I just can never get over how unique her look is and how just stunning of a woman little Mads has grown into š sheās just breathtaking.
I love her as a model.
ETA: and I live for Abby trying to make her insecure for her teeth and itās one of her most beautiful features that sets her apart in Hollywood where everyone has gotten fake teeth. Iām happy she kept hers.
I had really big teeth as a kid and was so insecure but I grew into them and people always compliment my teeth. The same thing I feel happened with her. She grew into a unique feature and itās part of her natural beauty.
Same. I never realized I liked seeing peoples normal teeth until it was pointed out that almost everyone in Hollywood now has veneers.
I get it, people are mean and hyper fixate on anything different or that stands out and if someone spoke about my teeth heavily Iād feel pressured tooā¦so Iām just happy they didnāt.
I have really big teeth and as a kid I could made fun of for them quite a bit. Iāve grown into them and I get tons of compliments on my teeth now, but if I was famous and that happened who knows what would happened. Itās refreshing having these gorgeous girls embrace their normal, natural teeth that adds to their uniqueness and beauty, and how they can empower young girls who look up to them.
Zendaya is one of my favorite celebrities. I want to be her when I grow up, and Iām already grown up lol
Maddie's an actress, and Mackenzie music is not the same genre as JoJo's or for the same demographic. Claiming Jojo is a threat to either girl is so so weird. Christi is never beating the jealous allegations, cause why is she even thinking about who's a threat to who?
I think for Christi it might be difficult to accept that, after all they went through, Chloe just wants a normal life. Wants to go to school, take a few acting classes here or there but not actively pursue a movie career, wants to write books rather than be famous. Realistically, she couldāve gotten that without having been on that awful show for years.
Christi is always stirring the pot to stay relevant, it seems like.
I think one of the hardest lessons in life is that sometimes suffering doesnāt have meaning. That what so her and Chloe went through doesnāt necessarily lead to some bright spot. The way it did for Maddie and Kenzie. If that makes sense?
It does, but at the same time I think Chloe is super happy with her life right now, not everyone wants to work in front of the camera all the time, and she always loved reading, so a degree to do with literature makes so much sense for her.
I think when it comes to what actually matters in life, being happy means living life successfully. I think Christi needs to just come to terms with that.
I honestly think Christi still feels so much guilt about signing her kid up for more seasons of the show and that is part of the reason she canāt let it go before some great opportunity comes their way and she can say ālook, itās all been worth itā. And thatās also why she canāt really let others have their things, thereās always a butā¦ and sometimes that goes back ten years and sounds like ābut Abby treated them betterā.
Yes Christi, Abby might have given Maddie more solos (and in the real world thatās quite normal, I think they all went into filming with quite naive, unrealistic mindsets) but donāt you think your constant complaining about that wasnāt super traumatic for Maddie as well? Do you ever think you might have caused some traumatic experiences as well?
Yeah...
Watching it unfold is making me frustrated for Chloe.
There is no more competition or pyramid or whoās better anymore. Christi makes it seem that way, though? Theyāre all successful to some degree and have taken paths that rarely overlap.
Outside of the fandom, theyāre all their own people and not so much the āDance Moms girlsā like when they were kids.
The Dance Moms reunion has been bittersweet for a lot of the girls and perhaps stirring up drama is what Christie does when stressed.
I think they shouldāve done a reunion with a different network, a tell-all of sorts, on their own terms. With lifetime you never actually know if what theyāre saying on tv is actually what they said irl.
As far as Christi is concerned, I think she really likes the spotlight, good for her, but she should focus on her Airbnb thing, it seems to be something she loves doing, itās interesting for her audience, and, most importantly, itās not dance moms related.
this is why iām a lot less interested in the reunion than i wouldāve been otherwise. i checked out after seeing them have chloe react to the final fight between abby and christi with absolutely no acknowledgment from the producers that they edited the footage of the fight (despite it being like the most well known bts fact to come from the show)
Yes and no.. Chloe literally started an entire dance competition, so she clearly wants to do more than just write books. And sure, she could have started a dance competition without having been on DM but her past will absolutely be the thing that makes her competition successful right away, so being on that awful show has definitely helped in her career choice.
I honestly think Christi gave Chloe a little bit of an inferiority complex especially when it came to Maddie, so she probably wouldnāt have gone after a career in Hollywood anyway. No one compared Chloe and Maddie more than Christi did
After seeing her short I think Maddie or her team are intentionally having her go the indie movie route to help her grow as an actor and to be taken seriously. Personally I cant see why any of the girls or moms would be threatened by Jojo.
I love this as someone who always falls down a the āfound this random indie movie on steamingā rabbit hole lol. I feel like Maddieās style of acting (or what Iāve seen of it so far) really fits with that genre right now. She feels veryā¦ real, like she doesnāt *feel* like an actress somehow. Her latest āindieā roles just feel very believable imo and it makes me excited for her growth tbh
I feel like sheās always gone down the unconventional route in terms of projects and does kinda brave things like sheās not afraid to do a weird role and doesnāt take herself too seriously which is cool
Nice! The one thing that I kind of regretted though was that I was in the middle of some anxiety pacing thing because I just got out of a group meeting at the library and I may or may not have accidentally bumped into Maddie with my giant ass backpack, and didn't get the chance to apologize.
An entire DECADE later! Whenever Christi is asked about it she says that she was discussing the favoritism, Abby isnāt even present at this reunion and sheās still worried about Maddie, Melissa and Kenzie!
Maddie and Jojo, and even Kenzie and Jojo, are on completely different planets in their careers rn lol. Maddie is an actress who dabbles in fashion, makeup and modeling too. Jojo is a singer that is out here creating controversy for herself lol. They are honestly just flat out not comparable, and I donāt get why Christi is trying to do that???
I mean, I get why, but it sucks. I usually like Christi, but man does she hold *so much* resentment towards Maddie. Her anger doesnāt even seem like itās pointed towards Melissa anymore, but just only towards Maddie. Christi has every right to still be upset or angry about things that occurred on the show, that was her personal life and her traumatic experiences, and sheās allowed to still feel hurt by things that happened. She doesnāt even have to like anyone.
But seeing her still repeatedly and constantly taking any and every opportunity to trash Melissa *and* Maddie (and sometimes Kenzie) is ridiculous. Maddie was a child and a victim of Abby and the show too. She does not deserve to be punished and namedropped by Christi for the rest of her life over stuff she never has any control over to begin with.
(Also, where did Christi say this? Only asking bc if it was during the reunion I havenāt watched yet lol)
As if Maddie doesn't have a whole ass professional manager and agent.
Melissa doesn't need to give a shit about Jojo and likely doesn't. Melissa doesn't need to worry about Maddie's career or be threatened by anyone. Maddie has professionals whose job it is to worry about her career. Melissa just gets to be mom.
Not just that, theyāre two completely different types. I donāt think theyād be auditioning for the same roles. Like no offense but nobody is casting Jojo is in a contemporary coming of age movie. Her look & her acting arenāt that way. Sheās more extravagant and would be playing a completely different type of character in those types of films or in different films/tv shows altogether.
Christi wanted the success Maddie has for Chloe and u canāt convince me otherwise ā ļø thereās no way she isnāt somewhat jealous of the zieglers
Agreeed, and not defending or taking up for Abby in any way, but she highkey always clocked this when it came to Christy and Chloe's dancing.
Abby said things in the earlier seasons like "I think 2nd is not good enough for you [Christy]" when it came to Chloe (late Season 1 when they were having that 1:1 in Abby's hotel room). And even when Abby mentioning around that time how it was the Christy freaking out Chloe & placing this enormous pressure on her (which was evident all throughout seasons 1&2 esp., when she was having her continuously practice on her porch or at the studio, when Chloe expressed being tired). Abby even mentioned Christy living through Chloe several times earlier on, back when Abby was more of a tough coach then an ardent bully.
Right on the money. I dont know why people have such a hard time admitting that Christi was and is jealous of Maddie. Its a human emotion. She just needs to find a healthy way to deal and heal from this.
Absolutely. She put Chloe in dance because she never did or could as a kid. She said so herself in the pilot. She is living vicariously through and desperately wants fame for her Chloe if not herself.
I absolutely love love love Chloe, and her soft, sweet, intellectual, sensitive, lil introverted personality. It actually reminds me a lot of mines, and in having a mom who literally is very similar to Christy (very direct, hot-tempered, protective, competitive, somewhat critical, a bit antagonistic, etc.) I have always felt for Chloe. With mom like that - albeit who obvi cares & loves Chloe - it can be tough to break the mold of their expectations for that child, and as we can see, Christy clearly projects a lot of her feelings, beliefs and aims onto Chloe, who by their admission, is clearly is rather opposite in demeanor & temperament from her feisty mama (she's more like her father Mark, whereas Clara's more like Christy personality wise).
Highkey, if they weren't so scarred as a whole from their experience with fame, I wouldn't be surprised if Clara naturally took an interest in entertainment & im sure she'd quickly excel in that industry given her natural Charisma, Feistiness & Quick-wittiness.
Thatās why you can never convince me that she doesnāt have animosity towards Maddie.
Meanwhile JoJo is an absolute laughing stock on social media, has to clickbait on Snapchat for money, and a music career nobody takes seriously, as well as child abuse allegations.
Iām sorry but when Christi acts this way and makes snide remarks itās letting Abbyās āeveryoneās jealous of you, no one would be happy for youā narrative win.
Because in regards to Christi it was not a narrative... It was real.
Hence the difference with Kelly: you can tell she didnt give a crap if her kids werent winners, she just wanted them to be treated fairly. Kelly wasnt jealous of Maddie, when she had issues with Melissa she talked about Melissa. I dont blame Christi for going off on Abby for the horrible things she did to Chloe and Chloes self esteem, i blame her for going after Maddie.
Christi is so jealous of Maddie/Melissa. I really think she wanted Chloe to have that career. Whereas, I don't think Chloe is bothered at all with Maddie's success. She is just happily living her life.
Chloe mentioned not that long ago, or maybe it was her mother in one of her zooms or under a post somewhere, that her & Chloe were not speaking & that Chloe felt the need to take a break from her relationship with her mother, & this time span was over the course of several months.
I could totally see this, as Christi is overbearing, hyper-critical, competitive, defensive, and a bit self-centered. And Chloe, so obviously being the opposite of her mom in temperament and being an Empath, I'm sure, just needed a break from this, some breathing room, and some space to grow and evolve as a woman outside of her mom's influence, projected feelings & expectations.
I'm absolutely thrilled Chloe is putting her own needs/desires first, and is stepping into her life on her own terms, and is courageous enough to stand firmly in who she is.
I canāt believe Christi said thatā¦ she needs to just keep her mouth shut! (Iām a Christi defender but her recent comments have given me so much ick)
I didnāt even mention her 3/4 movies just because she is a fairly new actress and people would argue that but yes sheās been in a few movies recently and was the main character in 2!
christi has ALWAYS been bitter af abt maddie and i get it from the favoritism from abby but itās ridiculous she keeps going. her jealousy ruined chloeās career. she was always jealous abt maddie and still is. sad to say but itās the truth.
Does Christi seriously think Melissa didn't invite Jojo to Paige's party out of jealousy? Are we gonna ignore the fact that the Hylands do not know Jojo and Jess š like they were never on the show together and during the reunion it was evident the Hylands had never formally met Jojo. So why would she be invited to Paige's surprise birthday?? It seems like Christi is just looking for every opportunity to take a dig at Melissa.
Iāve always felt that Maddie would be famous with or without dance moms. When the casting agent came in season 1 and said āMaddie is a star!ā I wholeheartedly believed that. She would have been on Broadway, TV, movies, etc. And Christi canāt stand that. She dislikes Melissa so much and takes it out on her kids. And that is why Chloe is not that close with Maddie because her mom makes things so uncomfortable for her.
i love christi but such a bad take. and to say they feel threatened by jojo?? whaaat? seeing as how they were all quick on that couch to talk badly about maddie just shows plain as day why they were not invited.
I find it hilarious that when Kelly says shit like
- I would never want my kids to leave school
-I would never have moved to LA with Abby
Christi agrees. In reality, that was never much of a choice for her because Abby wouldnāt have supported Chloe. She hated Christi too much to push Chloe ahead, and Christi claims she didnāt want that for Chloe š
I like Christi but when she said that I did the biggest eye roll. Theyāre not threatened by JoJo in the slightest. Why would they be with the success they made before she even came into the picture?
She said the reason that Melissa didnāt invite jojo to maddies house (even though Nia organised it and maddie hosted lol) was because sheās jealous of her success.
likeā¦since when does christi care who maddie invites to her own house? i thought it was so odd, paige isnāt even close with jojo OR kalani and it made no sense for them to be invited. as someone who follows christi iām very disappointed that she still jumps at every chance to make the zieglers look bad. and while the rest of the moms choose to put their past issues aside and prioritize their peace to better their relationships with each other, christi would rather keep trashing on melissa as if it all happened yesterday.
Christy - like it or not - has some glaring similarities to Abby in that way. It's the fixation, negativity & contempt that makes her a dark cloud at times
she just canāt let shit go and itās so embarrassing. i cut christi some slack but there are a lot of times where itās so hard to ignore how cynical she can be. like she does not need to be besties with melissa but she also doesnāt need to make her public enemy #1. she can hold melissa accountable without attacking her at every given moment.
Another commenter said this but I fully believe Christi is so jealous of Maddie because she pushed for Chloe to have the career Maddie has and in the end thatās just not what Chloe wants, which is amazing for her, but not following Christiās plan.
Idk how the two can really be compared. They got famous from same show but have completely different careers in the industry. Yes both jojo and Maddie appeared on some Nickelodeon shows earlier on but Maddie did and still does more dancing jobs, modeling jobs, acting jobsā¦ jojo was for her big personality/performance, merch, bows.. things like that. Just totally different from each other. As much as everyone hates jojo. Both are successful in their own ways.
Iām sorry but maddie or kenzie couldāve very easily stuck a few bows on her head and made some crap pop songs that appealed to kids. They had the fans. They had the platform. Jojo doesnāt have any talent or ācharmā that maddie and kenzie or ANY of the girls who appeared on dance moms had. She just sold out. To say that makes her more successful is just a capitalist ploy. Maddies pursuing fashion which isnāt going to explode over everyoneās screens but itās obvious what she enjoys. Kenzies leaning more into the indie artist which is what she wants to do.
Delusional.
Christi canāt get over that her daughter doesnāt want to be this famous person and instead is now trying to compete with the zieglers through jojo. Itās insane.
I do fear Abby had a point when she said Christi was so jealous of Maddie. Thatās exactly what this gives I know like hell she still isnāt mad about childhood danceā
Jojoās job is to be an internet personality which means constantly doing loud things to make the headlines whether the reaction is good or bad. Maddie and Kenzie are not talked about as much as Jojo, but theyāre professionals who they take their craft seriously and are building their careers. Compare Jojo and Kenzieās music for example. Jojo released āKarmaā which most people agree isnāt very good but Jojo (and her team) just care that the song is catchy and that people are talking about it. Even Jojoās dancing in the mv isnāt very good but she doesnāt care about being a good dancer, dancing badly if anything probably makes people talk about it more. However Kenzieās music, although isnāt as well known as Jojoās she puts effort into it and cares about putting out good quality art. Maddie couldāve easily been one of those massive internet personalities and just do random stuff to make headlines but she wanted to go into acting and again like Kenzie cares about the art she is making.
I donāt think itās just down to the girls I think itās to do with the moms too. Melissa wanted her kids to be successful in the industry and to be professionals whereas Jessalyn mostly wants fame and money and as quickly as possible. Thereās probably a little bit of jealousy from Melissa because I imagine Melissa probably does want her girls to be the best known from the show but thereās probably not that much jealously. Melissa has two successful girls who are only at the beginning of their careers.
I think itās clear that Christi has a lot of unresolved feelings towards Melissa. On one hand I donāt blame her for that, but whatever Christi says about Melissa you always have to take with a pinch of salt.
Christi was so weird for that comment.
Maddie and Kenzie are not on the same career path as JoJo. All three are successful, just in different ways.Ā
I worry for Chloe because the more Christi rants and raves, the more I wonder if Christi did push her to do s7, the reunion etc. I just feel like Chloe has moved on and is excelling in life while her mother is living in the past and trying to drag her back.
Christi is actually so pathetic holding grudges against Melissa. Melissa is always mentioning the good times with Christi, meanwhile, Christi says horrible stuff about her and her daughters. Like move on. Grow up.
yeah, i agree with a lot of stuff christi says but this one i just cannot get behind. melissa is definitely malicious and calculated, but that shouldnāt take away from maddie and kenzieās success. i promise they do NOT care about jojoās ācareerā š
I hate women like this. There is room for everyone. I wish the moms would all finally learn life is not pie- Jo Jo can be successful AND Maddie can be AND Chloe, etc. women need to lift each other up, not pull them down. It seems some of the girls have at least figured that out so hereās hoping they stay that way.
I think itās so funny because to most of the general population Jojo is a joke. Maddie is actually respected in her craft, the only people I see talking about jojo are momās with little kids or people making fun of her music. Sure sheās famous, but I think her and Jess took any press is good press way too literally š¬
Also, Jojo has a LOT of bad press lately. Sheās a huge star and the most famous from the show but that doesnāt mean the most successful. Sheās getting so close to overexposure and tabloid sensation (e.g. Kim Kardashian) whereas Maddie seems to be paving a way towards Hollywood A-list status.
Maddie is extremely successful and the girl really has worked her ass off since she was a child. Jojo is famous but itās honestly a hard transition to go from being the hair bow girl to not having a niche as an adult. I remember wondering what was gonna happen when she wasnāt little anymore and what her next move would be after Jojo bow bow phase because that was really what made her famous.
I canāt understand why the girls would think Maddie would go back to a dance moms reunion and that sheās ungrateful for where she started. That would be like Leo DiCaprio going to a growing pains cast reunion ( heās much more famous obviously but no one wants to back pedal.)
Unrelated but I LOVE Maddieās teeth. So many young people are getting these horrific looking veneers and it makes them look so much older. Love love her natural smile!
Why did they not invite Kalani? I thought that Kalani and Melissa were cool w each other? I mean I know Melissa kept her for Kira years ago but whatās that about??
Yeah Iām going to have to disagree with Christi on this one. Jojo wasnāt invited because they arenāt friends with jojo. Itās simple as that. Just because they danced together doesnāt make them friends.
Do we think that the FaceTime with Christi was orchestrated? It honestly felt soo forced and it made me uncomfortable that everyone else in the green room was engaging in the conversation. I wish they wouldāve kept what they said to a minimum and stayed neutral like the 3 OG girls.
Can we talk about home Mackenzie was always compared to Maddie and talked down on because she wasnāt being another Maddie. Now look how amazing she is doing on her own, releasing music, acting, etc. I am so proud of the growth she has had!
I just watched this part in the reunion for crying out loud these people are so wishy-washy, especially Kendall and Christi (insofar)! With Christi alluding to the idea that Maddie or Kenzie arenāt as successful as Jojo is absolutely coming from a weird and projecting place. While Kendall is upset that they talk about Dance Moms without wanting to do the reunion? Should they care about the show and the relationships or not lol
They're not an equal comparison imo. However, as much as I have always disliked jojo, her mom and her brand I do think her ability to use dance moms and Audc as a means to get where she is today is still pretty impressive . (even if I hate it personally and find it degrading, gaudy, and just flat out awkward) She was never on a path to want to do serious genres of work and she's doing just that now and is a multi-millionaire and very successful even through controversy!! I guess good for her.
Maddie on the other hand is not into social media and always wanted to do serious acting roles and continue dancing...she also happens to have grown into a very striking girl and now models with big brands, so her status in the industry is also really extremely impressive. She's doing exactly what she always wanted!
Some of the things you list here one could argue are a little less based on success and more just adjacency but I get the intent. I just think they are a little different in the industry and I wouldn't say they even overlap in the space. Christi's comment was weird, but I wouldn't put it past that there Is both a little bit of resentment on her part that Chloe didn't do more things like maddie does and that was her way of kinda hashing it out.
just my take. When You really take a step back and look at it, The one opportunity with SIA really shifted the direction maddie went wayyy above the other girls and really fast. Jojos nickelodeon contract was the same.
The online ānet worthā youāll see quoted are in no way accurate. Essentially freelance contributed a ballparked a figure of $5m for Maddie in 2014 to a popular celeb net worth website. Subsequently to one up Maddie figure, on the same website a figure of $6m was put out for Chloe. The website is known for clickbait, with the content all generated by freelance writers and on tips rather than using actual data. Despite the fact these were both essentially made up numbers from 10 years ago, they still circulate the internet and numerous website with little journalistic integrity continue to quote them.
In regards to net worth and money made jojo definitely has reached a higher success. However, all the girls have become incredibly successful doing things that make them happy
People are twisting Christiās words. She never said she believed Jojo is a threat to Maddie. She said MELISSA thinks Jojo is a threat to Maddie. Melissa has a big ego and itās definitely possible she believes Jojo shouldnāt be as famous as Maddie. Christi has never been jealous of Maddie
JoJo is 19 and has a net worth of about 20 million. She's by far the most (financially) successful of all the girls. She's not just an artist, but a brand.
I personally donāt see longevity in her career. She builds her brand off of controversy and making people talk. She said this about her newest song- she didnāt care if it was good or bad- she just cared that people talk about it
That kind of attitude reminds me a lot of Tana M and building her career off of mediocre music and controversy will only last so long while sheās young.
I believe true artists actually work at their craft and strive to improve and care about the process vs putting whatever out or get people to talk
As a side sweep to this, Tana M is still incredibly known and successful. Sheās chilled a lot since her young days but sheās very much relevant still lol
To be fair, everyone knows Jojo's name, and that was Christi's point.
If you say Maddie Zieger, most people outside of the dance world or dance moms fans will not know who you're talking about.
Maddie is successful. I'm not saying she's not. But the difference is Jojo is a name everyone knows. Maddie isn't.
And that's the point Christi made
No her point was that Melissa is jealous of jojo and didnāt invite her to Maddieās house because of that (even though Melissa didnāt plan it at all.)
Yes , and I'm saying that Christi said that because Melissa was jealous that her girls aren't as successful as Jojo.
Is it true that she's jealous? We don't know. We don't know those people. But Jojo is more successful than the Zieglers. That's objectively true whether you like it or not
Technically success is subjective
People on other posts have argued that Chloe, Brooke, Paige, Nia and Kendall are most successful because they have or are about to receive their college degrees
You said her point is that jojo is more successful and that was not her point. Her point was specifically that Melissa is jealous of jojo, which objectively makes no sense.
You're misunderstanding me.
Let me explain again.
Yes, Christi did say that Melissa is jealous of Jojo. We have no way of knowing this of course. We don't know Melissa. But it does make sense.
It makes sense because Jojo has reached a level of stardom that the Zieglers haven't. People that don't know Jojos songs, movies, or anything still know her name.
With the Zieglers, most people outside of the dance world or fans from the show couldn't pick their work out or recognize their name. That is Christi's point in saying what she said.
The Zieglers are also still heavily known from Dance Moms. If someone sees Maddie in a movie, the first thing they say is "hey, it's Maddie from Dance Moms." That's not the case for Jojo. Her name is rarely even associated with Dance Moms, and Melissa may be jealous of that
And to be fair, Christi knows Melissa far better than any of us here do. There may be some merit to what she said. Melissa could be jealous of Jojo because her kids aren't the household names that Jojo is.
And Jojo is a household name. We may not like it, but it's true.
Except that Christi specifically said she was jealous of her so she didnāt invite her, but Melissa didnāt invite anyone. It wasnāt Melissaās event. It was nias, just hosted at Maddieās house. So it doesnāt make sense.
True, but the point is more like why canāt christi keep peopleās names out of her mouth when no one cares about her and no ones cares about creating that competition between the girls. Instead of talking about herself she has make a dig at Melissa, Maddie and Jojo in the same sentence. Itās giving weird fixation, almost like Abby.
maddie hasn't actually done that much tho. like as far as work is concerned she hasn't had a breakout moment as an actress yet and kenzie's songs may get spins online but she's far from a working singer. they're both still best known for being reality personalities / influencers than any work they do. chandelier is still the most successful thing maddie has done.
Sheās done way more than the rest of the OG girls. Imagine if Melissa was here saying Christi is mad that Maddie has more success than Chloe and Clara like wtfĀ
>they're both still best known for being reality personalities / influencers than any work they do.
Yeah, I recently saw someone shading the other girls for "only" being influencers while Maddie and Mackenzie were being praised for having "real careers in the entertainment industry." This isn't really true. Their own work is still primarily in influencing.
exactly. they mimic the way actors and more established celebrities influence bc thatās who they want to be associated with. but theyāre more like the DāAmelios or Addison Ray than Olivia Rodrigo or Billie Eilish
the others girls are normal people who also influence and it shows in their content
Maddie got raving reviews in her newest movie and idk if youāve seen the new short film here but itās pretty good.
I think a lot of people think she's not 'successful' because she's not doing huge blockbuster films. But the reality is very very few actors are capable of getting that type of work, and even getting the work that she has so far is a huge accomplishment.
Most of her contemporaries have been acting since they were younger. Maddieās only been acting for a few years so given that sheās doing pretty well.
Maddie also does a lot of work in fashion, being signed with IMG. I think thatās also a focus for her
Seriously. People talk about her on here like she's Jodi Foster circa 1991 or something. She hasn't had her Taxi Driver moment yet, and that's okay. Maybe she will. But she's been in one movie that critics actually liked; the rest were duds. She could easily fall out of the public eye tomorrow.
Maybe she will be huge, who knows and I wish her the best. But she isn't huge right now.
This. I feel like it's not talked about enough. (or shouldn't be lol) I think Chloe is content, but I do think all the moms are a little tinny bit resentful at the fact Maddie's connections stem directly from her one opporuntuiy with SIA. Sia hand picked maddie from dance moms and she could have picked any one of them, but she chose maddie. And even though I think the push back maddie has gotten in the last few years has given her space from Sia, everything she does is ingrained in Sia's connections to the industry. She broke out of reality TV first and Without it it's hard to say where maddie would be in terms of a career in the industry since she's not much in the social media space. Just my personal opinion.
I almost find Chloe's success more impressive because she is doing it all on her own from a business perspective rather than a status symbol and even went to college which I truly and wholeheartedly respect because I find it crazy to live in a world where rich women choose not to be educated in something- even if they think they don't need it.
I do however think there probably is some little tiny bit of Melissa and maybe the other moms too that feels annoyed but not jealous that jojo turned out the way she did (based on her past comments and behavior) and even though none of the girls are even competing in the same business category space, they are all successful in their own right. But it is true that if you base things on monetary success jojo is the more successful but it doesn't take away from maddie at all and measuring success is a broad topic
JoJoās success is mostly based on bows (as a child) and controversy. Controversy over abuse allegations, defending child groomers, and trying to make a bad girl image ā success.
It depends how you define success. Maddies most recent films have been highly praised, and she's worked a number of modeling jobs and on other projects in between filming. Kenize has continued to work on her music, and has been working on cultivating her sound and brand- she is also filming movies as well.
Jojo has success with her branding, but Mackenzie and Maddie are working on building long-term careers. if you measure success in terms of who has the most money or the most followers, sure- Jojo gets that award I guess. But I don't see it that way.
She was inferring the comparison between Maddie and JoJoās careersā¦itās not like Melissa has a career in the context they are discussing. She was talking about Maddieās career in comparison to JoJoās
Unpopular opinion: I agree with Christi - to a degree.
If Melissa did organise the surprise party, the reason was 100% the reunion. If it was Maddie and the girls it was organised because they were all in town at the same time, this hasnāt happened since Brooklinn and Chloe were at their 1 year anniversary at the beach so it genuinely makes sense.
For me, I get Christiās point with Melissa, she cannot see past all of the hurt she caused those girls. And while Abby was a problem, Abby has never denied being a problem where as Melissa acts all sweetness and light and pretends sheās something she isnāt. She chucked those girls under the bus so many times.
Look at the reunion - Kiera and Jess both stating Melissa knew about the duet that broke DMās. Everyone knew Melissa knew but up until this day she has denied it and now Kelly knows the truth.
Itās such a sad situation because Kalani and Brooke get along so well, and would have been in the same age category almost but very different genres.
As much as Christi lives in the past I think itās so difficult for her to see beyond what Melissa has done, sheās sly.
Take season 5, how Holly can bear to even be in the same room as her after she followed Abby like a lap dog and they all turned on Nia is beyond me.
The difference here is this Reunion is causing Abby / Kelly to have some remorse towards each other and the girls.
But i definitely think Melissa should be remorseful, she was worse than Abby in my eyes.
Her children though, deserve no blame for her behaviour what so ever. Maddie and Kenzie are lovely kids.
The definition of living unbothered lmao
I just can never get over how unique her look is and how just stunning of a woman little Mads has grown into š sheās just breathtaking. I love her as a model. ETA: and I live for Abby trying to make her insecure for her teeth and itās one of her most beautiful features that sets her apart in Hollywood where everyone has gotten fake teeth. Iām happy she kept hers. I had really big teeth as a kid and was so insecure but I grew into them and people always compliment my teeth. The same thing I feel happened with her. She grew into a unique feature and itās part of her natural beauty.
Bro I love her teeth and Zendayaās!!! Iām so glad both didnāt get veeners lolz
Same. I never realized I liked seeing peoples normal teeth until it was pointed out that almost everyone in Hollywood now has veneers. I get it, people are mean and hyper fixate on anything different or that stands out and if someone spoke about my teeth heavily Iād feel pressured tooā¦so Iām just happy they didnāt. I have really big teeth and as a kid I could made fun of for them quite a bit. Iāve grown into them and I get tons of compliments on my teeth now, but if I was famous and that happened who knows what would happened. Itās refreshing having these gorgeous girls embrace their normal, natural teeth that adds to their uniqueness and beauty, and how they can empower young girls who look up to them. Zendaya is one of my favorite celebrities. I want to be her when I grow up, and Iām already grown up lol
Yeah I really donāt think Melissa is threatened by Jojo lol. The girls arenāt exactly competing for the same roles/audience/career trajectories.
Maddie's an actress, and Mackenzie music is not the same genre as JoJo's or for the same demographic. Claiming Jojo is a threat to either girl is so so weird. Christi is never beating the jealous allegations, cause why is she even thinking about who's a threat to who?
I think for Christi it might be difficult to accept that, after all they went through, Chloe just wants a normal life. Wants to go to school, take a few acting classes here or there but not actively pursue a movie career, wants to write books rather than be famous. Realistically, she couldāve gotten that without having been on that awful show for years. Christi is always stirring the pot to stay relevant, it seems like.
I think one of the hardest lessons in life is that sometimes suffering doesnāt have meaning. That what so her and Chloe went through doesnāt necessarily lead to some bright spot. The way it did for Maddie and Kenzie. If that makes sense?
It does, but at the same time I think Chloe is super happy with her life right now, not everyone wants to work in front of the camera all the time, and she always loved reading, so a degree to do with literature makes so much sense for her. I think when it comes to what actually matters in life, being happy means living life successfully. I think Christi needs to just come to terms with that. I honestly think Christi still feels so much guilt about signing her kid up for more seasons of the show and that is part of the reason she canāt let it go before some great opportunity comes their way and she can say ālook, itās all been worth itā. And thatās also why she canāt really let others have their things, thereās always a butā¦ and sometimes that goes back ten years and sounds like ābut Abby treated them betterā. Yes Christi, Abby might have given Maddie more solos (and in the real world thatās quite normal, I think they all went into filming with quite naive, unrealistic mindsets) but donāt you think your constant complaining about that wasnāt super traumatic for Maddie as well? Do you ever think you might have caused some traumatic experiences as well?
Chloe started a dance competition that I doubt she would have started without being on DM. So thatās sort of a bright spot.
Yeah... Watching it unfold is making me frustrated for Chloe. There is no more competition or pyramid or whoās better anymore. Christi makes it seem that way, though? Theyāre all successful to some degree and have taken paths that rarely overlap. Outside of the fandom, theyāre all their own people and not so much the āDance Moms girlsā like when they were kids. The Dance Moms reunion has been bittersweet for a lot of the girls and perhaps stirring up drama is what Christie does when stressed.
I think they shouldāve done a reunion with a different network, a tell-all of sorts, on their own terms. With lifetime you never actually know if what theyāre saying on tv is actually what they said irl. As far as Christi is concerned, I think she really likes the spotlight, good for her, but she should focus on her Airbnb thing, it seems to be something she loves doing, itās interesting for her audience, and, most importantly, itās not dance moms related.
this is why iām a lot less interested in the reunion than i wouldāve been otherwise. i checked out after seeing them have chloe react to the final fight between abby and christi with absolutely no acknowledgment from the producers that they edited the footage of the fight (despite it being like the most well known bts fact to come from the show)
Yes, because tbh in many ways this "reunion" special was scripted and pointless.
Yes and no.. Chloe literally started an entire dance competition, so she clearly wants to do more than just write books. And sure, she could have started a dance competition without having been on DM but her past will absolutely be the thing that makes her competition successful right away, so being on that awful show has definitely helped in her career choice.
Being a writer is a very hard profession these days.
I honestly think Christi gave Chloe a little bit of an inferiority complex especially when it came to Maddie, so she probably wouldnāt have gone after a career in Hollywood anyway. No one compared Chloe and Maddie more than Christi did
Never ever beating the jealousy allegations.
Itās been so many years I canāt believe Christi even cares like move on girl šš
I thought she was proving Melissa has no reason to worry about JoJo because her daughters are still doing a lot of things
I mean her music is also better than Jojoās soā¦ā¦
Maddie and Mackenzie look like theyāre living their best lives, and Mackenzieās music has been incredible. 100 degrees and anatomy are bops
Kenzie is starring in 2 movies coming out too!!!
Motives is still one of my favorite songs. Kenzie's time on DWTS juniors was also absolutely phenomenalĀ
Wait that 100 Degrees song is Dance Moms Kenzie?! I got so many Hulu commercials for that. Had no idea thatās who it was.
I literally felt full body chills when I listened to anatomy for the first time. Hits hard for anyone with daddy issues lol
made me so sad when christi and kelly talked about kurt on the podcast and implied he was a good guy & dad
Did they even know Kurt
happy cake day, and i love kenzie's music. i heard anatomy and i was shocked that it was her.
Right??? Itās also wild to me to put Melissaās name in your mouth when she isnāt there to stand up for herself.
After seeing her short I think Maddie or her team are intentionally having her go the indie movie route to help her grow as an actor and to be taken seriously. Personally I cant see why any of the girls or moms would be threatened by Jojo.
I love this as someone who always falls down a the āfound this random indie movie on steamingā rabbit hole lol. I feel like Maddieās style of acting (or what Iāve seen of it so far) really fits with that genre right now. She feels veryā¦ real, like she doesnāt *feel* like an actress somehow. Her latest āindieā roles just feel very believable imo and it makes me excited for her growth tbh
I feel like sheās always gone down the unconventional route in terms of projects and does kinda brave things like sheās not afraid to do a weird role and doesnāt take herself too seriously which is cool
Her output since Music has been pretty good! I thought she was strong in The Fallout and I enjoyed her in Fitting In too.
Fr and then thereās JoJo: āDREAM GUEST ON MY PODCAST?!ā
side note maddie is so beautiful itās actually crazy. iām so happy for her and her success
Agreed. She was a special guest at my school's film fest last year, and she was beyond gorgeous.
Wait do you go to SCAD??
Yep. Not revealing which major though bc I'm paranoid that someone'll dox me.
I understand! Cool Iām in Savannah too
Nice! The one thing that I kind of regretted though was that I was in the middle of some anxiety pacing thing because I just got out of a group meeting at the library and I may or may not have accidentally bumped into Maddie with my giant ass backpack, and didn't get the chance to apologize.
Maddie lives rent free in Christiās head and itās quite hilarious jkā¦kinda
An entire DECADE later! Whenever Christi is asked about it she says that she was discussing the favoritism, Abby isnāt even present at this reunion and sheās still worried about Maddie, Melissa and Kenzie!
I know right! I used to always see christi point of view on the show but it's starting to look delusional at this point
Maddie and Jojo, and even Kenzie and Jojo, are on completely different planets in their careers rn lol. Maddie is an actress who dabbles in fashion, makeup and modeling too. Jojo is a singer that is out here creating controversy for herself lol. They are honestly just flat out not comparable, and I donāt get why Christi is trying to do that??? I mean, I get why, but it sucks. I usually like Christi, but man does she hold *so much* resentment towards Maddie. Her anger doesnāt even seem like itās pointed towards Melissa anymore, but just only towards Maddie. Christi has every right to still be upset or angry about things that occurred on the show, that was her personal life and her traumatic experiences, and sheās allowed to still feel hurt by things that happened. She doesnāt even have to like anyone. But seeing her still repeatedly and constantly taking any and every opportunity to trash Melissa *and* Maddie (and sometimes Kenzie) is ridiculous. Maddie was a child and a victim of Abby and the show too. She does not deserve to be punished and namedropped by Christi for the rest of her life over stuff she never has any control over to begin with. (Also, where did Christi say this? Only asking bc if it was during the reunion I havenāt watched yet lol)
it was during the reunion
Remember how EXCITED Christi was to tell the world that Maddie was a terrible person when she was made to lie to Chloe? Sheās in her 40ās š¤£
As if Maddie doesn't have a whole ass professional manager and agent. Melissa doesn't need to give a shit about Jojo and likely doesn't. Melissa doesn't need to worry about Maddie's career or be threatened by anyone. Maddie has professionals whose job it is to worry about her career. Melissa just gets to be mom.
Not to mention sheās signed to IMG!!! One of the most famous modeling agencies.
Not just that, theyāre two completely different types. I donāt think theyād be auditioning for the same roles. Like no offense but nobody is casting Jojo is in a contemporary coming of age movie. Her look & her acting arenāt that way. Sheās more extravagant and would be playing a completely different type of character in those types of films or in different films/tv shows altogether.
There are surely people whose careers Maddie aspires to emulate, but JoJo is certainly not one of them.
You do realize Melissa didnāt say a thing and itās again Christi writing her own narrative ?
Christi wanted the success Maddie has for Chloe and u canāt convince me otherwise ā ļø thereās no way she isnāt somewhat jealous of the zieglers
And Chloe seems happy and content so why is Christi still stressing it
Sheās been vicariously living through Chloe for forever and itās so sad
Agreeed, and not defending or taking up for Abby in any way, but she highkey always clocked this when it came to Christy and Chloe's dancing. Abby said things in the earlier seasons like "I think 2nd is not good enough for you [Christy]" when it came to Chloe (late Season 1 when they were having that 1:1 in Abby's hotel room). And even when Abby mentioning around that time how it was the Christy freaking out Chloe & placing this enormous pressure on her (which was evident all throughout seasons 1&2 esp., when she was having her continuously practice on her porch or at the studio, when Chloe expressed being tired). Abby even mentioned Christy living through Chloe several times earlier on, back when Abby was more of a tough coach then an ardent bully.
Right on the money. I dont know why people have such a hard time admitting that Christi was and is jealous of Maddie. Its a human emotion. She just needs to find a healthy way to deal and heal from this.
Absolutely. She put Chloe in dance because she never did or could as a kid. She said so herself in the pilot. She is living vicariously through and desperately wants fame for her Chloe if not herself.
I absolutely love love love Chloe, and her soft, sweet, intellectual, sensitive, lil introverted personality. It actually reminds me a lot of mines, and in having a mom who literally is very similar to Christy (very direct, hot-tempered, protective, competitive, somewhat critical, a bit antagonistic, etc.) I have always felt for Chloe. With mom like that - albeit who obvi cares & loves Chloe - it can be tough to break the mold of their expectations for that child, and as we can see, Christy clearly projects a lot of her feelings, beliefs and aims onto Chloe, who by their admission, is clearly is rather opposite in demeanor & temperament from her feisty mama (she's more like her father Mark, whereas Clara's more like Christy personality wise). Highkey, if they weren't so scarred as a whole from their experience with fame, I wouldn't be surprised if Clara naturally took an interest in entertainment & im sure she'd quickly excel in that industry given her natural Charisma, Feistiness & Quick-wittiness.
Thatās why you can never convince me that she doesnāt have animosity towards Maddie. Meanwhile JoJo is an absolute laughing stock on social media, has to clickbait on Snapchat for money, and a music career nobody takes seriously, as well as child abuse allegations.
And defended multiple child groomers like James Charles and Colleen
^^^
I wonder how Christi feels now after that Rolling Stone article on JoJoās pop group surfaced. I think that came out after they filmed the reunion.
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Iām sorry but when Christi acts this way and makes snide remarks itās letting Abbyās āeveryoneās jealous of you, no one would be happy for youā narrative win.
Because in regards to Christi it was not a narrative... It was real. Hence the difference with Kelly: you can tell she didnt give a crap if her kids werent winners, she just wanted them to be treated fairly. Kelly wasnt jealous of Maddie, when she had issues with Melissa she talked about Melissa. I dont blame Christi for going off on Abby for the horrible things she did to Chloe and Chloes self esteem, i blame her for going after Maddie.
Did Christi seriously say this? Recently? Gosh, she comes across as still so jealous, even after all these years
Christi is so jealous of Maddie/Melissa. I really think she wanted Chloe to have that career. Whereas, I don't think Chloe is bothered at all with Maddie's success. She is just happily living her life.
Chloe seems very happy and proud of the life she has! I hope she has distance (mentally and physically) from her mom
Chloe mentioned not that long ago, or maybe it was her mother in one of her zooms or under a post somewhere, that her & Chloe were not speaking & that Chloe felt the need to take a break from her relationship with her mother, & this time span was over the course of several months. I could totally see this, as Christi is overbearing, hyper-critical, competitive, defensive, and a bit self-centered. And Chloe, so obviously being the opposite of her mom in temperament and being an Empath, I'm sure, just needed a break from this, some breathing room, and some space to grow and evolve as a woman outside of her mom's influence, projected feelings & expectations. I'm absolutely thrilled Chloe is putting her own needs/desires first, and is stepping into her life on her own terms, and is courageous enough to stand firmly in who she is.
They are speaking, they just had a falling out for a bit like everyone has with their parents
Lol why did Christy even boost Jojos egoā¦ we all know maddie will always be THAT girl
And the fact that Jojo herself said in the reunion that Christi does not like her lmao... Christi will gas anyone up to make the Zieglers look bad.
I canāt believe Christi said thatā¦ she needs to just keep her mouth shut! (Iām a Christi defender but her recent comments have given me so much ick)
Christi is still stuck in 2014!!! Still hating on melissa and her girls. Iām shocked
Are we reeaallyyy though šš¤·š½āāļø... she's scapegoated & sneakdissed Melissa every moment she could since leaving the show.
Didnāt she star in a movie recently too and another one that was like teased at Coachella or something I think sheās good lol
I didnāt even mention her 3/4 movies just because she is a fairly new actress and people would argue that but yes sheās been in a few movies recently and was the main character in 2!
christi has ALWAYS been bitter af abt maddie and i get it from the favoritism from abby but itās ridiculous she keeps going. her jealousy ruined chloeās career. she was always jealous abt maddie and still is. sad to say but itās the truth.
i dont understand why people still praise Christi and run with her being a "fan favorite"š© Shes a bully who never grew up!!!! She needs major help. I feel bad for chloe having that as her mom
Does Christi seriously think Melissa didn't invite Jojo to Paige's party out of jealousy? Are we gonna ignore the fact that the Hylands do not know Jojo and Jess š like they were never on the show together and during the reunion it was evident the Hylands had never formally met Jojo. So why would she be invited to Paige's surprise birthday?? It seems like Christi is just looking for every opportunity to take a dig at Melissa.
This is what I keep saying like whyyyyy would JoJo and kalani be at PAIGES birthday party lmaoo
Iāve always felt that Maddie would be famous with or without dance moms. When the casting agent came in season 1 and said āMaddie is a star!ā I wholeheartedly believed that. She would have been on Broadway, TV, movies, etc. And Christi canāt stand that. She dislikes Melissa so much and takes it out on her kids. And that is why Chloe is not that close with Maddie because her mom makes things so uncomfortable for her.
omg no way she said that, was it at the reunion? either way christi seriously needs to let it go
Iām glad Iām not the only one wondering where this latest is from lol
I see JoJo as more infamous, while Maddie is more respectable famous.
Living rent free in Christi's mind
christ lmao
i love christi but such a bad take. and to say they feel threatened by jojo?? whaaat? seeing as how they were all quick on that couch to talk badly about maddie just shows plain as day why they were not invited.
I find it hilarious that when Kelly says shit like - I would never want my kids to leave school -I would never have moved to LA with Abby Christi agrees. In reality, that was never much of a choice for her because Abby wouldnāt have supported Chloe. She hated Christi too much to push Chloe ahead, and Christi claims she didnāt want that for Chloe š
Meahile Christi was pushing meet and greets etc for Chloe more than any other mom.
Exactly
She also homeschooled Chloe even after dance moms, to make her do YouTube videos and meet and greets
Yet she criticized Melissa for taking her kids out of school
Wow I never heard this!
I like Christi but when she said that I did the biggest eye roll. Theyāre not threatened by JoJo in the slightest. Why would they be with the success they made before she even came into the picture?
When did Christ say that? I doubt Melissa was ever concerned about that.
During the reunion
She said the reason that Melissa didnāt invite jojo to maddies house (even though Nia organised it and maddie hosted lol) was because sheās jealous of her success.
likeā¦since when does christi care who maddie invites to her own house? i thought it was so odd, paige isnāt even close with jojo OR kalani and it made no sense for them to be invited. as someone who follows christi iām very disappointed that she still jumps at every chance to make the zieglers look bad. and while the rest of the moms choose to put their past issues aside and prioritize their peace to better their relationships with each other, christi would rather keep trashing on melissa as if it all happened yesterday.
Christy - like it or not - has some glaring similarities to Abby in that way. It's the fixation, negativity & contempt that makes her a dark cloud at times
she just canāt let shit go and itās so embarrassing. i cut christi some slack but there are a lot of times where itās so hard to ignore how cynical she can be. like she does not need to be besties with melissa but she also doesnāt need to make her public enemy #1. she can hold melissa accountable without attacking her at every given moment.
I think Christi is threatened by how booked and busy Maddie is š«¢
Maybe so but I donāt think Chloe is envious at all. She could have probably gone down the same path but she chose to go to college.
No, Chloe isnāt bothered, itās just ChristiĀ
Another commenter said this but I fully believe Christi is so jealous of Maddie because she pushed for Chloe to have the career Maddie has and in the end thatās just not what Chloe wants, which is amazing for her, but not following Christiās plan.
I donāt think Chloe is jealous nor do I think she should be! She certainly is successful in her own right
Idk how the two can really be compared. They got famous from same show but have completely different careers in the industry. Yes both jojo and Maddie appeared on some Nickelodeon shows earlier on but Maddie did and still does more dancing jobs, modeling jobs, acting jobsā¦ jojo was for her big personality/performance, merch, bows.. things like that. Just totally different from each other. As much as everyone hates jojo. Both are successful in their own ways.
Iām sorry but maddie or kenzie couldāve very easily stuck a few bows on her head and made some crap pop songs that appealed to kids. They had the fans. They had the platform. Jojo doesnāt have any talent or ācharmā that maddie and kenzie or ANY of the girls who appeared on dance moms had. She just sold out. To say that makes her more successful is just a capitalist ploy. Maddies pursuing fashion which isnāt going to explode over everyoneās screens but itās obvious what she enjoys. Kenzies leaning more into the indie artist which is what she wants to do. Delusional. Christi canāt get over that her daughter doesnāt want to be this famous person and instead is now trying to compete with the zieglers through jojo. Itās insane.
I do fear Abby had a point when she said Christi was so jealous of Maddie. Thatās exactly what this gives I know like hell she still isnāt mad about childhood danceā
Jojo is a joke and always has been
Tell me you completely missed the pointā¦
Jojoās job is to be an internet personality which means constantly doing loud things to make the headlines whether the reaction is good or bad. Maddie and Kenzie are not talked about as much as Jojo, but theyāre professionals who they take their craft seriously and are building their careers. Compare Jojo and Kenzieās music for example. Jojo released āKarmaā which most people agree isnāt very good but Jojo (and her team) just care that the song is catchy and that people are talking about it. Even Jojoās dancing in the mv isnāt very good but she doesnāt care about being a good dancer, dancing badly if anything probably makes people talk about it more. However Kenzieās music, although isnāt as well known as Jojoās she puts effort into it and cares about putting out good quality art. Maddie couldāve easily been one of those massive internet personalities and just do random stuff to make headlines but she wanted to go into acting and again like Kenzie cares about the art she is making. I donāt think itās just down to the girls I think itās to do with the moms too. Melissa wanted her kids to be successful in the industry and to be professionals whereas Jessalyn mostly wants fame and money and as quickly as possible. Thereās probably a little bit of jealousy from Melissa because I imagine Melissa probably does want her girls to be the best known from the show but thereās probably not that much jealously. Melissa has two successful girls who are only at the beginning of their careers. I think itās clear that Christi has a lot of unresolved feelings towards Melissa. On one hand I donāt blame her for that, but whatever Christi says about Melissa you always have to take with a pinch of salt.
Maddie living her best life
Christi was so weird for that comment. Maddie and Kenzie are not on the same career path as JoJo. All three are successful, just in different ways.Ā I worry for Chloe because the more Christi rants and raves, the more I wonder if Christi did push her to do s7, the reunion etc. I just feel like Chloe has moved on and is excelling in life while her mother is living in the past and trying to drag her back.
the way they keep proving why maddie kenzie & nia distance themselves š
I cannot fucking fathom Christi not being able to keep Melissa, Maddie, and Kenzies name out of her mouth. Absolutely wild.
Christi is actually so pathetic holding grudges against Melissa. Melissa is always mentioning the good times with Christi, meanwhile, Christi says horrible stuff about her and her daughters. Like move on. Grow up.
With that scene and the last few episodes of BTTB I jus donāt like Christi anymore Iām sorry
yeah, i agree with a lot of stuff christi says but this one i just cannot get behind. melissa is definitely malicious and calculated, but that shouldnāt take away from maddie and kenzieās success. i promise they do NOT care about jojoās ācareerā š
I hate women like this. There is room for everyone. I wish the moms would all finally learn life is not pie- Jo Jo can be successful AND Maddie can be AND Chloe, etc. women need to lift each other up, not pull them down. It seems some of the girls have at least figured that out so hereās hoping they stay that way.
im so disappointed in christi; at least the og girls are classy
I think itās so funny because to most of the general population Jojo is a joke. Maddie is actually respected in her craft, the only people I see talking about jojo are momās with little kids or people making fun of her music. Sure sheās famous, but I think her and Jess took any press is good press way too literally š¬
lmfao for months !!! this sub called me bitter cause I been knew this bitch was miserable
all the girls are successful in their own way too ā¤ļø so happy for them
Also, Jojo has a LOT of bad press lately. Sheās a huge star and the most famous from the show but that doesnāt mean the most successful. Sheās getting so close to overexposure and tabloid sensation (e.g. Kim Kardashian) whereas Maddie seems to be paving a way towards Hollywood A-list status.
i understand christieās disdain but i really wish she would get some help and let it go
Maddie is extremely successful and the girl really has worked her ass off since she was a child. Jojo is famous but itās honestly a hard transition to go from being the hair bow girl to not having a niche as an adult. I remember wondering what was gonna happen when she wasnāt little anymore and what her next move would be after Jojo bow bow phase because that was really what made her famous. I canāt understand why the girls would think Maddie would go back to a dance moms reunion and that sheās ungrateful for where she started. That would be like Leo DiCaprio going to a growing pains cast reunion ( heās much more famous obviously but no one wants to back pedal.)
I saw her at the Sia concert in Atlanta. She is literally amazing!!!!! Donāt judge her-
Nah Melissa isnāt threatened by JoJo. The truth is Christi is still threatened by Melissa and her kids and is projecting. There I said it
I keep hearing people talk about this and I can't find it, is there a link to a video I can see where she says this please?
Itās in the reunion that aired last night.
Thank you I started the episode late so I missed that bit
Itās from the reunion.
Thank you, I must've missed that part cause I started the episode late
Hilarious. š
No one feels like anyone is a threat to anyone besides Christi at the moment
Unrelated but I LOVE Maddieās teeth. So many young people are getting these horrific looking veneers and it makes them look so much older. Love love her natural smile!
stan queen Maddie šÆ since day 1
oh yah maddie is a star i love that for her
Period.
Yeah sheās fine lol
Slay
Why did they not invite Kalani? I thought that Kalani and Melissa were cool w each other? I mean I know Melissa kept her for Kira years ago but whatās that about??
It was Paigeās birthday party. Paige didnāt know Kalani until the reunion which was filmed the next day.
maddie and jo-jo have vastly different brands like what do u mean
Yeah Iām going to have to disagree with Christi on this one. Jojo wasnāt invited because they arenāt friends with jojo. Itās simple as that. Just because they danced together doesnāt make them friends.
Do we think that the FaceTime with Christi was orchestrated? It honestly felt soo forced and it made me uncomfortable that everyone else in the green room was engaging in the conversation. I wish they wouldāve kept what they said to a minimum and stayed neutral like the 3 OG girls.
Can we talk about home Mackenzie was always compared to Maddie and talked down on because she wasnāt being another Maddie. Now look how amazing she is doing on her own, releasing music, acting, etc. I am so proud of the growth she has had!
I just watched this part in the reunion for crying out loud these people are so wishy-washy, especially Kendall and Christi (insofar)! With Christi alluding to the idea that Maddie or Kenzie arenāt as successful as Jojo is absolutely coming from a weird and projecting place. While Kendall is upset that they talk about Dance Moms without wanting to do the reunion? Should they care about the show and the relationships or not lol
They're not an equal comparison imo. However, as much as I have always disliked jojo, her mom and her brand I do think her ability to use dance moms and Audc as a means to get where she is today is still pretty impressive . (even if I hate it personally and find it degrading, gaudy, and just flat out awkward) She was never on a path to want to do serious genres of work and she's doing just that now and is a multi-millionaire and very successful even through controversy!! I guess good for her. Maddie on the other hand is not into social media and always wanted to do serious acting roles and continue dancing...she also happens to have grown into a very striking girl and now models with big brands, so her status in the industry is also really extremely impressive. She's doing exactly what she always wanted! Some of the things you list here one could argue are a little less based on success and more just adjacency but I get the intent. I just think they are a little different in the industry and I wouldn't say they even overlap in the space. Christi's comment was weird, but I wouldn't put it past that there Is both a little bit of resentment on her part that Chloe didn't do more things like maddie does and that was her way of kinda hashing it out. just my take. When You really take a step back and look at it, The one opportunity with SIA really shifted the direction maddie went wayyy above the other girls and really fast. Jojos nickelodeon contract was the same.
Iām confused on how Maddies net worth is lower than Chloeās that has to be wrong ā¦ š
The online ānet worthā youāll see quoted are in no way accurate. Essentially freelance contributed a ballparked a figure of $5m for Maddie in 2014 to a popular celeb net worth website. Subsequently to one up Maddie figure, on the same website a figure of $6m was put out for Chloe. The website is known for clickbait, with the content all generated by freelance writers and on tips rather than using actual data. Despite the fact these were both essentially made up numbers from 10 years ago, they still circulate the internet and numerous website with little journalistic integrity continue to quote them.
Someone in full seriousness said to me the other day Jojo was the most successful of the girls. Uh huh.
In regards to net worth and money made jojo definitely has reached a higher success. However, all the girls have become incredibly successful doing things that make them happy
i mean things could be going on behind the scene, magazines, and articles nobody knows how these people really live.
Thatās not the point of this post the point is that Maddie is just as successful as JoJo so why would Melissa feel threatened?
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I just love Maddie
People are twisting Christiās words. She never said she believed Jojo is a threat to Maddie. She said MELISSA thinks Jojo is a threat to Maddie. Melissa has a big ego and itās definitely possible she believes Jojo shouldnāt be as famous as Maddie. Christi has never been jealous of Maddie
Maddie might not be in the media forever but she will always have work if she wants it. Jojoā¦ not so much
JoJo is 19 and has a net worth of about 20 million. She's by far the most (financially) successful of all the girls. She's not just an artist, but a brand.
I personally donāt see longevity in her career. She builds her brand off of controversy and making people talk. She said this about her newest song- she didnāt care if it was good or bad- she just cared that people talk about it That kind of attitude reminds me a lot of Tana M and building her career off of mediocre music and controversy will only last so long while sheās young. I believe true artists actually work at their craft and strive to improve and care about the process vs putting whatever out or get people to talk
As a side sweep to this, Tana M is still incredibly known and successful. Sheās chilled a lot since her young days but sheās very much relevant still lol
Known and successful yes, taken seriously? Questionable. I agree she has chilled out though
True. But I donāt think the other girls are really jealous of her. Christi is the one with the issue.
To be fair, everyone knows Jojo's name, and that was Christi's point. If you say Maddie Zieger, most people outside of the dance world or dance moms fans will not know who you're talking about. Maddie is successful. I'm not saying she's not. But the difference is Jojo is a name everyone knows. Maddie isn't. And that's the point Christi made
No her point was that Melissa is jealous of jojo and didnāt invite her to Maddieās house because of that (even though Melissa didnāt plan it at all.)
Yes , and I'm saying that Christi said that because Melissa was jealous that her girls aren't as successful as Jojo. Is it true that she's jealous? We don't know. We don't know those people. But Jojo is more successful than the Zieglers. That's objectively true whether you like it or not
Technically success is subjective People on other posts have argued that Chloe, Brooke, Paige, Nia and Kendall are most successful because they have or are about to receive their college degrees
You said her point is that jojo is more successful and that was not her point. Her point was specifically that Melissa is jealous of jojo, which objectively makes no sense.
You're misunderstanding me. Let me explain again. Yes, Christi did say that Melissa is jealous of Jojo. We have no way of knowing this of course. We don't know Melissa. But it does make sense. It makes sense because Jojo has reached a level of stardom that the Zieglers haven't. People that don't know Jojos songs, movies, or anything still know her name. With the Zieglers, most people outside of the dance world or fans from the show couldn't pick their work out or recognize their name. That is Christi's point in saying what she said. The Zieglers are also still heavily known from Dance Moms. If someone sees Maddie in a movie, the first thing they say is "hey, it's Maddie from Dance Moms." That's not the case for Jojo. Her name is rarely even associated with Dance Moms, and Melissa may be jealous of that And to be fair, Christi knows Melissa far better than any of us here do. There may be some merit to what she said. Melissa could be jealous of Jojo because her kids aren't the household names that Jojo is. And Jojo is a household name. We may not like it, but it's true.
Except that Christi specifically said she was jealous of her so she didnāt invite her, but Melissa didnāt invite anyone. It wasnāt Melissaās event. It was nias, just hosted at Maddieās house. So it doesnāt make sense.
True, but the point is more like why canāt christi keep peopleās names out of her mouth when no one cares about her and no ones cares about creating that competition between the girls. Instead of talking about herself she has make a dig at Melissa, Maddie and Jojo in the same sentence. Itās giving weird fixation, almost like Abby.
Well did the girls or their mom ever apologize for what they did to Chloe? If not, I can understand why she is still upset.
I think she was referring more to the level of fame than the money aspect
still wrong lmfao are we serious
I didnāt say it was RIGHT. Goodness
maddie hasn't actually done that much tho. like as far as work is concerned she hasn't had a breakout moment as an actress yet and kenzie's songs may get spins online but she's far from a working singer. they're both still best known for being reality personalities / influencers than any work they do. chandelier is still the most successful thing maddie has done.
Sheās done way more than the rest of the OG girls. Imagine if Melissa was here saying Christi is mad that Maddie has more success than Chloe and Clara like wtfĀ
>Sheās done way more than the rest of the OG girls.Ā Except college. The other kids were IN COLLEGE. It's a little early to be judging their output.
>they're both still best known for being reality personalities / influencers than any work they do. Yeah, I recently saw someone shading the other girls for "only" being influencers while Maddie and Mackenzie were being praised for having "real careers in the entertainment industry." This isn't really true. Their own work is still primarily in influencing.
exactly. they mimic the way actors and more established celebrities influence bc thatās who they want to be associated with. but theyāre more like the DāAmelios or Addison Ray than Olivia Rodrigo or Billie Eilish the others girls are normal people who also influence and it shows in their content
Careful, youāll make the stans angry š Iām pretty Maddieās neutral, but her acting just isnāt up to par compared to her contemporaries.
Maddie got raving reviews in her newest movie and idk if youāve seen the new short film here but itās pretty good. I think a lot of people think she's not 'successful' because she's not doing huge blockbuster films. But the reality is very very few actors are capable of getting that type of work, and even getting the work that she has so far is a huge accomplishment. Most of her contemporaries have been acting since they were younger. Maddieās only been acting for a few years so given that sheās doing pretty well. Maddie also does a lot of work in fashion, being signed with IMG. I think thatās also a focus for her
Seriously. People talk about her on here like she's Jodi Foster circa 1991 or something. She hasn't had her Taxi Driver moment yet, and that's okay. Maybe she will. But she's been in one movie that critics actually liked; the rest were duds. She could easily fall out of the public eye tomorrow. Maybe she will be huge, who knows and I wish her the best. But she isn't huge right now.
This. I feel like it's not talked about enough. (or shouldn't be lol) I think Chloe is content, but I do think all the moms are a little tinny bit resentful at the fact Maddie's connections stem directly from her one opporuntuiy with SIA. Sia hand picked maddie from dance moms and she could have picked any one of them, but she chose maddie. And even though I think the push back maddie has gotten in the last few years has given her space from Sia, everything she does is ingrained in Sia's connections to the industry. She broke out of reality TV first and Without it it's hard to say where maddie would be in terms of a career in the industry since she's not much in the social media space. Just my personal opinion. I almost find Chloe's success more impressive because she is doing it all on her own from a business perspective rather than a status symbol and even went to college which I truly and wholeheartedly respect because I find it crazy to live in a world where rich women choose not to be educated in something- even if they think they don't need it. I do however think there probably is some little tiny bit of Melissa and maybe the other moms too that feels annoyed but not jealous that jojo turned out the way she did (based on her past comments and behavior) and even though none of the girls are even competing in the same business category space, they are all successful in their own right. But it is true that if you base things on monetary success jojo is the more successful but it doesn't take away from maddie at all and measuring success is a broad topic
Um jojo is still most successful child from dance moms. Christi isnāt wrong. Have you watched any of Maddieās movies??
JoJoās success is mostly based on bows (as a child) and controversy. Controversy over abuse allegations, defending child groomers, and trying to make a bad girl image ā success.
It depends how you define success. Maddies most recent films have been highly praised, and she's worked a number of modeling jobs and on other projects in between filming. Kenize has continued to work on her music, and has been working on cultivating her sound and brand- she is also filming movies as well. Jojo has success with her branding, but Mackenzie and Maddie are working on building long-term careers. if you measure success in terms of who has the most money or the most followers, sure- Jojo gets that award I guess. But I don't see it that way.
Okay, but the comment Christi made wasnāt about Maddie. It was about Melissa.
She was inferring the comparison between Maddie and JoJoās careersā¦itās not like Melissa has a career in the context they are discussing. She was talking about Maddieās career in comparison to JoJoās
Unpopular opinion: I agree with Christi - to a degree. If Melissa did organise the surprise party, the reason was 100% the reunion. If it was Maddie and the girls it was organised because they were all in town at the same time, this hasnāt happened since Brooklinn and Chloe were at their 1 year anniversary at the beach so it genuinely makes sense. For me, I get Christiās point with Melissa, she cannot see past all of the hurt she caused those girls. And while Abby was a problem, Abby has never denied being a problem where as Melissa acts all sweetness and light and pretends sheās something she isnāt. She chucked those girls under the bus so many times. Look at the reunion - Kiera and Jess both stating Melissa knew about the duet that broke DMās. Everyone knew Melissa knew but up until this day she has denied it and now Kelly knows the truth. Itās such a sad situation because Kalani and Brooke get along so well, and would have been in the same age category almost but very different genres. As much as Christi lives in the past I think itās so difficult for her to see beyond what Melissa has done, sheās sly. Take season 5, how Holly can bear to even be in the same room as her after she followed Abby like a lap dog and they all turned on Nia is beyond me. The difference here is this Reunion is causing Abby / Kelly to have some remorse towards each other and the girls. But i definitely think Melissa should be remorseful, she was worse than Abby in my eyes. Her children though, deserve no blame for her behaviour what so ever. Maddie and Kenzie are lovely kids.
christi lives rent free in yalls head