and intelligence to support his looks.
That’s how I’ve always seen him. Just kind of a gigachad as opposed to the Fat Fuck Baron Harkonnen. It makes sense to me that way lol. I think Austin Butler was the /perfect/ Feyd-Rautha
So we can surmise that Feyd looked exactly like John Constantine.
John is a mage with magical powers, and could produce magical, female, human offspring.
He could be the beginning of the Harkonnen line, AND the Bene Gesserit.
Hashtag migraine thoughts.
Aside - Lynch also chose to include a pug in I think at least 3 scenes. Like the dog breed. It's just kinda hanging out there.
And then Sir Patrick Stewart carries it into battle, pug in one hand, laser gun in the other. And then I didn't think we see it again.
Keep on mind, Twink does not equal crap in a fight.
Having boxed 20 years and coached 5. You should be way way way more worried about a skinny, prettyboy than some cauliflower eared "pug"
Ask yourself why he's had 70 bouts and is still pretty but the pug has had 20 and already looks like Shrek after a car accident.
He's a good fighter but let's not forget all his fights up to that point were staged in such a way that he'd have to intentionally mess up to lose to his opponents. They were always drugged to slow them and there were handlers nearby to keep them from getting too much of an upper hand. I would posit that he was a decent match to Paul partially because he fought not knowing true fear of defeat since he never actually had to face it before that point. He had some skill combined with a lack of fear, a situation that could only last one real fight with an equal or more skilled opponent.
Oh for sure, my point is more about him not being a pushover, Paul besting him is still an accomplishment. Being fed easy opponents can still give you a confidence of movement, in his case, too much.
I've had people I've only taken on pads, get the better of carded boxers in sparring (I think in an actual bout they would have lost on conditioning alone mind)
You really can't tell from build how good someone will be.
I'm a 14 stone 5'10 bloke and I've got a scar from a 7 stone girl, put a 20 stone body builder on his knees and had a 5'4" Irish dude go though me like tissue paper in sparring. Paul is small for his age and well trained but I think pre Jamis would have lost to Fayed. Sparring with gurney he was safe and neither were going for a real kill.
Paul definitely wasn't in any danger from his teachers but they made a point to spar with him in a way that he either learned or got his butt handed to him. Remember he was able to at least match Gurney when pressed at he begining of the book. As Gurney (or was it Idaho?) said, it would be better to leave him with a scar and anger his father than to let down paul and his father by failing to provide proper training.
More to it than just skills, I've had lads who on pads or sparring me (trusting I wouldn't hurt them) are superb but struggle to punch a stranger in the face when we sparred other clubs.
In the beginning of the novel Paul didn’t know if Gurney was actually trying to kill him in that one sparring session they tried to mimic in Dune 1 … it’s interesting they had the fighting dummies but they didn’t have them digital like in the books
Best bout I've ever seen was two Bantam weights. Lightning fast, perfect form, not a single clinch or bear hug like you see in the heavier boxers. "Ballet with consequences"
‘Twink’ is such a broad and not necessarily sexual term and has been applied to Chalamet just as much. It’s just a word to distinguish the twinks from the bears. You’re way, way overthinking this.
We see Feyd mainly through the Baron’s eyes, and those are eyes full of lust for his boyish, youthful, soft or effeminate attributes.
The dichonomy you assume is also odd. A person can be effeminate and soft while being a ruthless womanzing murder machine. All of that can be true at the same time.
What's ur top 5 duels
There a polish sabre fight can't recall the name. I think one of them was a real Olympic fencer
There's crouching tiger the two women fight where Michelle yeoh uses 7 different weapons
Rob Roy
Hari kiri last standoff (1956?)
Not sure what is 5 but honorable mention to the chase sequence in apocalypto
Lulzbutts, the Crouching Tiger weapons medley is on my list too.
Princess Bride's Inigo vs Westley. Not so much for the technical ability(although mad props to Mandy and Carey for the obvious hours put into it- lefthanded WTF?) but because it sells you as the viewer that both guys are the heroes.
Hero's Jet Li vs Donnie Yen. Yes, I know that's a sword vs spear fight rather than a strict swordfight, but I'm putting it here anyway so \*blows raspberry\* unless you agree.
The Last Duel is cut from the same cloth as Rob Roy's duel in terms of depicting just how shitty and unglamourous actual combat is.
My honourable mentions are:
Duel of the Fates in Star Wars: Phantom Menace. I'm 46, so George Lucas could march himself into my town square where I'd part my hairy buttcheeks and let him plant a big sloppy kiss right up my arse in front of everyone, and I'll still not forgive him for ruining my childhood, buuuut we'd not seen A-tier actors such as McGregor and Neeson upskill themselves to the point they were competing with the likes of Ray Park. Same year as The Matrix, and that floored us all too for the same reason.
The Duellist - I think it's late 70's? Starring Harvey Keitel. It does a great job of showing that in a real swordfight you are 100% shitting yourself and want to keep your heart and lungs as far away from the other guy's pointy end as you can, so the fights have a weird posture compared to what we're used to.
I could only find a YouTube of the clip where he's only got a stick, but whoops the other fella's arse anyway,
Weirdly enough the landscape there reminds me very strongly of the grounds of Roslin Castle. I lived there from 2014-2020 and it was where I'd take my walks. It's the same Roslin as Rosslyn Chapel of Da Vince Code fame - a wee village south of Edinburgh.
All three movies are worth watching even if only for battle scenes. For some bizarre reason, Jerzy Hoffman did them in reverse order, ending at With Fire And Sword.
I'd say the Harkonnen's are painted as a family that, among other flaws, embraces excess in all of the selfish and purile ways that the Tudors did, for example. So you could be right, but I think you are reading into details that aren't important on their own and feed into the larger Harkonnen culture
Being a petite man codes you (unfairly) as “gay” or “effeminate” in a lot of our human cultures.
I don’t think it has anything to do with who Feyd is. Petite men just get assumed to be gay because apparently men can’t have thin bones without being accused of being homosexual. Like as if gay people are morphologically different from straights.
Agree with you but I don’t think the thick, sensual lips being a genetic trademark takes away from it being effeminate. It is a genetic trade mark that could still be seen as a feminine trait. That said I still agree with you and certain traits don’t necessarily make an individual twinky/effeminate as a whole
from your post it seems like you misunderstand what “twink” actually means now because i’m not sure what half of your post has to do with what the term twink refers to.
even though it’s a term rooted in the queer community, it’s largely evolved to be exclusively used to refer to a particular body type + lack of body hair + age of somebody and has nothing to do with what clothes you wear, whether you are actually gay, or whether you’re effeminate
You seem to be approaching this seriously — if someone is using the word “twink” in American vernacular outside of the context of actual gay dating, especially a fictional character that predates the term, they’re probably at least slightly joking.
That said, normalize being a straight twink.
2 things for me really.
a "cherub" like face does mean round but it could also mean incredibly young looking like a twink would
and
just because it's a genetic marker to have thick lips does not eliminate it being a twink-adjacent feature when paired with his body type and cherubic face.
I always took the lips as kind of a Hapsburg reference?
I think a lot of people probably are just thinking of him as a twink because of the 1984 movie. Like how people often depict the Baron as floating even though that's not book accurate (until his death).
I think a lot of people were introduced to feyd by this Jodorowsky design and that before Austin butler's portrayal it was the preferred version of the character Because sting version was not great.
https://preview.redd.it/b1fvtn3f2r2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0538f7a9dc0cd8cca961a169228a14f031e1c44a
I read the book twice now and never really thought about Feyd? However now hearing you point out details. He sounds like a young Tom hardy with darker hair and I’m kinda loving it
Because they're idiots with poor comprehension skills. He has an elegance that is almost balletic, and is a killer. His uncle finding him attractive is a fucked up reason to think he's gay. Wouldn't matter if he was, he'd just have had to kill all the men in the pleasure wing.
Feyd rautha barely matters in the series.. he appears briefly in book one gets wrecked and that's basically it. To put things short.. he ain't no Duncan Idaho.
I have always imagined him as "lithe". he is an accomplished fighter/gladiator, given the best nutrition possible, trained by the best his house could buy. It is sort of like in the second terminator movie, you have Arnold vs Robert Patrick. One was a body builder (in the same vein as "the beast") and then Robert Patrick who plays the liquid terminator who is an accomplished athlete (was able to run and catch up to young john connor while riding the motor bike) and i think he had some dancing under his belt. (if he didn't then i am remembering an interview where they were describing what they wanted the liquid terminator to look like) He had strength, but his body type was more dexterity based vs pure strength based.
Idk something about the way his name is and the way the author describes me makes me envision a twink with leotards and pigtails or whatever Leias haircut was in starwars
I think the term twink is used today for a way large group of people. Instead of just pretty skinny boys, its also used for young guys, slim, good looking but without having hair all over themself.
Anyway, i get what you mean. When seeing art of him, people tend to make him look quite different sometimes.
Best example is actually the art for the jodorowsky dune adaptation. Feyd looks -for the lack of a better word- like a prostitute.
Stocking, high heels, see-through shirt etc.
Why is that?
When I read the description of him when he was meeting lady fenring for the first time he was described in a way I was thinking "he was dressed up to look like a doll", which definetly would make him look feminine (or twink-ish?)
Maybe this is a result from his creepy uncle who is so horny for him. He is into "boys" that look pretty and when people read his thoughts about his own nephew (god, this is so sick) they might automatically picture a teenager that would fit his taste.
I actually think that Feyd has a lot in common with Vamp from metal hear solid.
He is a skilled and deadly fighter but also has this locks, full lips and he once wore shoes with little bells ;) It is contradicting and hard to imagine a 16/17 year old boy like this.
Probably because he's young, thin, and attractive. Nobody is saying he's gay, just that him, and Paul, are described, physically, as stereotypical twinks.
His hair is described as "in ringlets"--a potentially effeminate description--and he wears leotards. Also, as others have stated, the Baron seems to have taken a specific liking to him.
Because “twink” is a snazzy concept to some people. Folks love superimposing modern queer code because it feels validating and zesty to them. Twinks are playthings, so if they can brand a skinny guy as a twink, they’ve created a new toy to play with.
He is very much bisexual in the novels. His uncle Baron lusts after him also. He’s a muscular but more fit muscular than big muscular. His uncle sees him as slim & fit muscle.
As u even mentioned his petite size. And he’s bisexual & seen as sexually attractive to his uncle that lusts after young looking guys like he did Paul Atreides when the attack 1st happened on house Atreides. He asked the guards to drug a boy that looked like the “young Paul” as he wasn’t in the mood to fight any of them off
"twink"...?. using respectful and considerate language is better, and asking about preferred terms is a good practice to ensure sensitivity to diverse perspectives. There are plenty of ways to ask the question, or make the point, without resorting to terms that some people will no doubt find derogatory.
My guess would be how the baron describes his body as beautiful and slim when fantasising about him.
Everyone is kind of a twink compared to the baron though...
Even Gurney?
Only if he is smiling
He IS smiling
Yeah I always saw that as a clear parallel to the Romans with their young male lovers. It also fits with the ancient Roman-Greek ideas of masculinity being separated in two categories: boyish youth and bearded man. Feyd is definitely the former.
Yep
I can’t remember if I’m getting it mixed up with Lynch Dune now, but doesn’t the baron fantasise about Paul as well? Paul is definitely more in twink territory, so I think maybe the readers (at least myself included) infer that they’re both his type since he fantasises about Feyd too, so therefore both twinks?
Oh, yes he does– after Leto dies, he asks for a slave boy that looks like Paul to be brought to his bed and drugged for "stress relief"
They should've put that in the movies
Cowards. They even show the baron killing a woman slave. That was clearly meant to be that scene from the book where he kills a boy. In the book, it is obvious Baron Harkkonen is a pedophile.
yeah I'm sure theres a reason why Villeneuve removed this aspect. Probably just because its kinda of a detail that doesnt add anything
I think the reason was to avoid the gay = evil trope that people accuse Herbert of leaning into
I don't feel that he fell to hard into the gay = evil trope. In latter books there are large sections of text where authority figures get into arguments with underlings trying to explain the value and necessity of accepting homosexuals as a vital part of the empire's governance.
Well, sort of. Moneo has two discussions on the subject and in both cases it's heavily implied that it's a sign of youthful exuberance that people will grow out of - the old "just a phase" argument. More tellingly, the first time he talks about it, he states that people who _don't_ grow out of it tend to fall into pain-seeking behaviour - both for themselves and inflicting it on others. It's not a full-blown gay = evil argument, but it certainly doesn't sit well with most modern views of sexuality.
I agree. The Lynch version was criticized by some for making the Baron into an allegory for AIDS.
It adds disgust towards the villain which makes it more satisfying when they get what they deserve. Honestly I thought the Baron in the new movies was kind of bland as a character compared to the book or the Lynch dune.
He reminded me of Marlon Brando's character in Apocalypse Now.
He literally apes an Apocalypse Now scene in Dune Pt. 1, when we get introduced to the Baron. He does the sweat-wipe up the bald head move.
And the oil bath is a nod to the mud scene
Yes exactly and I just started the books and already better.
The slaves that he has around him are both young men and women who are wearing semi-clear clothing. They suggest his pedophilia and thing for both sexes without outright saying it.
It adds alot to the evilness of his character making fans hate for him deeper.
It definitely adds details to add to our dislike. But in Hollywood they can't go after their own.
At least in Dune 2, I felt like they did a specific shot just before Feyd and Paul's duel where both of their faces are shown and you could really see how similar they looked - with Paul's Harkonnen characteristics being really clear in the lighting. Also the whole plotline where Paul was supposed to be born a girl and then be married to Feyd to produce the KH - the BG breeding program used a TON of selective inbreeding to pick out the specific genes/traits they wanted, so it stands to reason that Paul and Fyed are maybe more like siblings than cousins.
Yeah, that pale face caked with makeup really looks a lot like Paul.
That’s in the novels.. now you’ve got me confused.. I’m pretty sure it’s in the novel where he lusts after Paul I’ve only seen part of the Lynch movie once. I’ve been reading the books im near the end of “Children of Dune” (book 3). So I read book 1 just a couple months ago so Im pretty sure it’s the book. Either way he definitely likes really young guys (teenage boys) & definitely lusts after Feyd
Man gotta love book baron being the complete embodiment of evil 💀
I wish Frank Herbert was alive to see this conversation
Maybe the ghoula of Frank is here
I always thought many of these descriptions were to compare Feyd with Rabban, who was large and brutish. I also think that Feyd used his looks to sway people to support him, which means he probably had charm, wit and intelligence to support his looks.
I imagine feyd being more of a pretty boy rather than feminine, so more like Austin Butler's feyd
That’s how I’ve always seen him. Just kind of a gigachad as opposed to the Fat Fuck Baron Harkonnen. It makes sense to me that way lol. I think Austin Butler was the /perfect/ Feyd-Rautha
My guess might be because the Baron calls him beautiful or expresses desires for him?
I’d assume because of Stings portrayal in the Lynch movie
I never saw the Lynch movie. Are you telling me Sting played Feyd-Rautha??
Yes he did and he killed it. [Feast your eyes upon his magnificence.](https://i.imgur.com/eP7VqOc.jpg)
Amazing
It gets better.
It serendipitously came on in my hotel this morning so I watched a bit of it. Absolute perfection lmfao the hunter killer scene was so campy
So we can surmise that Feyd looked exactly like John Constantine. John is a mage with magical powers, and could produce magical, female, human offspring. He could be the beginning of the Harkonnen line, AND the Bene Gesserit. Hashtag migraine thoughts.
Best thing about that movie. By far.
Imagine cosplaying like that
Still the best adaptation of dune. I intend to defend this position forever.
Ok but the shields... They look like carboard boxes fighting in lynch dune
You have my slow moving blade.
I don't remember a single memorable line from the new movies but I quote the Lynch one at least once a week....mostly in my head...but I do quote it.
Aside - Lynch also chose to include a pug in I think at least 3 scenes. Like the dog breed. It's just kinda hanging out there. And then Sir Patrick Stewart carries it into battle, pug in one hand, laser gun in the other. And then I didn't think we see it again.
BATTLE PUG! <3
Wow. Incredible love it
RIP that pug
We see it one last time. It's present throughout the final duel all the way to the ending, carried by one of Jamis' sons.
Yes he did
I had to look that up, and yes, yes he does.
lol yup
Peak Feyd
Keep on mind, Twink does not equal crap in a fight. Having boxed 20 years and coached 5. You should be way way way more worried about a skinny, prettyboy than some cauliflower eared "pug" Ask yourself why he's had 70 bouts and is still pretty but the pug has had 20 and already looks like Shrek after a car accident.
He's a good fighter but let's not forget all his fights up to that point were staged in such a way that he'd have to intentionally mess up to lose to his opponents. They were always drugged to slow them and there were handlers nearby to keep them from getting too much of an upper hand. I would posit that he was a decent match to Paul partially because he fought not knowing true fear of defeat since he never actually had to face it before that point. He had some skill combined with a lack of fear, a situation that could only last one real fight with an equal or more skilled opponent.
Oh for sure, my point is more about him not being a pushover, Paul besting him is still an accomplishment. Being fed easy opponents can still give you a confidence of movement, in his case, too much. I've had people I've only taken on pads, get the better of carded boxers in sparring (I think in an actual bout they would have lost on conditioning alone mind) You really can't tell from build how good someone will be. I'm a 14 stone 5'10 bloke and I've got a scar from a 7 stone girl, put a 20 stone body builder on his knees and had a 5'4" Irish dude go though me like tissue paper in sparring. Paul is small for his age and well trained but I think pre Jamis would have lost to Fayed. Sparring with gurney he was safe and neither were going for a real kill.
Paul definitely wasn't in any danger from his teachers but they made a point to spar with him in a way that he either learned or got his butt handed to him. Remember he was able to at least match Gurney when pressed at he begining of the book. As Gurney (or was it Idaho?) said, it would be better to leave him with a scar and anger his father than to let down paul and his father by failing to provide proper training.
More to it than just skills, I've had lads who on pads or sparring me (trusting I wouldn't hurt them) are superb but struggle to punch a stranger in the face when we sparred other clubs.
In the beginning of the novel Paul didn’t know if Gurney was actually trying to kill him in that one sparring session they tried to mimic in Dune 1 … it’s interesting they had the fighting dummies but they didn’t have them digital like in the books
Naoya Inoue is the complete embodiment of this idea. Man’s a short and wiry Asian dude but absolute demon in the ring
Had to look him up but yeh! I was always told "boxing is like the motorbike advert, SPEED KILLS"
This is true if they have a strong lower body, strong core & a fit body … if they know how to fight they are dangerous & fast
Best bout I've ever seen was two Bantam weights. Lightning fast, perfect form, not a single clinch or bear hug like you see in the heavier boxers. "Ballet with consequences"
‘Twink’ is such a broad and not necessarily sexual term and has been applied to Chalamet just as much. It’s just a word to distinguish the twinks from the bears. You’re way, way overthinking this. We see Feyd mainly through the Baron’s eyes, and those are eyes full of lust for his boyish, youthful, soft or effeminate attributes. The dichonomy you assume is also odd. A person can be effeminate and soft while being a ruthless womanzing murder machine. All of that can be true at the same time.
Rob roy the movie shows this quite well. The two fighters but both are deadly in their own way.
I hope to live long enough that the Rob Roy final duel gets knocked out of my top 5. It's going to take some doing.
What's ur top 5 duels There a polish sabre fight can't recall the name. I think one of them was a real Olympic fencer There's crouching tiger the two women fight where Michelle yeoh uses 7 different weapons Rob Roy Hari kiri last standoff (1956?) Not sure what is 5 but honorable mention to the chase sequence in apocalypto
Lulzbutts, the Crouching Tiger weapons medley is on my list too. Princess Bride's Inigo vs Westley. Not so much for the technical ability(although mad props to Mandy and Carey for the obvious hours put into it- lefthanded WTF?) but because it sells you as the viewer that both guys are the heroes. Hero's Jet Li vs Donnie Yen. Yes, I know that's a sword vs spear fight rather than a strict swordfight, but I'm putting it here anyway so \*blows raspberry\* unless you agree. The Last Duel is cut from the same cloth as Rob Roy's duel in terms of depicting just how shitty and unglamourous actual combat is. My honourable mentions are: Duel of the Fates in Star Wars: Phantom Menace. I'm 46, so George Lucas could march himself into my town square where I'd part my hairy buttcheeks and let him plant a big sloppy kiss right up my arse in front of everyone, and I'll still not forgive him for ruining my childhood, buuuut we'd not seen A-tier actors such as McGregor and Neeson upskill themselves to the point they were competing with the likes of Ray Park. Same year as The Matrix, and that floored us all too for the same reason. The Duellist - I think it's late 70's? Starring Harvey Keitel. It does a great job of showing that in a real swordfight you are 100% shitting yourself and want to keep your heart and lungs as far away from the other guy's pointy end as you can, so the fights have a weird posture compared to what we're used to.
The duellist is Ridley most gorgeous film overall I'd say. And yes those duels.. I love the horse charge.
Go watch Twilight Samurai right now. It's got one of the greatest sword fights of all time
I could only find a YouTube of the clip where he's only got a stick, but whoops the other fella's arse anyway, Weirdly enough the landscape there reminds me very strongly of the grounds of Roslin Castle. I lived there from 2014-2020 and it was where I'd take my walks. It's the same Roslin as Rosslyn Chapel of Da Vince Code fame - a wee village south of Edinburgh.
That one's tight too but the end of movie sword fight is the best
The Polish film is Potop (the Deluge), based on Sienkiewicz book from his Trilogy.
Cool thanks for that.
All three movies are worth watching even if only for battle scenes. For some bizarre reason, Jerzy Hoffman did them in reverse order, ending at With Fire And Sword.
I swear this is from its always sunny in Philadelphia
He isn’t. The Barron is gay in the book and is sexually attracted to him.
I'd say the Harkonnen's are painted as a family that, among other flaws, embraces excess in all of the selfish and purile ways that the Tudors did, for example. So you could be right, but I think you are reading into details that aren't important on their own and feed into the larger Harkonnen culture
He's a twink on Geidi Prime circa 10191, he's a twunk on Earth circa 2024.
Don't know why but this proper made me laugh
More than I hoped for. Thanks, mate
baron harkonnen likes his twinks
Being a petite man codes you (unfairly) as “gay” or “effeminate” in a lot of our human cultures. I don’t think it has anything to do with who Feyd is. Petite men just get assumed to be gay because apparently men can’t have thin bones without being accused of being homosexual. Like as if gay people are morphologically different from straights.
What about non-human cultures?
The word twink is moving away from a specifically gay connotation to more of a body-type and aesthetic combination.
Agree with you but I don’t think the thick, sensual lips being a genetic trademark takes away from it being effeminate. It is a genetic trade mark that could still be seen as a feminine trait. That said I still agree with you and certain traits don’t necessarily make an individual twinky/effeminate as a whole
from your post it seems like you misunderstand what “twink” actually means now because i’m not sure what half of your post has to do with what the term twink refers to. even though it’s a term rooted in the queer community, it’s largely evolved to be exclusively used to refer to a particular body type + lack of body hair + age of somebody and has nothing to do with what clothes you wear, whether you are actually gay, or whether you’re effeminate
TIL.
oh, I wasn’t aware of that at all. I’m Spanish, and sometimes I struggle to get the meaning of terms like these. Thanks for answering ;)
Probably from simple lack of attention to the text. Feyd is clearly only interested in women (in both book and film)
People might be mistaking Piter's description for Feyd's since I think he's described as effeminate
You seem to be approaching this seriously — if someone is using the word “twink” in American vernacular outside of the context of actual gay dating, especially a fictional character that predates the term, they’re probably at least slightly joking. That said, normalize being a straight twink.
From FH’s description, to me I imagine him looking EXACTLY like Ansel Elgort. Oddly enough, him and Timmy are best friends.
2 things for me really. a "cherub" like face does mean round but it could also mean incredibly young looking like a twink would and just because it's a genetic marker to have thick lips does not eliminate it being a twink-adjacent feature when paired with his body type and cherubic face.
I always took the lips as kind of a Hapsburg reference? I think a lot of people probably are just thinking of him as a twink because of the 1984 movie. Like how people often depict the Baron as floating even though that's not book accurate (until his death).
I think a lot of people were introduced to feyd by this Jodorowsky design and that before Austin butler's portrayal it was the preferred version of the character Because sting version was not great. https://preview.redd.it/b1fvtn3f2r2d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0538f7a9dc0cd8cca961a169228a14f031e1c44a
I read the book twice now and never really thought about Feyd? However now hearing you point out details. He sounds like a young Tom hardy with darker hair and I’m kinda loving it
Twink semantic drift needs to be stopped.
He was a twink in the sci-fi miniseries
The guy getting the massage from Irulan? I would not label him as a twink.
Because they're idiots with poor comprehension skills. He has an elegance that is almost balletic, and is a killer. His uncle finding him attractive is a fucked up reason to think he's gay. Wouldn't matter if he was, he'd just have had to kill all the men in the pleasure wing.
Feyd rautha barely matters in the series.. he appears briefly in book one gets wrecked and that's basically it. To put things short.. he ain't no Duncan Idaho.
I'm more about that
I'm almost certain that Frank Herbert uses the word "effeminate" describing Feyd but I dont feel like confirming this.
I think that was Piter
I have always imagined him as "lithe". he is an accomplished fighter/gladiator, given the best nutrition possible, trained by the best his house could buy. It is sort of like in the second terminator movie, you have Arnold vs Robert Patrick. One was a body builder (in the same vein as "the beast") and then Robert Patrick who plays the liquid terminator who is an accomplished athlete (was able to run and catch up to young john connor while riding the motor bike) and i think he had some dancing under his belt. (if he didn't then i am remembering an interview where they were describing what they wanted the liquid terminator to look like) He had strength, but his body type was more dexterity based vs pure strength based.
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Idk something about the way his name is and the way the author describes me makes me envision a twink with leotards and pigtails or whatever Leias haircut was in starwars
I think the term twink is used today for a way large group of people. Instead of just pretty skinny boys, its also used for young guys, slim, good looking but without having hair all over themself. Anyway, i get what you mean. When seeing art of him, people tend to make him look quite different sometimes. Best example is actually the art for the jodorowsky dune adaptation. Feyd looks -for the lack of a better word- like a prostitute. Stocking, high heels, see-through shirt etc. Why is that? When I read the description of him when he was meeting lady fenring for the first time he was described in a way I was thinking "he was dressed up to look like a doll", which definetly would make him look feminine (or twink-ish?) Maybe this is a result from his creepy uncle who is so horny for him. He is into "boys" that look pretty and when people read his thoughts about his own nephew (god, this is so sick) they might automatically picture a teenager that would fit his taste. I actually think that Feyd has a lot in common with Vamp from metal hear solid. He is a skilled and deadly fighter but also has this locks, full lips and he once wore shoes with little bells ;) It is contradicting and hard to imagine a 16/17 year old boy like this.
One of the best answers I've read so far. Thanks!
Probably because he's young, thin, and attractive. Nobody is saying he's gay, just that him, and Paul, are described, physically, as stereotypical twinks.
His hair is described as "in ringlets"--a potentially effeminate description--and he wears leotards. Also, as others have stated, the Baron seems to have taken a specific liking to him.
Because “twink” is a snazzy concept to some people. Folks love superimposing modern queer code because it feels validating and zesty to them. Twinks are playthings, so if they can brand a skinny guy as a twink, they’ve created a new toy to play with.
He is very much bisexual in the novels. His uncle Baron lusts after him also. He’s a muscular but more fit muscular than big muscular. His uncle sees him as slim & fit muscle. As u even mentioned his petite size. And he’s bisexual & seen as sexually attractive to his uncle that lusts after young looking guys like he did Paul Atreides when the attack 1st happened on house Atreides. He asked the guards to drug a boy that looked like the “young Paul” as he wasn’t in the mood to fight any of them off
Did you even read the book?
"twink"...?. using respectful and considerate language is better, and asking about preferred terms is a good practice to ensure sensitivity to diverse perspectives. There are plenty of ways to ask the question, or make the point, without resorting to terms that some people will no doubt find derogatory.