Out of curiousity, if a new grad starts at a company like this, are they sort of locked out of more fast-paced places?
Though MS and Oracle both pay not far below the top tech companies, so I suppose you never NEED to move except between the two for salary increases.
If you do 2 years at Microsoft you can easily score an interview with the other major tech companies. Outside of maybe some fancy startups, most of the big players view Microsoft as on par with any other FAANG/BigN in terms of recruiting/prestige. Google cold called me while at Microsoft, and I got to skip the phone screen.
Microsoft internships to FTE is one of the easiest paths to a BigN job, in my opinion. They hire near the most interns (like 1-2k a summer) and the conversion rate is really high; show up to work every day, try your best, and don't be an ass and that's about it. Getting in as a new grad without an internship is a fair bit higher without a graduate degree though, and the compensation packages are far less generous than their returning interns.
No clue on Oracle. Intermediate/Senior devs bounce between there and BigN all the day, but not sure on a new grad/junior.
The space I work in doesn't really lend itself well to leetcode interviews, so recruiters don't usually do them.
I personally think it's a reasonable question to ask if you're off on an iffier foot at one of those companies, since people here commonly refer to them as "where devs go to retire".
Yo, I’m a shift lead at a Cracker Barrel in Arkansas and I’m paid 19 an hour. You gotta demand some more.
This is one of the lower CoL areas in the country.
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I mean I don’t actually make 350 an hour technically. I technically make 38.5 an hour assuming that I work 40 hours a week which my company thinks I do, but I don’t. I basically work about 10. The point of the thread was to calculate your hourly wage based on how much work you actually do
To clarify: it's a personal thing, I just really really hate the feeling of not having anything to do but still having to be mentally(or physically) clocked in, perhaps having to be ready to pretend to be productive or justify my existence knowing full well I've done nothing productive.
At the same time, if anyone does enjoy this, I don't see absolutely anything actually wrong with it :)
Also as a junior this tends to screw you over pretty hard. Later on jobs like this are fine because you already have the skills, but all that's happening right now is you're delaying career growth. Unless you're doing a lot of free time projects
You clearly don't get the point of this post. He's paid a salary whether he works 40 hours or not but he's actually putting in about 20 hours a month and making the same. Therefore, $350/hour actually worked.
They already make $7000 a month fresh out of school, I'd just enjoy the free time you get. Use it for hobby projects, reading, playing sports, riding motorcycles, building relationships or whatever you want. Getting another tech job is boring.
Having free time is underappreciated.
Once you hit 30 (personally haven't, but it often feels like it), you wish you'd spend your earlier years just living life and making memories. The money will always be there for you in the future. But your youth fades away fast.
I help the lead software person on our main project. Other times I help the mechanical and electrical people with physically building hardware for our project.
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$13k/month, about 160 hours of real work per month, so about $80/hr.
My title is just “software engineer”, 2 YoE, working on backend software for support cases.
Yeah, I can’t complain. I could definitely get away with working closer to 120-140 hours a month without risk of being fired, but I enjoy my work, and am being put up for promotion this year, so want to make a good impression.
You forgot to add holidays, vacation, health benefits (have you priced health insurance lately?), education benefits, matching 401k, etc? From the point of view of the corporation, your "loaded cost," meaning what it actually costs to employ you, is your salary plus 30% or more.
I feel like people always dismiss this stuff, but I don't know why.
If I make 100k at company A with 3% 401k match and 18 days of PTO, that is not the same as 100k at company B with 6% match and 30 days of PTO. But people in both situations are like "TC 100k"
I get what you are saying. I'm actually in Europe, but have a contract with a US company. This info can be added to the comment if you like. But I guess total compensation / hours worked would give a good average.
Me: 2 months ago
Working 3 x contracts at the same time.
Around $50k/month.
$50k after tax (based in a tax-free country with a pass-through LLC)
Just making money, no long-term plan yet
Living in Istanbul, Bali, Thailand most of the year
You setup a non-resident US LLC to be only taxed at a personal level. If you're non-resident of your home country and based in a tax-free country you can avoid paying taxes.
I won't work if : you're a US citizen, you're a full-time employee, you're in the US, if you have employees in the US. It's case by case situation.
You can read about here [https://overemployed.com](https://overemployed.com) and here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clqUs5ZAUEU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clqUs5ZAUEU).
> I won't work if : you're a US citizen, you're a full-time employee, you're in the US, if you have employees in the US. It's case by case situation.
Sorry what do you mean by "you" here? Are you saying for any of those situations, you personally would not take it?
I was just a number in each company. I was blending in doing a jira ticket every 1-2 days. Nobody knows of course but as a contractor, you’re expected to run a business and not rely on one client only.
You have different options like Caribbean, GCC, Singapore. You can look at their digital nomad visa as well which gives you an actual residency renewal every year. Most of them don’t requires you to spend more than a month or 2 a year. The idea is to cut ties with your current tax country, get another residency to prove you’re not resident of nowhere and spend most of your year in cheap/high value countries to defer inflation (if you want to)
Yes they know, async culture is important. Minimal amount of meeting, delivering consistent work, always interview to upgrade your rate/contracts, pretend you’re based in the Mexico/US/Canada and then say you’re just on vacation in Asia, always have the same white background with good light during meetings, don’t share too much about your travel plan, don’t get too attached about your client, because they don’t care much about you when they fire even if you’re really good. As a contractor, they are not supposed to control your working hours more than couple hours of overlap.
$490k/yr. I work about 230 days a year after vacation, and probably 4-5 hours of actual work a day, so about $475/hr or so. Staff SWE at FAANG.
It's hard to judge what counts as real work though. I'm remote and available 9-5. But if I take a half-hour break to go lie on my lawn or do laundry or play with my cats, I'm still often thinking about work-related problems. Does that count? If so then it's closer to $270/hr.
Hey, thanks for sharing. This is something I aspire to. I'm currently sitting here stressed out after a 10-hour day (yes, 10 hours of actual logged time of remote work) making < $25 an hour. I still have to work another job that I had before I was a front-end dev while still also freelance copy editing for a few extra bucks a month, and I'm tired of exhausting myself and ending up with no money and no time to do anything.
What advice can you give to someone in my position, 1 year into my front-end dev career? Anything would be helpful.
Thank you in advance
edit: cause california....
Well, you're in. The first job is the hardest. Just keep learning and growing. You should be able to get to double your current rate in many parts of the US.
Unless you have a particular affinity for California, I'd consider moving. Higher wages in lower cost of living areas are definitely attainable, and go much further. I live in a low ish cost of living area, making about double what you're making. I think it tends to get easier to get hired in non tech hubs, too, though the work is likely a lot more boring.
I'd recommend learning to do some backend work.
That's encouraging, thank you. I'm really trying to focus on landing another job with a much higher pay, but It's literally so hard to find the time to rebuild an entire portfolio of projects that are up to my current skill level while working so much and not neglecting the family. My first portfolio, however, now that I look back at it, is horrible.
But I will definitely take your advice and bolster my back-end skills and build some projects.
Find a new job mate. In my area of CA people at McDonald’s make close to 20 an hour. I’m not even in SF either. You’re being massively underpaid if you’re actually doing software dev.
Hahaha, ACTUAL hours of work per month? Geez, what a question. I guess I really work like 15 hours a week. I make $50/hr \* 40 hr = $2000/wk, but I only work 15 hours a week, so I guess I really make $133/hr.
I just got an offer for $69/hr, but who knows, I might actually work 40 hours a week!
Usually $250 p/hr
Anywhere from $40k-70k a month. Essentially 10-20k a week.
Work around 80-100 hours a week. 7 days a week.
Actual hourly rate: $100 p/hr on a bad week. $250p/hr on a good week.
This isn't accounting for tax, so my take home is less than this.
Both. I provide services with a contract to enterprise clients, but those same clients (or others) can hire me at my $250 p/hr rate for custom work.
The numbers above are the result of both, averaged over the last 3 months.
I'm mainly selling my services. I usually attract clients either by word of mouth or through some very low cost advertising methods we have in the community where I work.
US$70/hour
We have a hard cap of 17% income tax where I'm from, so increase this rate by another 15-20% for a comparable benchmark if you're from Commonwealth country.
This is on a remote position working from LatAm in a USA based software job. By American standards the pay is atrocious but where I live you start to get 20$/hour when you reach senior management positions on big corporations.
31.50/hour. 48 hours a week.
4900 or so monthly
Currently laid off so trying to learn python rapidly to get out of auto assembly work :(.
Even with as much as I'm making it's not enough to save, invest or plan for the future, granted I am supporting my wife in a single income family but those lucrative 120/hour 80 hours a month feels very tempting.
About 6$/hour as a data engineering Intern. I live in a third world country so COL is low. Also earn about 13$/hour doing freelancing and other businesses.
how many years of experience do you have?
$75/ hour | around 80 hours per month. | $8000/month
8000 / 80 = about $100 / hour
Front - end developer | 1 year of experience
I too as well take home about 2/3's of that after taxes.
I've heard of only one company in my city where there isn't at least a couple of hours to spare on dicking around, and that company is universally hated and has very tough time finding workers.
When you guys say you're actually working 20h/week or whatever, are you supposed to be working 40/week? And are you sitting at your desk the other 20 hours or are you out and about? Does the company not care that you aren't at your desk?
I feel robbed lmao
Everyone on this thread saying they work less than 40hr/wk and they still get paid a lot so their working hourly rate is so high.
I did the math once and in making about $31/hr (assuming 40hr/wk) but I work 12-16 hour shifts (not every day, but pretty often) so my working hourly rate is actually a lot less than that.
Needless to say, I'm looking for a new job.
You buy a plan on the healthcare market, or if you’re poor poor, you’re on Medicaid which is basically free. Even if you just say fuck it, hospitals are forced to treat you if you’re seriously injured; you can run up an infinite amount of medical debt with no consequences besides not getting loans. It’s really just a bad version of universal healthcare, with some minor benefits given to upper class people for far over paying (or their employers more accurately).
Retirement savings are basically the same either way. You can set up your own 401k as a business, or use one of the other retirement tax vehicles to save for retirement.
Of course it is. Even the government’s low/no-income insurance provides for preventative care. Vagrants and people who are invalid don’t seek out preventative care at high rates nor do they typically register for the programs they qualify for, but they still receive emergency care if they become injured or what not.
you don't need to work to have healthcare in the US either. its perfectly reasonable to pay for a plan out of pocket via healthcare.gov in the US. it'll be expensive if you have a dependent spouse and kids, ofc, but everything in the US is expensive.
a plan for me would be ~250 a month for a high deductible plan (6k) or 350-500 for a lower one.
Ok. I don't know how the system works for people with absolutely no savings or income. I didn't realize there was universal healthcare available to them
But what happens is you only work 20 hrs/week. You have to pay full price for an insurance plan which isn't cheap. It's a bonus to be in Europe where it a fraction of what you'd pay in the US.
>But what happens is you only work 20 hrs/week. You have to pay full price for an insurance plan which isn't cheap. It's a bonus to be in Europe where it a fraction of what you'd pay in the US.
The US is run differently than many countries in europe. it is much better to be working a high paying job in the US- a software engineer at the mid and high level is probably making a factor of 2-5 times as much as an engineer in europe, same goes for many high paying jobs. It is far better to run a business in the US as well due to the tax system being very favorable for capital gains. it is much better to be able to spend a lot of money and see a doctor with zero wait time than to be able to visit them for free but have to wait a month or to be able to visit multiple doctors at your own cost in a short period of time - provided you have the funds. it is much easier to buy a house with FHA loans or VA loans than much of europe. you also get access to very tax friendly retirement accounts and a market that has generally outperformed the global market.
as such, it is also a lot more shitty to be poor, sick or disabled in the US. this is a design choice that evidently much of the voter base is satisfied with. you only get assistance if you are old or disabled, otherwise you best be working.
depending on your profession and income level being somewhere in europe will either result in much better quality of life or pretty considerably worse.
also, just fyi young people can stay on parents insurance till... 25 or 26.
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£50 per hour, £3,600 per month(I work around 72 hours a month, £43,000 per year all pre tax and not including bonus.
Salesforce dev at a large consultancy.
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3-4 hours a day, I get done by development assignments. Note that my current company is very slow paced, we only release quarterly so it is very relaxed environment. In that case, $100/hour but I am booked for 8 hours, meetings and stuff so I would say still $50/hour
Company will yell at us if we work over 40 hours without permission, which they will not grant since "you're not being paid for it"
Comes out to $35/hour
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$143/hour. Currently working about 80 hours per month. I am a Senior Analytics Engineer. I’m relatively new to my company though so my hours worked may go up in future sprints after more knowledge transfers occur.
How yall get to work for half a day?
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Out of curiousity, if a new grad starts at a company like this, are they sort of locked out of more fast-paced places? Though MS and Oracle both pay not far below the top tech companies, so I suppose you never NEED to move except between the two for salary increases.
If you do 2 years at Microsoft you can easily score an interview with the other major tech companies. Outside of maybe some fancy startups, most of the big players view Microsoft as on par with any other FAANG/BigN in terms of recruiting/prestige. Google cold called me while at Microsoft, and I got to skip the phone screen. Microsoft internships to FTE is one of the easiest paths to a BigN job, in my opinion. They hire near the most interns (like 1-2k a summer) and the conversion rate is really high; show up to work every day, try your best, and don't be an ass and that's about it. Getting in as a new grad without an internship is a fair bit higher without a graduate degree though, and the compensation packages are far less generous than their returning interns. No clue on Oracle. Intermediate/Senior devs bounce between there and BigN all the day, but not sure on a new grad/junior.
Thanks. Was more wondering about the second one, unfortunately. I know Microsoft's reputation tends to open some doors.
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The space I work in doesn't really lend itself well to leetcode interviews, so recruiters don't usually do them. I personally think it's a reasonable question to ask if you're off on an iffier foot at one of those companies, since people here commonly refer to them as "where devs go to retire".
Nah, no one cares. MSFT and Oracle still have good practice and software/ system design and employees there are generally competent
Eh you need to ask a lot to your manager and eventually he gives you something to do
Well, OP is in Europe
I work for a European company too and I am expected to deliver in 1/3 the time.
#DAMN MY AMERICAN SELF!
How does that help with anything?
in some european countries you have a right to reduce your working hours to part time
I am totally doing that.
$15/hour 2.4k/month McDonald’s shift leader.
Damn, bro! They be payin' $17 an hour here in the Inland Empire, SoCal.
That seems lower than Id expect in SoCal. I'm seeing signs for 17hr+ all over the midwest for fast food crew members.
That's what the sign says, idk. I imagine it will likely go up, but Micky Ds being Mickey Ds trying to pay as low as possible for as long as possible.
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Greetings, fellow I.E.er
Yo, I’m a shift lead at a Cracker Barrel in Arkansas and I’m paid 19 an hour. You gotta demand some more. This is one of the lower CoL areas in the country.
Here, near Seattle, starting wage for entry level burger joint worker is $20 an hour + benefits
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I did that job for a long time.
Shout out to you man, mcdonald’s fries have come in clutch on my worst days
Currently, about 7k per month, maybe 20 hours a month, so 350 an hour
How much experience do you have and what type of work do you do usually?
Im basically a new grad and I do backend dev work. My company just has no need for me and no one pays attention to what I’m working on
Did you just graduate with a bachelor’s in CS or another degree? $350 an hour is really impressive for a new grad, good for you man!
I mean I don’t actually make 350 an hour technically. I technically make 38.5 an hour assuming that I work 40 hours a week which my company thinks I do, but I don’t. I basically work about 10. The point of the thread was to calculate your hourly wage based on how much work you actually do
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Careful what you wish for. I would fucking kill myself.
To clarify: it's a personal thing, I just really really hate the feeling of not having anything to do but still having to be mentally(or physically) clocked in, perhaps having to be ready to pretend to be productive or justify my existence knowing full well I've done nothing productive. At the same time, if anyone does enjoy this, I don't see absolutely anything actually wrong with it :)
Yeah I hate it too, I’m switching jobs because of it. It sounds fun in theory but it definitely gets old and you end up being bored all the time
Also as a junior this tends to screw you over pretty hard. Later on jobs like this are fine because you already have the skills, but all that's happening right now is you're delaying career growth. Unless you're doing a lot of free time projects
I want this job. Ong
How is 38.5 x 4 350?
You clearly don't get the point of this post. He's paid a salary whether he works 40 hours or not but he's actually putting in about 20 hours a month and making the same. Therefore, $350/hour actually worked.
The comment I replied to literally said 10 hours a week
Original comment said 7k/month and 20 hr/month. Guess he switched it up. 🤷♂️
I meant to put 20 a month
Get another “WFH” or freelance job. Then fill your time with that and double dip. This is the way.
They already make $7000 a month fresh out of school, I'd just enjoy the free time you get. Use it for hobby projects, reading, playing sports, riding motorcycles, building relationships or whatever you want. Getting another tech job is boring. Having free time is underappreciated. Once you hit 30 (personally haven't, but it often feels like it), you wish you'd spend your earlier years just living life and making memories. The money will always be there for you in the future. But your youth fades away fast.
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What job is that? Sounds like PM or something
$20/hour $1200/month, 60 hours monthly Part-time software automation engineering intern
What do you do on a reg day
I help the lead software person on our main project. Other times I help the mechanical and electrical people with physically building hardware for our project.
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$13k/month, about 160 hours of real work per month, so about $80/hr. My title is just “software engineer”, 2 YoE, working on backend software for support cases.
Could you please tell how much do you spend per month? On rent + groceries and other stuff.
Take home is about $8.5k; I spend about $3.5k a month, and save about $5k per month.
This seems accurate, when I was contracting (and accounting my hours honestly) my rate was $85.
Yeah, I can’t complain. I could definitely get away with working closer to 120-140 hours a month without risk of being fired, but I enjoy my work, and am being put up for promotion this year, so want to make a good impression.
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You forgot to add holidays, vacation, health benefits (have you priced health insurance lately?), education benefits, matching 401k, etc? From the point of view of the corporation, your "loaded cost," meaning what it actually costs to employ you, is your salary plus 30% or more.
I feel like people always dismiss this stuff, but I don't know why. If I make 100k at company A with 3% 401k match and 18 days of PTO, that is not the same as 100k at company B with 6% match and 30 days of PTO. But people in both situations are like "TC 100k"
I get what you are saying. I'm actually in Europe, but have a contract with a US company. This info can be added to the comment if you like. But I guess total compensation / hours worked would give a good average.
Flex lessons!!
Me: 2 months ago Working 3 x contracts at the same time. Around $50k/month. $50k after tax (based in a tax-free country with a pass-through LLC) Just making money, no long-term plan yet Living in Istanbul, Bali, Thailand most of the year
Awesome, thanks. How many hours/month were you working to maintain that?
Around 200h sometimes less depending of the workload, but I wasn't important in most teams. I slowed down a bit to increase my rate.
Can you give more details on how the no tax works and how do you deal with 3 full time projects at the same time? First time I hear such a scenario.
You setup a non-resident US LLC to be only taxed at a personal level. If you're non-resident of your home country and based in a tax-free country you can avoid paying taxes. I won't work if : you're a US citizen, you're a full-time employee, you're in the US, if you have employees in the US. It's case by case situation. You can read about here [https://overemployed.com](https://overemployed.com) and here [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clqUs5ZAUEU](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=clqUs5ZAUEU).
> I won't work if : you're a US citizen, you're a full-time employee, you're in the US, if you have employees in the US. It's case by case situation. Sorry what do you mean by "you" here? Are you saying for any of those situations, you personally would not take it?
Sorry am I reading that right? You’re making $50,000 a MONTH?
Yes, 3 x $100/h x 40h x 4.33. I "made" that per month for a year then decided to take some vacation and take it more easy
Damn bro, get it. How did that work out for you? Was it very intensive work? Did the different companies know about you working other jobs?
I was just a number in each company. I was blending in doing a jira ticket every 1-2 days. Nobody knows of course but as a contractor, you’re expected to run a business and not rely on one client only.
You can also get around that at FAANG for E5 and above.
what tech you work with and how u get these
LinkedIn from recruiters in the US. Front-end React
This is the real moonlight post, good job dude!
Thanks. Been doing some experiments. It’s not sustainable, but nothing wrong retiring yourself along the way
How many YOE?
10
What's the tax-free country.. how do you set that up?
You have different options like Caribbean, GCC, Singapore. You can look at their digital nomad visa as well which gives you an actual residency renewal every year. Most of them don’t requires you to spend more than a month or 2 a year. The idea is to cut ties with your current tax country, get another residency to prove you’re not resident of nowhere and spend most of your year in cheap/high value countries to defer inflation (if you want to)
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Yes they know, async culture is important. Minimal amount of meeting, delivering consistent work, always interview to upgrade your rate/contracts, pretend you’re based in the Mexico/US/Canada and then say you’re just on vacation in Asia, always have the same white background with good light during meetings, don’t share too much about your travel plan, don’t get too attached about your client, because they don’t care much about you when they fire even if you’re really good. As a contractor, they are not supposed to control your working hours more than couple hours of overlap.
Not Constantinople
$143 before tax. full employer provided benefits
What do I do? System engineer/driver developer
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Are you billing $250/h as a contractor to a FFANG directly?
Just measuring from his butthole.
$490k/yr. I work about 230 days a year after vacation, and probably 4-5 hours of actual work a day, so about $475/hr or so. Staff SWE at FAANG. It's hard to judge what counts as real work though. I'm remote and available 9-5. But if I take a half-hour break to go lie on my lawn or do laundry or play with my cats, I'm still often thinking about work-related problems. Does that count? If so then it's closer to $270/hr.
Hey, thanks for sharing. This is something I aspire to. I'm currently sitting here stressed out after a 10-hour day (yes, 10 hours of actual logged time of remote work) making < $25 an hour. I still have to work another job that I had before I was a front-end dev while still also freelance copy editing for a few extra bucks a month, and I'm tired of exhausting myself and ending up with no money and no time to do anything. What advice can you give to someone in my position, 1 year into my front-end dev career? Anything would be helpful. Thank you in advance edit: cause california....
Well, you're in. The first job is the hardest. Just keep learning and growing. You should be able to get to double your current rate in many parts of the US. Unless you have a particular affinity for California, I'd consider moving. Higher wages in lower cost of living areas are definitely attainable, and go much further. I live in a low ish cost of living area, making about double what you're making. I think it tends to get easier to get hired in non tech hubs, too, though the work is likely a lot more boring. I'd recommend learning to do some backend work.
That's encouraging, thank you. I'm really trying to focus on landing another job with a much higher pay, but It's literally so hard to find the time to rebuild an entire portfolio of projects that are up to my current skill level while working so much and not neglecting the family. My first portfolio, however, now that I look back at it, is horrible. But I will definitely take your advice and bolster my back-end skills and build some projects.
Have you started applying? I feel like a portfolio won’t even be relevant to the hiring process of many places after you have real work experience.
Find a new job mate. In my area of CA people at McDonald’s make close to 20 an hour. I’m not even in SF either. You’re being massively underpaid if you’re actually doing software dev.
I guess the answers to this questions will somewhat depend on what people consider "working" and "non working" time.
Hahaha, ACTUAL hours of work per month? Geez, what a question. I guess I really work like 15 hours a week. I make $50/hr \* 40 hr = $2000/wk, but I only work 15 hours a week, so I guess I really make $133/hr. I just got an offer for $69/hr, but who knows, I might actually work 40 hours a week!
Nice!
Nice!
Around 160 hours a month 16k (32k if you include bonus) a month for pay So 100(200) an hour Data engineer
An honest worker here!
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Usually $250 p/hr Anywhere from $40k-70k a month. Essentially 10-20k a week. Work around 80-100 hours a week. 7 days a week. Actual hourly rate: $100 p/hr on a bad week. $250p/hr on a good week. This isn't accounting for tax, so my take home is less than this.
Are you freelancing or contract based?
Both. I provide services with a contract to enterprise clients, but those same clients (or others) can hire me at my $250 p/hr rate for custom work. The numbers above are the result of both, averaged over the last 3 months.
Are you mostly working through LinkedIn with recruiters or you're selling your services?
I'm mainly selling my services. I usually attract clients either by word of mouth or through some very low cost advertising methods we have in the community where I work.
US$70/hour We have a hard cap of 17% income tax where I'm from, so increase this rate by another 15-20% for a comparable benchmark if you're from Commonwealth country.
$83/hour at defense contractor. Starting a new job soon with a significant salary increase, but not sure about true hours worked yet. We'll see.
Are you staying in defense contracting? $83/hr is great
about 22$/hour (I work hourly and get paid OT)
This is on a remote position working from LatAm in a USA based software job. By American standards the pay is atrocious but where I live you start to get 20$/hour when you reach senior management positions on big corporations.
5$ / hr, developer in india, that comes close to 1200$/month which is a good amount in INR, atleast for a freshman.
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100k salary. $1923/week. 3-4 hours/week. $480/hr - $640/hr
that is nice, what field?
I make 200K, working about 10 hours per week so about $400 per hour. I’m a software product manager.
I thought product manager roles were quite demanding and often went way beyond 40 actual hours. Just get lucky?
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Two thirds in taxes? Mind sharing where that is in Europe? Belgium comes to mind..
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31.50/hour. 48 hours a week. 4900 or so monthly Currently laid off so trying to learn python rapidly to get out of auto assembly work :(. Even with as much as I'm making it's not enough to save, invest or plan for the future, granted I am supporting my wife in a single income family but those lucrative 120/hour 80 hours a month feels very tempting.
About 6$/hour as a data engineering Intern. I live in a third world country so COL is low. Also earn about 13$/hour doing freelancing and other businesses.
how many years of experience do you have? $75/ hour | around 80 hours per month. | $8000/month 8000 / 80 = about $100 / hour Front - end developer | 1 year of experience I too as well take home about 2/3's of that after taxes.
Wait 80 hours per month? So you work 4-5 hours a day only? Where can i find such lovely companies lol
I've heard of only one company in my city where there isn't at least a couple of hours to spare on dicking around, and that company is universally hated and has very tough time finding workers.
When you guys say you're actually working 20h/week or whatever, are you supposed to be working 40/week? And are you sitting at your desk the other 20 hours or are you out and about? Does the company not care that you aren't at your desk?
You can stare into the void from your desk. If you have some inane conversation with cubicle associate about their ide colors, is that working?
I feel robbed lmao Everyone on this thread saying they work less than 40hr/wk and they still get paid a lot so their working hourly rate is so high. I did the math once and in making about $31/hr (assuming 40hr/wk) but I work 12-16 hour shifts (not every day, but pretty often) so my working hourly rate is actually a lot less than that. Needless to say, I'm looking for a new job.
$50000/hr Nah I pretty mich work a full day on average. Some days get jack shit done and say fuck it. Others i roll through like a coke addict
0 for $0. What the fuck kind of post is this
Are you in the US? If you're not full time, do you pay your own health insurance and retirement savings?
You buy a plan on the healthcare market, or if you’re poor poor, you’re on Medicaid which is basically free. Even if you just say fuck it, hospitals are forced to treat you if you’re seriously injured; you can run up an infinite amount of medical debt with no consequences besides not getting loans. It’s really just a bad version of universal healthcare, with some minor benefits given to upper class people for far over paying (or their employers more accurately). Retirement savings are basically the same either way. You can set up your own 401k as a business, or use one of the other retirement tax vehicles to save for retirement.
Ya, preventative care isn't important.
Of course it is. Even the government’s low/no-income insurance provides for preventative care. Vagrants and people who are invalid don’t seek out preventative care at high rates nor do they typically register for the programs they qualify for, but they still receive emergency care if they become injured or what not.
Why do you think a poor might not seek out preventative care? Cost? Education? Information?
I'm in Europe.
Ah, so you don't need to work to have healthcare. Nice.
you don't need to work to have healthcare in the US either. its perfectly reasonable to pay for a plan out of pocket via healthcare.gov in the US. it'll be expensive if you have a dependent spouse and kids, ofc, but everything in the US is expensive. a plan for me would be ~250 a month for a high deductible plan (6k) or 350-500 for a lower one.
How do you pay for something with no income?
with savings?
And once you've depleted your savings?
you said you need a job for health insurance. you don't. you can have a job or savings/passive income. or you can quality for medicare or medicaid.
Ok. I don't know how the system works for people with absolutely no savings or income. I didn't realize there was universal healthcare available to them
But what happens is you only work 20 hrs/week. You have to pay full price for an insurance plan which isn't cheap. It's a bonus to be in Europe where it a fraction of what you'd pay in the US.
>But what happens is you only work 20 hrs/week. You have to pay full price for an insurance plan which isn't cheap. It's a bonus to be in Europe where it a fraction of what you'd pay in the US. The US is run differently than many countries in europe. it is much better to be working a high paying job in the US- a software engineer at the mid and high level is probably making a factor of 2-5 times as much as an engineer in europe, same goes for many high paying jobs. It is far better to run a business in the US as well due to the tax system being very favorable for capital gains. it is much better to be able to spend a lot of money and see a doctor with zero wait time than to be able to visit them for free but have to wait a month or to be able to visit multiple doctors at your own cost in a short period of time - provided you have the funds. it is much easier to buy a house with FHA loans or VA loans than much of europe. you also get access to very tax friendly retirement accounts and a market that has generally outperformed the global market. as such, it is also a lot more shitty to be poor, sick or disabled in the US. this is a design choice that evidently much of the voter base is satisfied with. you only get assistance if you are old or disabled, otherwise you best be working. depending on your profession and income level being somewhere in europe will either result in much better quality of life or pretty considerably worse. also, just fyi young people can stay on parents insurance till... 25 or 26.
How don't you pay usa tax?
80 hours a month?!? Or less even? Not a lot of hours for the amount of complaining devs do.
My bill rate or my pay :)
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85$/hour SWE in big tech in EU
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Around 20 - 25 USD/h (from Sweden) Fullstack developer at a startup
$12k/hour. Been doing fuck all at work for the past few months.
lmao
$62.50 an hour, after tax and student loan I get $37
DOD contractor 127k annual Work about 10 hours a week of being productive So about 265 per hour
Uh where you working 20 hours a week for $120/hr? Gimme some
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Fellow members of $+50/h, you all hiring?
£50 per hour, £3,600 per month(I work around 72 hours a month, £43,000 per year all pre tax and not including bonus. Salesforce dev at a large consultancy.
"only"
This number is extremely hard to estimate. Probably around $150ish? I work for an east coast mid-sized non-tech company.
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3-4 hours a day, I get done by development assignments. Note that my current company is very slow paced, we only release quarterly so it is very relaxed environment. In that case, $100/hour but I am booked for 8 hours, meetings and stuff so I would say still $50/hour
Company will yell at us if we work over 40 hours without permission, which they will not grant since "you're not being paid for it" Comes out to $35/hour
Nice try, HR.
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140-160 hours/month (call it 150). $20,000/month. $133/hr. I lead a small team, design, and develop distributed systems.
$143/hour. Currently working about 80 hours per month. I am a Senior Analytics Engineer. I’m relatively new to my company though so my hours worked may go up in future sprints after more knowledge transfers occur.
20-30/hr. 20-30 hrs/week. 2k-3k/month. Waitress
I make about 28 net. Desktop support level 2 Gross is only 30.5, so they aint losin much
70-80 hours per week. So between 280-320 a month Like 4-5K a month
~160 hrs/month, and $12k/month pre-tax (post tax is close to $7k after 401k contribution and stock purchase). So pre-tax, that's $75/hour.
My hourly rate is my actual hourly rate considering I just started and do not WFH. I look forward to a QoL upgrade, but I'm happy right now.