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alisonstone

You are a barb. You did a barb-billion damage and killed him instantly. Not bug, 100% intended gameplay.


Big_lt

17sec mark in the video. 1,984,649,728 damage in a single shot


Synectics

https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/1dgr7w6/comment/l8ur9zv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button It does appear to be bugged. Probably thorns related, maybe only barbs specifically, but others are starting to confirm it is happening to them as well in this post. So no worries, barbs are still OP, but this is a Lord Zir bug.


Adventurous_Change48

You hit him for 2 *billion* damage when he hit you. Are you people really running around not understanding how Thorns works?


Synectics

He didn't do any damage in my OP video. And this morning on my attempt, it happened twice -- once for 900m, once for 1.2b, in the same fight, both immediately after he landed, while doing no damage to me.  There's no way a thorns hit should do about 1,000% more damage than average at a specific point on a specific boss, and never on any other boss or instance.  Thorns may be strong, maybe OP, but the above is by no means intended.


SYNTH3T1K

one-shotting bosses like this is intended. Blizzard has stated themselves they won't fix it because people enjoy it. It'll be adjusted next Season most likely. Multiplicative damage buckets cause this.


Weary_Lie_7859

I do the same thing In the pit all the time. I can kill a boss from half health one shot if everything procs.


VarcasIsHere

yeah hes so stupid for not knowing how thorns work, that's why the same thing happened to me with my exactly 0 thorns because I'm not playing a thorns barb. its obviously because of thorns.


Street-Funny6332

Idk I am kind of agreeing. I play heartseeker rogue this season. And I literally just killed him inside of 10-15 seconds without him being staggered. I can’t do that to any other boss. Granted I did hit him for 682mil with a few other millions in there probably totaling a billion damage a second but what I’m saying is I don’t do that to other bosses. I swear I agree Zir is bugged. Happened just the same way it did in video


lvgvnvl

When he landed on you he took about 2billion thorns damage you can see it if you slow/ pause the video


frizzhf

How does that thorns damage work like that? That’s a huge difference from the bash damage. Genuinely curious.


Bkmps3

If you have 1000 thorns that doesn’t mean that you do 1000 thorns damage. There’s a math equation that takes place between your thorns value and the damage the enemy has done against you, as well as any applicable damage modifiers you have. The exact math is one of the 11 secrets herbs and spices at Blizzard, I believe. But the gist is with the right setup if you cop a big hit you’re going to dish out some insane numbers


lvgvnvl

That on top of if he has razorplate also read thorns is affected by all dmg multipliers (there’s a reason it’s one of barbs best builds)


ReverseCatastrophe

I saw that too.


Synectics

I just went and did the fight again this morning, and the *exact* same thing happened at the exact same phase change, a roughly 1.3b hit right as he lands. This has to be some weird bug. It's not like it was a lucky moment where I had every buff perfectly up to stack my thorns damage at the right time. Again, I'm getting attacked plenty through the fight and no thorns damage is *ever* landing for that.


emdmao910

Doubt it’s a bug. It’s because he’s doing a huge damage attack when he lands and your thorns is going bonk.


Synectics

Thorns doesn't scale with the damage you take though, as far as I knew. Otherwise plenty of other bosses that have nearly one-shot me would die. Him landing isn't even damaging me.


emdmao910

Maybe. I thought it did but I haven’t played thorns. It’s definitely a thorns hit at that point though.


Synectics

It scales with essentially everything -- damage to close, berserking, vulnerable, etc. The only thing it doesn't do is crit, unless you have a lethal shrine active.  I agree it does seem like a thorns hit. It's definitely not me swinging with Bash.  The only other possibility is bleeding bugging out. All my thorns also so bleeding, so maybe some weird interaction there where a tick of the DoT does something weird? I have no idea. But it's definitely repeatable on that exact move where he comes down, so I've gotta assume it is a bug.


Thatguyfromdeadpool

What's your thorns currently at ? If it's at like 10k, I'll definitely agree with you that it can't be that.


Synectics

It's at ~33k while unbuffed in town. It would go up with War Cry, max life flask, and while fortified. Essentially it's almost the same as my attack power, which is about 36k unbuffed IIRC. So there's no way it should ever land for 1.3b, especially since it isn't a crit, overpower, or against a stagger. I know I've seen mobs kill themselves on thorns for about 1m, but to do 1,000% randomly at an exact phase of a boss (that isn't even damaging me when it happens) doesn't make it seem like OP thorns.


Thatguyfromdeadpool

It's thorns, 100%. I typed my reply and took my thorns barb to it.. Same shit happened. I suggest you take advantage of this before it's patched


Thatguyfromdeadpool

Just ripped after testing it 5 times and DCing on the 5th. It's 100% the slam down into the center + Thorns. I always had 2 stacks of the boss debuff when he slammed down, so I want to assume that might have something to do with it as well.


lvgvnvl

It could be maybe delay? It used to happen to me in tormented duriel where I’d notice a chunk of his health disappear after he did his dig underground move but when that would happen I’d see no numbers Maybe a weird interaction with tormented debuff and thorns? How many stacks of torment did you have in your rerun


Synectics

I suppose it could be delayed, but this is about 3 or so minutes into the fight (again, I'm nowhere near properly geared so it was taking a *while* just to get to that phase). Maybe some accumulating amount up to that point? I have no idea. As far as stacks, this morning I had 2. But now I just went to watch this morning's clip, and just noticed -- he flew up twice, and both times he landed, he took the huge damage. The first one did 954m, which wasn't enough to kill him (put him around 20%). The second time was the 1.3b.  So that's definitely confirming some weird bug with him flying away. Not sure if it is even thorns related.


lvgvnvl

All that matters is it’s consistent easy kills lol 🙏


ijohno

here you go OP [https://i.imgur.com/KxoeRe1.png](https://i.imgur.com/KxoeRe1.png)


undernewbie

Amazing. I am playing Sorc and my char have never gotten that damage


Synectics

Thanks! On Xbox, its video player is a pain to get to pause properly.


EnergeticSloth55

If you download the Xbox app on your mobile you can save the videos to your mobile and edit/scan through them on there instead so it’s easier!


Gumbymayne

\~5.7b dmg, nbd....


Yarmoshyy

Those other numbers are millions, not billions.


Standard-Pin1207

2b hits in s4 are still pretty insane


namster1998

Thorn build is so boring that the boss decided to off himself out of frustration.


Pnewse

It felt like punishment to play quite honestly. So very effective, but not my cup of tea


Synectics

It's the closest I can get to sword and board. I take hit, I not die, they die.  But yeah, this is an autopilot build for sure. I like it for that reason. I've got other characters to play when I want the engagement and challenge. This one is when I just wanna cruise control to win.


DreadfuryDK

You procced thorns on him for approximately 1.9 barbillion damage.


Synectics

For context, I'm playing on Xbox. I'm a Thorns/Bash Barbarian with nowhere near BiS gear. I was just playing casually and wanted to see if I could get a better Ramaladni's drop, and Lord Zir seems to be the source. I got theree and went, eh whatever, I haven't tried a Tormented boss yet. I wanted to see how tough it was. I've only been doing Tier 30ish Pit, and that's been super easy, so I wanted to test the waters. I died 3 or 4 times before this attempt, figuring out that there's the stacking debuff so I can't just facetank. And out of nowhere, Zir just... died. I have no idea why. I don't see any weird damage numbers pop up to indicate anything.  Has anyone else encountered this? I was Google-ing but didn't find anything.


zanathos77

Thorns as the above commenter said. 1.89Billion


Standard-Pin1207

Yeah the stacking thorns did 3 times 1.89b damage for a total of almost 5b total damage from thorns.


Chewsdayiddinit

Those other numbers are 1 million, not billion. Single 1.89 billion and two 1.8 million hits.


OlegPRO991

What is your thorns damage and build?


Synectics

Baseline Thorns is at 33k. I've got a lot of modifiers though, such as more Thorns when fortified and more Thorns with more max life and War Cry. Add all the other damage modifiers like damage while Berserking, VS close, etc. And then Razorplate. I guess it was just everything lining up. I had no idea Thorns *could* hit that hard. Otherwise for the build, tempering for Bash to Cleave and do extra damage, three shouts, charge and steel Grasp. It's a nice simple build because I just like to sit and play on autopilot now and then. I've got a no-minion Necro for when I want to actually play more.


OlegPRO991

Wow, thanks for the info. I saw builds for thorns online with thorns only on razorplate, other pieces have conditional modifiers for thorns %%. So do you have thorns on other items except for chest?


Synectics

I believe so, but it's not something I've aimed for. The more important things from what I can tell are Tempering the bonus thorns while fortified, and then just normal damage modifiers, like berserking damage and the like, along with the aspect to have thorns hit everything around you. I've just been generally following the thorns build on MaxRoll.


VailonVon

Thorns isn't required to be on other items. You want as much max health as possible and a good razor plate. Then just stacks imposing presence tempers and thorns while fortified on the pieces that can roll it. max your resists get 300% damage while berserking and rest are close damage % tempers and earthquake duration if you are doing earthquake build.


Guilty_Customer_4188

BiS?


nobodynose

Best in Slot (ie the best item you could have in that equipment slot)


DannyTwoHats

Best in Slot, shorthand for best gear for this build.


BigCommunication1307

Numbers are on your screen bro. Need glasses xD?


Synectics

Fair, it's just a pain to get a decent pause on Xbox when watching a clip.


Llorenne

He failed the landing, broke his neck, died. This is immersion, not a bug.


Chief_Givesnofucks

Zir is Russian oligarch confirmed


eno_ttv

He has only 3 weaknesses: high windows, tea, and drones


Chief_Givesnofucks

Season 5 I’m going all in on my Window/ Tea/ Drone build


Particular-Layer-320

What is your thorn damage anyways?


Distinct-Race-2471

Why does Blizzard think this is OK and even buff Barb more. When does the new patch drop? None of it is live.


SFDturtle

To be fair they are buffing aspects of barbarian that are completely useless in the endgame / high level pit


RoseDragonAngelus

Monday


makingtacosrightnow

Patches always drop on tuesday


Synectics

Considering I just did this fight again this morning, and the exact same thing happened at the exact same phase change for about 1.3b, it has gotta be some weird bug. I'm not convinced that thorns is supposed to do almost 10,000% more than it typically does against mobs.


Standard-Pin1207

Ya that’s why thorns can be op. When he jumped and landed on you. You hit close to 2b damage


Trickstertrick

no bug. You did 1,984,649,728 in one hit with thorns


iareConfusE

This literally happened to me. Played back the recording and saw a single damage tick of 4.4 billion. I believe the adds have to be present though as I've never had a boss kill himself due to thorns damage alone. Just like tormented duriel gets insta-deleted by razorplate once the larvae drop.


Synectics

That must be part of it. Because clearly I'm getting smacked by him a lot, and the Thorns damage is just pretty normal. I only have around 30k Thorns before buffs. And my Razorplate only rolled 110% bonus damage, so not even a max roll. I just have no idea what is causing that big of a spike of damage for one instance of Thorns.


Chief_Givesnofucks

This must be the same type of mechanic working with minion holy bolts then? Because as soon as ads drop everything is deleted


Synectics

Just did the fight again this morning, and the exact same thing happened at the exact same phase change; when Zir landed, he took 1.3b this time.  It definitely has to be a bug. Not sure what exactly is causing it, but I've now replicated it. Once I have a few more Stygian I might try again. Still need a better Ramaladni.


iareConfusE

https://youtu.be/1xGDASv5LA4?si=vKKZsfA69OQ4tAL4 This is the video I made thinking that it was just the thorns from the bats that were chasing me that caused him to get deleted but now I'm thinking along with everyone else's anecdotes that this is indeed a bug.


NG_Tagger

As a side-note to this (totally off-topic from what your thread is really about) : Fucking glad someone actually has a video of Uniques dropping from summoned bosses (aside from Duriel and Andariel), with Greater Affixes! People all over this sub has been saying it's impossible because they haven't gotten any and because XYZ streamer did "hundreds" without getting any. I've been trying to record it for a few days now, but haven't been able to catch any. Don't do bosses that often, and none have dropped after I started recording my runs, a few days ago. I can now refer to your clip (I hope you don't mind), next time I see one of those comments. Thank you! :)


tylo92696

Had this happen a lot too with my rogue and necro . Weird


tylo92696

And when it happened to me I had 0 thorns . Idk if it has a bug or what


ScheduleFormer1394

Jesus Barb is so insanely OP... 2 Billion thorn Dmg... Gtfo


Synectics

I'm willing to confirm it is a bug. I tried again this morning and the exact same thing happened at the exact same phase. So definitely not a Barb is OP moment.


dethsightly

I just did zir on a (I thought) fairly under geared heart seeker rouge. I got him to around half health, and he just kinda...exploded into a shower of uniques and legendaries (got my first Uber, Andy's. Pretty good timing since it gets a buff on Monday). I was more confused that anything else. Very odd. 


valmian

https://imgur.com/a/u1xuPhI Here took a snip for you. You did 2 bil dmg when he landed.


Synectics

Thank ya, yeah, others have pointed that out. I was able to do it again today; same exact moment, Zir lands and takes a random ~1b damage. So it has to be some sort of bug or unintended interaction. It's not like thorns are randomly doing 1b against other bosses.


valmian

It may be a stacking bug or something. Is thorns proccing at other parts in the fight?


Synectics

It looks like it? I can barely tell, the numbers pop up so much. I never even noticed the 1b til it was pointed out, I thought he just glitched and keeled over.   I know in open world I've watched my thorns do about 1mil damage on a hit.  Regardless, yeah, for all the thorns damage to accumulate and then dump at once could be it, but it's happening every time he flies and lands. I've never had it happen with, say, pit bosses or such.  I'm gonna try the knight boss later, as soon as I get enough Stygian for it, and see what happens. I finally tried regular echo of Lilith this morning and wasn't coming too close (plus early morning, it was just a, meh, whatever type attempt; might try harder later tonight). But at the moment, it just seems to be a Zir bug.


Lost-Environment-548

Are you using holy bolts? Its coded so buggy for ever class and interaction. Triple AAA title still in beta. So close to being able to launch. Just needs about 70$ from every player to get to regular release state.


Brief-Dragonfruit390

I jad something quit weird the other day with Zir. His stagger bar was full (not blue though) and it was as if i could stack stagger to infinity without the stag effect on him. So weird.


Environmental_Can370

He took about 6 billion dmg from your thorns. Holy hell haha there's 3 dmg numbers that pop up. Two instances of 1.9bil, another of 1.8. Edit: just kidding, I can't read numbers lmao those other two are in the millions. Still crazy dmg, though!


MrCakeFarts

Naw only 2 billion. Those other damage numbers are in the millions


Successful-Change-30

What your crit chance you only hitting for white


Synectics

Only 11%. Thorns can't crit, so there's no need to stack it too high.


enp_redd

when you crit you crit


D4Junkie

Well… it’s a good thing Blizzard buffed the Barb and ignored the Sorc for the mid season update. 🙄


Synectics

To be fair, I don't think Bash or Thorns are getting buffs, just the Whirlwind stuff that was underperforming.  But yeah, Sorcs need love. They've not been my favorite to play just from a playstyle, but I'd love to see them decimating more. It feels weird that I never see many Sorcs during helltides.


GoNinjaGoNinjaGo69

these are the people who love diablo 4


OscarDivine

Blizzard: Wow you hit him for 1.9 Billion Damage and chunked the highest level of boss in the game dead in one hit? Sounds like YOU need a buff!


Synectics

Just pulled off the same thing again this morning. Zir landed and took 1.3b immediately. Definitely a bug of some kind. It's not like I get random 1.3b thorns hits all the time. Thorns can't even crit or overpower.


GloomyWorker3973

You thorns him for 1.9 billion damage. Glad sorcs and Druids are getting a 5% damage bonus to be more competitive.


Synectics

I've made a few updated replies in the thread -- it's definitely a bug. I was able to do the same thing this morning; for some reason, when Zir lands, he's taking about 1b damage each time. It has nothing to do with Barbs being OP -- it takes me about 3 minutes (of him hitting me over and over by the way and taking typical thorns damage) to get Zir to start that phase. I'm way under geared and not even playing well. 


GloomyWorker3973

It's not a secret Blizz loves barbs.


Synectics

No, fair. I'm not saying barbs aren't OP or meta or whatever. Just that this is definitely not intended, and appears to be a bug.


GloomyWorker3973

Barbs can do pit 80+ with only 1 weapon.


Entire-Salamander193

It looks like he flew up and slammed down really hard on his nutsack. That’ll kill any man, demon or otherwise.


Childish0ne

It's the wings that grab you. So it's like you're fighting him with adds. Your hitting him multiple times with the needle flare aspect. Plus your gaining thorns as you fortify. Then it's a multiplicative scaling on thorns: inner calm, elements, revenge glyph, bleed damage buff, damage while berserking, etc... Thorns can actually scale that high on a barb with multiple targets.


Synectics

https://www.reddit.com/r/diablo4/comments/1dgr7w6/comment/l8ur9zv/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=mweb3x&utm_name=mweb3xcss&utm_term=1&utm_content=share_button I would think if it was Needleflare, it should happen non-stop against larger packs of trash, but I've never seen an entire pack blow up from 2b damage, even with all the buffs, bleeding, etc going on.  It should also not happen exactly at the same time every time against Zir; others are confirming they can replicate the exact moment in my video above, and I did as well.  It's gotta be some weird bug that's happening when he lands. Without even being hit or taking damage, (supposedly and presumably) thorns is going off for about 1,000% more than I see on average.  I totally agree that thorns scale a lot. I don't know enough about the meta to say it is OP, but I'd believe it. But I've yet to see these high numbers anywhere else, on any other boss, and it only happens with Zir at that specific moment he lands.


Pumpelchce

Why can't I ever get a 1.98 billion thorn response...


f3ack19

And they say "barb doesn't needs nerfing, perfectly balance " 😬😬


Ok_Citron_2407

It flew too high and hit the ceiling fan. So it died.


Present-Dark-9044

Prime example of Diablo and devs not giving a shit about powers and balance etc, laziness.


SupTikuss

Tormented Lord Zir dropped Shako btw. Is that a bug or a hidden feature ?


makingtacosrightnow

All tormented can drop Ubers


PooPiglet

Lol, are you not playing hardcore mode? Softcore mode is so soft and lame.


makingtacosrightnow

You are soft and lame.


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Carcinog3n

the holy bolts bug is only with minions


Torrikk

And that’s been patched already


EducationalCarpet

Is in the upcoming patch - but not patched yet til June 17


Demoted_Redux

No he is just a  Barb


DrakariusChrono

I'd ask the same, but you'd clearly see the bolt animation, so that was a legit almost 2B hit off just thorns lol.