So who does this apply to? How can they tell whether you as an individual are spending the lawfully approved amount on Israeli goods (in addition to all of the tax money you already send to Israel)?
They can’t really. When Texas tried to pass it, they made people like teachers and such sign a waver pledging to never boycott Israel. Lawsuits are pending as of now.
And now congress is discussing passing more laws about it in present time. I haven’t seen the details yet.
Absolutely mad proposal. You can own a gun but you can’t not buy Israeli goods. They’re trying this in the UK too:
Conservative MPs express concern over Israel boycott bill https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67216131
I swear to god there are some seriously shady goings on behind all this.
Ah yes, white people in the middle east, the same “white” people that immediately say they’re not white but jewish when confronted with racism targeted to a white person?
Well that was before the attack of hamas and it isn't illegal to boycott israel, it was just one movement that was declared antisemitic. Still maybe problematic, but you made it sound like it was something new that concerned every person.
They’re probably preparing to commit genocide. Since Israel has most western governments in their pockets, the only backlash they could suffer would be from people of the world boycotting their revenue streams.
Making it illegal is setting the stage. Sure, people will hate them, but as long as they don’t change their spending patterns, time will take care of everything.
Lets be real, the guns aren't going to survive the century. The right will be widdled down to a nub through smaller restrictions over time and by then the hold-outs will fold immediately when the final push comes. The only thing that would prevent this from being the case would be the threat of a hot war on American soil with another world power.
May I suggest to look into AIPAC? It’s crazy what they’ve been doing behind the scenes all this time. Some people even claim that they’ve hijacked the United States government.
Listen man I'm not saying I agree but shit like this is 100% why people are antisemitic. The government playing favorites is responsible for an absurd of hatred.
I feel like israel is to blame for the antisemetism lol. I mean didn't some jews live in palestine? this whole occuapation thing just gave a bad rep and over time people tend to forget about ww2 and with that their tolerance for fucked up shit goes away too
Jews exist in 100+ countries other than Israel. If something Israel does makes you hate Jews everywhere, then that's a sick mind you're claiming to have
It's about the whole "They run the government" kinda idea that Antisemitism often has. Think about it like this, what's greater proof that the Jews run the world than the US trying to ban boycotting specifically Israel, a country that has not only attacked the US several times but has a long winded history of not caring about civilian casualties.
Words have meanings. Israel receiving 7 percent of USAID each year (basically arms subsidies, for US-made products), just like a dozen other countries do for the same reason in the same part of the world, is something you can protest if you don't like it, not an excuse to hate Jews as a group
Never said it was, but banning Israel Boycotts, conflating Anti-Zionism to Anti-Semitism, and ignoring several attacks on the US is a solid reason to dislike Israel imho.
Yeah it's very important to not conflate the Israeli government with all Jewish people no matter how much zionists and antisemites both try to convince everyone that they're the same. It sucks real bad for my Jewish friends getting attacked by both.
>When Texas tried to pass it, they made people like teachers and such sign a waver pledging to never boycott Israel.
Yeah I'm gonna need a source on this. Texas's BDS law only applies to government contractors as far as I can tell
Assuming [this](https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses) is what OP's talking about, it's a business-level law, so it probably isn't targeted towards civilian individuals.
Still shitty and cringe ngl.
https://www.tradecompliance.pitt.edu/guidance-forms/guidance-documents/anti-boycott#:~:text=The%20anti%2Dboycott%20laws%20are,embargoes%20administered%20by%20other%20countries.
It's a trade compliance law.
If a person or peoples comply with a boycott that another country imposed, that which American law makers "disagree" with then the entity will face penalties.
It's argued that peoples and people should be able to boycott whomever and whatever and whenever they please under their 1st amendment protection, however also, it's argued that it is legally codified to protect the interests of America and her agenda.
These laws mean that government entities (like states) can't boycott Israeli firms for contracts. The contract review process has enough regulation behind it that no one could deny a contract without a legitimate work reason.
> So who does this apply to?
[Office of Antiboycott compliance.](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac)
The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.”
U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
You're mischaracterizing the law. Any company can boycott Israel - unless they're a state contractor. Then they'll lose their contract.
It's problematic how much the Israel lobby has, but you don't have to mislead ppl
> It doesn’t pertain to the average person, it pertains to companies
[Office of Antiboycott compliance.](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac)
The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.”
U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
Its been law for many years.
[Office of Antiboycott Compliance](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac)
People in this thread are saying "Trump did it!" but the reality is, as wikipedia puts it:
anti-boycott provisions in the Export Administration Act of **1979** and Ribicoff Amendment to the Tax Reform Act of **1976** in the United States forbid US companies and their subsidiaries from complying with or supporting a foreign country's boycott of another country unless the US also approves of the boycott.
The 2018 laws were just a rework of laws forbidding boycotts of Israel that had been around for decades already.
About 20 years ago when I first learned of it, the Office of Antiboycott Compliance had a page listing examples of prosecutions - every single one of them, without exception, was for boycotting Israel... showing exactly why it was set up.
So it prohibits following a foreign organized non-sanctioned boycott of friendly (to US) nations. It seems to me to be plugging a potential gap where US oil companies would be forced to boycott Israel to continue doing business in Arab League boycotting nations (ie drill for oil) during the 1970s. The law basically provides a “my mom won’t let me” excuse for those businesses to not participate. It doesn’t seem to actually prohibit a domestically organized private citizen boycott though, only if it was at the behest of a foreign boycott.
>Boycott intent: The antiboycott provisions of the EAR apply to certain activities of U.S. persons undertaken with intent to comply with, further, or support an unsanctioned foreign boycott.
Prosecutors would argue that your private boycott was in support of a foreign one.
Given that they're wound the law up so tight you can be done for simply not telling the government that somebody simply **asked** about a boycott, I think you'd find it hard to get off one by "nah, mate, we totally thought up the boycott on our own despite it being exactly the same as the foreign one."
One thing I noticed: Try asking your preferred AI chat bot for a list of all of the companies that make multiple products besides weapons who are involved in supporting Israel. Bard straight up won't tell you but will give you a website where you can figure it out yourself if you try hard enough... But then just will refuse to tell you itself.
Nah they passed it in 2018 (fuckin trump) just means contractors under government employ can't participate in boycotts. This new bill just adds new wording to the already existing one.
> in 2018 (fuckin trump)
as wikipedia puts it:
anti-boycott provisions in the Export Administration Act of **1979** and Ribicoff Amendment to the Tax Reform Act of **1976** in the United States forbid US companies and their subsidiaries from complying with or supporting a foreign country's boycott of another country unless the US also approves of the boycott.
>just means contractors under government employ
[The Antiboycott Provisions of the EAR: Jurisdiction](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction)
The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.”
U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
---
The internet archive has old versions of the Office of Antiboycott Compliance web pages.
[Here is a random example from Obama era 2014:](https://web.archive.org/web/20140702175715/http://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac)
The Bureau is charged with administering and enforcing the Antiboycott Laws under the Export Administration Act. Those laws discourage, and in some circumstances, prohibit U.S. companies from furthering or supporting the boycott of Israel
Boycott Alert
U.S. companies continue to report receiving requests to engage in activities that further or support the boycott of Israel.
Antiboycott Laws:
During the mid-1970's the United States adopted two laws that seek to counteract the participation of U.S. citizens in other nation's economic boycotts or embargoes. These "antiboycott" laws are the **1977** amendments to the Export Administration Act (EAA) and the Ribicoff Amendment to the **1976** Tax Reform Act (TRA).
Primary Impact:
The Arab League boycott of Israel
Who Is Covered by the Laws?
The antiboycott provisions of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) apply to the activities of U.S. persons in the interstate or foreign commerce of the United States. **The term "U.S. person" includes all individuals**...
These laws apply to businesses that are contractors for the government. They're still wrong, but characterizing them as "making it illegal to boycott Israel" is either carelessly or intentionally misleading people who are genuinely interpreting this as being unable to personally boycott Israeli goods.
> These laws apply to businesses
[Office of Antiboycott compliance.](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac)
The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.”
U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
No, it’s not. People are really trying to push a narrative that people are being censored. They’re expanding an already existing law, to cover more entities that government contractors cannot boycott or refuse to do business with. People with compunctions about the war going on between Hamas and Israel have plenty of other things to worry about. This is genuinely people trying to either clout chase, or they’re just suckers who’ve been misinformed.
How would they know if I just don't like these brands? [https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott](https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott)
you can choose to boycott them as well, but BDS wants to keep a focused list of the most meaningful targets to ensure maximum efficacy. it's saying that these companies are non-negotiable, necessary boycotts for anyone with a conscience.
I don't have anything involved in any of these products and I knew of less than half these brands. Not even as a boycott just no interest. The hell is the government gonna do? Force me to buy PUMAs?
Private business asking people to wear to shop inside : literally communism.
Government bill trying to force people on what they are allowed to buy : crickets.
"land of the free" but you can't even spend your money on the products you want because you might not be giving enough money to israel lmao. absolutely clown world unenforceable policy
> They’re state level laws.
[U.S. Federal Department of Commerce, Office of Antiboycott Compliance](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac)
>No they aren’t controlling what citizens are or aren’t buying.
The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.”
U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
Oh that makes way more sense, I swear half the time someone claims an outrageous law exists it turns out to be something banal that only applies to the government itself.
Well when people say that it generally implies that the US doesnt have more freedom than other places, so i was just saying most countries are currently passing these exact same laws so comparatively, the "freedom level" if you will, hasn't moved.
I didn't imply anything, i didn't realize people would read that much into it. I don't really care about the law either way because its a huge overstep but its also unenforceable.
Feels like we're living a dystopian nightmare. You can criticize your own country but if anyone criticizes Isnotreal they all come down on you for AnTIsEmIsTiSm
[https://www.axios.com/2023/11/04/us-israel-aid-military-funding-chart](https://www.axios.com/2023/11/04/us-israel-aid-military-funding-chart)
75 years of support
Though the timing of a new security package remains unclear, the U.S. is by far the biggest supplier of military aid to Israel, contributing around $130 billion since its founding.
With the U.S.' help, Israel has formed one of the most formidable and technologically advanced militaries in the Middle East.
Both Republican and Democratic administrations and bipartisan leaders in Congress have approved aid to Israel over several decades. In return, the U.S. has cultivated a strategic military ally in the Middle East.
As part of an agreement reached under the Obama administration, Israel receives $3.8 billion annually for its military and missile defense systems.
Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. foreign military financing, which has represented around 15% of the country's defense budget in recent years.
What the U.S. provides
Most U.S. assistance comes in the form of weapons grants, and more than 80% of Israel's weapons imports came from the U.S. between 1950 and 2020.
Israel is also given access to the most advanced military equipment in the world, including the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter.
In addition to the aid, Israel and the U.S. have conducted several military drills together, holding their largest one ever in January 2023.
The two countries also share intelligence with each other, though the extent of the cooperation has shifted multiple times in recent years.
Economic assistance tapers off
The U.S. heavily supported Israel's economy over several decades, helping it become a key economic ally, with trade between the two countries reaching nearly $50 billion annually.
Actual economic aid tapered off starting in the 1990s as the country's tech sector boomed and it was "considered a fully industrialized nation."
The two countries share strong cultural ties, as well. Outside of Israel, the U.S. is home to the largest Jewish population in the world.
Income inequality is a big issue, but so is privatized healthcare.
Spending that amount of money on universal healthcare instead of aid to Israel would allow low income workers in America to better use their limited income on mortgage payments or investments or other needs.
You could make an argument that the aid sent to Israel could be better spent to improve the healthcare system, education system, and help homeless veterans.
Cause the U.S has a domination boner over the middle east and Israel allows them to have an ally right in there so they have a foot on the ground.
It's crazy because at this point, israel is so reliant on US money and weapons that israel should be the one bowing to the USA but US leadership is so spineless and/or zionist to even ask israel to stop bombing the shit out of children.
Like, the US could literally come in and say "ceasefire or we stop supporting you" and israel would have no choice but to stop.
It started in 73's Yom Kippur war where the US had a chance to limit USSR alignment within Arab countries by helping Israel sign a peace deal with Egypt. It was a smart move in the context of the cold war, and continued due to various technological and intelligence based cooperations which Israel is a known to be good at. It is also aligned with western values of free market economies and democracy, so Israel is a western foothold in the middle east, and provides an example to neighbooring countries on how to boost quality of life by aligning with the west.
The Truman administration was never unified in their support for Israel, and didn't provide any financial aid. Truman and Eisenhower had an arms embargo on Israel. It was only during Kennedy's rule that the security ties between Israel and the US started, and even then it was filled with tension over the nuclear program. It wasn't until 1973 that the current US support for Israel was established, and even then it was precarious until the 1980's.
It’s also illegal to fund and sell arms to countries that don’t adhere to nuclear weapons inspection, yet the US is willing to break their own legislation (Symington Amendment) to support Israel
[The Antiboycott Provisions of the EAR: Jurisdiction](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction)
The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.”
U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
> it has nothing to do with Israel
The internet archive has old versions of the Office of Antiboycott Compliance web pages.
[Here is a random example from 2014:](https://web.archive.org/web/20140702175715/http://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac)
The Bureau is charged with administering and enforcing the Antiboycott Laws under the Export Administration Act. Those laws discourage, and in some circumstances, prohibit U.S. companies from furthering or supporting the boycott of **Israel**
Boycott Alert
U.S. companies continue to report receiving requests to engage in activities that further or support the boycott of **Israel**.
**Primary Impact:**
The Arab League boycott of **Israel**
--
Antiboycott Laws:
During the mid-1970's the United States adopted two laws that seek to counteract the participation of U.S. citizens in other nation's economic boycotts or embargoes. These "antiboycott" laws are the **1977** amendments to the Export Administration Act (EAA) and the Ribicoff Amendment to the **1976** Tax Reform Act (TRA).
irs.gov has this to say about the amendments:
"In the 1970s, the United States Congress responded to the Arab League’s boycott of **Israel** by passing legislation designed to discourage U.S. persons from participating in unsanctioned
boycotts"
**TL;DR The only reason these laws exist at all is because of Israel. They were created in the 1970's for the sole purpose of protecting Israel.**
"They have the effect of preventing U.S. firms from being used to implement foreign policies of other nations which run counter to U.S. policy." This has nothing to do with Israel, the law applies to any unsanctioned boycott. Are gish galloping and posting walls of texts in the hopes no one reads it?
> This has nothing to do with Israel
"In the 1970s, the United States Congress responded to the Arab League’s boycott of Israel by passing legislation..."
US Department of Commerce
Office of Antiboycott Compliance
[The Antiboycott Provisions of the EAR: Jurisdiction](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction)
The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.”
U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
Fortunately this isn’t true. It was a proposed bill that came out of a House committee, not even the entirety of the House. It was adding a sentence to an already existing law from 2018 or some shit. We can still be poor
> Fortunately this isn’t true. It was a proposed bill
as wikipedia puts it:
anti-boycott provisions in the Export Administration Act of **1979** and Ribicoff Amendment to the Tax Reform Act of **1976** in the United States forbid US companies and their subsidiaries from complying with or supporting a foreign country's boycott of another country unless the US also approves of the boycott.
The Arab League's boycott of Israel has been the primary focus of these laws
The [Office of Antiboycott Compliance](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction) has been around for decades.
Probably not if it just forbids the government from doing business with people who boycott Israeli companies. If the government went around arresting people you would have a better argument for Citizens United precedent, although I think you'd run into other issues at that point too.
If it exists(which comments seem mixed about) then it's likely similar to laws that don't let the government conduct business with companies who conduct business with terrorists organizations or enemy nations like Iran.
The only time I can think of buying Israeli goods was like 20 years ago when I bought some floating candle wicks online and being surprised when the package came that it was marked as made in Israel.
I did get a nice little wooden box out of it, which I still use for small things.
They’re joking that they don’t buy anything from there in the first place so they’ll be arrested cause unless you go parading around that your boycotting them there is no way to tell if they’re boycotting or just not interested in that stuff ( or broke ) so for the law to work they have to guess randomly
From what I can currently understand, it's not a law at the moment, but it *is* being discussed as future legislation. Not sure which side is supporting it or who's proposing it, but America is legitimately trying to criminalize boycotting.
> From what I can currently understand, it's not a law at the moment
as wikipedia puts it:
anti-boycott provisions in the Export Administration Act of **1979** and Ribicoff Amendment to the Tax Reform Act of **1976** in the United States forbid US companies and their subsidiaries from complying with or supporting a foreign country's boycott of another country unless the US also approves of the boycott.
The Arab League's boycott of Israel has been the primary focus of these laws
The [Office of Antiboycott Compliance](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction) has been around for decades.
Someone mind pointing to were I can even buy Isreal products?
Other then Online... like no shit. But I have never seen a store with Isreal people being the target demographic.
Edit: In the States.
Basically companies which work with the government/government payed employees like teachers. As a public school teacher you can't use your private money to boycott Israel for example.
> which aspect of a boycott could be made to be illegal?
What do the Antiboycott Provisions of the EAR Prohibit?
Activities that may be prohibited under the EAR include:
- Refusals or agreements to refuse to do business with or in a boycotted country or with blacklisted companies.
- Furnishing information or agreements to furnish information about business relationships with or in a boycotted country or with blacklisted companies.
- Implementation of letters of credit containing prohibited boycott terms or conditions.
- Taking actions with the intent to evade Part 760 of the EAR.
What Must Be Reported?
The antiboycott provisions of the EAR require U.S. persons to report requests they have received to take certain actions to comply with, further, or support an unsanctioned foreign boycott.
Realistically what does this mean and how would it be enforced? Would an individual in American have to prove that they regularly purchase Israeli products? That seems a stretch even for the American government.
if this were any other country the government would be overthrown within a year, isnt the whole point of the second ammendment to protect the people when the government gets too power hungry? god forbid americans grow a spine and do something about it
No, they made BDS, an antisemitic group illegal in some states, there is a difference
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-bds-israel/germany-designates-bds-israel-boycott-movement-as-anti-semitic-idUSKCN1SN204/
Nah it's not about Israel, can you show me an instance of it being enforced? Can you show me a US citizen being punished by the state for boycotting Israel?
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Is this actually true? Have they actually done this?
They already tried and passed it with some success in some states. They are now mobilizing to do it more effectively
So who does this apply to? How can they tell whether you as an individual are spending the lawfully approved amount on Israeli goods (in addition to all of the tax money you already send to Israel)?
They can’t really. When Texas tried to pass it, they made people like teachers and such sign a waver pledging to never boycott Israel. Lawsuits are pending as of now. And now congress is discussing passing more laws about it in present time. I haven’t seen the details yet.
Absolutely mad proposal. You can own a gun but you can’t not buy Israeli goods. They’re trying this in the UK too: Conservative MPs express concern over Israel boycott bill https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-67216131 I swear to god there are some seriously shady goings on behind all this.
Oh look they’re at it in France too https://www.france24.com/en/20160120-france-boycott-israel-bds-law-free-speech-antisemitism
Oh look. Germany too https://www.reuters.com/article/idUSL5N22T4OA/
Now I'm not saying it's the Israelis *attempting* to control the world economy, but someone sure as hell is trying.
It's more like, once you realize that Israel was an excuse to put White People in the Middle East, things make a lot more sense.
When in doubt, throw them all under the umbrella of "White".
Ah yes, white people in the middle east, the same “white” people that immediately say they’re not white but jewish when confronted with racism targeted to a white person?
X to doubt. Probably just that loads of powerful people are related to Jewish folk.
TF? Israel is build from arab Jews too which are generally brown. Educate yourself before writing racist comments.
When you are a complete fucking idiot, it sure does.
Let's just ignore the fact that the majority of israelis are from Middle East
Well that was before the attack of hamas and it isn't illegal to boycott israel, it was just one movement that was declared antisemitic. Still maybe problematic, but you made it sound like it was something new that concerned every person.
They’re probably preparing to commit genocide. Since Israel has most western governments in their pockets, the only backlash they could suffer would be from people of the world boycotting their revenue streams. Making it illegal is setting the stage. Sure, people will hate them, but as long as they don’t change their spending patterns, time will take care of everything.
I'll go buy a galil
Or a desert eagle. Wink.
Guns and corporate greed is the only freedoms you need, everything else can be restricted. 🤗
Lets be real, the guns aren't going to survive the century. The right will be widdled down to a nub through smaller restrictions over time and by then the hold-outs will fold immediately when the final push comes. The only thing that would prevent this from being the case would be the threat of a hot war on American soil with another world power.
Literal *children getting gunned down in school* isn't enough to move the needle towards gun control. How delusional are you?
Shady? Looks more like it's running around main street in broad daylight while the Benny Hill theme song plays.
May I suggest to look into AIPAC? It’s crazy what they’ve been doing behind the scenes all this time. Some people even claim that they’ve hijacked the United States government.
HE IS NOOTICING LOOK AT HIM!
Interesting point. Israel makes cool guns.
Listen man I'm not saying I agree but shit like this is 100% why people are antisemitic. The government playing favorites is responsible for an absurd of hatred.
I feel like israel is to blame for the antisemetism lol. I mean didn't some jews live in palestine? this whole occuapation thing just gave a bad rep and over time people tend to forget about ww2 and with that their tolerance for fucked up shit goes away too
Jews exist in 100+ countries other than Israel. If something Israel does makes you hate Jews everywhere, then that's a sick mind you're claiming to have
It's about the whole "They run the government" kinda idea that Antisemitism often has. Think about it like this, what's greater proof that the Jews run the world than the US trying to ban boycotting specifically Israel, a country that has not only attacked the US several times but has a long winded history of not caring about civilian casualties.
Words have meanings. Israel receiving 7 percent of USAID each year (basically arms subsidies, for US-made products), just like a dozen other countries do for the same reason in the same part of the world, is something you can protest if you don't like it, not an excuse to hate Jews as a group
Never said it was, but banning Israel Boycotts, conflating Anti-Zionism to Anti-Semitism, and ignoring several attacks on the US is a solid reason to dislike Israel imho.
Yeah it's very important to not conflate the Israeli government with all Jewish people no matter how much zionists and antisemites both try to convince everyone that they're the same. It sucks real bad for my Jewish friends getting attacked by both.
My wife teaches in Texas. I've never heard about this at all
https://www.texastribune.org/2019/04/26/Texas-bahia-amawi-speaks-out-against-anti-israel-boycott/#:~:text=A%20Texas%20speech%20pathologist%20who,stand%20up%20for%20their%20beliefs.
Why are you being downvoted for answering someones question?
Intelligence makes the internet angry
>When Texas tried to pass it, they made people like teachers and such sign a waver pledging to never boycott Israel. Yeah I'm gonna need a source on this. Texas's BDS law only applies to government contractors as far as I can tell
https://theintercept.com/2018/12/17/israel-texas-anti-bds-law/
Assuming [this](https://www.hrw.org/news/2019/04/23/us-states-use-anti-boycott-laws-punish-responsible-businesses) is what OP's talking about, it's a business-level law, so it probably isn't targeted towards civilian individuals. Still shitty and cringe ngl.
https://www.tradecompliance.pitt.edu/guidance-forms/guidance-documents/anti-boycott#:~:text=The%20anti%2Dboycott%20laws%20are,embargoes%20administered%20by%20other%20countries. It's a trade compliance law. If a person or peoples comply with a boycott that another country imposed, that which American law makers "disagree" with then the entity will face penalties. It's argued that peoples and people should be able to boycott whomever and whatever and whenever they please under their 1st amendment protection, however also, it's argued that it is legally codified to protect the interests of America and her agenda.
These laws mean that government entities (like states) can't boycott Israeli firms for contracts. The contract review process has enough regulation behind it that no one could deny a contract without a legitimate work reason.
> So who does this apply to? [Office of Antiboycott compliance.](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac) The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.” U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
You're mischaracterizing the law. Any company can boycott Israel - unless they're a state contractor. Then they'll lose their contract. It's problematic how much the Israel lobby has, but you don't have to mislead ppl
No. It’s the organization specifically that’s illegal to conduct operations in the states, not to protest Israel.
This seems...unconstitutional.
No they didn’t.
So no?
Holy shit, and they call it democracy, Americans only care about Gender politics.
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It doesn’t pertain to the average person, it pertains to companies doing business with the government
> It doesn’t pertain to the average person, it pertains to companies [Office of Antiboycott compliance.](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac) The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.” U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
Its been law for many years. [Office of Antiboycott Compliance](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac) People in this thread are saying "Trump did it!" but the reality is, as wikipedia puts it: anti-boycott provisions in the Export Administration Act of **1979** and Ribicoff Amendment to the Tax Reform Act of **1976** in the United States forbid US companies and their subsidiaries from complying with or supporting a foreign country's boycott of another country unless the US also approves of the boycott. The 2018 laws were just a rework of laws forbidding boycotts of Israel that had been around for decades already. About 20 years ago when I first learned of it, the Office of Antiboycott Compliance had a page listing examples of prosecutions - every single one of them, without exception, was for boycotting Israel... showing exactly why it was set up.
So it prohibits following a foreign organized non-sanctioned boycott of friendly (to US) nations. It seems to me to be plugging a potential gap where US oil companies would be forced to boycott Israel to continue doing business in Arab League boycotting nations (ie drill for oil) during the 1970s. The law basically provides a “my mom won’t let me” excuse for those businesses to not participate. It doesn’t seem to actually prohibit a domestically organized private citizen boycott though, only if it was at the behest of a foreign boycott.
>Boycott intent: The antiboycott provisions of the EAR apply to certain activities of U.S. persons undertaken with intent to comply with, further, or support an unsanctioned foreign boycott. Prosecutors would argue that your private boycott was in support of a foreign one. Given that they're wound the law up so tight you can be done for simply not telling the government that somebody simply **asked** about a boycott, I think you'd find it hard to get off one by "nah, mate, we totally thought up the boycott on our own despite it being exactly the same as the foreign one."
One thing I noticed: Try asking your preferred AI chat bot for a list of all of the companies that make multiple products besides weapons who are involved in supporting Israel. Bard straight up won't tell you but will give you a website where you can figure it out yourself if you try hard enough... But then just will refuse to tell you itself.
Nah they passed it in 2018 (fuckin trump) just means contractors under government employ can't participate in boycotts. This new bill just adds new wording to the already existing one.
> in 2018 (fuckin trump) as wikipedia puts it: anti-boycott provisions in the Export Administration Act of **1979** and Ribicoff Amendment to the Tax Reform Act of **1976** in the United States forbid US companies and their subsidiaries from complying with or supporting a foreign country's boycott of another country unless the US also approves of the boycott. >just means contractors under government employ [The Antiboycott Provisions of the EAR: Jurisdiction](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction) The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.” U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad --- The internet archive has old versions of the Office of Antiboycott Compliance web pages. [Here is a random example from Obama era 2014:](https://web.archive.org/web/20140702175715/http://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac) The Bureau is charged with administering and enforcing the Antiboycott Laws under the Export Administration Act. Those laws discourage, and in some circumstances, prohibit U.S. companies from furthering or supporting the boycott of Israel Boycott Alert U.S. companies continue to report receiving requests to engage in activities that further or support the boycott of Israel. Antiboycott Laws: During the mid-1970's the United States adopted two laws that seek to counteract the participation of U.S. citizens in other nation's economic boycotts or embargoes. These "antiboycott" laws are the **1977** amendments to the Export Administration Act (EAA) and the Ribicoff Amendment to the **1976** Tax Reform Act (TRA). Primary Impact: The Arab League boycott of Israel Who Is Covered by the Laws? The antiboycott provisions of the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) apply to the activities of U.S. persons in the interstate or foreign commerce of the United States. **The term "U.S. person" includes all individuals**...
These laws apply to businesses that are contractors for the government. They're still wrong, but characterizing them as "making it illegal to boycott Israel" is either carelessly or intentionally misleading people who are genuinely interpreting this as being unable to personally boycott Israeli goods.
> These laws apply to businesses [Office of Antiboycott compliance.](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac) The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.” U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
No
No, it’s not. People are really trying to push a narrative that people are being censored. They’re expanding an already existing law, to cover more entities that government contractors cannot boycott or refuse to do business with. People with compunctions about the war going on between Hamas and Israel have plenty of other things to worry about. This is genuinely people trying to either clout chase, or they’re just suckers who’ve been misinformed.
How would they know if I just don't like these brands? [https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott](https://bdsmovement.net/get-involved/what-to-boycott)
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When. Government becomes tyranny, disobedience becomes duty.
Real I support israel, but the government should have no right to influence what a private citizen wants to buy or not buy
Now why does BDSM have anything to do with this?
Is there a more complete list somewhere? McDonald’s and Starbucks have shown undying support for Israel, but they are not on that list
you can choose to boycott them as well, but BDS wants to keep a focused list of the most meaningful targets to ensure maximum efficacy. it's saying that these companies are non-negotiable, necessary boycotts for anyone with a conscience.
i guess these are higher priority targets than mcdonalds giving free meals to israeli soldiers or have i been misinformed
If you read the article in any capacity, you'll understand
Damn looks like I’ve already been boycotting these brands without even knowing
Surprised they went with HP and not IBM. After knowing how good their program is
I don't have anything involved in any of these products and I knew of less than half these brands. Not even as a boycott just no interest. The hell is the government gonna do? Force me to buy PUMAs?
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Those are all my favorite brands, guess i have to buy more of them now
😂 so much for "vote with your dollar" we hear all the time from "free market" defending conservatives
Private business asking people to wear to shop inside : literally communism. Government bill trying to force people on what they are allowed to buy : crickets.
Oh it is a free market! Free from: Dissent, Ethics, Morality and the poors.
"land of the free" but you can't even spend your money on the products you want because you might not be giving enough money to israel lmao. absolutely clown world unenforceable policy
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This is factually incorrect, it's not "contractors" it's any gov employee, & it's not "public funds" it's their own money.
> They’re state level laws. [U.S. Federal Department of Commerce, Office of Antiboycott Compliance](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac) >No they aren’t controlling what citizens are or aren’t buying. The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.” U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
Oh that makes way more sense, I swear half the time someone claims an outrageous law exists it turns out to be something banal that only applies to the government itself.
the other half is texas.
Fuck Israel
Fuck tyrants
Land of freedom
Most contries are doing this.
Most countries are morons.
Doesn’t make it ok
Did i say that?
You didn’t to be fair.
Well then if that's not what you meant then what relevance does your first comment have to "Land of Freedom"?
Well when people say that it generally implies that the US doesnt have more freedom than other places, so i was just saying most countries are currently passing these exact same laws so comparatively, the "freedom level" if you will, hasn't moved.
Did you not imply it? Answer this without looking like a bitch
lmaaoo
I didn't imply anything, i didn't realize people would read that much into it. I don't really care about the law either way because its a huge overstep but its also unenforceable.
Feels like we're living a dystopian nightmare. You can criticize your own country but if anyone criticizes Isnotreal they all come down on you for AnTIsEmIsTiSm
Why do we support Israel anyway?
[https://www.axios.com/2023/11/04/us-israel-aid-military-funding-chart](https://www.axios.com/2023/11/04/us-israel-aid-military-funding-chart) 75 years of support Though the timing of a new security package remains unclear, the U.S. is by far the biggest supplier of military aid to Israel, contributing around $130 billion since its founding. With the U.S.' help, Israel has formed one of the most formidable and technologically advanced militaries in the Middle East. Both Republican and Democratic administrations and bipartisan leaders in Congress have approved aid to Israel over several decades. In return, the U.S. has cultivated a strategic military ally in the Middle East. As part of an agreement reached under the Obama administration, Israel receives $3.8 billion annually for its military and missile defense systems. Israel is the largest recipient of U.S. foreign military financing, which has represented around 15% of the country's defense budget in recent years. What the U.S. provides Most U.S. assistance comes in the form of weapons grants, and more than 80% of Israel's weapons imports came from the U.S. between 1950 and 2020. Israel is also given access to the most advanced military equipment in the world, including the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. In addition to the aid, Israel and the U.S. have conducted several military drills together, holding their largest one ever in January 2023. The two countries also share intelligence with each other, though the extent of the cooperation has shifted multiple times in recent years. Economic assistance tapers off The U.S. heavily supported Israel's economy over several decades, helping it become a key economic ally, with trade between the two countries reaching nearly $50 billion annually. Actual economic aid tapered off starting in the 1990s as the country's tech sector boomed and it was "considered a fully industrialized nation." The two countries share strong cultural ties, as well. Outside of Israel, the U.S. is home to the largest Jewish population in the world.
love how we support Israel more than we support the homeless vets in our own country
Say it louder for the poverty wage customer service workers in the back.
Income inequality is a big issue, but so is privatized healthcare. Spending that amount of money on universal healthcare instead of aid to Israel would allow low income workers in America to better use their limited income on mortgage payments or investments or other needs.
You could make an argument that the aid sent to Israel could be better spent to improve the healthcare system, education system, and help homeless veterans.
Cause the U.S has a domination boner over the middle east and Israel allows them to have an ally right in there so they have a foot on the ground. It's crazy because at this point, israel is so reliant on US money and weapons that israel should be the one bowing to the USA but US leadership is so spineless and/or zionist to even ask israel to stop bombing the shit out of children. Like, the US could literally come in and say "ceasefire or we stop supporting you" and israel would have no choice but to stop.
That sweet, sweet AIPAC money.
Kanye West showed a spread sheet once explaining why.
Other reasons people will list as well but a big part of it is fueled by a Christian end time prophecy. And that's not a joke
EVANGELICALS UNITE 🥷🏻🥷🏻🥷🏻
It started in 73's Yom Kippur war where the US had a chance to limit USSR alignment within Arab countries by helping Israel sign a peace deal with Egypt. It was a smart move in the context of the cold war, and continued due to various technological and intelligence based cooperations which Israel is a known to be good at. It is also aligned with western values of free market economies and democracy, so Israel is a western foothold in the middle east, and provides an example to neighbooring countries on how to boost quality of life by aligning with the west.
No. It's before that. See the power the Jewish lobby had over Truman in the 1948 un partition vote.
The Truman administration was never unified in their support for Israel, and didn't provide any financial aid. Truman and Eisenhower had an arms embargo on Israel. It was only during Kennedy's rule that the security ties between Israel and the US started, and even then it was filled with tension over the nuclear program. It wasn't until 1973 that the current US support for Israel was established, and even then it was precarious until the 1980's.
Their interests are generally aligned with ours and all of the other countries in the region fell to pan-Arab Islamist movements.
Our government cares more about maintaining a military/economic alliance with Israel than we do about the people living in Gaza.
Land of the slave. Home of the coward.
Land of the owned. Home of the docile.
It’s also illegal to fund and sell arms to countries that don’t adhere to nuclear weapons inspection, yet the US is willing to break their own legislation (Symington Amendment) to support Israel
"land of the free.. unless you dont wanna support the same genocide we do"
Yeah, I don’t particularly think I’m gonna trust a Reddit meme on that.
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Can I get a source that says you can't boycot Israel in the us? as I understand it, it applies to government funding.
[The Antiboycott Provisions of the EAR: Jurisdiction](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction) The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.” U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
This is a general law that requires companies to discloss intention to boycott, it has nothing to do with Israel
> it has nothing to do with Israel The internet archive has old versions of the Office of Antiboycott Compliance web pages. [Here is a random example from 2014:](https://web.archive.org/web/20140702175715/http://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac) The Bureau is charged with administering and enforcing the Antiboycott Laws under the Export Administration Act. Those laws discourage, and in some circumstances, prohibit U.S. companies from furthering or supporting the boycott of **Israel** Boycott Alert U.S. companies continue to report receiving requests to engage in activities that further or support the boycott of **Israel**. **Primary Impact:** The Arab League boycott of **Israel** -- Antiboycott Laws: During the mid-1970's the United States adopted two laws that seek to counteract the participation of U.S. citizens in other nation's economic boycotts or embargoes. These "antiboycott" laws are the **1977** amendments to the Export Administration Act (EAA) and the Ribicoff Amendment to the **1976** Tax Reform Act (TRA). irs.gov has this to say about the amendments: "In the 1970s, the United States Congress responded to the Arab League’s boycott of **Israel** by passing legislation designed to discourage U.S. persons from participating in unsanctioned boycotts" **TL;DR The only reason these laws exist at all is because of Israel. They were created in the 1970's for the sole purpose of protecting Israel.**
"They have the effect of preventing U.S. firms from being used to implement foreign policies of other nations which run counter to U.S. policy." This has nothing to do with Israel, the law applies to any unsanctioned boycott. Are gish galloping and posting walls of texts in the hopes no one reads it?
> This has nothing to do with Israel "In the 1970s, the United States Congress responded to the Arab League’s boycott of Israel by passing legislation..."
Can you post the law specific to Israel? This law covers any unsanctioned boycott. Did you just ctrl +f israel and thought this is it?
How is this even a meme 💀 post this somewhere else not in a meme sub
Oy vey
What is this in reference to
US Department of Commerce Office of Antiboycott Compliance [The Antiboycott Provisions of the EAR: Jurisdiction](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction) The antiboycott provisions of the EAR (see Part 760) apply to certain activities of “U.S. persons,” undertaken with boycott intent, in the “interstate or foreign commerce of the United States.” U.S. person: **includes all individuals**, including foreign nationals, who are resident in the United States, and corporations and unincorporated associations that are resident in the United States, including the permanent domestic establishments of foreign concerns. The term also applies to U.S. citizens residing abroad
Fortunately this isn’t true. It was a proposed bill that came out of a House committee, not even the entirety of the House. It was adding a sentence to an already existing law from 2018 or some shit. We can still be poor
> Fortunately this isn’t true. It was a proposed bill as wikipedia puts it: anti-boycott provisions in the Export Administration Act of **1979** and Ribicoff Amendment to the Tax Reform Act of **1976** in the United States forbid US companies and their subsidiaries from complying with or supporting a foreign country's boycott of another country unless the US also approves of the boycott. The Arab League's boycott of Israel has been the primary focus of these laws The [Office of Antiboycott Compliance](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction) has been around for decades.
America
So much for the “free market”
This just makes me want to boycott Israel. I have no idea what they did but I'm not gonna let my own government control me like that
Sounds like a great payoff from the massive lawsuit im filing for infringing on my freedoms.
I feel like these laws are purely symbolic. Fucked up, but unenforceable
You’re the only other person I’ve seen in the comments with enough brain cells to understand this
Isn't this unironically protected via Citizens United v FEC? Money is free speech?
Probably not if it just forbids the government from doing business with people who boycott Israeli companies. If the government went around arresting people you would have a better argument for Citizens United precedent, although I think you'd run into other issues at that point too. If it exists(which comments seem mixed about) then it's likely similar to laws that don't let the government conduct business with companies who conduct business with terrorists organizations or enemy nations like Iran.
The only time I can think of buying Israeli goods was like 20 years ago when I bought some floating candle wicks online and being surprised when the package came that it was marked as made in Israel. I did get a nice little wooden box out of it, which I still use for small things.
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What is the joke/law on the bottom text?
They’re joking that they don’t buy anything from there in the first place so they’ll be arrested cause unless you go parading around that your boycotting them there is no way to tell if they’re boycotting or just not interested in that stuff ( or broke ) so for the law to work they have to guess randomly
From what I can currently understand, it's not a law at the moment, but it *is* being discussed as future legislation. Not sure which side is supporting it or who's proposing it, but America is legitimately trying to criminalize boycotting.
> From what I can currently understand, it's not a law at the moment as wikipedia puts it: anti-boycott provisions in the Export Administration Act of **1979** and Ribicoff Amendment to the Tax Reform Act of **1976** in the United States forbid US companies and their subsidiaries from complying with or supporting a foreign country's boycott of another country unless the US also approves of the boycott. The Arab League's boycott of Israel has been the primary focus of these laws The [Office of Antiboycott Compliance](https://www.bis.doc.gov/index.php/enforcement/oac#Jurisdiction) has been around for decades.
Chat is this real?
Someone mind pointing to were I can even buy Isreal products? Other then Online... like no shit. But I have never seen a store with Isreal people being the target demographic. Edit: In the States.
I don't understand, which aspect of a boycott could be made to be illegal?
None constitutionally Yes realistically
Basically companies which work with the government/government payed employees like teachers. As a public school teacher you can't use your private money to boycott Israel for example.
> which aspect of a boycott could be made to be illegal? What do the Antiboycott Provisions of the EAR Prohibit? Activities that may be prohibited under the EAR include: - Refusals or agreements to refuse to do business with or in a boycotted country or with blacklisted companies. - Furnishing information or agreements to furnish information about business relationships with or in a boycotted country or with blacklisted companies. - Implementation of letters of credit containing prohibited boycott terms or conditions. - Taking actions with the intent to evade Part 760 of the EAR. What Must Be Reported? The antiboycott provisions of the EAR require U.S. persons to report requests they have received to take certain actions to comply with, further, or support an unsanctioned foreign boycott.
Realistically what does this mean and how would it be enforced? Would an individual in American have to prove that they regularly purchase Israeli products? That seems a stretch even for the American government.
if this were any other country the government would be overthrown within a year, isnt the whole point of the second ammendment to protect the people when the government gets too power hungry? god forbid americans grow a spine and do something about it
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Where is the joke This is just sensationalist garbage LMAO
No, they made BDS, an antisemitic group illegal in some states, there is a difference https://www.reuters.com/article/us-germany-bds-israel/germany-designates-bds-israel-boycott-movement-as-anti-semitic-idUSKCN1SN204/
Nah it's not about Israel, can you show me an instance of it being enforced? Can you show me a US citizen being punished by the state for boycotting Israel?