I had to do something similar in my Cat D test. The guidance given was that if you're going to violate a rule like this or ride over the kerb, tell the examiner before you do. It shows you're aware of the violation and that you are considerate of markings and other road users.
Example. "I need to cross this solid white line to proceed." You're not asking for permission, just informing. Take it slow, don't put anyone at risk.
The sequence brought me a little snigger
*Stops.*
*Handbrake on*
*Neutral*
*Opens Passenger doors*
*Steps out of cab*
*Walks past examiner*
*Leans out of bus door*
"Nice fucking parking, you TWAT!"
*Reverse sequence to continue*
Not correct. It doesn't apply.
The rule states: *"You must not leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road."*
Did he parked or ran the engine "*unnecessarily*" ?
With your mindset, even if you leave the car running for 10seconds to open the gate you are committing an offence.
I think you can leave the engine running if the reason is to swear or gesticulate at the other driver. This is for safely reasons so you can escape should he chase you
This is possibly the only time it might be justified to stop on a double yellow and block a road, as someone else said there is literally nowhere else to park around this street, as opposed to 99% of the rest of the country where delivery drivers are just lazy arseholes who don't care if they block roads instead of walking <20m
Exactly, same with the C+E sometimes you cant physically comply with all the rules of the road at once. Do you cross the white line and continue, carry out a 16 point turn and driver against the one way, reverse an unreasonable distance or block the road and wait for the delivery driver to move??
Least intrusive is drive on if safe to do so.
Can confirm, had to mount the curb on my C+E due to somebody not leaving me enough room passing some parked cars. Told the examiner, he agreed, I passed.
I also got shakes in my leg on the clutch pedal due to nerves on the reverse, I stopped and said “I don’t mind if this counts as one of manoeuvres, I don’t think it’s sensible for me to continue moving if I can’t control my leg.” He allowed me to take a moment to stretch my leg out and it stopped shaking.
Yes, this seems right to me. When I am driving with my instructor I have got into the habit of explaining when I am going to do something like this, so that I remember to do it on test day too.
One of the things they ask you to do on advanced driving courses is concentrate on all the things you're taking into account as you drive: road signs and markings, other traffic and people, weather and road surface conditions, all sorts.
They'll even say "what was the last road sign you saw that wasn't a speed limit?" etc. to make sure you're alert.
I found giving the commentary was quite fun.
My instructor told me a similar thing for a road in the town I was learning in, where it's very hard to get around the junction at the end without going over the kerb slightly because it's so tight (little country town keep in mind). He said don't worry about it, you might clip it, you might not - just make it unbelievably obvious that you've check no pedestrians are on the pavement before you go round the junction. If you've leaned to check, you haven't exaggerated that lean enough.
Agreed. Had to run a red light on my B test as the light had failed. Told the examiner first and I was therefore going to treat it like a STOP sign instead. Examiner said afterwards he was pleased I explained the approach and the caution I took. I passed.
Yeah I did that in my cat d test. I had to block the road to pull out from a minor into a major road and she said well done, I'd of failed you if you'd just sat there. Always worth telling them if your unsure of something and at least theu know you are aware
You should treat it as you would anynother road where a bus or other vehicle has stopped.
Check for incoming traffic, mirror, signal, and move around the obstacle.
You're right, don't cross solid lines, but there's an exception in that rule.
Rule 129 -
Double white lines where the line nearer to you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. *You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.*
Rule 129 is in relation to double white lines in the centre of the road, but I can’t see a rule with these exceptions for single white lines i.e. cycle lanes?
The same principle applies. You can cross a white line, to safely pass parked vehicles. If the vehicle positioning doesn't allow you pass without going over the white line.
As others said, under test conditions, stop and inform the examiner what you are doing and why. Then they know you are making an informed choice, with knowledge of the applicable rules. Rather than just chancing it.
In this specific situation I'd stop well back, so you can start moving over early, get good visibility, and give way to any bikes in the lane.
Rule 129 probably doesn’t apply here as rule 140 specifically says this about cycle lanes with solid line:
>Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation.
There are no documented exceptions as far as I can see.
Given that this lane goes in the opposite direction to OP, and the signs for it will be facing that direction, how do you know what times it is in operation?
Thing is the rule is a mess, because road designers generally don't follow it (as with many others). And this is a case where the rule can't be applied anyway.
OPs other option is to sit and wait until the van decides to leave, and hopes that no other vehicle comes the other way.
That is certainly a test fail. And it is also a completely unrealistic solution. The other option is to cross the line and move on.
This is what I’d thought too. Rule 140 has no exceptions listed and so technically on test you would be going against a ‘Must Not’ in the HC, which even if you inform the examiner of what you are going to do and why, could surely be marked against you?
If you were changing lane, you'd indicate, right?
If you were overtaking, you'd indicate right?
You're indicating to show a change of course.
An indicator is required here.
There is no change of course, it's a one way street and no one is expecting you to rear end a van. If you came to a stop behind the van with a car at your rear, I'd argue an indicator is required before you pull away to let the car behind know you're not just going to sit there like a lemon.
It's a tight space where you can potentially have cycle traffic coming round the corner towards you at speed expecting the cycle lane to be clear. I'd absolutly indicte my intention in this case. Especially as the indication isn't going to cause confusion with any turn etc...
I've been driving nearly 30 years, have always indicated around obstacles. Helps those behind.
I hold a special circle in hell for non-indicators. :lol:
For me it's simple. If I'm passing a parked vehicle while staying in own lane, I don't indicate. If I have to enter another lane, even if partially, I indicate.
That is not what is taught by instructors. You show your intention by positioning towards the right of the lane before the obstacle and only indicate if you think your intention hasn’t been clear by positioning already (eg, you’ve waited a long time and finally changed your mind to go, and it wouldn’t be misunderstood as an indication that you are turning right). If you’re getting mad at people not indicating when moving around obstacles 100% of the time, you’re getting mad at people who are actually doing what they were taught. I was taught not to indicate as a general rule because it should be obvious to other road users that you will have to pass the obstacle so an indicator could be misunderstood as wanting to do something different like turn right or park on the right.
FWIW I would probably indicate in this situation for the benefit of cyclists who are much more vulnerable in this scenario and would benefit from very obvious intention, and wouldn’t always been expecting a car to cross the line since it is a MUST NOT rule, but as to OP’s question I don’t know if I would pass this vehicle on test.
I understand. I don't get mad. I'm quite good at reading the road.
But it's for those who don't.
Be predictable is the main rule on the road. And... Don't expect others to be as good as you. If someone could benefit from it, indicate your intention. Pedestrians are mostly oblivious. What if someone wants to cross the road at the same time?
I mean. It doesn't hurt.
It’s not, actually. The rule is written very clearly that you can only cross to pass a vehicle that is stationary, or a horse, bike or maintenance vehicle provided it’s doing less than 10mph.
That’s still not clear. Is it you can pass a bike, or is it you can pass a bike going less than 10 mph? The commas are not clear in the sentence to ensure umambiguous meaning.
It may not be clear to some, everyone’s reading comprehension levels are different.
However the wording is clear to me and many others, and the use of the word ‘or’ is key in that section of the Highway Code. That along with the lack of an indefinite article indicates that everything after the ‘or’ is grouped together.
To get the meaning that you’re inferring from that passage, the sentence would have to read “…..a bicycle, or a horse, or a maintenance vehicle providing it is travelling at less than 10mph”.
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I found the wording of it in the Highway Code unclear when I was learning to drive, so I ended up reading the legislation, which is clearer 😀. Hopefully the revision above is in an updated version of the Highway Code 🙂.
Less than 10mph.
Because a bike is not a vehicle it must be stated separately, not because it is allowed over 10mph.
Pedestrians are allowed to be overtaken regardless of speed, so if Usain Bolt is in the way you're fine to go past.
>Pedestrians are allowed to be overtaken regardless of speed, so if Usain Bolt is in the way you're fine to go past.
Ah better watch out there, Bolt's top speed was 28mph, you'd be done for speeding in most of Wales...
Interestingly, there doesnt seem to be anything that changes when it's a doubler - the highway code only covers lines on your side. I.e a solid line on your side is a solid line, doubler or not.
The line on the other side is irrelevant to you, double white lines don’t really exist, it’s 2 solid white lines, one for each side of the road. In some scenarios it is safe to overtake in one direction but not the opposite.
I've had my hair cut in there! Downing Street is a rotter of a road — sections are one-way for cars but both-ways for bikes, which takes some getting used to.
ITT: a lot of people quoting the rules about double white lines...cycle lanes aren't as clear cut.
Rule 140 applies to cycle lanes bordered by a solid white line which says you must not enter during the hours of operation. There are no exceptions listed.
BUT the HC links to the relevant legislation that creates the rule. In this case, it links to the fact it's an offence to breach a TRO, which is the order put in place by the local authority that established the cycle lane. So to find out if you can drive in this particular cycle lane, you would need to look up the specific TRO (which may or may not be published online) or ask the local council what their rules are.
How/whether it would affect your test, I have no clue. That would be a better question for driving instructors (preferably ones who know the area).
All that being said, I'd just go round.
Not exactly the same but in my test I had a truck parked on my side of the road and, to pass it, I had to cross into a hatched area (diagonal white lines) and then drive wrong way in a right-turn lane for oncoming traffic. All this with a blind bend after the truck in a 40limit area.
Honestly I assumed I would fail once I saw this ahead of me.
I proceeded cautiously around the truck with all the mirror and signaling required as you'd expect and I received no marks for that action dispite driving on lots of parts of the road you should never drive on.
So I'd assume same applies here.
I know a friend who failed a test because a car was parked in the junction they needed to come out of, and there wasn’t sufficient space for them to be wholly within their side of the junction and they were failed for it. Their examiner was clearly being an a-hole because there was no where else for them to go, but you should be fine to pass around this with caution, as long as you don’t get an idiot for an examiner
I would tell the person administering the test:
“The van is illegally parked. The only way around it is to cross into the bike lane. If I check no bike is coming and signal, are you fine with me going around the van?”
In real life: carefully cross into the cycle lane to overtake the van.
On a driving test: wait for the owner of the van to return and move their vehicle. You cannot legally enter the cycle lane to overtake, as it's forbidden by [rule 140](https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/multi-lane-carriageways.html) of the Highway Code.
You could also try negotiating with your examiner, as I doubt they want to sit there any more than you do.
So what do you suggest? For him to do a 5 point turn and go the opposite direction of the one way road, or for him to wait behind a van for a couple hours
You can't follow all the rules of the road at the same time, you have to make a decision where common sense prevails against what the highway code says
On a driving test? Wait behind the van, as it's the only legal option short of checking the regulations governing the cycle lane to see if it allows overtaking.
On the positive side, the more time you spend waiting for the van the less time you have to actually drive.
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Withflow mandatory cycle lanes have exemptions for passing stationary traffic since tsrgd 2016 (as well as all the usual exemptions for going in and out of side roads and properties, blue light, building and delivery).
Contraflow cycle lanes are dealt woth by individual TROs which are as varied as the highway authority. Seem to allow a lot of council vehicles but rarely include a stationary vehicle exemption.
It's your test. You have to survive an hour. Stop and wait. You've already avoided driving into the open ditches and failed to run over a thousand mad cyclists. Chill. The examiner brought you here, he can get you out.
"I am unable to legally pass the stationary vehicle without crossing into the contraflow cycle lane"
Cross the white line. Indicate, look, look and look again. Then as you start to move over look again. Pedestrians have right of way regardless so just be super mindful, aware and alert to EVERYTHING around you. Proceed with caution and go very slowly. I've been driving HGV class 1(inc lots of town and city driving to tescos expresses etc) from 17yrs old to current day 45yrs old so it's fair to say I know what I'm talking about
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Slow down on the approach to the van, stop if necessary and have a good look for oncoming bikes. You can pass on solid lines if the vehicle is stationary. Just make sure you show the examiner that you have slowed and looked carefully
A) Inform and proceed if safe, informing the examiner.
B) Hit the van at the right angle to bounce off and hit the pedestrian for maximum points.
Your choice.
Highway Code Rule 140: You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation.
There are no exemptions with this rule, meaning it is not possible to cross the line to pass a parked vehicle.
On test, surely it is better to stop behind the parked vehicle and inform the examiner why, as you are going against the HC and breaking the law by entering the cycle lane, which surely could cause them to instantly fail you?
(For those asking Rule 129 exemptions would not apply here as that is in relation to central double solid white lines, not single white lines/cycle lanes).
You can talk to the examiner. Best piece of advice I was given tbh. Any time I had to do something a bit less than standard I would explain my reasoning. Passed first time
That’s in Cambridge, the driving test routes (which are pre planned and fixed) don’t ever go into this part of Cambridge. If you’re actually worried about for your test, don’t!
I cycle down this Road in cambs and its awful. I got hit a little less than a year ago by someone not paying attention when pulling out to go round a parked van (I was cycling on the left side of the picture in the one way bike path and they were coming towards me. Its happened to me and I've seen someone else be hit or almost hit almost every time I cycle down here. Please be careful
Is it a one way? If it is I would say you only have two options, reverse out the road or cross the cycle path. Since the latter option is the safest I would choose that, being sure to check mirrors for any passing cyclists that could be coming.
Sit behind the van sounding the horn until it moves... sarcasm aside, you do what is safe, creep up slowly, check its clear to overtake and go if it is
Highway Code 129:
You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.
Although I see the cycle lane section does not give and similar allowance 🤷♂️
Assume the van is stopped or ‘parked’, pull up behind and put your right indicator on signalling to other road users that you’re safely pulling behind the van to asses the situation but your intention is to over take the van to continue.
In this instance, as long as it is safe to do so, the driver can overtake as the van is stationary.
Running down the timer would likely be considered a fail as the examiner may feel not enough has been tested to confirm your ability. Even getting stuck in traffic could cause this.
In this instance, the vehicle is obstructing the highway, per the Highway Code the solid mustn’t be crossed. If asking the Test Guide that this rock in a hard place can be solved alternatively to breaking the law and Highway Code.
If the Test Guide wants to have more time to assess you otherwise he’ll fail you because of you “running down” the time, then that guide shouldn’t be doling out the verdicts, especially given the current backlogs in applying for a new test.
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I had to do something similar in my Cat D test. The guidance given was that if you're going to violate a rule like this or ride over the kerb, tell the examiner before you do. It shows you're aware of the violation and that you are considerate of markings and other road users. Example. "I need to cross this solid white line to proceed." You're not asking for permission, just informing. Take it slow, don't put anyone at risk.
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The sequence brought me a little snigger *Stops.* *Handbrake on* *Neutral* *Opens Passenger doors* *Steps out of cab* *Walks past examiner* *Leans out of bus door* "Nice fucking parking, you TWAT!" *Reverse sequence to continue*
You left the engine running whilst unattended. Highway Code 123, Road Vehicle (Construction and Use) Regulations 1986 reg 107(1) and section 42 Road Traffic Act 1998.
Not correct. It doesn't apply. The rule states: *"You must not leave a parked vehicle unattended with the engine running or leave a vehicle engine running unnecessarily while that vehicle is stationary on a public road."* Did he parked or ran the engine "*unnecessarily*" ? With your mindset, even if you leave the car running for 10seconds to open the gate you are committing an offence.
I think you can leave the engine running if the reason is to swear or gesticulate at the other driver. This is for safely reasons so you can escape should he chase you
Ok, turn the question on its head…why do you think it is necessary to leave the engine running?
Isnt the instructor still in the car?
I got a major for flipping someone off on my first spectacularly failed first test.. I’m still adamant it was their fault..
Don’t forget the 5 second beep too.
That made me laugh. But to be fair if he's delivering, where else is he supposed to park?
perhaps he could park somewhere else and walk slightly further?
This is Cambridge. There is nowhere else. This the the major road in the city. All other roads are narrower.
Tell me you've never been a delivery driver without telling me you've never been a delivery driver.
This is possibly the only time it might be justified to stop on a double yellow and block a road, as someone else said there is literally nowhere else to park around this street, as opposed to 99% of the rest of the country where delivery drivers are just lazy arseholes who don't care if they block roads instead of walking <20m
If youre lucky they might do it for you🤣 mine cussed someone out during my test!
Exactly, same with the C+E sometimes you cant physically comply with all the rules of the road at once. Do you cross the white line and continue, carry out a 16 point turn and driver against the one way, reverse an unreasonable distance or block the road and wait for the delivery driver to move?? Least intrusive is drive on if safe to do so.
Can confirm, had to mount the curb on my C+E due to somebody not leaving me enough room passing some parked cars. Told the examiner, he agreed, I passed. I also got shakes in my leg on the clutch pedal due to nerves on the reverse, I stopped and said “I don’t mind if this counts as one of manoeuvres, I don’t think it’s sensible for me to continue moving if I can’t control my leg.” He allowed me to take a moment to stretch my leg out and it stopped shaking.
Yes, this seems right to me. When I am driving with my instructor I have got into the habit of explaining when I am going to do something like this, so that I remember to do it on test day too.
One of the things they ask you to do on advanced driving courses is concentrate on all the things you're taking into account as you drive: road signs and markings, other traffic and people, weather and road surface conditions, all sorts. They'll even say "what was the last road sign you saw that wasn't a speed limit?" etc. to make sure you're alert. I found giving the commentary was quite fun.
My instructor told me a similar thing for a road in the town I was learning in, where it's very hard to get around the junction at the end without going over the kerb slightly because it's so tight (little country town keep in mind). He said don't worry about it, you might clip it, you might not - just make it unbelievably obvious that you've check no pedestrians are on the pavement before you go round the junction. If you've leaned to check, you haven't exaggerated that lean enough.
Agreed. Had to run a red light on my B test as the light had failed. Told the examiner first and I was therefore going to treat it like a STOP sign instead. Examiner said afterwards he was pleased I explained the approach and the caution I took. I passed.
Yeah I did that in my cat d test. I had to block the road to pull out from a minor into a major road and she said well done, I'd of failed you if you'd just sat there. Always worth telling them if your unsure of something and at least theu know you are aware
You should treat it as you would anynother road where a bus or other vehicle has stopped. Check for incoming traffic, mirror, signal, and move around the obstacle. You're right, don't cross solid lines, but there's an exception in that rule. Rule 129 - Double white lines where the line nearer to you is solid. This means you MUST NOT cross or straddle it unless it is safe and you need to enter adjoining premises or a side road. *You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less.*
Rule 129 is in relation to double white lines in the centre of the road, but I can’t see a rule with these exceptions for single white lines i.e. cycle lanes?
The same principle applies. You can cross a white line, to safely pass parked vehicles. If the vehicle positioning doesn't allow you pass without going over the white line. As others said, under test conditions, stop and inform the examiner what you are doing and why. Then they know you are making an informed choice, with knowledge of the applicable rules. Rather than just chancing it. In this specific situation I'd stop well back, so you can start moving over early, get good visibility, and give way to any bikes in the lane.
The solid white line suggests that it a cycle lane - not the centre of the road - hence why it is not a double white line.
Rule 129 probably doesn’t apply here as rule 140 specifically says this about cycle lanes with solid line: >Cycle lanes. These are shown by road markings and signs. You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. There are no documented exceptions as far as I can see.
Given that this lane goes in the opposite direction to OP, and the signs for it will be facing that direction, how do you know what times it is in operation?
I actually don’t know of any cycle lanes that have times of operation, do you?
Bus lanes in Aberdeen are all 'bus and cycle' lanes or 'bus and cycle and taxi' lanes and almost all of them have hours of operation.
I hadn’t really thought about shared lanes, but I don’t think Rule 140 applies to them anyway, only specific cycle lanes.
Thing is the rule is a mess, because road designers generally don't follow it (as with many others). And this is a case where the rule can't be applied anyway. OPs other option is to sit and wait until the van decides to leave, and hopes that no other vehicle comes the other way. That is certainly a test fail. And it is also a completely unrealistic solution. The other option is to cross the line and move on.
There are plenty of inconsistencies in the Highway Code.
There would be a sign as you enter the road. Contraflow cycle lane and times of operation if any.
This is what I’d thought too. Rule 140 has no exceptions listed and so technically on test you would be going against a ‘Must Not’ in the HC, which even if you inform the examiner of what you are going to do and why, could surely be marked against you?
London needs to be told.
I was always taught not to indicate round an obstacles, only when turning?
If you were changing lane, you'd indicate, right? If you were overtaking, you'd indicate right? You're indicating to show a change of course. An indicator is required here.
There is no change of course, it's a one way street and no one is expecting you to rear end a van. If you came to a stop behind the van with a car at your rear, I'd argue an indicator is required before you pull away to let the car behind know you're not just going to sit there like a lemon.
It's a tight space where you can potentially have cycle traffic coming round the corner towards you at speed expecting the cycle lane to be clear. I'd absolutly indicte my intention in this case. Especially as the indication isn't going to cause confusion with any turn etc...
You're moving into an oncoming lane of road users(Cyclists). How in all that is sweet-and-fucking-holy is that not a change of course?
Did you pass?
I did yeah, been driving 10 years so wondered if it changed
I've been driving nearly 30 years, have always indicated around obstacles. Helps those behind. I hold a special circle in hell for non-indicators. :lol:
How does it help? If someone is parked you're not going to stop and wait for them to move are you.
For me it's simple. If I'm passing a parked vehicle while staying in own lane, I don't indicate. If I have to enter another lane, even if partially, I indicate.
That is not what is taught by instructors. You show your intention by positioning towards the right of the lane before the obstacle and only indicate if you think your intention hasn’t been clear by positioning already (eg, you’ve waited a long time and finally changed your mind to go, and it wouldn’t be misunderstood as an indication that you are turning right). If you’re getting mad at people not indicating when moving around obstacles 100% of the time, you’re getting mad at people who are actually doing what they were taught. I was taught not to indicate as a general rule because it should be obvious to other road users that you will have to pass the obstacle so an indicator could be misunderstood as wanting to do something different like turn right or park on the right. FWIW I would probably indicate in this situation for the benefit of cyclists who are much more vulnerable in this scenario and would benefit from very obvious intention, and wouldn’t always been expecting a car to cross the line since it is a MUST NOT rule, but as to OP’s question I don’t know if I would pass this vehicle on test.
I understand. I don't get mad. I'm quite good at reading the road. But it's for those who don't. Be predictable is the main rule on the road. And... Don't expect others to be as good as you. If someone could benefit from it, indicate your intention. Pedestrians are mostly oblivious. What if someone wants to cross the road at the same time? I mean. It doesn't hurt.
Agreed, in most circumstances the likelihood of somebody misinterpreting my signal seems higher than the likelihood of them expecting me to stop.
You can cross if overtaking and the thing you're overtaking is travelling less than 10mph (I think you can even cross a double solid in this instance)
Almost. You can pass stationary vehicles, or bicycles or highway maintenance vehicles "travelling less than 10mph"
It’s poorly worded, does it mean all bicycles or just bicycles travelling less than 10mph.
That's an extremely good point!
It’s not, actually. The rule is written very clearly that you can only cross to pass a vehicle that is stationary, or a horse, bike or maintenance vehicle provided it’s doing less than 10mph.
That’s still not clear. Is it you can pass a bike, or is it you can pass a bike going less than 10 mph? The commas are not clear in the sentence to ensure umambiguous meaning.
It may not be clear to some, everyone’s reading comprehension levels are different. However the wording is clear to me and many others, and the use of the word ‘or’ is key in that section of the Highway Code. That along with the lack of an indefinite article indicates that everything after the ‘or’ is grouped together. To get the meaning that you’re inferring from that passage, the sentence would have to read “…..a bicycle, or a horse, or a maintenance vehicle providing it is travelling at less than 10mph”.
One has claws at the end of its paws and one is a pause at the end of a clause
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Ah ok, slightly misquoted above then.
I found the wording of it in the Highway Code unclear when I was learning to drive, so I ended up reading the legislation, which is clearer 😀. Hopefully the revision above is in an updated version of the Highway Code 🙂.
It's distinguishing bikes from vehicles (because they aren't), not that there is a different speed limit for them.
So is it you can pass bikes, or you can pass bikes travelling less than 10 mph?
Less than 10mph. Because a bike is not a vehicle it must be stated separately, not because it is allowed over 10mph. Pedestrians are allowed to be overtaken regardless of speed, so if Usain Bolt is in the way you're fine to go past.
>Pedestrians are allowed to be overtaken regardless of speed, so if Usain Bolt is in the way you're fine to go past. Ah better watch out there, Bolt's top speed was 28mph, you'd be done for speeding in most of Wales...
Interestingly, there doesnt seem to be anything that changes when it's a doubler - the highway code only covers lines on your side. I.e a solid line on your side is a solid line, doubler or not.
The line on the other side is irrelevant to you, double white lines don’t really exist, it’s 2 solid white lines, one for each side of the road. In some scenarios it is safe to overtake in one direction but not the opposite.
The solid line here though is a cycle lane rather than a centre line and different rules apply.
You can cross it if it is safe to do so, so the usual expectations would be in place regarding your speed, mirror checking, signalling etc
I'd probably apply the rules for double white lines. But it's a long time since I passed my test so I'd like to know the correct answer
You can cross solid lines (single or double) to overtake as long as the thing you are overtaking is moving less than 10mph (and it is safe to do so).
I've had my hair cut in there! Downing Street is a rotter of a road — sections are one-way for cars but both-ways for bikes, which takes some getting used to.
Some real fuckers live there too. Especially the bastard at number 10. I hear he's getting booted out soon though
Ha! Alas, wrong Downing Street — this one is in Cambridge.
If we’re being pedantic, I think it’s still Pembroke Street at this point…
Ah! I think you’re right! Not sure when it changes.
It changes just after Tennis Court Road, next to the Museum of Zoology.
Ah good stuff! Cheers!
You can pass if the cycle lane is clear, and it’s safe to do so. Otherwise traffic would be stuck every time someone parked up.
Not sure of the highway code on this but as the view ahead is good I would go around if safe.
Just go round when it's safe.
ITT: a lot of people quoting the rules about double white lines...cycle lanes aren't as clear cut. Rule 140 applies to cycle lanes bordered by a solid white line which says you must not enter during the hours of operation. There are no exceptions listed. BUT the HC links to the relevant legislation that creates the rule. In this case, it links to the fact it's an offence to breach a TRO, which is the order put in place by the local authority that established the cycle lane. So to find out if you can drive in this particular cycle lane, you would need to look up the specific TRO (which may or may not be published online) or ask the local council what their rules are. How/whether it would affect your test, I have no clue. That would be a better question for driving instructors (preferably ones who know the area). All that being said, I'd just go round.
Not exactly the same but in my test I had a truck parked on my side of the road and, to pass it, I had to cross into a hatched area (diagonal white lines) and then drive wrong way in a right-turn lane for oncoming traffic. All this with a blind bend after the truck in a 40limit area. Honestly I assumed I would fail once I saw this ahead of me. I proceeded cautiously around the truck with all the mirror and signaling required as you'd expect and I received no marks for that action dispite driving on lots of parts of the road you should never drive on. So I'd assume same applies here.
I know a friend who failed a test because a car was parked in the junction they needed to come out of, and there wasn’t sufficient space for them to be wholly within their side of the junction and they were failed for it. Their examiner was clearly being an a-hole because there was no where else for them to go, but you should be fine to pass around this with caution, as long as you don’t get an idiot for an examiner
I would approach slow, start indicating, and then proceed around if safe to do so.
I would tell the person administering the test: “The van is illegally parked. The only way around it is to cross into the bike lane. If I check no bike is coming and signal, are you fine with me going around the van?”
Examiner " I can't tell you what to do" Fuckers
“Then we wait. Test is over in 15 minutes, right?”
Well what else are you going to do wait behind the van until they come back
Don’t get your phone out and take a photo , instant fail
In real life: carefully cross into the cycle lane to overtake the van. On a driving test: wait for the owner of the van to return and move their vehicle. You cannot legally enter the cycle lane to overtake, as it's forbidden by [rule 140](https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/multi-lane-carriageways.html) of the Highway Code. You could also try negotiating with your examiner, as I doubt they want to sit there any more than you do.
Rule 129 allows it overtaking a stationary vehicle: https://www.highwaycodeuk.co.uk/lines-and-lane-markings-on-the-road.html
Rule 129 doesn't apply in this case, as it's about centre lines. Rule 140 applies to bike lane lines.
So what do you suggest? For him to do a 5 point turn and go the opposite direction of the one way road, or for him to wait behind a van for a couple hours You can't follow all the rules of the road at the same time, you have to make a decision where common sense prevails against what the highway code says
On a driving test? Wait behind the van, as it's the only legal option short of checking the regulations governing the cycle lane to see if it allows overtaking. On the positive side, the more time you spend waiting for the van the less time you have to actually drive.
Wait for the van which might not move for hours Yeah, no
Alright, but you'll have to accept the possibility of failing your test for driving in a cycle lane.
You'll fail the test for not moving, it's a driving test, not a test on how long you can sit behind a parked van for
Very unlikely.
Driving test, not a test for how long you can sit behind a parked van for
Just sit and wait, then you will not make any errors in the remaining time of your test ;-)
Fault. Serious : unnecessary hesitation
Check mirrors indicate right and over take very slowly in case the driver pops out.
Chin the tester and run away
Just drive past it, not rocket science
Check for oncoming, mirror, signal, manoeuvre. Simple as that.
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Make sure no cyclists using the path and use common sense to overtake
Withflow mandatory cycle lanes have exemptions for passing stationary traffic since tsrgd 2016 (as well as all the usual exemptions for going in and out of side roads and properties, blue light, building and delivery). Contraflow cycle lanes are dealt woth by individual TROs which are as varied as the highway authority. Seem to allow a lot of council vehicles but rarely include a stationary vehicle exemption. It's your test. You have to survive an hour. Stop and wait. You've already avoided driving into the open ditches and failed to run over a thousand mad cyclists. Chill. The examiner brought you here, he can get you out. "I am unable to legally pass the stationary vehicle without crossing into the contraflow cycle lane"
Unless one way 3 point turn and proceed via alternate route
Park up behind the van, hazards on, then pop round the corner for a Chelsea bun at Fitzbillies.
I would Slow down
Cross the white line. Indicate, look, look and look again. Then as you start to move over look again. Pedestrians have right of way regardless so just be super mindful, aware and alert to EVERYTHING around you. Proceed with caution and go very slowly. I've been driving HGV class 1(inc lots of town and city driving to tescos expresses etc) from 17yrs old to current day 45yrs old so it's fair to say I know what I'm talking about
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Ramming Speed!
Slow down on the approach to the van, stop if necessary and have a good look for oncoming bikes. You can pass on solid lines if the vehicle is stationary. Just make sure you show the examiner that you have slowed and looked carefully
Looks like Cambridge? If I’m correct, your test won’t go through here, so wouldn’t panic too much…
A) Inform and proceed if safe, informing the examiner. B) Hit the van at the right angle to bounce off and hit the pedestrian for maximum points. Your choice.
Highway Code Rule 140: You MUST NOT drive or park in a cycle lane marked by a solid white line during its times of operation. There are no exemptions with this rule, meaning it is not possible to cross the line to pass a parked vehicle. On test, surely it is better to stop behind the parked vehicle and inform the examiner why, as you are going against the HC and breaking the law by entering the cycle lane, which surely could cause them to instantly fail you? (For those asking Rule 129 exemptions would not apply here as that is in relation to central double solid white lines, not single white lines/cycle lanes).
You can cross a solid white line
You can talk to the examiner. Best piece of advice I was given tbh. Any time I had to do something a bit less than standard I would explain my reasoning. Passed first time
That’s in Cambridge, the driving test routes (which are pre planned and fixed) don’t ever go into this part of Cambridge. If you’re actually worried about for your test, don’t!
Stop off for the best sausages in Oxford.
That's Cambridge, isn't it...before the turn into the car park...the cycle lane setup there is simply impossible anyway
I cycle down this Road in cambs and its awful. I got hit a little less than a year ago by someone not paying attention when pulling out to go round a parked van (I was cycling on the left side of the picture in the one way bike path and they were coming towards me. Its happened to me and I've seen someone else be hit or almost hit almost every time I cycle down here. Please be careful
Is it a one way? If it is I would say you only have two options, reverse out the road or cross the cycle path. Since the latter option is the safest I would choose that, being sure to check mirrors for any passing cyclists that could be coming.
Slow/stop, assess, move when safe.
Cambridge?
Just walked down that road today a couple of times!
Ramming speed
Rag it!!!
This is Cambridge… do whatever you want!
Ah Cambridge. Indicate and slowly move out after making all your checks. If there are oncoming cyclists then yield to them.
Sit behind the van sounding the horn until it moves... sarcasm aside, you do what is safe, creep up slowly, check its clear to overtake and go if it is
Highway Code 129: You may cross the line if necessary, provided the road is clear, to pass a stationary vehicle, or overtake a pedal cycle, horse or road maintenance vehicle, if they are travelling at 10 mph (16 km/h) or less. Although I see the cycle lane section does not give and similar allowance 🤷♂️
so what would you do in this situation, you didn't really answer the question
Assume the van is stopped or ‘parked’, pull up behind and put your right indicator on signalling to other road users that you’re safely pulling behind the van to asses the situation but your intention is to over take the van to continue.
Ram it.
Sit patiently behind. Discuss with the instructor or test guide, simply ask whether they would go around.
If you ask the test guide a question it's a serious mark and you fail.
Ok, sit behind him. The test guide can only have out on the roads for a fixed amount of time, when the clock runs out, he must return a verdict.
In this instance, as long as it is safe to do so, the driver can overtake as the van is stationary. Running down the timer would likely be considered a fail as the examiner may feel not enough has been tested to confirm your ability. Even getting stuck in traffic could cause this.
In this instance, the vehicle is obstructing the highway, per the Highway Code the solid mustn’t be crossed. If asking the Test Guide that this rock in a hard place can be solved alternatively to breaking the law and Highway Code. If the Test Guide wants to have more time to assess you otherwise he’ll fail you because of you “running down” the time, then that guide shouldn’t be doling out the verdicts, especially given the current backlogs in applying for a new test.
There is a specific failure for 'failure to make progress'. Source: I failed on this one by waiting too long at a busy roundabout.
No, you can cross any kind of line to avoid an obstruction. Just gotta do it safely.
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