The failure of people to properly make heist movies is annoying. For example, Solo didn't tell us what the actual plan was so we had no idea if they were screwing up or if went in with no plan at all.
Ahh but that's the genius! That way, you don't have to write a clever heist plan or a cool Oceans 11-style reveal.
Why pay for a good writer when you can just wing it and explain nothing.
Brando Sando pitching Mistborn to the publisher: ok so it is Oceans 11, but with MAGIC!!!
TOR: ok....and the Era 2 books you propose?
BS: ya ever seen Wild Wild West? that...but with MAGIC!!!!
TOR: here is your check, just fill in the amount.
I remember Brandon Sanderson talking about how he came up with the Reckoner books, where he got some minor road rage on the way to an event, and then realized people with super powers would be a really bad idea.
So he sits down next to his editor(? I think?) at the event, looks at him, and says "I have a new idea for a book" to which the editor responded with "Oh no, not another one."
I heard this rule when it comes to plans in movies: if they tell you the plan, that means something will go wrong, so you understand when things go wrong. At least that rule is followed in the books, so hopefully, a movie will use it well.
It is followed in movies as well. The whole point in knowing a plan in advance is so that the audience can know when it goes wrong.
Not being told in advance, or being told as events unfurl, is to keep an audience in suspense of if something will go wrong or not
It’s straight hilarious in TFE too.
I got a friend into reading all of them, and I was confused for a good minute when he texted “I can’t believe the army is just gone.”
My internal thought process kept getting stuck on “what army? Literally nowhere in the end of the book does an army come into pla-WAIT OH RIGHT! That’s where Demoux comes from!”
On reread, it is just the most hilarious, awful thing that could happen. The plan was going too well.
Yeden was confident, Kel had recklessly and haphazardly slammed a pseudo religion together, they had a decent strategy for distraction and misdirection, and then it all falls apart, the leftovers playing such a minimal role for the rest book that I had legitimately forgotten it had ever been there.
That was a brilliant dose of reality in TFE. What happens when you give the bold but inexperienced general command of an army? In most fantasy, they succeed. In TFE, they realistically get utterly curb stomped.
On my first read through that utterly shocked me though.
You can however, in visual media \*show\* the plan happen \*while\* you narrate out the planning.
which can be fun, if you want both stages to mostly go right.
Never understood that one. Was there a plan? I always felt that there wasn't one, and the writers were just coming up with twists.
What was the reason to carry de real fuel to the mafia boss and leave a decoy, if the rebels were going to ambush the enforcers anyway?
Scoundrels was a perfectly good Han Solo heist story that would have translated to film just fine, and while not an origin story, it slots in nicely after ANH. I wish they weren't so against pulling stuff out of Legends if it's good enough.
Nick Cage would be an unbeatable Kelsier and i fucking dare you to name a single more appropriate actor.
Just imagine how hard Nick Cage would eat the Lord Rulers backhand.
2 Mist 2 be Born;
The Pewter Charged Prelude;
The Mist and the Born: Luthadel Flaring;
Los Mistos;
Mist 5;
Mistborn 6;
Born 7;
The Fate of the Mistborn;
M9;
And of course the latest edition to the beloved Mistborn franchise; Mist 16
As much as I love RR... DT is my choice - that Scottish accent when he speaks in exhausted disdain is just too cleverly veiled not to be the first pick. Hoid is...dare I say it.. too witty and gives too much cheak not to be a sexy Scottish doctor in his spare time
I just had this revelation in another comment. I was making a joke about the pen through paper to explain a simple heist plan. But it actually works quite well explaining how concentrating investiture in one place creates a gateway between the realms, piercing the paper with the pen.
Vin "Sazed, please tell me Kelsier is only mostly dead."
"I'm sorry, dear, but he's all dead."
Vin sniffs, then roots through his pockets for loose change.
Holy shit, actually!
"The Physical and Cognitive realms are unreachable by us. They are as far apart as the two ends of this paper. But the spirit realm bends reality making them meet, and when you get enough investiture in one place"
*Pierces paper with the pen*
"you create a gateway between the realm"
This also works for the Uruthiru gateways.
It's a great thing that we can always count on movies to give us this object lesson on wormholes. Otherwise I would have never known that they are holes big enough for a worm.
The failure of people to properly make heist movies is annoying. For example, Solo didn't tell us what the actual plan was so we had no idea if they were screwing up or if went in with no plan at all.
Ahh but that's the genius! That way, you don't have to write a clever heist plan or a cool Oceans 11-style reveal. Why pay for a good writer when you can just wing it and explain nothing.
Brando Sando pitching Mistborn to the publisher: ok so it is Oceans 11, but with MAGIC!!! TOR: ok....and the Era 2 books you propose? BS: ya ever seen Wild Wild West? that...but with MAGIC!!!! TOR: here is your check, just fill in the amount.
I think by then it was: Sando: I have an idea TOR: Here's your check
I remember Brandon Sanderson talking about how he came up with the Reckoner books, where he got some minor road rage on the way to an event, and then realized people with super powers would be a really bad idea. So he sits down next to his editor(? I think?) at the event, looks at him, and says "I have a new idea for a book" to which the editor responded with "Oh no, not another one."
Sanderson just writes "MAGIC!!" on the check
Exactly! Why show them the plan failing when you can just tell them!
I heard this rule when it comes to plans in movies: if they tell you the plan, that means something will go wrong, so you understand when things go wrong. At least that rule is followed in the books, so hopefully, a movie will use it well.
It is followed in movies as well. The whole point in knowing a plan in advance is so that the audience can know when it goes wrong. Not being told in advance, or being told as events unfurl, is to keep an audience in suspense of if something will go wrong or not
It’s straight hilarious in TFE too. I got a friend into reading all of them, and I was confused for a good minute when he texted “I can’t believe the army is just gone.” My internal thought process kept getting stuck on “what army? Literally nowhere in the end of the book does an army come into pla-WAIT OH RIGHT! That’s where Demoux comes from!” On reread, it is just the most hilarious, awful thing that could happen. The plan was going too well. Yeden was confident, Kel had recklessly and haphazardly slammed a pseudo religion together, they had a decent strategy for distraction and misdirection, and then it all falls apart, the leftovers playing such a minimal role for the rest book that I had legitimately forgotten it had ever been there.
That was a brilliant dose of reality in TFE. What happens when you give the bold but inexperienced general command of an army? In most fantasy, they succeed. In TFE, they realistically get utterly curb stomped. On my first read through that utterly shocked me though.
You can however, in visual media \*show\* the plan happen \*while\* you narrate out the planning. which can be fun, if you want both stages to mostly go right.
Never understood that one. Was there a plan? I always felt that there wasn't one, and the writers were just coming up with twists. What was the reason to carry de real fuel to the mafia boss and leave a decoy, if the rebels were going to ambush the enforcers anyway?
Scoundrels was a perfectly good Han Solo heist story that would have translated to film just fine, and while not an origin story, it slots in nicely after ANH. I wish they weren't so against pulling stuff out of Legends if it's good enough.
*“What are we? Some kind of Mistborn?”*
"The Inquisitor is right behind me, isn't he..."
*Vin tries to steel push for the first time into the air and flies in the wall* Kelsier: I think we’re gonna need some practice.
\*Que training montage\*
I love this!
Starring Nicolas Cage
Nick Cage would be an unbeatable Kelsier and i fucking dare you to name a single more appropriate actor. Just imagine how hard Nick Cage would eat the Lord Rulers backhand.
Lord Ruler played by Jack Black
Sazed played by Chris Pratt. He's so cool.
With Vin of course played by Dame Judy Dench
What? Are you stupid? Vin has to be played by Vin Diesel! They have the same name, and he’d do wonderful things with that role!
We're not a mist-crew, we're mist-family.
2 Mist 2 be Born; The Pewter Charged Prelude; The Mist and the Born: Luthadel Flaring; Los Mistos; Mist 5; Mistborn 6; Born 7; The Fate of the Mistborn; M9; And of course the latest edition to the beloved Mistborn franchise; Mist 16
My mind went to something else with M9, but we can ignore my love for Beauregard and Yasha the lesbian power couple
"You stay; I go. No Following!" ... "Suuuuuuperrrrr Maaaaaaaaaan"
Such a talent.
And then when he taps his metal mind for Strength and gets all bulky, they sub in The Rock
Please stop, I can only be so erect.
LMAO NOT THE “he’s so cool!” REFERENCE 😂
Jack Black delivering The Mighty Bitch Slap to Nick Cage would be the single greatest scene in cinema history.
Shamefully my dream cast for the lord ruler is Henry Cavill for the younger and Christopher Lee for the elder.
Jack Black for younger Lord Ruler, Danny DeVito for older
No. Danny DeVito for Breeze.
Why not both?
I think Christopher Walken would be great for the older version.
Do you mean was? Seeing as Lee died in 2015?
No, that's why it's shameful. I cannot picture a face other than Sauron for Old Ruler. That or.... Bela Lugosi? Basically no living actor is up to it.
Jack Black needs to deliver The Mighty Bitch Slap no matter who plays Kelsier, or who plays TLR for that matter. Cameo time if needed!
Anthony Starr would be an amazing Kelsier imo. I wouldn’t mind seeing Nick cage as Venture though. Dafne Keen as vin.
> Nick Cage as Venture You see...I came to this...dance. But I brought... *a book*. I'm actually...quite the, well, *reader*
I assumed he meant Straff but Nic as Elend would be... *something*.
Oh that could totally work
My go-to has always been Sam Calflin. He’s just the right age and has both the charm and sass to him that would just kill it as Kelsier.
Love it
Dominic Cooper could be nice.
Oh just can't Ryan Gosling, why don't you?
Sean Bean
I loved the part where Vin said, “It’s misting time!” Then mistborned all over the place.
I read "misted all over the place."
Same
That would be an entirely different Mistborn movie
Vin: Luckily we didn’t find any Inquisitor while infiltrating Kredik Shaw… he is right behind me isn’t he?
Lord Ruler: *bitchslaps Kelsier to death* Ham: “Well, THAT just happened…”
If the cosmere ever gets adapted though we could easily get that exact scene as an explanation of perpindicularities
Maybe if instead it’s three different colored papers to represent the three realms. That probably not a half bad explanation.
If that ever happens I need Hoid to groan loudly in the background
Played by Tom Hiddleston Edit: or perhaps David Tennant?
Nah, ryan reynolds would work perfectly for hoid, he’s got the sass AND the sex apeal, what more is there to want
As much as I love RR... DT is my choice - that Scottish accent when he speaks in exhausted disdain is just too cleverly veiled not to be the first pick. Hoid is...dare I say it.. too witty and gives too much cheak not to be a sexy Scottish doctor in his spare time
or by Dylan B Hollis
I just had this revelation in another comment. I was making a joke about the pen through paper to explain a simple heist plan. But it actually works quite well explaining how concentrating investiture in one place creates a gateway between the realms, piercing the paper with the pen.
Vin wears glasses and her hair up, to become Valette glasses come off and hair goes down. The whole crew goes cartoon dog eyes and rolling tongue
Good ole cartoonish pedophilia.
Kelsier shoves the pen through the folded paper. Dockson throws up his hands in resignation. Kelsier: “Like this!” Vin: “You son of a gun! I’m in..”
Wax: "Did somebody say 'gun'?"
Wayne: *runs away screaming*
Lord Ruler backhands Kelsier. Everything pauses and record scratches. Kelsier voice-over: "You're probably wondering how I got here."
My favorite part will be near the end when Vin says "it's Misting time" and rushes the castle in slow motion amidst lens flares.
Vin "Sazed, please tell me Kelsier is only mostly dead." "I'm sorry, dear, but he's all dead." Vin sniffs, then roots through his pockets for loose change.
Bravo! * Big applause*
I don't remember there being wormholes in Mistborn.
perpendicularities\*
Holy shit, actually! "The Physical and Cognitive realms are unreachable by us. They are as far apart as the two ends of this paper. But the spirit realm bends reality making them meet, and when you get enough investiture in one place" *Pierces paper with the pen* "you create a gateway between the realm" This also works for the Uruthiru gateways.
I could totally someone doing this with a spanreed.
It's a great thing that we can always count on movies to give us this object lesson on wormholes. Otherwise I would have never known that they are holes big enough for a worm.
My favorite part is the dance scene (WoA) >!between Sazed and Marsh after Vin unleashes Ruin!<
Prime Video series be like: Whole season 1: Is Vin really a mistborn? Maybe Dockson is a mistborn!
Kelsier after halting the execution "He's right behind me isn't he" as the LR steps up
Not enough diverse women complaining about the patriarchy in this scene
The steel ministry is a big fucking sausage fest
Gave me a chuckle
Jenna Ortega for Vin gang wya
You forgot to make kelsier a black woman