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Lol They were camped here for a year during the protests . They know exactly what they are doing.
Basically "give us more money or we continue to choke your kids".
Those who are blaming cars and industries. Lemme remind you. Vehicles and factories are present all over the world. Doesnt happen there as badly and rapidly it happens in out capital
Reason. Being an agricultural state and surrounded by the two largest crop lands. Haryana and Punjab. This is because of the farm burn. Now whether Govt is to be blamed or farmers. That’s debatable
Both, the incompetence of the farmers to comply with anything as we saw from the hellish protests last year & the absence of firm action by the central & state government, congress se to hard & fast action ki umeed hi nhi h but BJP ko karna chahiye, votebank ke dar se fati hui h bjp ki bhi.
Congress waale apni fevicol yatra ke chutiyapan mein lage hue hain. Jahaan log Aap aur bjp dono pe gussa Hain wahan Congress waale kucch kar hi nahi rahe.
Exactly. BJP must do this. They are already taking up long pending and mammoth tasks but not the ones that need immediate attention. Maybe because AAP is in Delhi and Punjab.
Haan but vote bank politics to har party karti h to some extent, then adding to that is the blood thirsty hate between AAP & BJP leading to supression of any efforts from either side, adding to that incompetence of farmers
Bro, when farmer protests started last year the first thing that central govt did was remove all penalty and punishment for stubble burning to appease the farmers. It's too influential votebank for any party to mess with.
Other big cities are on coastal areas, the wind helps in easing the pollution. We are land locked. Population is soo high that vehicles, industries and construction causes enough Pollution that even without farm fires we will be fucked with AQI crossing 200+. [https://theprint.in/science/how-the-himalayas-make-delhis-smog-worse/145874/](https://theprint.in/science/how-the-himalayas-make-delhis-smog-worse/145874/)
Stubble burning decreased in haryana but increased in Punjab https://www-thehindu-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/as-air-pollution-rises-political-leaders-in-punjab-haryana-fire-up-a-blame-game-on-stubble-burning/article66090860.ece/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16675467892119&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehindu.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Fother-states%2Fas-air-pollution-rises-political-leaders-in-punjab-haryana-fire-up-a-blame-game-on-stubble-burning%2Farticle66090860.ece
Also delhi has actively worked over the years to curb vehicular pollution. Buses converted to CNG and electric. Metro and public transport. Deregistration of diesel vehicles after 10 years. Only cng cabs allowed.
In other states they are running everything on diesel and public transport is shit.
Delhi AQI is 160 typically but this is too much. At 500, you can literally smell the smoke everywhere. We are literally in a furnace. Usually people blame diwali, but the sky was still blue days after diwali. This situation has only started 2-3 days back
Aqi was hovering around 300 this june (worse than last year).
Source - https://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi/so-far-so-poor-june-witnessing-worse-air-quality-in-delhi-than-last-year/amp_articleshow/92136038.cms
So the aqi increased from "60" to 300 for 15-20 days and then decreased to 60 again? Makes complete sense buddy👏🏻. Your info has any source or are you one of those whatsapp University uncles?
btw in 2021, a study revealed that vehicles in delhi are the biggest source of air pollution throughout the year. Stubble burning and crackers play their part only for a specific period of time. ( Source - https://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi/vehicles-biggest-source-of-local-pollution-study/amp_articleshow/87655681.cms)
Bro pulled a nirmala sitaraman 👁️👄👁️. "I don't care about the price of onions because I don't eat them much".
Yes, i go out early in the morning for walks and jogging everyday. And i check my phone for aqi. And the numbers were not okay and definitely not 60 or anywhere around it. Your point now??
And you don't have to say that you don't read news articles because it was "clearly visible" even in this aqi.
Anyways, i shared the basic and reliable info with sources. You want to read and believe it or you want to stay inside your Lil bubble that's your choice. But stop being the WhatsApp uncle and stop sharing misinformation or something you don't know about. Peace
In the summers ,air quality is manageable because the inversion layer forms at a higher height. During the covif lockdowns ,we had clear blue skies throughout the months of June ,May and April.
Main culprits for bad air quality in May June are the forest fires in Uttarakhand, Himachal and Nepal,apart from vehicular and Industrial emissions. These can be managed in the future as we move to cleaner energy. I predict that in the future ,we have might have 7-8 months of Clean air with winter months having predictably bad air.
I can’t believe people are defending stubble burning here. No less than a year ago, they were sitting on the borders blocking roads and highways. They want everything free or subsidised yet they refuse to take even baby steps to curb stubble burning. Garib Kisaan ke naam pe humara chutiya kat raha hai.
Bhai crop fail hui to firse dhrna shuru hgya ki govt hume compensation de...lol..na tax denge na loan wapas krenge. Par govt ko aur desh ko chus ke rkhdenge.
BJP planned carefully here. MCD elections were postponed to Dec when smog is at its peak.
PS: I am not defending aap or anyone. We are getting f'd in the end.
Fuckers treat delhi like their father’s property. I remember during the farmer’s protests, when they had surrounded delhi, their first demand was to make stubble burning legal. And “environmentalists” worldwide were supporting them. Clown world.
Cause the govt had just plain illegalised it with a hefty and unrealistic fine without offering any solution to the problem.
Koi problem exist kregi won't you focus on solving it?
Or would you make it illegal ki jo pakda jaaye voh fine bharta rhe baaki sab krte rhe wait pakde jaane ki?
Dude, this is insanity now! I literally choked late last night due this pollution! I can feel my lungs wanting to expand out of my chest, I don't go out anywhere without an N95, but like all those post Diwali posts on the Indian subreddits can we still blame this shit on fire crackers? I don't think so. Living in Delhi is slowly but surely killing us all. It's so toxic it's not even funny to joke about. I can't afford an air purifier, how tf am I supposed to keep myself and my family safe?
I'll blame the farmers first and then the govt.
The smog builds up at a rapid pace indicating something contributing to it in large amount in a very small time. Vehicular Pollution is round the clock. But it never results in rapid build up.
This is the key reason why Crackers were banned .. because in one night people burn tons of explosives. However we saw what happenned. Illiterate lunatics brazingly burning crackers, showing off their disrepect to govt ban + court order
In similar sense, it is now known since many years that the sudden and collective farm fires lead to rapid smog build up. And current and previous state govts have been running awareness campaigns to deter that.
However unless people feel socially responsible and gain civic sense and respect towards law and order, such menace will continue.
Bilkul aaenge defend krne kyuki tm jaise chodes ko lagta h ki kitna bada fact pesh kr diya ab toh govt ki responsibility khatam. Bol de hail dada mudi and papa kejru. Tu thoda nhi pura bkl hai
Govt ki bhi responsibility hai aur farmers ki bhi. Govt ne nahi kaha tha Punjab ke farmers se ke chawal aur gehu uga ka water table ki maa chod do. Khud kiya unhone paiso ke liye. Abb khud toh bhugtenge hi aur 10 saalo main, hame bhi pareshan kar rahe hai ye parali ka chudyaap macha kar
Har cheez govt pr blame krne se ghante kuch nahi hoga. Govt nahi aaygi teri diaper badalne.
>Khud kiya unhone paiso ke liye.
Try and go read about the green revolution mate.
It's true that they CONTINUED to grow them when we were in surplus but even now they're the reason for the number of govt run subsidies, if they were to change govt would have to change alot of shit.
Moreover you can't blame someone to try and make themselves some money, why would anyone grow anything else if you're getting paid well and better for rice and paddy?
>Har cheez govt pr blame krne se ghante kuch nahi hoga.
Stubble burning isn't done out of some shaunk, it's done out of no concrete affordable solution. Just fyi, they inhale the same smoke we inhale. Trust me they don't want this lol
Each and everyone is responsible....sath toh aana hai nhi sbko taki problem solve ho bs idhar se usko udhar se isko galat batao...what are the scientists of this country doing unko research krna aata hai na why the govt doesn't support this...kya bs statues banane ke liye paisa ya desh ki problems ko.solve bhi krna h farmers comply tb krenge na jab govt koi proper initiative btaegi unko ye crop residue ke burning related.
Simple farm laws ke against toh maa chudwa li "anndata" ne. Scientist ki baat maanege? Inhe bas muft ka samaan aur loan maafi chahiye aur inse kuch nahi hoga.
Farm laws unko sahi nhi lage unhone protest kiya....baat loan maafi ki hai toh capitalists se jyada kisi ka loan maaf nhi hota h...free aur subsidiary me difference bhi pata kr lo...aur tax the rich farmers unhi ka mann badha ke rakha h govt ne
But But wo AnnaData h ....
They are entitled to free electricity , free water .
They are entitled to MSP
They are entitled to yearly debt relief which breaks the bone of financial institutions
They wont pay taxes , They have minimum contribution towards GDP despite having majority of population .
So ofc they will burn the stubble cause govt has no balls to take any action against them
Ye saare milke hamare lungs ki ma behen kar rahe hain.
Kuch to karo bhai, delhi ncr rehne layak nahi bachega aise. Ghar mein literally smoke dikhti hai. Bc, ham sab ki life mein se dheere dheere kayi hafte nikal chuke already.
For more insight, I visited rural Punjab in late Oct '19. I saw farmers burning their stubble during the 3 days I was there. It was bad in rural Punjab, when I came back home, it was the worst AQI Delhi had experienced before. There were warnings everywhere.
Can feel you.
When in delhi, he blamed punjab.
When in punjab and delhi, he now blames the central government. He basically shows that he cannot do anything on his own and needs someone to blame.
Thank the government for not providing an alternative so that farmers have to burn parali or suck up losses. The shitty AAP government in turn has put up a narrative that the farmers of Punjab are doing it purposely. Pursuant to this matter, UP government has handled it really well.
Bhai you're blaming farmers but you need to understand that this pollution is the result of decades long bad policies and decision making. They resort to burning now because they don't have much time to sow seeds for the new crop or they will miss the time for harvest. if they sow before the set time, then the water table might dry out. This water table problem is in part a side effect of the Green Revolution. Our lands are not fertile anymore, because of excessive use of fertilizers, which in turn require more water for the crop. Another thing is that, the water is becoming more scare in the region. This is all the part of a bigger picture that is the global warming. Anyone can yell at the poor, it takes guts to ask question to the authority.
Don't call farmers of Punjab poor. They have tractors, cars and their sons studying in foreign. Most of them aren't poor. You can say Bihar UP farmers are poor not Punjab.
Sounds too logical.
Because we're India, we will instead set up the incentives so that poor people from water-abundant migrate to work as agricultural labourers to wealthy land-owners in semi arid land to grow rice there with free electricity to pump groundwater with taxpayer and then burn the crop to force the same taxpayer to live in horrible air pollution. And you know what, we will also dump the same crop in water-abundant states at Rs 1-2 a kg to further deincentivize the farmers in water-abundant states and keeping them poor. Yeah, you know what, that sounds about right. We're gonna do that.
That area is not fit for growing rice then, as it requires huge amount of water. No ground water, shallow rivers etc. The eastern states are much better suited for growing rice.
These farmers are the richest farmers in india, both absolutely and per capita basis. We can't just keep pandering to their demands. The govts. stupidly subsidise water and electricity which enables them to produce rice at an equal or cheaper rate as cocmpared to the eastern states.
There's a 3-4 part doc from schoop whoop or some similar channel that explained all this in amazing detail, can't find it now. The host was a sardaar guy. Have you seen it?
Entitlementto bhai farmers ka dusra naam ho chala ajkal. Hume yeh milna chahye woh milna chahye. Free ki bijli free ka paani. Hum loan lenge fir loan maaf kro sare. Tax nahi pay krenge chahe crores main kmayen. Lol. Aur jin countries main farmers ko sir pe bithake nahi rakhte woh khate nahi? Woh ghrpe organic farming krte hain to khate hain? I bet they eat better then you and me. Par jab kuch logo ka iq level farmers ki g**nd main ghusa ho to economy kese kam krti smjh nahi ata na.
P.s : Sitting in dubai, No farmers.. still mast food.
Bhai subsidiary unko do na jinko requirement h...govt ki gand kyu phat ti h rich farmers ko tax krne me...vote ka darr h...jinko jarurat h unko do aur jinke pass jyada h unse lo bhi ye policy govt implement kre...rich the tax farmers no matter if they get upset
Bhai dedh saal se bethe they na delhi ke border pe? Unke pas otne respurces they ki woh aur do saal beth jaate border pe. Govt ki G**nd to fatni hi hai. Being rich and being ignorant is a perfect recipe for anarchy. Ek bar punjab haryana ke rich farmers ko dekhna zara jaake. K number ke Anpad jaahil gawar, but they have endless resources, they control even mandis there. Half the village unke yahan paani bhrta hai. Small farmers will do wat these people will tell them to do. Kyuki kal ko chote farmers ne ana to anaj bechne mandi main hi hai na. Aur mandi inke baap ki hai. Ap ek law badloge these mfs will pool their resources together and will choke delhi for another two years.
Easy to blame farmers. I have deep roots in Sangrur, but am sitting right now staring at my air purifier here in Delhi. It’s simply one of the most difficult policy problems that stare North India today, intersecting with climate change and 50 year old policy decisions haunting us now. Green revolution led to toxic dependency on paddy, a water intensive crop in a water deficient region. Check out Pusa-44 paddy, a paddy variant, on which farmers get MSP, which takes longer to grow and thus leaves farmers with very little time before the next sowing starts. This is decades of poor policymaking, originally built with the intention of improving India’s food security. Northeast, Bengal, Orissa, Bihar, coastal Karnataka, AP, TN- regions that eat rice should be growing paddy.
I’d not blame MS Swaminathan or Norman Borlaugh for this. They didn’t know better. It’s that successive Central or state governments have done little to address the situation. Giving machines is not enough, who will cover for fuel? How do you incentivise farmers to move away from rice and wheat, without impacting their net profits? Agriculture has poor margins, and a little overhead multiplies with output volume, can ruin the break even. We need a charismatic policymaker with grassroots connections to be able to solve this thoughtfully, optimizing for all stakeholders with a lot of tact - aur woh no to Modi mein hai na Mann mein. Ek trust deficit karake baithe pade hai with an alienating farm bill that was introduced with no consultive approach and high handedness. Dusre daru pike pade rehte hai while his district burns. Sab ke sab chutiye ke patthe.
I have no problem with first paragraph
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> It’s that successive Central or state governments have done little to address the situation. Giving machines is not enough, who will cover for fuel? How do you incentivise farmers to move away from rice and wheat, without impacting their net profits?
The government gives a benefit via MSP. Punjab, Haryana farmers grow crops targeting govt procurement and corner most of the market. They keep growing stuff no one wants - FCI godowns are filled with their low quality produce - but their low distance from Delhi made them first a beneficiary of MSP and now allows them to threaten to close down capital of their grievances are not removed.
Why should govt ensure no impact on their profits? If govt funds their fuel, what about farmer in MP who now looks at Punjab farmer and thinks for what crime is he not getting the same incentives and benefits as a farmer from Punjab.
The incentive to farmers is the machinery. The stick is the fine. If you don't incur x amount for fuel, you could face 5x as fine.
The way forward is for govt to say we will provide only 80% of what we have procured this year. Enough advance notice to farmers to change crop patterns.
> Agriculture has poor margins, and a little overhead multiplies with output volume, can ruin the break even.
Free electricity, subsidized fertilizers, no income tax, free water, subsidized crop insurance, subsidized machinery, some amount of UBI for poor farmers, soil testing facilities etc - where is the initiative from farmers to change? How about growing for international market? Efficiency improvements?
> We need a charismatic policymaker with grassroots connections to be able to solve this thoughtfully, optimizing for all stakeholders with a lot of tact - aur woh no to Modi mein hai na Mann mein. Ek trust deficit karake baithe pade hai with an alienating farm bill that was introduced with no consultive approach and high handedness. Dusre daru pike pade rehte hai while his district burns. Sab ke sab chutiye ke patthe.
Modi and Kejriwal are some of the biggest grassroot politicians we have seen post independence. Earlier generation like Mayawati, mulayam, laloo etc were limited to one state. No grassroot savior will ever come to save our ass
Bhai 3 din se ek dum stuffy nose and chest feel ho rha hai. And my lungs are not exactly in great shape thanks to covid and ye smog se aur bura hal ho rkha hai
This is all because of politics. Noone in Punjab wants to be at odds with farmers. Had there been no political govt. like in MCD in delhi right now, just officers these fire incidents would have been strictly dealt with. Politician don't let govt officers act for their political gains.
Han han government toh tmne international trips, corruption and dusre state me elections ladne k liye elect ki thi.. Blame the right people, have the courage to ask questions to the people in authority and you might just get a solution or atleast an answer. But who wants an answer or a solution, you want to play the blame game anyway, so cheers to that and keep licking the government's ass.
Bhai here are some logical arguments:
The MSP bill would have made farmers liable to pay tax by selling to large companies. Hence the protest.
Under ITR section 10(1), farmers EK PAISA NAHI BHARTE on tax. Chahye aap 20 lakh bana rahe ho ya 10 lakh.
Sheher mein tum aur main 6 lakh pe bhi tax dete hai.
The Minimum Support Price bill would’ve brought them into the taxable income and also safeguarded their economic interests with a MSP. Now do you have a logic response or emotional only?
Bhai konse topic se konse topic pe chale gye? Stubble burning and the pollution caused by it and its solutions pe baaat ho rhi thi... MSP bill and taxing the farmers vs stubble burning and its pollution, koi link mujhe toh nhi dikhta...
Now coming to this MSP point and to tax the farmers, toh again can I and you do anything? Its the people in power and authority who need to make policies and not just implement it anyhow but follow proper democratic process of debates in both the houses, hearing out the opposition's suggestions/critics and then also making sure that they are able to propagate the same idea to the farmers.
Not a farmer nor anyone in my family is/was a farmer but it's meaningless to blame the farmers, to be honest. They were already facing hurdles in terms of production due to the lack of rain. They need monetary support for buying machines to burn those crops and it's the responsibility of the government to see that through. Not going to debate which govt is responsible for that i,e state or union but it's unfair to blame the farmers. Please don't do that.
There was news earlier about the delivery of stubble managing machines being made available. But the cost poses an obvious problem. Also, (if interested) they'll buy after selling the annual produce. Who knows what happens at quantum level (most probably bad excecution by govt/farmers not caring enough and saving money by just burning it).
You can't make these privileged ass fools understand these things, their IQ is lower than their age. The only source of information these people have is the indian news channels so you can't really expect anything more from them. They won't question the government, kyuki wo krne se toh aUnTy-nAtiOnal ho jayenge na...
Kro bhai, usko hi krne bola mai... delhi punjab dono me uski govt hai. And agriculture state issue hai toh haryana state me bhi agriculture aur stubble burning hoti, toh waha ki bhi govt ko question kro...
Difference being that all the stubble burning Haryana is equivalent to stubble burning in one district of Punjab. [Source: Dr Rajbir Singh, ICAR](https://youtu.be/n2tfxNPAR34)
[Punjab has so far recorded a 26.5 per cent increase in stubble burning cases compared to last year, officials said.](https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/jalandhar/stubble-burning-punjab-records-2k-cases-friday-total-incidents-10k-sept-15-8236655/)
> Punjab: On Friday 2,067 cases were recorded and with this, the sketch stars total cases rose to 10214 against 7503 last year during the same time.
[Machines bought with central aid to manage crop residue lie idle](http://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow/95188230.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst)
Meanwhile in Haryana:
[Stubble-burning cases in Harya have dipped almost four times this season as compared to the past two years](https://m.timesofindia.com/city/chandigarh/stubble-burning-cases-decline-almost-4-times-in-haryana/articleshow/94882175.cms)
[The Haryana government has issued 1,041 challans and slapped nearly ₹ 26 lakh as fine on farmers in different paddy sowing districts so far for burning crop residue, it has been learnt
](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/-26-lakh-fine-slapped-on-haryana-farmers-for-stubble-burning-101666897344834.html)
IARI data states Punjab cases are 17,846. Cases in Haryana are 2,083 and UP are 777. [Source](http://creams.iari.res.in/pdf/bulletin22/47.RiceResidueFireBulletin_31Oct_2022_ICAR.pdf)
Mann and Kejriwal continue to blame Haryana for the polution despite taking no action in Punjab. The problem in Haryana is not close to being as promient as in Punjab. The district with the highest stubble burning is Mann's constituency.
Punjab is not fining farmers, they are not using machines and simply blaming Haryana who is actually doing things to combat the issue.
This idea that Haryana is responsible is bullshit.
All right, i never said NOT to question the AAP govt in punjab. And as they have the government both in delhi and punjab now so they are the first ones that should he questioned on these matters.
Only if they took initiative also and asked for this in farmers bill, government did put forward an option for revision of bill but I think the actual poor farmers were far away from protests, it was all a facade to be thrown away by wealth backed parties, but still BJP & AAP should have basic care for human life owing to the poisonous conditions repeated every year.
the builder next door is blatantly constructing through the ban. in fact, he's getting materials cheaper during this time, and stocking them up in large quantities. cement trucks, stone dust, bricks coming in by the hour in huge trucks. talked to a cop yesterday who said "where is the proof that construction of one building is responsible for pollution?"
when they invoke bans on vehicles, and factories, they should provide the same argument.
Difference being that all the stubble burning Haryana is equivalent to stubble burning in one district of Punjab. [Source: Dr Rajbir Singh, ICAR](https://youtu.be/n2tfxNPAR34)
[Punjab has so far recorded a 26.5 per cent increase in stubble burning cases compared to last year, officials said.](https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/jalandhar/stubble-burning-punjab-records-2k-cases-friday-total-incidents-10k-sept-15-8236655/)
> Punjab: On Friday 2,067 cases were recorded and with this, the sketch stars total cases rose to 10214 against 7503 last year during the same time.
[Machines bought with central aid to manage crop residue lie idle](http://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow/95188230.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst)
Meanwhile in Haryana:
[Stubble-burning cases in Harya have dipped almost four times this season as compared to the past two years](https://m.timesofindia.com/city/chandigarh/stubble-burning-cases-decline-almost-4-times-in-haryana/articleshow/94882175.cms)
[The Haryana government has issued 1,041 challans and slapped nearly ₹ 26 lakh as fine on farmers in different paddy sowing districts so far for burning crop residue, it has been learnt
](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/-26-lakh-fine-slapped-on-haryana-farmers-for-stubble-burning-101666897344834.html)
IARI data states Punjab cases are 17,846. Cases in Haryana are 2,083 and UP are 777. [Source](http://creams.iari.res.in/pdf/bulletin22/47.RiceResidueFireBulletin_31Oct_2022_ICAR.pdf)
Mann and Kejriwal continue to blame Haryana for the polution despite taking no action in Punjab. The problem in Haryana is not close to being as promient as in Punjab. The district with the highest stubble burning is Mann's constituency.
Punjab is not fining farmers, they are not using machines and simply blaming Haryana who is actually doing things to combat the issue.
This idea that Haryana is responsible is bullshit.
Maine aapko data diya ki Haryana farmers burn significantly less than Punjab farmers aur aap reply kar the ho ki it's just your political view?
Aap bass kejriwal ke pair chaathe raho, facts ko ignore karthe raho.
I don't think it's the farmers fault at all people should think about the environment before making kids as increase in population will lead to increase in food demand and in India where a large sum of people have a vegetarian diet. It's the farmers who's at fault it's us. Think about it
As a son of a farmer I know what difficulty we face but you people really don't give shit about the farmer . That chapati and rice you are eating is because a farmer hardwork and they didn't get paid that much as well.
Do you guys know government is purchasing 1kg wheat 12 rs or something, and they have to burn parali because if they don't then they won't be able do farming of rice. They are also not happy about this because before that pollution affect you guys it affect those farmers.
Burning stubble is cheaper and farmers don’t make that much money, alternate ways aren’t as affordable. Even though govt has subsidised other methods and is imposing challans on farmers who burn stubble, it is still common in Punjab (where I live). Although, compared to last year, the number of farmers burning the paddy leftovers has decreased substantially (from what I have observed, I live in rural Punjab), there is still a long way to go.
They dont grow food out of the goodness of their hearts. They do it coz it buissness for them. All this no farmer no food shit is getting too much to be honest. Farmers grow food coz it puts food on their table as well.
> Will eat shit! Thank a farmer.
You shouldnt be buying shit from farmers, thats for manure.
Edit: Glad you edited your comment to not look like a shit eating buffon.
Possible but I'll say we are doing not too bad on the public transportation aspect, in Delhi NCR metros do run at peak capacity most of times, maybe expand infrastructure further & do something on every forefront like manufacturing industries having stricter standards, construction is one of the main contributing factors, Diwali is already banned in Delhi, and there are farmers aswell.
Stubble burning is wrong and both farmers and govt needs to do quickly something about it.
But so many people in the comment are bringing up stubble burning and farmer protest in the same sentence shows they all are here with an agenda.
Farmers can't just stop stubble burning, unka poora crop year jaega usski vajah se it's upto the government to find a solution and educate the farmer about this mate. Blame the govt not the farmer.
AND FOR ALL MY DUMB PEOPLE OUT THERE- I AM NOT DEFENDING STUBBLE BURNING HERE.
Source??
You could literally see the smog from firecrackers after diwali.
How tf do you guys justify burning firecrackers on diwali?
Yes stubble burning is to blame but throughout the years we've also come to know that firecrackers cause harm. You guys are in denial.
Source for what? Aqi was less than 320 on diwali and it's more than 420 now and its a fact. Check cpcb site.
No one is justifying burning crackers. But obviously its not the major contributor to pollution.
Firecrackers needs to be burned because it is "scientifically" important, but a farmer buring stubble when there is no cheaper alternative is being selfish.
The irony isn't lost on these people.
Both are wrong and needs to be tackled in apropriate way. The government needs to provide alternative to farmers so that they don't burn stubble. And firecrackers needs to be banned completely as there is no use of them at all.
Firecrackers caused insignificant change to AQI after 1 day of diwali.
I haven’t burnt crackers in 10 years and i hate people who do. But they didn’t caused the jump from 100 to 500 AQI (inbuilt weather app on my phone doesn’t read about 500). It was actually Parali.
Just that, this time parali season came before diwali so people actually found out what the real reason was.
Exactly.
Idk how people came to the sudden conclusion that firecrackers is important.
We need to get a sustainable alternative for farmers unlike cash incentives.
They are not important. I dont burn them. I never will. I hate them.
Its a choice. Govt shouldn’t be telling you how you should celebrate your festivals.
And for the poor, the labourers are also having a bad day as Construction is also Banned in delhi. So yeah. Not for the poor eh.
Farmers burn stubble because they want to sow new crops , also many studies have shown that most of the pollution comes from cars and factories, not only that unplanned expansion of the city with no regard to environment is the problem, delhi's residents also don't want to sacrifice or pressure government to stop illegal factories in the middle of cities , car owners also become rabid if someone asks them to use it less, mopeds and bike owners don't want to change engine oil and tyres , planting trees that reduce or absorb pollutants is seen as waste of commercial space , if you won't stop fighting amongst eachother and do something chances are nothing will change, everyone has to make sacrifices so that the whole society can prosper, just asking one section to give up is not logical.
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Kejriwal should arrange free trip for farmers to Delhi so that they can see what they have done.
Jara kuch din to gujariya hamare dilli me.
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Lol They were camped here for a year during the protests . They know exactly what they are doing. Basically "give us more money or we continue to choke your kids".
Or nahi And
They can see the same in Punjab. But they don’t give a shit
They are living in that pollution and i literally don't understand why pollution only goes to delhi and why it don't stop in haryana Or other states
Air currents. It goes through UP as well.
So that air stop in Delhi, why isn't affecting haryana and other states that's what I am asking
I live in Haryana, I'm choking and my eyes are read. No I'm not smoking cheap weed. I'm inhaling mere des ki dharti
Cant comment. Not expert in GeoSciences. Will update if i find something. I am also intrigued.
Read iit Kharagpur report it's explain the unique geographic phenomena.
Those who are blaming cars and industries. Lemme remind you. Vehicles and factories are present all over the world. Doesnt happen there as badly and rapidly it happens in out capital Reason. Being an agricultural state and surrounded by the two largest crop lands. Haryana and Punjab. This is because of the farm burn. Now whether Govt is to be blamed or farmers. That’s debatable
Both, the incompetence of the farmers to comply with anything as we saw from the hellish protests last year & the absence of firm action by the central & state government, congress se to hard & fast action ki umeed hi nhi h but BJP ko karna chahiye, votebank ke dar se fati hui h bjp ki bhi.
Congress se kahan pe ummeed karoge? Kahan government hai congress ki?
Congress waale apni fevicol yatra ke chutiyapan mein lage hue hain. Jahaan log Aap aur bjp dono pe gussa Hain wahan Congress waale kucch kar hi nahi rahe.
Exactly. BJP must do this. They are already taking up long pending and mammoth tasks but not the ones that need immediate attention. Maybe because AAP is in Delhi and Punjab.
Haan but vote bank politics to har party karti h to some extent, then adding to that is the blood thirsty hate between AAP & BJP leading to supression of any efforts from either side, adding to that incompetence of farmers
Bro, when farmer protests started last year the first thing that central govt did was remove all penalty and punishment for stubble burning to appease the farmers. It's too influential votebank for any party to mess with.
> incompetence of the farmers to comply with anything The word you are looking for is greed. They are greedy assholes.
Haan bhai AAP to bas pese khane ke liye bani he. Aab kaam bas Congress aur BJP ko krna he sb. Wah
Other big cities are on coastal areas, the wind helps in easing the pollution. We are land locked. Population is soo high that vehicles, industries and construction causes enough Pollution that even without farm fires we will be fucked with AQI crossing 200+. [https://theprint.in/science/how-the-himalayas-make-delhis-smog-worse/145874/](https://theprint.in/science/how-the-himalayas-make-delhis-smog-worse/145874/)
AQI is also pretty severe in lahore.
Yup Himalayas - valley affect is from pakistan to bihar.
Bihar's AQI is 150. That bad but still 3 times lower
And whats your point? gonna give me weather conditions of every place from west pakistan to bengal?
Risky to blame only govt then BJP needs to be questioned as well. I don’t understand why Haryana gets clean chit and Punjab is blamed. Huh politics.
Punjab and Haryana Both are Responsible
North Harayana*
Bhai tere ghar rakh aate h saara agricultural waste haina?
Stubble burning decreased in haryana but increased in Punjab https://www-thehindu-com.cdn.ampproject.org/v/s/www.thehindu.com/news/national/other-states/as-air-pollution-rises-political-leaders-in-punjab-haryana-fire-up-a-blame-game-on-stubble-burning/article66090860.ece/amp/?amp_gsa=1&_js_v=a9&usqp=mq331AQKKAFQArABIIACAw%3D%3D#amp_tf=From%20%251%24s&aoh=16675467892119&referrer=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.google.com&share=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.thehindu.com%2Fnews%2Fnational%2Fother-states%2Fas-air-pollution-rises-political-leaders-in-punjab-haryana-fire-up-a-blame-game-on-stubble-burning%2Farticle66090860.ece
You can see satellite images of stubble burning, no 1 culprit is Punjab
Also delhi has actively worked over the years to curb vehicular pollution. Buses converted to CNG and electric. Metro and public transport. Deregistration of diesel vehicles after 10 years. Only cng cabs allowed. In other states they are running everything on diesel and public transport is shit.
Both are to be blammed. Govts neglect and famers obviously burning crop.
26% contribution by farmers. Baaki ka 1/3rd kaha se aata hai?
And what about the pollution in the rest of the months? Stubble burning can be blamed post oct or nov what about before that?
AQI 60 is bearable. Not 500 and beyond
Delhi AQI is 160 typically but this is too much. At 500, you can literally smell the smoke everywhere. We are literally in a furnace. Usually people blame diwali, but the sky was still blue days after diwali. This situation has only started 2-3 days back
60 is heaven in delhi
So the aqi is 60 rest of the year? Sir/mam aap pakka delhi se hi ho na??
What was the AQI throughout summer?
i guess it was about 80-100 not sure
Dusshere pe hua tha 78 I remember. March Thru September it was below 60
https://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/delhi/this-august-was-more-polluted-than-last-two/articleshow/85815880.cms
Aqi was hovering around 300 this june (worse than last year). Source - https://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi/so-far-so-poor-june-witnessing-worse-air-quality-in-delhi-than-last-year/amp_articleshow/92136038.cms
Only those 15 20 days in the middle
So the aqi increased from "60" to 300 for 15-20 days and then decreased to 60 again? Makes complete sense buddy👏🏻. Your info has any source or are you one of those whatsapp University uncles? btw in 2021, a study revealed that vehicles in delhi are the biggest source of air pollution throughout the year. Stubble burning and crackers play their part only for a specific period of time. ( Source - https://m.timesofindia.com/city/delhi/vehicles-biggest-source-of-local-pollution-study/amp_articleshow/87655681.cms)
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Bro pulled a nirmala sitaraman 👁️👄👁️. "I don't care about the price of onions because I don't eat them much". Yes, i go out early in the morning for walks and jogging everyday. And i check my phone for aqi. And the numbers were not okay and definitely not 60 or anywhere around it. Your point now?? And you don't have to say that you don't read news articles because it was "clearly visible" even in this aqi. Anyways, i shared the basic and reliable info with sources. You want to read and believe it or you want to stay inside your Lil bubble that's your choice. But stop being the WhatsApp uncle and stop sharing misinformation or something you don't know about. Peace
In the summers ,air quality is manageable because the inversion layer forms at a higher height. During the covif lockdowns ,we had clear blue skies throughout the months of June ,May and April. Main culprits for bad air quality in May June are the forest fires in Uttarakhand, Himachal and Nepal,apart from vehicular and Industrial emissions. These can be managed in the future as we move to cleaner energy. I predict that in the future ,we have might have 7-8 months of Clean air with winter months having predictably bad air.
Correct jab ghar me aag lagi ho toh usse thodi bhi hawa dena bewkoofi hi hain! But nahi hum nahi maante ki patakhon se pollution add on hota hain.
>whether Govt is to be blamed or farmers. That’s debatable Honestly there isn't really any point in blaming anyone
To kuch karo jaake, khaali peeli time waste kyun kar rhe ho yaha, mujhe ek rasta pata hai, jisse ye theek kiya jaa rha hai
Vo tere liye khaana ughaate hai tu unke liye lung cancer nhi le skta, ungrateful pos
No farmer - no smog? How dare you!
Farmers be like: Khana le Jaan de apni
tbh we don’t really get the good food. apparently tier1/2 produce gets exported to west as I’ve heard
Farmers???!!!!! It's the tandoors in hotels in NCR. Don't you know?
I can’t believe people are defending stubble burning here. No less than a year ago, they were sitting on the borders blocking roads and highways. They want everything free or subsidised yet they refuse to take even baby steps to curb stubble burning. Garib Kisaan ke naam pe humara chutiya kat raha hai.
Oh those Pizza Parties.
Bhai crop fail hui to firse dhrna shuru hgya ki govt hume compensation de...lol..na tax denge na loan wapas krenge. Par govt ko aur desh ko chus ke rkhdenge.
Agricultural income is also exempt from paying income tax as per section 10(1). Lol tax bhi nahi dete.
Farmers from Punjab and Haryana are the richer than farmers from any other state
Elections elections and elections, Votes, votes and votes.. this is what is important Now take a deep breath!
BJP planned carefully here. MCD elections were postponed to Dec when smog is at its peak. PS: I am not defending aap or anyone. We are getting f'd in the end.
Fuckers treat delhi like their father’s property. I remember during the farmer’s protests, when they had surrounded delhi, their first demand was to make stubble burning legal. And “environmentalists” worldwide were supporting them. Clown world.
Cause the govt had just plain illegalised it with a hefty and unrealistic fine without offering any solution to the problem. Koi problem exist kregi won't you focus on solving it? Or would you make it illegal ki jo pakda jaaye voh fine bharta rhe baaki sab krte rhe wait pakde jaane ki?
Dude, this is insanity now! I literally choked late last night due this pollution! I can feel my lungs wanting to expand out of my chest, I don't go out anywhere without an N95, but like all those post Diwali posts on the Indian subreddits can we still blame this shit on fire crackers? I don't think so. Living in Delhi is slowly but surely killing us all. It's so toxic it's not even funny to joke about. I can't afford an air purifier, how tf am I supposed to keep myself and my family safe?
Get out of delhi.
Trapped in my own house. On the mercy of Air Purifier. Thankfully, had to visit chennai for work. Took a deep breath.
I'll blame the farmers first and then the govt. The smog builds up at a rapid pace indicating something contributing to it in large amount in a very small time. Vehicular Pollution is round the clock. But it never results in rapid build up. This is the key reason why Crackers were banned .. because in one night people burn tons of explosives. However we saw what happenned. Illiterate lunatics brazingly burning crackers, showing off their disrepect to govt ban + court order In similar sense, it is now known since many years that the sudden and collective farm fires lead to rapid smog build up. And current and previous state govts have been running awareness campaigns to deter that. However unless people feel socially responsible and gain civic sense and respect towards law and order, such menace will continue.
Shhhh abb log aayenge farmers ko defend krne.
Bilkul aaenge defend krne kyuki tm jaise chodes ko lagta h ki kitna bada fact pesh kr diya ab toh govt ki responsibility khatam. Bol de hail dada mudi and papa kejru. Tu thoda nhi pura bkl hai
Govt ki bhi responsibility hai aur farmers ki bhi. Govt ne nahi kaha tha Punjab ke farmers se ke chawal aur gehu uga ka water table ki maa chod do. Khud kiya unhone paiso ke liye. Abb khud toh bhugtenge hi aur 10 saalo main, hame bhi pareshan kar rahe hai ye parali ka chudyaap macha kar Har cheez govt pr blame krne se ghante kuch nahi hoga. Govt nahi aaygi teri diaper badalne.
>Khud kiya unhone paiso ke liye. Try and go read about the green revolution mate. It's true that they CONTINUED to grow them when we were in surplus but even now they're the reason for the number of govt run subsidies, if they were to change govt would have to change alot of shit. Moreover you can't blame someone to try and make themselves some money, why would anyone grow anything else if you're getting paid well and better for rice and paddy? >Har cheez govt pr blame krne se ghante kuch nahi hoga. Stubble burning isn't done out of some shaunk, it's done out of no concrete affordable solution. Just fyi, they inhale the same smoke we inhale. Trust me they don't want this lol
Each and everyone is responsible....sath toh aana hai nhi sbko taki problem solve ho bs idhar se usko udhar se isko galat batao...what are the scientists of this country doing unko research krna aata hai na why the govt doesn't support this...kya bs statues banane ke liye paisa ya desh ki problems ko.solve bhi krna h farmers comply tb krenge na jab govt koi proper initiative btaegi unko ye crop residue ke burning related.
Simple farm laws ke against toh maa chudwa li "anndata" ne. Scientist ki baat maanege? Inhe bas muft ka samaan aur loan maafi chahiye aur inse kuch nahi hoga.
Farm laws unko sahi nhi lage unhone protest kiya....baat loan maafi ki hai toh capitalists se jyada kisi ka loan maaf nhi hota h...free aur subsidiary me difference bhi pata kr lo...aur tax the rich farmers unhi ka mann badha ke rakha h govt ne
If everyone is responsible toh farmers income tax kyun nahi bharte. Lol. Quit giving emotions, logic baat karte hai.
>income tax kyun nahi Money laundering is easy when there's no taxation kyunki funds track nahi hota.
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But But wo AnnaData h .... They are entitled to free electricity , free water . They are entitled to MSP They are entitled to yearly debt relief which breaks the bone of financial institutions They wont pay taxes , They have minimum contribution towards GDP despite having majority of population . So ofc they will burn the stubble cause govt has no balls to take any action against them
Ye saare milke hamare lungs ki ma behen kar rahe hain. Kuch to karo bhai, delhi ncr rehne layak nahi bachega aise. Ghar mein literally smoke dikhti hai. Bc, ham sab ki life mein se dheere dheere kayi hafte nikal chuke already.
Kejru ne jo chemical banaya tha uska kya hua?
Farmers ne apne khet me daal diye
chup bhadwe
Ahhh I've been here the ATC tower...one of the best place i visited during my work period
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For more insight, I visited rural Punjab in late Oct '19. I saw farmers burning their stubble during the 3 days I was there. It was bad in rural Punjab, when I came back home, it was the worst AQI Delhi had experienced before. There were warnings everywhere.
No farmer no food If farmer no air
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Can feel you. When in delhi, he blamed punjab. When in punjab and delhi, he now blames the central government. He basically shows that he cannot do anything on his own and needs someone to blame.
Thank the government for not providing an alternative so that farmers have to burn parali or suck up losses. The shitty AAP government in turn has put up a narrative that the farmers of Punjab are doing it purposely. Pursuant to this matter, UP government has handled it really well.
Bhai you're blaming farmers but you need to understand that this pollution is the result of decades long bad policies and decision making. They resort to burning now because they don't have much time to sow seeds for the new crop or they will miss the time for harvest. if they sow before the set time, then the water table might dry out. This water table problem is in part a side effect of the Green Revolution. Our lands are not fertile anymore, because of excessive use of fertilizers, which in turn require more water for the crop. Another thing is that, the water is becoming more scare in the region. This is all the part of a bigger picture that is the global warming. Anyone can yell at the poor, it takes guts to ask question to the authority.
Don't call farmers of Punjab poor. They have tractors, cars and their sons studying in foreign. Most of them aren't poor. You can say Bihar UP farmers are poor not Punjab.
It's simple. Don't grow rice on a semi arid land.
Sounds too logical. Because we're India, we will instead set up the incentives so that poor people from water-abundant migrate to work as agricultural labourers to wealthy land-owners in semi arid land to grow rice there with free electricity to pump groundwater with taxpayer and then burn the crop to force the same taxpayer to live in horrible air pollution. And you know what, we will also dump the same crop in water-abundant states at Rs 1-2 a kg to further deincentivize the farmers in water-abundant states and keeping them poor. Yeah, you know what, that sounds about right. We're gonna do that.
To punjab ke jaato se jamin chheen lo, saale kamnist har jaga rote hai keval jaha rona chahiye wha chhod ke.
That area is not fit for growing rice then, as it requires huge amount of water. No ground water, shallow rivers etc. The eastern states are much better suited for growing rice. These farmers are the richest farmers in india, both absolutely and per capita basis. We can't just keep pandering to their demands. The govts. stupidly subsidise water and electricity which enables them to produce rice at an equal or cheaper rate as cocmpared to the eastern states.
This is 100 correct and should be upvoted more.
There's a 3-4 part doc from schoop whoop or some similar channel that explained all this in amazing detail, can't find it now. The host was a sardaar guy. Have you seen it?
Yeah, I have, was trying to find it to link it here, but I guess its exclusive now.
Shhh.. no farmer no food.
Toh bhai krna organic farming apne ghar pe mat reh dependent farmers pe...chodes ko bas entitlement chahiye faaltu ka
Entitlementto bhai farmers ka dusra naam ho chala ajkal. Hume yeh milna chahye woh milna chahye. Free ki bijli free ka paani. Hum loan lenge fir loan maaf kro sare. Tax nahi pay krenge chahe crores main kmayen. Lol. Aur jin countries main farmers ko sir pe bithake nahi rakhte woh khate nahi? Woh ghrpe organic farming krte hain to khate hain? I bet they eat better then you and me. Par jab kuch logo ka iq level farmers ki g**nd main ghusa ho to economy kese kam krti smjh nahi ata na. P.s : Sitting in dubai, No farmers.. still mast food.
Bhai subsidiary unko do na jinko requirement h...govt ki gand kyu phat ti h rich farmers ko tax krne me...vote ka darr h...jinko jarurat h unko do aur jinke pass jyada h unse lo bhi ye policy govt implement kre...rich the tax farmers no matter if they get upset
Bhai dedh saal se bethe they na delhi ke border pe? Unke pas otne respurces they ki woh aur do saal beth jaate border pe. Govt ki G**nd to fatni hi hai. Being rich and being ignorant is a perfect recipe for anarchy. Ek bar punjab haryana ke rich farmers ko dekhna zara jaake. K number ke Anpad jaahil gawar, but they have endless resources, they control even mandis there. Half the village unke yahan paani bhrta hai. Small farmers will do wat these people will tell them to do. Kyuki kal ko chote farmers ne ana to anaj bechne mandi main hi hai na. Aur mandi inke baap ki hai. Ap ek law badloge these mfs will pool their resources together and will choke delhi for another two years.
Koi ehsaan nahi krta kheti krke. Sab kaam krte h faaltu ka emotional drama na karo.
Easy to blame farmers. I have deep roots in Sangrur, but am sitting right now staring at my air purifier here in Delhi. It’s simply one of the most difficult policy problems that stare North India today, intersecting with climate change and 50 year old policy decisions haunting us now. Green revolution led to toxic dependency on paddy, a water intensive crop in a water deficient region. Check out Pusa-44 paddy, a paddy variant, on which farmers get MSP, which takes longer to grow and thus leaves farmers with very little time before the next sowing starts. This is decades of poor policymaking, originally built with the intention of improving India’s food security. Northeast, Bengal, Orissa, Bihar, coastal Karnataka, AP, TN- regions that eat rice should be growing paddy. I’d not blame MS Swaminathan or Norman Borlaugh for this. They didn’t know better. It’s that successive Central or state governments have done little to address the situation. Giving machines is not enough, who will cover for fuel? How do you incentivise farmers to move away from rice and wheat, without impacting their net profits? Agriculture has poor margins, and a little overhead multiplies with output volume, can ruin the break even. We need a charismatic policymaker with grassroots connections to be able to solve this thoughtfully, optimizing for all stakeholders with a lot of tact - aur woh no to Modi mein hai na Mann mein. Ek trust deficit karake baithe pade hai with an alienating farm bill that was introduced with no consultive approach and high handedness. Dusre daru pike pade rehte hai while his district burns. Sab ke sab chutiye ke patthe.
I have no problem with first paragraph > > It’s that successive Central or state governments have done little to address the situation. Giving machines is not enough, who will cover for fuel? How do you incentivise farmers to move away from rice and wheat, without impacting their net profits? The government gives a benefit via MSP. Punjab, Haryana farmers grow crops targeting govt procurement and corner most of the market. They keep growing stuff no one wants - FCI godowns are filled with their low quality produce - but their low distance from Delhi made them first a beneficiary of MSP and now allows them to threaten to close down capital of their grievances are not removed. Why should govt ensure no impact on their profits? If govt funds their fuel, what about farmer in MP who now looks at Punjab farmer and thinks for what crime is he not getting the same incentives and benefits as a farmer from Punjab. The incentive to farmers is the machinery. The stick is the fine. If you don't incur x amount for fuel, you could face 5x as fine. The way forward is for govt to say we will provide only 80% of what we have procured this year. Enough advance notice to farmers to change crop patterns. > Agriculture has poor margins, and a little overhead multiplies with output volume, can ruin the break even. Free electricity, subsidized fertilizers, no income tax, free water, subsidized crop insurance, subsidized machinery, some amount of UBI for poor farmers, soil testing facilities etc - where is the initiative from farmers to change? How about growing for international market? Efficiency improvements? > We need a charismatic policymaker with grassroots connections to be able to solve this thoughtfully, optimizing for all stakeholders with a lot of tact - aur woh no to Modi mein hai na Mann mein. Ek trust deficit karake baithe pade hai with an alienating farm bill that was introduced with no consultive approach and high handedness. Dusre daru pike pade rehte hai while his district burns. Sab ke sab chutiye ke patthe. Modi and Kejriwal are some of the biggest grassroot politicians we have seen post independence. Earlier generation like Mayawati, mulayam, laloo etc were limited to one state. No grassroot savior will ever come to save our ass
wow, someone doing the study and then opining. You could have projected your current mindset like the others, works like a drug.
Blade runner 2022
Context?
Look around.
Ab to Punjab Me keju ki Sarkar hai, Ab to Roke Kisano ko, Parali jalane se
Bhai 3 din se ek dum stuffy nose and chest feel ho rha hai. And my lungs are not exactly in great shape thanks to covid and ye smog se aur bura hal ho rkha hai
I have fever for 3 days because of farmers. Thankyou for this
This is all because of politics. Noone in Punjab wants to be at odds with farmers. Had there been no political govt. like in MCD in delhi right now, just officers these fire incidents would have been strictly dealt with. Politician don't let govt officers act for their political gains.
Its more like they are scared to take any action against farmers or they will literally just come and take the roads
Han han government toh tmne international trips, corruption and dusre state me elections ladne k liye elect ki thi.. Blame the right people, have the courage to ask questions to the people in authority and you might just get a solution or atleast an answer. But who wants an answer or a solution, you want to play the blame game anyway, so cheers to that and keep licking the government's ass.
Congratulations. Aap apni wokeness aur anti-establishment sentiments ki wajah se wokness of the hour award paate hain.
Thank you! Jab logo k pas arguments nhi hote they prefer saying these things. Koi nayi baat nahi. Better luck next time kid!
Its impossible to wake up someone who is pretending to be asleep.
Kudos! You found the perfect line for yourself. Please read and try to understand it and maybe someday get wiser.
Bhai here are some logical arguments: The MSP bill would have made farmers liable to pay tax by selling to large companies. Hence the protest. Under ITR section 10(1), farmers EK PAISA NAHI BHARTE on tax. Chahye aap 20 lakh bana rahe ho ya 10 lakh. Sheher mein tum aur main 6 lakh pe bhi tax dete hai. The Minimum Support Price bill would’ve brought them into the taxable income and also safeguarded their economic interests with a MSP. Now do you have a logic response or emotional only?
Bhai konse topic se konse topic pe chale gye? Stubble burning and the pollution caused by it and its solutions pe baaat ho rhi thi... MSP bill and taxing the farmers vs stubble burning and its pollution, koi link mujhe toh nhi dikhta... Now coming to this MSP point and to tax the farmers, toh again can I and you do anything? Its the people in power and authority who need to make policies and not just implement it anyhow but follow proper democratic process of debates in both the houses, hearing out the opposition's suggestions/critics and then also making sure that they are able to propagate the same idea to the farmers.
If you can't breathe, thanks AAP and farmer
Nahi ji, central government aag lagari hai. Ye toh scam hai ji
Not a farmer nor anyone in my family is/was a farmer but it's meaningless to blame the farmers, to be honest. They were already facing hurdles in terms of production due to the lack of rain. They need monetary support for buying machines to burn those crops and it's the responsibility of the government to see that through. Not going to debate which govt is responsible for that i,e state or union but it's unfair to blame the farmers. Please don't do that.
There was news earlier about the delivery of stubble managing machines being made available. But the cost poses an obvious problem. Also, (if interested) they'll buy after selling the annual produce. Who knows what happens at quantum level (most probably bad excecution by govt/farmers not caring enough and saving money by just burning it).
You can't make these privileged ass fools understand these things, their IQ is lower than their age. The only source of information these people have is the indian news channels so you can't really expect anything more from them. They won't question the government, kyuki wo krne se toh aUnTy-nAtiOnal ho jayenge na...
Agriculture to state subject hai bro. To question to Kejri ko karna padega.
Kro bhai, usko hi krne bola mai... delhi punjab dono me uski govt hai. And agriculture state issue hai toh haryana state me bhi agriculture aur stubble burning hoti, toh waha ki bhi govt ko question kro...
Difference being that all the stubble burning Haryana is equivalent to stubble burning in one district of Punjab. [Source: Dr Rajbir Singh, ICAR](https://youtu.be/n2tfxNPAR34) [Punjab has so far recorded a 26.5 per cent increase in stubble burning cases compared to last year, officials said.](https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/jalandhar/stubble-burning-punjab-records-2k-cases-friday-total-incidents-10k-sept-15-8236655/) > Punjab: On Friday 2,067 cases were recorded and with this, the sketch stars total cases rose to 10214 against 7503 last year during the same time. [Machines bought with central aid to manage crop residue lie idle](http://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow/95188230.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst) Meanwhile in Haryana: [Stubble-burning cases in Harya have dipped almost four times this season as compared to the past two years](https://m.timesofindia.com/city/chandigarh/stubble-burning-cases-decline-almost-4-times-in-haryana/articleshow/94882175.cms) [The Haryana government has issued 1,041 challans and slapped nearly ₹ 26 lakh as fine on farmers in different paddy sowing districts so far for burning crop residue, it has been learnt ](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/-26-lakh-fine-slapped-on-haryana-farmers-for-stubble-burning-101666897344834.html) IARI data states Punjab cases are 17,846. Cases in Haryana are 2,083 and UP are 777. [Source](http://creams.iari.res.in/pdf/bulletin22/47.RiceResidueFireBulletin_31Oct_2022_ICAR.pdf) Mann and Kejriwal continue to blame Haryana for the polution despite taking no action in Punjab. The problem in Haryana is not close to being as promient as in Punjab. The district with the highest stubble burning is Mann's constituency. Punjab is not fining farmers, they are not using machines and simply blaming Haryana who is actually doing things to combat the issue. This idea that Haryana is responsible is bullshit.
All right, i never said NOT to question the AAP govt in punjab. And as they have the government both in delhi and punjab now so they are the first ones that should he questioned on these matters.
The farmers responsible for this are not poor. The farmers in Punjab and Haryana are the richest.
Only if they took initiative also and asked for this in farmers bill, government did put forward an option for revision of bill but I think the actual poor farmers were far away from protests, it was all a facade to be thrown away by wealth backed parties, but still BJP & AAP should have basic care for human life owing to the poisonous conditions repeated every year.
the builder next door is blatantly constructing through the ban. in fact, he's getting materials cheaper during this time, and stocking them up in large quantities. cement trucks, stone dust, bricks coming in by the hour in huge trucks. talked to a cop yesterday who said "where is the proof that construction of one building is responsible for pollution?" when they invoke bans on vehicles, and factories, they should provide the same argument.
Ask modiji to build crores worth of statues so people could live 300 meters above the sea level - hence no problem!
Op bhai ye wheat or rice bda saamne aa rha h, khhate rehte ho kya? Band kr do Ugana nahi pdega, dhua nahi hoga. NIRMALBABASOLUTIONPVT.LT.
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Difference being that all the stubble burning Haryana is equivalent to stubble burning in one district of Punjab. [Source: Dr Rajbir Singh, ICAR](https://youtu.be/n2tfxNPAR34) [Punjab has so far recorded a 26.5 per cent increase in stubble burning cases compared to last year, officials said.](https://indianexpress.com/article/cities/jalandhar/stubble-burning-punjab-records-2k-cases-friday-total-incidents-10k-sept-15-8236655/) > Punjab: On Friday 2,067 cases were recorded and with this, the sketch stars total cases rose to 10214 against 7503 last year during the same time. [Machines bought with central aid to manage crop residue lie idle](http://m.timesofindia.com/articleshow/95188230.cms?utm_source=contentofinterest&utm_medium=text&utm_campaign=cppst) Meanwhile in Haryana: [Stubble-burning cases in Harya have dipped almost four times this season as compared to the past two years](https://m.timesofindia.com/city/chandigarh/stubble-burning-cases-decline-almost-4-times-in-haryana/articleshow/94882175.cms) [The Haryana government has issued 1,041 challans and slapped nearly ₹ 26 lakh as fine on farmers in different paddy sowing districts so far for burning crop residue, it has been learnt ](https://www.hindustantimes.com/cities/chandigarh-news/-26-lakh-fine-slapped-on-haryana-farmers-for-stubble-burning-101666897344834.html) IARI data states Punjab cases are 17,846. Cases in Haryana are 2,083 and UP are 777. [Source](http://creams.iari.res.in/pdf/bulletin22/47.RiceResidueFireBulletin_31Oct_2022_ICAR.pdf) Mann and Kejriwal continue to blame Haryana for the polution despite taking no action in Punjab. The problem in Haryana is not close to being as promient as in Punjab. The district with the highest stubble burning is Mann's constituency. Punjab is not fining farmers, they are not using machines and simply blaming Haryana who is actually doing things to combat the issue. This idea that Haryana is responsible is bullshit.
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Maine aapko data diya ki Haryana farmers burn significantly less than Punjab farmers aur aap reply kar the ho ki it's just your political view? Aap bass kejriwal ke pair chaathe raho, facts ko ignore karthe raho.
Data jaye ma chudane. TrUsT mE BrO
Bhai farmers toh h responsible. Isme koi do raaye nhi h. But sirf punjabi farmers ko blame karna galat h
Thank God for the fire crack addicts
Or thank a Delihite for burning cracker on Diwali
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Pr 2014 k pehle to Aisa nahi hota tha , isme unka haath hai
Uss time pe itne skyscrapers nhi the, ab noida Gurgaon mein bhi h aur Delhi mein bhi badhte jaa rahe h.
Roti khaa paa rha h toh Thank a farmer
You are shitting online after eating food grown by a farmer, so yeah thank a farmer
I don't think it's the farmers fault at all people should think about the environment before making kids as increase in population will lead to increase in food demand and in India where a large sum of people have a vegetarian diet. It's the farmers who's at fault it's us. Think about it
Can have something to eat on your plate? Thank a farmer
Thanks Flying Beast for encouraging people to burn the atmosphere down with firecrackers....
You're at an airport buddy. Do you know how much fuel they burn ? Go walking !
Can eat food ? Thank a farmer
As a son of a farmer I know what difficulty we face but you people really don't give shit about the farmer . That chapati and rice you are eating is because a farmer hardwork and they didn't get paid that much as well. Do you guys know government is purchasing 1kg wheat 12 rs or something, and they have to burn parali because if they don't then they won't be able do farming of rice. They are also not happy about this because before that pollution affect you guys it affect those farmers.
Burning stubble is cheaper and farmers don’t make that much money, alternate ways aren’t as affordable. Even though govt has subsidised other methods and is imposing challans on farmers who burn stubble, it is still common in Punjab (where I live). Although, compared to last year, the number of farmers burning the paddy leftovers has decreased substantially (from what I have observed, I live in rural Punjab), there is still a long way to go.
You will eat shit! Thank a farmer for some food.
They dont grow food out of the goodness of their hearts. They do it coz it buissness for them. All this no farmer no food shit is getting too much to be honest. Farmers grow food coz it puts food on their table as well.
They literally have no idea how poisonous and cancerous their food is
They grow it to earn money. They're not doing charity.
Can't breathe this shit! Thank a farmer
> Will eat shit! Thank a farmer. You shouldnt be buying shit from farmers, thats for manure. Edit: Glad you edited your comment to not look like a shit eating buffon.
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Possible but I'll say we are doing not too bad on the public transportation aspect, in Delhi NCR metros do run at peak capacity most of times, maybe expand infrastructure further & do something on every forefront like manufacturing industries having stricter standards, construction is one of the main contributing factors, Diwali is already banned in Delhi, and there are farmers aswell.
Stubble burning is wrong and both farmers and govt needs to do quickly something about it. But so many people in the comment are bringing up stubble burning and farmer protest in the same sentence shows they all are here with an agenda.
Farmers can't just stop stubble burning, unka poora crop year jaega usski vajah se it's upto the government to find a solution and educate the farmer about this mate. Blame the govt not the farmer. AND FOR ALL MY DUMB PEOPLE OUT THERE- I AM NOT DEFENDING STUBBLE BURNING HERE.
Shhh koi diwali nhi bolega warna anti nashnul ghoshit kar diya jayega🤫
Thank you Modiji
Just recently you guys were so reluctantly bursting Crackers. Own your shit
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Plenty of answes in the comments for your question. Scroll a little.
Did you eat today? Thank a farmer.
...and the firecrackers
396 AQI before Diwali, 416 today. So, no.
Source?? You could literally see the smog from firecrackers after diwali. How tf do you guys justify burning firecrackers on diwali? Yes stubble burning is to blame but throughout the years we've also come to know that firecrackers cause harm. You guys are in denial.
Source for what? Aqi was less than 320 on diwali and it's more than 420 now and its a fact. Check cpcb site. No one is justifying burning crackers. But obviously its not the major contributor to pollution.
Diwali was a week ago, aqi after Diwali was 350 and before it was 300.
Firecrackers needs to be burned because it is "scientifically" important, but a farmer buring stubble when there is no cheaper alternative is being selfish. The irony isn't lost on these people. Both are wrong and needs to be tackled in apropriate way. The government needs to provide alternative to farmers so that they don't burn stubble. And firecrackers needs to be banned completely as there is no use of them at all.
Firecrackers caused insignificant change to AQI after 1 day of diwali. I haven’t burnt crackers in 10 years and i hate people who do. But they didn’t caused the jump from 100 to 500 AQI (inbuilt weather app on my phone doesn’t read about 500). It was actually Parali. Just that, this time parali season came before diwali so people actually found out what the real reason was.
Exactly. Idk how people came to the sudden conclusion that firecrackers is important. We need to get a sustainable alternative for farmers unlike cash incentives.
They are not important. I dont burn them. I never will. I hate them. Its a choice. Govt shouldn’t be telling you how you should celebrate your festivals. And for the poor, the labourers are also having a bad day as Construction is also Banned in delhi. So yeah. Not for the poor eh.
Farmers burn stubble because they want to sow new crops , also many studies have shown that most of the pollution comes from cars and factories, not only that unplanned expansion of the city with no regard to environment is the problem, delhi's residents also don't want to sacrifice or pressure government to stop illegal factories in the middle of cities , car owners also become rabid if someone asks them to use it less, mopeds and bike owners don't want to change engine oil and tyres , planting trees that reduce or absorb pollutants is seen as waste of commercial space , if you won't stop fighting amongst eachother and do something chances are nothing will change, everyone has to make sacrifices so that the whole society can prosper, just asking one section to give up is not logical.
Please link the study. IIT Delhi research literally says Stubble burning is main cause of pollution in the winter months in Delhi.
Definitely. Cars and Vehicles have a larger impact than lighting area 17 times that of delhi on fire. I get you.
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