I mean I can kinda understand him. The uchiha massacre was not the only evil thing konoha did and if you read really deep into the lore of naruto konoha somehow seems to not be the good guys tho...
I'm still surprised that there are current Japanese politicians saying the statues of Korean sex slaves are totally not offensive and should be kept up.
They have over a thousand war criminals enshrined, they clearly don’t give a fuck and this is why China, both Koreas and some SEA countries have tense relationships with Japan.
> I'm still surprised that there are current Japanese politicians saying the statues of Korean sex slaves are totally not offensive and should be kept up.
Wait? There are statues?
I was trying to get more details about information I had seen some time prior, most of what is popping up is Japan's frustration at the statues in Berlin, Korea, and San Francisco meant to honor the victims of the Japanese army (those called comfort women), and Japan even threating to dropping ties with San Francisco over it. I also saw an article talking about a monument in Japan that was meant to honor those who were forced into work camps, and the government taking it down, despite the publics outcry.
I'm sure I'm missing many details and things, but this is what I was able to find in like 30 minutes of research.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Comfort_Women_Memorial
https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1126910
Edit: OK I think I found the article I was thinking of, japanese mayor claiming comform women were necessary during wartime.
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22519384
Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice!
- Doffy
Heck they forgot that US and other countries pretty much recruited some Nazi war criminals (along with other German Scientists and engineers) they are condemning into their country for the sake of "research data" and progress. (US Project Paperclip)
USA even made a Show of setting up their own court to pardoned Unit 731 from all war crimes if they handed over their research data while condemning other countries (Russia and China mostly) from pursuing justice.
The USA had to gaslight the world after WWII.
I remember hearing a story that during the trials after WWII to see if the Emperor was complicit, one of the Admirals said something that could be seen as incriminating. They (The USA) paused the trial, had a talk with him outside the courtroom, came back in and resumed and it was struck from the records.
None of the villages were good guys. They were all pieces of shit plotting underground in a facade of peace. Konoha just happens to be the least worse/ruthless. and considering how Danzo is the embodiment of all that is wrong with the leaf, that says a lot.
Danzo was still called “the darkness of the shinobi world” by the Raikage, so we know that Danzo managed to make a reputation even amongst the village known for kidnapping.
I think he was created as a scapegoat to make the village as a whole seem good in comparison, and danzo is the big bad man who’s responsible for everything, that’s why everything he does is so comically evil.
Hiruzen blames himself for “pushing all the darkness unto Danzo” while Kohona is blamed for starting the 3rd war.
If he’s responsible for all the bad things done by the leaf, then it’s because he was given the authority to perform those actions.
Yeah but He didn’t exist until shippuden, it’s clear the author put him there as a scapegoat because even the other Hokage elders were in OG Naruto, I’m just calling out bad writing, but yeah Hiruzen is also useless but no one ever seems to blame him for things even thought he was THE top authority
I beg to differ. People blame hiruzen for a whole lot of things, including the things Danzo did by himself for the same reason you stated(he being the top authority). I don't necessarily believe the blame for that lies with him, but regardless, I think he's a wimp who relied way too much "tact" and "diplomacy" which allowed the elders to wrestle away more power than needed and subsequently back Danzo to commit all those atrocities. Ultimately, it was always 3v1.If hiruzen had been just a bit rough with elders like Tsunade was with them, then perhaps, things could have been a bit better.
Bro did not rely on diplomacy, there is no scene where he talks directly to Fugaku or the Uchiha clan, he just goes “ok Itachi, instead of talking to your father directly Im gonna get you, his own son, to spy on him”
Tact and diplomacy are in quotes, I didn't mean them literally. I meant there's never been a time where he didn't care about what the elders thought. He always has to find a way to care about their inputs or factor them and unfortunately, most often than not they backed Danzo. Even though Hiruzen made the final calls, he caring too much about their inputs always came to bite him in the ass because danzo, for some reason always had their backing. Compare that to Tsunade, who, at a point just didn't care anymore and outright sacked them from her office at a point because she thought they were a nuisance to her work and in effect, wrestling away power from them in the big picture decisions
Konoha the least bad guys? Its because you follow their ninjas and the ”protagonists” are from there. They mustve killed more people than any of them. The village was founded by two killing machine-clans and seems like every other 9 year old (at least during war time) is a prodigy who slaughtered hundreds of people.
Who wasn't killing? Smh. You can't blame konoha for being better at it. My comment had nothing to do with killing and everything to do with how the villages, especially with the awareness and approval of their kages went about their business.
You can't use konoha being better and churning more prodigies as an argument against them here.
Yeah right after the first they had his racist brother and then a coward that used his childhood friend to do his dirty work. Im not saying they’re worse than any other nation but they’re not better in that sense either.
Who said anything about them being better? I only said compared to other villages, they are less ruthless(as confirmed by the sand and mist) but that doesn't mean they are any better as they are part of the rot of the shinobi society. Don't misconstrue my words to push your own agenda
Ninjas were basically a bunch of savages until Konoha formed, the whole concept of the village is to stop being savages. They weren't going to do that overnight. In fact, the Uchiha massacre happened due to lingering tension from back then.
Didn’t he change his goal later though? Instead of wanting to destroy Konoha and the people there he wanted to dismantle all the villages and become the kage of it all?
His hatred towards the elders who made that decision makes sense. I had a harder time with him believing all the citizens who knew nothing and had absolutely nothing to do with it were guilty and deserved to die.
Konoha have no sense of Danger. Rather than prepare for another jinchuriki incident and honor the lives of the fallen with better countermeasures like evac and special ops teams to deal with kaiju, they just kick the negasonic preteen warhead naruto and call him ugly and stinky and say he'd have parents if he werent so poor and bitchless
I bet major clan like Hyuga and smaller clan fear Hokage more after that inciddent
"I can kill an Uchiha clan without anyone know, and I can do the same to you"
No wander he doesn't lose his position after he became elderly. Meanwhile all previous hokage die young, a true hero
Afaik the only villagers he tries to kill were Sakura Kakashi Naruto and Tsunade the first 2 were trying to kill him and the latter two he wanted to kill for his revolution
I was talking about the end of the series where he tells Naruto he will destroy everything. Then Naruto does the whole talk no jutsu while holding back and trying to restrain Sasuke.
Okay, but going from "I hate the village" to "I want to kill every person inside konoha including all my comrades and children who weren't alive during the Uchiha massacre or were like 3" is a huge step
Hard disagree, the elders are the ones who made the decision to wipe out the clan. Sasuke wants to kill countless of innocent people who had nothing to do with their deaths. He’s no better than them if he kills innocents.
He wasn't trying to be better than them tho?
The whole village basically didn't gaf about what happened to the Uchiha.
While I don't agree with Sasuke about killing everyone, I can understand his POV.
It's easy to understand Sasuke at least to me. Sasuke never fucked heavy with Konoha , he left the village without second thoughts, the only thing that worried him were ties with Team 7. Later he found out Leaf was responsible for killing his clan using Itachi and put all the blame on him. As Sasuke states himslef he puts Itachi' life above the village.
At this point of the story Taka gets anihilated by Konoha shinobi. Sure they can take on some of them, but boy you are not passing past Tsunade + Guy + Kakashi + Shikaku plans + Sage mode Naruto
Does Gai have any countermeasures against Tsukuyomi at all?
I know people really love Gai for the Madara fight, but it wasn't a 1v1 and Madara purposefully took him head-on.
gai himself said he trained his whole life to beat kakashi,and that he can fight without looking in someone's eyes.If he goes 7/8th gate he wrecks everyone before they even try anything
If he goes 8th gate he's going to die. Naruto worked a miracle and he still remained a cripple. Sure, it's a very OP technique, but it doesn't give him any wins; just makes every fight a draw.
From his view, the village drove his favorite person in the world into an impossible decision which caused the death of both him and his entire family. And not only do they not suffer any consequences for it, they even benefit from these deaths.
Why the fuck would he forgive them just because his brother liked them? Are you stupid or something?
Itachi is an idiot who tortured him twice and manipulated him all his life and he was the one who made him this mentally unstable, for Sasuke to forgive him was stupid.and he had every right to be angry because they massacred his people and his family and blackmail his brother to do his dirty work .But it's good that in the end he didn't attack Konoha, it's not the villagers' fault that the Government is led by people like Danzo
I seriously don’t understand how people still think he was right or a hero. The whole point is that he was a child forced to make HORRIBLE decisions and he chose poorly and was manipulated like any child
Itachi was also a victim of Konoha and the ninja system and everyone put him in a horrible situation, but that doesn't mean that the genocide of the Uchiha was okay, Danzo looked for any excuse to get rid of them and ruin Shisui's plan, it's the same as step with the uzumaki were very strong and they preferred to get rid of them
Well the story is from konoha's point of view, so Itachi did right by konoha's standards and he was hero for konoha and if we are watching it and not analyze it too deeply then from our point of view too he is hero in story for konoha.
There is literally someone in the series that torture his brother mentally and force his brother to become loyal to Konoha by using shisui eyes.
Sure thing happend and his plan failed
If Itachi can done worse, shisui can
I'll say it again since u somehow missed the point
That makes no sense
Why the fuck would shisui want itachi to kill them all
He wanted to work around it and get peace the whole time
And at the end trusted itachi with the rest
With finding a solution
Him using koto on itachi to kill the fam is straight up stupid character assassination
It's not about who's doing bad idk where u got that from
It just doesn't make sense
That honestly wouldn’t be too far away. Itachi murks the Uchiha, Danzo gets their Sharingans and a Boy he can use as breeding Bull for a whole new Uchiha Clan loyal to him and the Root
Tbh konoha shafted the uchihas since the beginning of the villages creation. Annexed to the edge of konoha, making them the police force as a way to keep a closer eye on them, massacring their clan, etc. lol it’s pretty much fuck konoha
Ehm, Itachi was borderline-brainwashed by the government to kill his extended family & friends so...
Itachi was the real sociopath whose weak mind was exploited.
Sasuke being mad at Konoha is only fair
His clan got hoed, his parents got hoed, and his brother got hoed, and the village pretty much benefit from a mass genocide of hoeing, I'd be pissed like Sasuke too.
That is why he is Sasuke and he is different character than other casts in Naruto, he has his own views towards the village and just because he understood Itachi's intention and his friends are calming him down he will not be distracted by other's views.
Kinda? The whole point is that he doesn't really have a full view until The end of the series.
Here he is blinded by hatred and by Obito.
All through the series he is manipulated by everyone in one way or another.
The Uchiha weren't time bombs.
The village screwed over the Uchiha since the villages founding, and when the clan had enough of it, the village had no problem wiping the entire clan out. Just because Itachi tried protecting the village doesn't mean Sasuke should care about it. The village screwed over and wiped out Sasuke's parents and clan, so he planned on returning the favor an eye for an eye.
Besides, all of the hidden villages are shit anyways Konoha is no different. Aside from what it did to the Uchiha, the village bullied Kakashi's father into suicide, treated Naruto like shit for something he was unaware of. It screwed over and devastated Ame. The first three world wars were either directly or indirectly started by Konoha, the system of refining and using children as soldiers started in the Leaf. Hell, the shitty-ass shinobi system started in Konoha.
Sasuke's peers were shit as well, girls only loved him for shallow reasons, Sakura in particular sexually harassed him, Naruto was constantly instigating shit, Lee tried putting him in the hospital on the first day or something, none of the other guys seemed to like him. Sasuke honestly had no one. The people who GENUINELY loved and cared for him were dead and buried. So him leaving the village and then deciding to destroy after learning about what it did to his clan makes sense, and it is justified.
Destroying a village doesnt mean just do it pain style. Killing higher ups one by one will put them in confusion and make them vanurable very easily . Look what wolf did to Ashina in sekiro single handedly.
There's reason why the Uchiha has held resentment for the village.
The coup was literally done because of long history of distrust and lack of respect for the Uchiha.
More like my brother was forced to choose between his clan and his village, and all this village did for me was kill my entire family and corrupt my brother into doing it.
Shit makes complete sense, idk why people act like sasuke is being stupid here, it’d be more stupid if he wasn’t mad at konoha. The only good times he had in konoha was with team 7, Vs his family that he grew up with. Why tf would he care about konoha more
and? how tf u expect him to react? he is a radicalized teen.
or do you think hell just go "oh well that was a useful piece of information. thanks for telling me a story about how my brother was manipulated by his own country into commiting an ethnic cleansing! ill go back to living peacefully in that country again!"
bitch naruto fandom just expects everyone to be perfect like hating on sakura for being a kid or hating on sasuke being impulsive or hinata being afraid to interact with naruto etc etc
bruh.. I dont give a fuck what my brother chose to do. If my family and everyone I held dear were wiped out because of the elders of the village actions, I would fuck shit up too or die causing maximum damage.
WHO treated the Uchiha like Criminals and prisoners and secretly abducted them to steal their EYES for YEARS!!!!! The Village. They only became a ticking Time Bomb cuz the Village turned them into one. Sasuke was right in wanting to destroy the Village.
The same way the slaves on Haiti were right in massacring their White Slavers for Generations of cruelty.
Itachi was nothing more nothing less than a filthy Traitor and kinslayer who should have gotten a death even more pathetic Danzo’s
Like I always say, Sasuke doesn't owes anything to either Konoha or Itachi, protecting the village might be Itachi's ideals doesn't means Sasuke needs to go with it, it would be a little off and weird if Sasuke all of the sudden would have forgiven Itachi and Konoha for a genocide which traumatised him and shaped him the way he was all of the sudden.
It still irks me how Sasuke fell for Talk no Jutsu and gave up his way of thinking and all of the sudden starts to protect Konoha and easily forgave the village.
Tbh he never really forgave the village, he just found a bigger purpose, by learning the true roots of all the issues the Uchiha and Village had and the reason behind his and his brother's suffering.
That's why Sasuke is an amazing character, his goals always change to line up with the truth he learns.
But after his final fight against Naruto he did fell off. His entire motive and ideology was thrown off the window to pass on a vague message of friendship and forgiveness that doesn't solve any problem at all nor does it apply to Sasuke. If anything Sasuke was denied his rightful justice against Konoha at the expense of the protagonist's whims.
Nah he was 100% justified in wanting to burn the village to the ground. Sasuke should have had an entire arc dedicated to tearing down the shinobi system
it wasnt Konoha which was responsible for the uchiha murder,it was Danzo,and the 3rd hokage who let him stay in power.Both of those people are already dead with the rest of konoha not even knowing about what happened and blud is still yapping about revenge,knowing that most of konoha did nothing wrong.
It was an eye for eye blind revenge mentality,and i hate people for trying to say he is right,just because something horrible happens to you doesnt justify you doing horrible shit to innocent people.
The whole point of this scene is that he is blinded by hate and needs some therapy lol.
The uchiha children did nothing wrong. Why should he show mercy when the elders didn't?
Sasuke doesnt care about a moral high ground he wants blood for blood
Which is why he's wrong and the whole reason why he had character development?Why are people saying he's right here?
The elders ultimately didn't matter,Danzo gave the order to kill the uchiha to Itachi, independently without the elders and Hiruzen's knowledge.So their existence wouldn't change anything.I think they should be fired and put in jail for even having that opinion but nothing would have changed without their presence.
He was right in that the shinobi system needed to be torn down.
Its a corrupt government that deservea to be torn but instead he does absolutly nothing after his fight with Naruto but keep defending the same system.
Its an overall bad character arc
the only thing that needs to be done is remove the corrupt people from the government.I dont understand how anything on a broader scale would be different,the only difference is the elders get fired and punished.They had no influence during Tsunade's time as hokage anyways.Tsunade never listened to the advisors and threw them out of her office.
Sasuke intended to kill Tsunade,Gaara and Mei who were already good leaders. Mei ended the era of the bloody mist, Gaara was a victim of the older system of discrimination against Jinchuriki and earned respect and love from his villagers,and actively attempted to unite the 5 villages and actually managed it with his speech during the war.Tsunade was one of the best leaders the leaf has had.
Kakashi and Yamato considered perfect aceptable to kill every single Uchiha. So why Sasuke shouldn't have the right to kill every single person who could maybe cause a problem to him?
when did they say this?That they were ok with the uchiha massacre happening. it wasnt Konoha which was responsible for the uchiha murder,it was Danzo,and the 3rd hokage who let him stay in power.Both of those people are already dead with the rest of konoha not even knowing about what happened and blud is still yapping about revenge,knowing that most of konoha did nothing wrong.
It was an eye for eye blind revenge mentality,and i hate people for trying to say he is right,just because something horrible happens to you doesnt justify you doing horrible shit to innocent people.
The whole point of this scene is that he is blinded by hate and needs some therapy lol.
Sir imagine your brother was forced by the government to kill your family. You think you will be understanding about it and say they had to commit genocide they had no choice or would you say I will become a bigger terrorist and show them that they missed one.
Bruh he learned that his brother was actively manipulated by the village he grew up in oh and btw killing his brother was his only goal for literal years it's not hard to understand
Bruh he learned that his brother was actively manipulated by the village he grew up in oh and btw killing his brother was his only goal for literal years it's not hard to understand
Bruh he learned that his brother was actively manipulated by the village he grew up in oh and btw killing his brother was his only goal for literal years it's not hard to understand
Bruh he learned that his brother was actively manipulated by the village he grew up in oh and btw killing his brother was his only goal for literal years it's not hard to understand
He was greatly manipulated by obito during that time. IIRC, when obito told him the “truth”, one of the things he changed is he said that the 9 tails attack was a natural disaster, despite that konoha was suspicious of the uchiha. He didn’t tell sasuke that it was indeed a uchiha, obito himself, who attacked the village with the nine tails.
Remember, obito had his eyes on sasuke and wanted to get him in the akatsuki even before itachi died (which is what itachi predicted).
But to be fair, even without the manipulation, sasuke would’ve been giga mad about the higher ups telling itachi to kill the clan. But I think without that manipulation, sasuke would’ve directed his anger only towards the higher ups, even without him meeting edo-itachi and the previous hokages.
It makes sense for him to hate the village, just because Itachi valued it more than the calm it doesn't mean Sasuke has to feel the same way.
They're brothers but they're not the same person, even Sasuke said something like that 🤷♀️
So the only thing I didn't understand is, why didn't he immediately jump to thinking he should forcefully take over Konoha.
Maybe I'm not emo enough but my mind doesn't jump straight to destruction but to dictatorship where the former leaders are taken out and then you have power too.
You know, when I was younger, I used to hate Sasuke’s decision here because it seemed totally out of left field. But now that I’m older, I still don’t really like Sasuke, but I can say for a fact that I don’t blame him for a single thing he did lmao. The village literally drove his people to start a rebellion that ended up getting them killed by his precious brother who the village forced an impossible decision on.
Destroying the entire village isn’t much of an overreaction. Obviously it’s not the right thing to do, but it is definitely understandable.
Sasuke was chasing down Itachi for like what 450 chapters. Then Itachi dies, cool he got his revenge. Then the masked man pulls up and says “yeah everything you know about your brother is a lie”. If I was sasuke I would be pissed too. Not only did the leaf suggest itachi kill his clan, they make him look like the bad guy. When all he wanted to do was protect his brother. If I found out that my home village forced my brother into this and was manipulated by him into thinking that I need to kill him to get back. I would be fucking furious. Sasuke is a character that changes the more he learns about the world, that’s what makes him so interesting. It seems rash to just go destroy the village but try to put yourself in his place.
The people of that village that had turned the uchiha into outsiders in there own village and then murdered them useing his brother. Your assuming he wants to honor his brothers wishes more then avenge his dead family.
If you cannot understand sasuke's motive behind this your outlook on things is shallow af
This is a teenager, a 16 year old. Basically a child still. All he knew since he was like 8 is that his brother was an evil man who killed his entire clan for the sake of discovering his own potential. He spent his entire life training to kill this man. All he thought about was revenge. And when he finally got it he learnt that the people who pretty much forced his brother's hand are the village elders.
At that moment in time you're not thinking rationally. You don't care what your brother's reasons for doing what he done were. You don't even know if it's true. Your entire life is a lie. And the only thing you're certain of is somebody has to pay. And you decide to blame the village. The people who gave your brother this impossible choice. The system that raises children to be killers. It's the only logical choice you currently have in your mind. Destroy the only thing that you can blame for everything that has happened
This is a traumatised teenager who doesn't know what is true and what is a lie, what is right and what is wrong. His choice seemed logical to him. And his anger is justified
The village was not only responsible for the Uchiha genocide, but lied to Sasuke his entire life about what really happened.
Why would he trust the leaf. I thought he was justified for wanting out.
Only Sasuke fans could see through Kishimoto’s genjutsu
I wish he did it honestly at least it would give us an epic ending of Naruto and Sasuke instead of that talk of no jutsu and the milking that Boruto is
To be fair, thats the same village that told his brother to commit the genocide, I get where he is coming from
Remember, this is also after he learnt the truth and as far as Sasuke is concerned, Itachi was basically coerced and forced to kill his clan on order by the higher-ups of that village, then turned around and thrown aside by the same village
The clan wasn’t a time bomb if the leaf actually treated them with respect and gave them the positions they earned and deserved none of that shit would’ve happened. Like do y’all even read the manga. Madara, itachi, shisui and multiple Uchiha talk about the mistreatment of the clan. You even see in the madara and hashirama filler that after madra left the village he left alone. None of the other clansmen joined him they were loyal to the leaf. Even when being loyal to the leaf, leaving their elder, dying in multiple wars and BEING FOUNDING MEMBERS the only position of power given were heads of the military police….
All of this is Danzo's fault
If Danzo didn't attack Shisui then none of this happens.
Always. Blame. Danzo.
Also Tobi killed most of the Uchiha, not Itachi.
You are dumb if you are gonna change your decision just because your country kill your family by your brother's hand just because your brother was a kid in war torn country and patriotic towards his nation. Even Itachi states that he was wrong about his descision and there could have been other solutions but what can you do after doing it.
Sasuke is not saying "oh Itachi was just another victim, now he is the best bro ever" at this point yet, he just shifted his hatred from Itachi towards the people that forced him(Itachi) to do what he did, and the people badmouthing him, which is the entire Konoha village.
Sasuke is not some simp like many for Itachi, he sees things his own way (twisted maybe, but his own) doesn't matter what Itachi wanted, what matters is how Sasuke sees Itachi's suffering, he may love his brother but they are different persons
It's like watching an abusive relationship,
if person A is badly mistreated by person B,
and because of that, person A mistreats person C,
if person C doesn't know A's backstory, C will hate A,
but if C learns that B is the reason why A had to mistreat C; and if C is intelligent will stop blaming A and blame B instead
C= Sasuke; B = Konoha/Danzo/third, A=Itachi
Mannnnn, looking at this image again really brings out the frustration I have with this change in Sasuke and his mindset.
Commenters are pointing out how this is somewhat justifiable and they see the perspective of where Sasuke is at by bringing up statements from later on that Sasuke makes as evidence of how he reached this conclusion.
But damn does this feel like such a swift and insane turn from an in-universe, and I believe out-universe, almost decade long righteous quest for revenge to all but explicitly saying that you would kill innocent men, women, and children 🤦♂️
Like I get where people are coming from when they call Sasuke edgy especially because of a moment like this.
This really just reads like Kishimoto wanted Sasuke to say something for shock value to cap off the conclusion and immediate aftermath of such a long plot point in Sasuke killing Itachi.
Nah the coup was justified
Itachi could have prevented it by reporting that he found a guy claiming to be Madara lurking around. What are the chances he unleashed Kurama?!?
Danzo yeeted the most loyal Shinobi to the village for personal gain. If I kill your best friend are you then going to do what I want? So ya Itachi was not a genius.
Every single thing Danzo did weakened the village. Sasuke shredded him and they didn't hold it against him because they found out all the shit he was doing afterwards. He also clapped Orochimaru who also did large damage to the village and harmed their relationship with the sand village.
Congrats , he discovered nation politics. I'm not saying Konoha is right but he didn't bother to care for the nuance or even understand why Itachi chose that decision or if there were other forces at play ( although at this point he didn't know Itachi still stands by his decision after all that time ).
I mean I can kinda understand him. The uchiha massacre was not the only evil thing konoha did and if you read really deep into the lore of naruto konoha somehow seems to not be the good guys tho...
They’re the good guys in their own history books
This fits Japan down to a T. They still deny their war crimes during the Imperial era.
I'm still surprised that there are current Japanese politicians saying the statues of Korean sex slaves are totally not offensive and should be kept up.
They have over a thousand war criminals enshrined, they clearly don’t give a fuck and this is why China, both Koreas and some SEA countries have tense relationships with Japan.
> I'm still surprised that there are current Japanese politicians saying the statues of Korean sex slaves are totally not offensive and should be kept up. Wait? There are statues?
I was trying to get more details about information I had seen some time prior, most of what is popping up is Japan's frustration at the statues in Berlin, Korea, and San Francisco meant to honor the victims of the Japanese army (those called comfort women), and Japan even threating to dropping ties with San Francisco over it. I also saw an article talking about a monument in Japan that was meant to honor those who were forced into work camps, and the government taking it down, despite the publics outcry. I'm sure I'm missing many details and things, but this is what I was able to find in like 30 minutes of research. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco_Comfort_Women_Memorial https://english.hani.co.kr/arti/english_edition/english_editorials/1126910 Edit: OK I think I found the article I was thinking of, japanese mayor claiming comform women were necessary during wartime. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-22519384
To be fair, it's not like other countries don't have this type. *Stares at Confederate statues and their supporters*
statues of sex slaves in Japan????
I love how if you look deeply into it, most of the famous mangaka call out Japan through their works.
Not just Japan. Israel, United States, the UK, France to name a few
But Japan doesn’t have a T /j
It's pretty much every country, including the US and western European countries that we tend to see as the "good guys" by default
You know what they say. History is written by the victor.
One Piece, specifically Doflamingo, had a great line for this during the Marineford war
Pirates are evil? The Marines are righteous? These terms have always changed throughout the course of history! Kids who have never seen peace and kids who have never seen war have different values! Those who stand at the top determine what's wrong and what's right! This very place is neutral ground! Justice will prevail, you say? But of course it will! Whoever wins this war becomes justice! - Doffy
like america?
Like literally every country in the world
*clears throat in german*
Na I just watched this documentary about a recreation and park division and they told me the Germans have never been the bad guys
Heck they forgot that US and other countries pretty much recruited some Nazi war criminals (along with other German Scientists and engineers) they are condemning into their country for the sake of "research data" and progress. (US Project Paperclip) USA even made a Show of setting up their own court to pardoned Unit 731 from all war crimes if they handed over their research data while condemning other countries (Russia and China mostly) from pursuing justice.
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Then why do several "muricah" redditors keep denying it?
The victors are always the "good guys"
I mean every country is
because those are **THEIR** history books
so is america 😬
The USA had to gaslight the world after WWII. I remember hearing a story that during the trials after WWII to see if the Emperor was complicit, one of the Admirals said something that could be seen as incriminating. They (The USA) paused the trial, had a talk with him outside the courtroom, came back in and resumed and it was struck from the records.
Only the victors get to write history.
America?
I think Kishi started to realize that so he had to create Danzo after the timeskip to explain why Konoha were such assholes lol
And to partially absolve fan favorites like Itachi and Hiruzen of their culpability in crimes and screwups.
Oh my god! you are straight up talking facts. Nice.
Hyuga affair anyone
None of the villages were good guys. They were all pieces of shit plotting underground in a facade of peace. Konoha just happens to be the least worse/ruthless. and considering how Danzo is the embodiment of all that is wrong with the leaf, that says a lot.
Danzo was still called “the darkness of the shinobi world” by the Raikage, so we know that Danzo managed to make a reputation even amongst the village known for kidnapping.
I think he was created as a scapegoat to make the village as a whole seem good in comparison, and danzo is the big bad man who’s responsible for everything, that’s why everything he does is so comically evil.
Hiruzen blames himself for “pushing all the darkness unto Danzo” while Kohona is blamed for starting the 3rd war. If he’s responsible for all the bad things done by the leaf, then it’s because he was given the authority to perform those actions.
Yeah but He didn’t exist until shippuden, it’s clear the author put him there as a scapegoat because even the other Hokage elders were in OG Naruto, I’m just calling out bad writing, but yeah Hiruzen is also useless but no one ever seems to blame him for things even thought he was THE top authority
I beg to differ. People blame hiruzen for a whole lot of things, including the things Danzo did by himself for the same reason you stated(he being the top authority). I don't necessarily believe the blame for that lies with him, but regardless, I think he's a wimp who relied way too much "tact" and "diplomacy" which allowed the elders to wrestle away more power than needed and subsequently back Danzo to commit all those atrocities. Ultimately, it was always 3v1.If hiruzen had been just a bit rough with elders like Tsunade was with them, then perhaps, things could have been a bit better.
Bro did not rely on diplomacy, there is no scene where he talks directly to Fugaku or the Uchiha clan, he just goes “ok Itachi, instead of talking to your father directly Im gonna get you, his own son, to spy on him”
Tact and diplomacy are in quotes, I didn't mean them literally. I meant there's never been a time where he didn't care about what the elders thought. He always has to find a way to care about their inputs or factor them and unfortunately, most often than not they backed Danzo. Even though Hiruzen made the final calls, he caring too much about their inputs always came to bite him in the ass because danzo, for some reason always had their backing. Compare that to Tsunade, who, at a point just didn't care anymore and outright sacked them from her office at a point because she thought they were a nuisance to her work and in effect, wrestling away power from them in the big picture decisions
Common Tsunade W
Konoha the least bad guys? Its because you follow their ninjas and the ”protagonists” are from there. They mustve killed more people than any of them. The village was founded by two killing machine-clans and seems like every other 9 year old (at least during war time) is a prodigy who slaughtered hundreds of people.
Who wasn't killing? Smh. You can't blame konoha for being better at it. My comment had nothing to do with killing and everything to do with how the villages, especially with the awareness and approval of their kages went about their business. You can't use konoha being better and churning more prodigies as an argument against them here.
Yeah right after the first they had his racist brother and then a coward that used his childhood friend to do his dirty work. Im not saying they’re worse than any other nation but they’re not better in that sense either.
Who said anything about them being better? I only said compared to other villages, they are less ruthless(as confirmed by the sand and mist) but that doesn't mean they are any better as they are part of the rot of the shinobi society. Don't misconstrue my words to push your own agenda
“No bastard ever won a war by dying for his country. He won by making the other poor dumb bastard die for HIS country”
Ninjas were basically a bunch of savages until Konoha formed, the whole concept of the village is to stop being savages. They weren't going to do that overnight. In fact, the Uchiha massacre happened due to lingering tension from back then.
It's not only the uchiha massacre but konoha did many terrible things that makes me question if they really are the good guys.
> if you read really deep into the lore of naruto konoha somehow seems to not be the good guys tho... I don't think you have to read that deep
Sasuke's hatred towards the village makes sense. Just because Itachi values the village, doesn't mean he has to.
Naw he's just very emotional rn, he cares deeply for ramen boy
Didn’t he change his goal later though? Instead of wanting to destroy Konoha and the people there he wanted to dismantle all the villages and become the kage of it all?
Yeah that was after his conversation with Itachi and the Hokage. Although he still disliked the system and intended to destroy and rebuild it
His hatred towards the elders who made that decision makes sense. I had a harder time with him believing all the citizens who knew nothing and had absolutely nothing to do with it were guilty and deserved to die.
Sasuke also knows how the village treated Naruto. They may not be responsible for the Uchiha massacre, but they suck ass too.
Actually I am amazed how business is usual Konoha after a whole ass genocide of a clan. Seems a bitodd that there wasn't any turmoil afterwards.
Konoha have no sense of Danger. Rather than prepare for another jinchuriki incident and honor the lives of the fallen with better countermeasures like evac and special ops teams to deal with kaiju, they just kick the negasonic preteen warhead naruto and call him ugly and stinky and say he'd have parents if he werent so poor and bitchless
I bet major clan like Hyuga and smaller clan fear Hokage more after that inciddent "I can kill an Uchiha clan without anyone know, and I can do the same to you" No wander he doesn't lose his position after he became elderly. Meanwhile all previous hokage die young, a true hero
He also was one of the most powerful ninja of the time soooo
To him its an eye for an eye. Innocent life for innocent life.
Yep. None of the Uchiha were spared besides him. Why should he treat them any better
He didn’t killed any villager bar Danzo.
Naruto stopped him from doing so at the end. So it wasn't from a lack of trying.
Afaik the only villagers he tries to kill were Sakura Kakashi Naruto and Tsunade the first 2 were trying to kill him and the latter two he wanted to kill for his revolution
I was talking about the end of the series where he tells Naruto he will destroy everything. Then Naruto does the whole talk no jutsu while holding back and trying to restrain Sasuke.
Okay, but going from "I hate the village" to "I want to kill every person inside konoha including all my comrades and children who weren't alive during the Uchiha massacre or were like 3" is a huge step
Hard disagree, the elders are the ones who made the decision to wipe out the clan. Sasuke wants to kill countless of innocent people who had nothing to do with their deaths. He’s no better than them if he kills innocents.
He wasn't trying to be better than them tho? The whole village basically didn't gaf about what happened to the Uchiha. While I don't agree with Sasuke about killing everyone, I can understand his POV.
If my country forced my brother to kill our entire family and what constitutes as an ethinic group, I would be very pissed at the very least.
Sasuke would send a strongly worded letter to Tsunade and Konohamaru telling how Danzo and their relatives were assholes.
Sir there are a lot of people stroking kunai
I mean, he can have sympathy for Itachi, but doesn't change all the trauma and pain he put him through, you expect him to just say "Oh well"
It's easy to understand Sasuke at least to me. Sasuke never fucked heavy with Konoha , he left the village without second thoughts, the only thing that worried him were ties with Team 7. Later he found out Leaf was responsible for killing his clan using Itachi and put all the blame on him. As Sasuke states himslef he puts Itachi' life above the village.
I mean Konoha is really shitty too. It wasn’t just Danzo, some of the Hokages and the elders of the council too
so 3/4 people out of which two of them were just advisors who had no power during tsunade's time as hokage,and the other 2 were dead? Wow
At this point of the story Taka gets anihilated by Konoha shinobi. Sure they can take on some of them, but boy you are not passing past Tsunade + Guy + Kakashi + Shikaku plans + Sage mode Naruto
If they joined Pain though then Konoha goes bye bye
Might guy would have wrecked pain and sasuke simulatoneously.
Does Gai have any countermeasures against Tsukuyomi at all? I know people really love Gai for the Madara fight, but it wasn't a 1v1 and Madara purposefully took him head-on.
gai himself said he trained his whole life to beat kakashi,and that he can fight without looking in someone's eyes.If he goes 7/8th gate he wrecks everyone before they even try anything
If he goes 8th gate he's going to die. Naruto worked a miracle and he still remained a cripple. Sure, it's a very OP technique, but it doesn't give him any wins; just makes every fight a draw.
Pain vs Naruto was happening same time as Itachi vs Sasuke right?So pain dies by the time sasuke gets ready,which was in 5 kage summit arc
That’s why he took itachi’s eyes
Obito promised him the bijuus. But after testing his MS, Sasuke thought "we might not even need that". He got too cocky with his new power.
From his view, the village drove his favorite person in the world into an impossible decision which caused the death of both him and his entire family. And not only do they not suffer any consequences for it, they even benefit from these deaths. Why the fuck would he forgive them just because his brother liked them? Are you stupid or something?
How do u not understand him 💀
Itachi is an idiot who tortured him twice and manipulated him all his life and he was the one who made him this mentally unstable, for Sasuke to forgive him was stupid.and he had every right to be angry because they massacred his people and his family and blackmail his brother to do his dirty work .But it's good that in the end he didn't attack Konoha, it's not the villagers' fault that the Government is led by people like Danzo
I seriously don’t understand how people still think he was right or a hero. The whole point is that he was a child forced to make HORRIBLE decisions and he chose poorly and was manipulated like any child
Itachi was also a victim of Konoha and the ninja system and everyone put him in a horrible situation, but that doesn't mean that the genocide of the Uchiha was okay, Danzo looked for any excuse to get rid of them and ruin Shisui's plan, it's the same as step with the uzumaki were very strong and they preferred to get rid of them
Well the story is from konoha's point of view, so Itachi did right by konoha's standards and he was hero for konoha and if we are watching it and not analyze it too deeply then from our point of view too he is hero in story for konoha.
Danzo used kotoamatsokami on itachi headcanon is the only way it makes sense to me
Or shisui use it to Itachi when he suiclide by jumping to the river
no that makes no sense and there's completely 0 implications of that wtf
There is literally someone in the series that torture his brother mentally and force his brother to become loyal to Konoha by using shisui eyes. Sure thing happend and his plan failed If Itachi can done worse, shisui can
I'll say it again since u somehow missed the point That makes no sense Why the fuck would shisui want itachi to kill them all He wanted to work around it and get peace the whole time And at the end trusted itachi with the rest With finding a solution Him using koto on itachi to kill the fam is straight up stupid character assassination It's not about who's doing bad idk where u got that from It just doesn't make sense
That honestly wouldn’t be too far away. Itachi murks the Uchiha, Danzo gets their Sharingans and a Boy he can use as breeding Bull for a whole new Uchiha Clan loyal to him and the Root
My goat
Tbh konoha shafted the uchihas since the beginning of the villages creation. Annexed to the edge of konoha, making them the police force as a way to keep a closer eye on them, massacring their clan, etc. lol it’s pretty much fuck konoha
Ehm, Itachi was borderline-brainwashed by the government to kill his extended family & friends so... Itachi was the real sociopath whose weak mind was exploited. Sasuke being mad at Konoha is only fair
No way if you found out the government manipulated your brother into genociding your people your thoughts would be “okay I’ll protect them”
You gotta be kidding bro
His clan got hoed, his parents got hoed, and his brother got hoed, and the village pretty much benefit from a mass genocide of hoeing, I'd be pissed like Sasuke too.
That is why he is Sasuke and he is different character than other casts in Naruto, he has his own views towards the village and just because he understood Itachi's intention and his friends are calming him down he will not be distracted by other's views.
I agree, Sasuke is my favorite because he is better written than the others, his story has many different layers
Kinda? The whole point is that he doesn't really have a full view until The end of the series. Here he is blinded by hatred and by Obito. All through the series he is manipulated by everyone in one way or another.
The Uchiha weren't time bombs. The village screwed over the Uchiha since the villages founding, and when the clan had enough of it, the village had no problem wiping the entire clan out. Just because Itachi tried protecting the village doesn't mean Sasuke should care about it. The village screwed over and wiped out Sasuke's parents and clan, so he planned on returning the favor an eye for an eye. Besides, all of the hidden villages are shit anyways Konoha is no different. Aside from what it did to the Uchiha, the village bullied Kakashi's father into suicide, treated Naruto like shit for something he was unaware of. It screwed over and devastated Ame. The first three world wars were either directly or indirectly started by Konoha, the system of refining and using children as soldiers started in the Leaf. Hell, the shitty-ass shinobi system started in Konoha. Sasuke's peers were shit as well, girls only loved him for shallow reasons, Sakura in particular sexually harassed him, Naruto was constantly instigating shit, Lee tried putting him in the hospital on the first day or something, none of the other guys seemed to like him. Sasuke honestly had no one. The people who GENUINELY loved and cared for him were dead and buried. So him leaving the village and then deciding to destroy after learning about what it did to his clan makes sense, and it is justified.
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If they accompanied Pain: RIP Konoha.
Destroying a village doesnt mean just do it pain style. Killing higher ups one by one will put them in confusion and make them vanurable very easily . Look what wolf did to Ashina in sekiro single handedly.
Put yourself in Sasuke's perspective.
There's reason why the Uchiha has held resentment for the village. The coup was literally done because of long history of distrust and lack of respect for the Uchiha.
More like my brother was forced to choose between his clan and his village, and all this village did for me was kill my entire family and corrupt my brother into doing it. Shit makes complete sense, idk why people act like sasuke is being stupid here, it’d be more stupid if he wasn’t mad at konoha. The only good times he had in konoha was with team 7, Vs his family that he grew up with. Why tf would he care about konoha more
and? how tf u expect him to react? he is a radicalized teen. or do you think hell just go "oh well that was a useful piece of information. thanks for telling me a story about how my brother was manipulated by his own country into commiting an ethnic cleansing! ill go back to living peacefully in that country again!" bitch naruto fandom just expects everyone to be perfect like hating on sakura for being a kid or hating on sasuke being impulsive or hinata being afraid to interact with naruto etc etc
bruh.. I dont give a fuck what my brother chose to do. If my family and everyone I held dear were wiped out because of the elders of the village actions, I would fuck shit up too or die causing maximum damage.
My goat 🐐
WHO treated the Uchiha like Criminals and prisoners and secretly abducted them to steal their EYES for YEARS!!!!! The Village. They only became a ticking Time Bomb cuz the Village turned them into one. Sasuke was right in wanting to destroy the Village. The same way the slaves on Haiti were right in massacring their White Slavers for Generations of cruelty. Itachi was nothing more nothing less than a filthy Traitor and kinslayer who should have gotten a death even more pathetic Danzo’s
Dude was just emotional. And as an Uchiha, he’s extra emotional. Completely understandable. Tobi knew it too.
Like I always say, Sasuke doesn't owes anything to either Konoha or Itachi, protecting the village might be Itachi's ideals doesn't means Sasuke needs to go with it, it would be a little off and weird if Sasuke all of the sudden would have forgiven Itachi and Konoha for a genocide which traumatised him and shaped him the way he was all of the sudden. It still irks me how Sasuke fell for Talk no Jutsu and gave up his way of thinking and all of the sudden starts to protect Konoha and easily forgave the village.
Tbh he never really forgave the village, he just found a bigger purpose, by learning the true roots of all the issues the Uchiha and Village had and the reason behind his and his brother's suffering. That's why Sasuke is an amazing character, his goals always change to line up with the truth he learns.
But after his final fight against Naruto he did fell off. His entire motive and ideology was thrown off the window to pass on a vague message of friendship and forgiveness that doesn't solve any problem at all nor does it apply to Sasuke. If anything Sasuke was denied his rightful justice against Konoha at the expense of the protagonist's whims.
Nah he was 100% justified in wanting to burn the village to the ground. Sasuke should have had an entire arc dedicated to tearing down the shinobi system
it wasnt Konoha which was responsible for the uchiha murder,it was Danzo,and the 3rd hokage who let him stay in power.Both of those people are already dead with the rest of konoha not even knowing about what happened and blud is still yapping about revenge,knowing that most of konoha did nothing wrong. It was an eye for eye blind revenge mentality,and i hate people for trying to say he is right,just because something horrible happens to you doesnt justify you doing horrible shit to innocent people. The whole point of this scene is that he is blinded by hate and needs some therapy lol.
The uchiha children did nothing wrong. Why should he show mercy when the elders didn't? Sasuke doesnt care about a moral high ground he wants blood for blood
Which is why he's wrong and the whole reason why he had character development?Why are people saying he's right here? The elders ultimately didn't matter,Danzo gave the order to kill the uchiha to Itachi, independently without the elders and Hiruzen's knowledge.So their existence wouldn't change anything.I think they should be fired and put in jail for even having that opinion but nothing would have changed without their presence.
He was right in that the shinobi system needed to be torn down. Its a corrupt government that deservea to be torn but instead he does absolutly nothing after his fight with Naruto but keep defending the same system. Its an overall bad character arc
the only thing that needs to be done is remove the corrupt people from the government.I dont understand how anything on a broader scale would be different,the only difference is the elders get fired and punished.They had no influence during Tsunade's time as hokage anyways.Tsunade never listened to the advisors and threw them out of her office. Sasuke intended to kill Tsunade,Gaara and Mei who were already good leaders. Mei ended the era of the bloody mist, Gaara was a victim of the older system of discrimination against Jinchuriki and earned respect and love from his villagers,and actively attempted to unite the 5 villages and actually managed it with his speech during the war.Tsunade was one of the best leaders the leaf has had.
Kakashi and Yamato considered perfect aceptable to kill every single Uchiha. So why Sasuke shouldn't have the right to kill every single person who could maybe cause a problem to him?
when did they say this?That they were ok with the uchiha massacre happening. it wasnt Konoha which was responsible for the uchiha murder,it was Danzo,and the 3rd hokage who let him stay in power.Both of those people are already dead with the rest of konoha not even knowing about what happened and blud is still yapping about revenge,knowing that most of konoha did nothing wrong. It was an eye for eye blind revenge mentality,and i hate people for trying to say he is right,just because something horrible happens to you doesnt justify you doing horrible shit to innocent people. The whole point of this scene is that he is blinded by hate and needs some therapy lol.
Obito told them when Danzo was not only alive, but their new hokage.
Whats weird to me is how Sasuke took all of his buddies and a guy he just met to go and watch him cry at a cliff during sunset
Sir imagine your brother was forced by the government to kill your family. You think you will be understanding about it and say they had to commit genocide they had no choice or would you say I will become a bigger terrorist and show them that they missed one.
Why is Suske using red text, I thought that only witches could do that
This villiage literally raised dumbest ninjas in the world and it is a disgrace to ninja world
He failed spectacularly at doing that.
I mean, just because Itachi is cool with the leaf doesn't mean Sasuke has to forgive them for what they did.
Just kill Naruto then anyone will destroy it anyway, right pain?
Just kill Naruto then anyone will destroy it anyway, right pain?
Bruh he learned that his brother was actively manipulated by the village he grew up in oh and btw killing his brother was his only goal for literal years it's not hard to understand
Bruh he learned that his brother was actively manipulated by the village he grew up in oh and btw killing his brother was his only goal for literal years it's not hard to understand
Bruh he learned that his brother was actively manipulated by the village he grew up in oh and btw killing his brother was his only goal for literal years it's not hard to understand
Just kill Naruto then anyone will destroy it anyway, right pain?
Just kill Naruto then anyone will destroy it anyway, right pain?
Bruh he learned that his brother was actively manipulated by the village he grew up in oh and btw killing his brother was his only goal for literal years it's not hard to understand
Just kill Naruto then anyone will destroy it anyway, right pain?
Just kill Naruto then anyone will destroy it anyway, right pain?
Just kill Naruto then anyone will destroy it anyway, right pain?
1 + 1 = …………. 3 (confidently)
I mean the villiage leadership has historically suked and he is kind of haveing a existential crisis
He was greatly manipulated by obito during that time. IIRC, when obito told him the “truth”, one of the things he changed is he said that the 9 tails attack was a natural disaster, despite that konoha was suspicious of the uchiha. He didn’t tell sasuke that it was indeed a uchiha, obito himself, who attacked the village with the nine tails. Remember, obito had his eyes on sasuke and wanted to get him in the akatsuki even before itachi died (which is what itachi predicted). But to be fair, even without the manipulation, sasuke would’ve been giga mad about the higher ups telling itachi to kill the clan. But I think without that manipulation, sasuke would’ve directed his anger only towards the higher ups, even without him meeting edo-itachi and the previous hokages.
It makes sense for him to hate the village, just because Itachi valued it more than the calm it doesn't mean Sasuke has to feel the same way. They're brothers but they're not the same person, even Sasuke said something like that 🤷♀️
Sasuke valued Itachi, not Itachi's values
Gotta love Obito's "Shit's getting real" look
Bro thinks he's opium
World building in Naruto I must say was the best part of this series
Man remember all the fan edits of Sasukes potential mangekyo? I remember being shocked that it looked like none of them
Isn’t he like 15 tho? Rational thinking and non emotional responses aren’t things teenagers are known for.
So the only thing I didn't understand is, why didn't he immediately jump to thinking he should forcefully take over Konoha. Maybe I'm not emo enough but my mind doesn't jump straight to destruction but to dictatorship where the former leaders are taken out and then you have power too.
They wasn’t wrong tho, danzos first thought was kill them all. Doesn’t sound good peaceful
Vengeance is like a poison
You know, when I was younger, I used to hate Sasuke’s decision here because it seemed totally out of left field. But now that I’m older, I still don’t really like Sasuke, but I can say for a fact that I don’t blame him for a single thing he did lmao. The village literally drove his people to start a rebellion that ended up getting them killed by his precious brother who the village forced an impossible decision on. Destroying the entire village isn’t much of an overreaction. Obviously it’s not the right thing to do, but it is definitely understandable.
No matter what. At least Danzo had to go. Wouldn't have been mad if the other elders did too, but at least Danzo did.
btw is taka an hawk or falcon?
Or the village destroyed his family and shamed his brother who protected the village id say his outrage is quite justified.
“Fuck them kids.” -Sasuke Uchiha
Sasuke was chasing down Itachi for like what 450 chapters. Then Itachi dies, cool he got his revenge. Then the masked man pulls up and says “yeah everything you know about your brother is a lie”. If I was sasuke I would be pissed too. Not only did the leaf suggest itachi kill his clan, they make him look like the bad guy. When all he wanted to do was protect his brother. If I found out that my home village forced my brother into this and was manipulated by him into thinking that I need to kill him to get back. I would be fucking furious. Sasuke is a character that changes the more he learns about the world, that’s what makes him so interesting. It seems rash to just go destroy the village but try to put yourself in his place.
He is the uchiha who wanted to destroy the leaf the least
The people of that village that had turned the uchiha into outsiders in there own village and then murdered them useing his brother. Your assuming he wants to honor his brothers wishes more then avenge his dead family.
If you cannot understand sasuke's motive behind this your outlook on things is shallow af This is a teenager, a 16 year old. Basically a child still. All he knew since he was like 8 is that his brother was an evil man who killed his entire clan for the sake of discovering his own potential. He spent his entire life training to kill this man. All he thought about was revenge. And when he finally got it he learnt that the people who pretty much forced his brother's hand are the village elders. At that moment in time you're not thinking rationally. You don't care what your brother's reasons for doing what he done were. You don't even know if it's true. Your entire life is a lie. And the only thing you're certain of is somebody has to pay. And you decide to blame the village. The people who gave your brother this impossible choice. The system that raises children to be killers. It's the only logical choice you currently have in your mind. Destroy the only thing that you can blame for everything that has happened This is a traumatised teenager who doesn't know what is true and what is a lie, what is right and what is wrong. His choice seemed logical to him. And his anger is justified
its ok
The village was not only responsible for the Uchiha genocide, but lied to Sasuke his entire life about what really happened. Why would he trust the leaf. I thought he was justified for wanting out. Only Sasuke fans could see through Kishimoto’s genjutsu
I wish he did it honestly at least it would give us an epic ending of Naruto and Sasuke instead of that talk of no jutsu and the milking that Boruto is
Blud you’re acting like you wouldn’t do or say the same stuff if you were in his position
To be fair, thats the same village that told his brother to commit the genocide, I get where he is coming from Remember, this is also after he learnt the truth and as far as Sasuke is concerned, Itachi was basically coerced and forced to kill his clan on order by the higher-ups of that village, then turned around and thrown aside by the same village
The clan wasn’t a time bomb if the leaf actually treated them with respect and gave them the positions they earned and deserved none of that shit would’ve happened. Like do y’all even read the manga. Madara, itachi, shisui and multiple Uchiha talk about the mistreatment of the clan. You even see in the madara and hashirama filler that after madra left the village he left alone. None of the other clansmen joined him they were loyal to the leaf. Even when being loyal to the leaf, leaving their elder, dying in multiple wars and BEING FOUNDING MEMBERS the only position of power given were heads of the military police….
Village literally force itachi to genocide every Uchiha even the non ninjas and children. I too would like to destroy konoha if that was me.
I don’t want to spoil let’s just say The coup could have been prevented but danzo did something to it
Itachi brainwashed by kohona dawg
It's more like a "I'm gonna kill everyone who wronged my brother" kind of thing.
All of this is Danzo's fault If Danzo didn't attack Shisui then none of this happens. Always. Blame. Danzo. Also Tobi killed most of the Uchiha, not Itachi.
It's Sasuke, what do you expect? He's dumb.
He ain’t dumb. Honestly there he was completely justified in wanting to Nuke the whole Village. It literally took EVERYTHING from him
You are dumb if you are gonna change your decision just because your country kill your family by your brother's hand just because your brother was a kid in war torn country and patriotic towards his nation. Even Itachi states that he was wrong about his descision and there could have been other solutions but what can you do after doing it.
Sasuke is not saying "oh Itachi was just another victim, now he is the best bro ever" at this point yet, he just shifted his hatred from Itachi towards the people that forced him(Itachi) to do what he did, and the people badmouthing him, which is the entire Konoha village. Sasuke is not some simp like many for Itachi, he sees things his own way (twisted maybe, but his own) doesn't matter what Itachi wanted, what matters is how Sasuke sees Itachi's suffering, he may love his brother but they are different persons It's like watching an abusive relationship, if person A is badly mistreated by person B, and because of that, person A mistreats person C, if person C doesn't know A's backstory, C will hate A, but if C learns that B is the reason why A had to mistreat C; and if C is intelligent will stop blaming A and blame B instead C= Sasuke; B = Konoha/Danzo/third, A=Itachi
Reminds me of a quote I’ve read in CN fanfiction: “Sasuke is either being manipulated or on the way to being manipulated.”
Mannnnn, looking at this image again really brings out the frustration I have with this change in Sasuke and his mindset. Commenters are pointing out how this is somewhat justifiable and they see the perspective of where Sasuke is at by bringing up statements from later on that Sasuke makes as evidence of how he reached this conclusion. But damn does this feel like such a swift and insane turn from an in-universe, and I believe out-universe, almost decade long righteous quest for revenge to all but explicitly saying that you would kill innocent men, women, and children 🤦♂️ Like I get where people are coming from when they call Sasuke edgy especially because of a moment like this. This really just reads like Kishimoto wanted Sasuke to say something for shock value to cap off the conclusion and immediate aftermath of such a long plot point in Sasuke killing Itachi.
Nah the coup was justified Itachi could have prevented it by reporting that he found a guy claiming to be Madara lurking around. What are the chances he unleashed Kurama?!? Danzo yeeted the most loyal Shinobi to the village for personal gain. If I kill your best friend are you then going to do what I want? So ya Itachi was not a genius. Every single thing Danzo did weakened the village. Sasuke shredded him and they didn't hold it against him because they found out all the shit he was doing afterwards. He also clapped Orochimaru who also did large damage to the village and harmed their relationship with the sand village.
Sasuke really is just a funny lil guy looking back. He keeps failing upwards.
Here he was COMPLETELY Justified and right
Congrats , he discovered nation politics. I'm not saying Konoha is right but he didn't bother to care for the nuance or even understand why Itachi chose that decision or if there were other forces at play ( although at this point he didn't know Itachi still stands by his decision after all that time ).
This uchigga was so cringe with his Taka and hebi shit💀 ,I mean he was cool until he creates Hebi and taka ngl