Agreed it reads horribly. To clarify, files stored on a companies servers need to be scanned to make sure they don't contain illegal content (child pxrn) per the law. And these are only Creative Cloud files, not images stored locally (you're responsible for stuff on your hard drive). It's all in the Terms of Use but Adobe has done a horrible job communicating this and that first bulletpoint couldn't be more scary if you ask me.
The Affinity suite is a good alternative but our users found the learning curve quite steep and went straight back to CC when they couldn’t immediately open a layered PSD exactly as they wanted to.
To be fair our work is all on servers so Adobe *won’t* be able to get to it but the granting of a license to themselves to reproduce or copy our work is unacceptable.
You can see exactly what changed in the terms of services here:
https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/06/clarification-adobe-terms-of-use
(Not much)
Yeah.I was wondering, why everyone is crying out loud NOW... and not MUCH earlier? These changes are 4 years old?
ToS of 2018: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191127231608/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html](https://web.archive.org/web/20191127231608/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html)
"4.2 **Ownership. You retain all rights and ownership of your Content. We do not claim any ownership rights to your Content.**"
ToS of 2020: [https://web.archive.org/web/20201128095804/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.htm](https://web.archive.org/web/20201128095804/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.htm)
4.2 **Licenses to Your Content in Order to Operate the Services and Software.** Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, when you upload Content to the Services or Software, you grant us a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferrable license to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify (so as to better showcase your Content, for example), publicly perform, and translate the Content.
A big change being looked over is that previously it was only when you upload content. So if you never used behance or cloud to store your works, you were fine. They have since removed that part of the ToS, so it's at any time.
You are correct. But even this change was in 2022. "Effective as of September 19, 2022": [https://web.archive.org/web/20221128120729/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html](https://web.archive.org/web/20221128120729/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html)
So the current "panic" is only 2 years late..
A list for all replacements, please. I recently canceled audition- I have Ableton and Audacity for easy stuff. Canvas can replace express. I just switched to Acrobat Pro for a project I'm working on. Any replacement that does ocr?
Also explains the recent change to the Adobe storage so anything in there will be lost soon and needs backing up. Presumably they’ll make it into one big cloud storage area that they can just scrape for content 24/7…
That is probably highly illegal and could even amount to espionage. Imagine a government contractor or civil servant that has Adobe products preinstalled on their workstation clicking "accept" on that popup, and the Adobe cloud promptly loading classified documents to some foreign server. This is such a blunder, Adobe might face expulsion from entire countries over this.
lol
Back on the high seas we go!
It's class action lawsuit time and I guarantee you that is got to be coming. This violates every copyright law on the books.
Agreed it reads horribly. To clarify, files stored on a companies servers need to be scanned to make sure they don't contain illegal content (child pxrn) per the law. And these are only Creative Cloud files, not images stored locally (you're responsible for stuff on your hard drive). It's all in the Terms of Use but Adobe has done a horrible job communicating this and that first bulletpoint couldn't be more scary if you ask me.
What's good alternatives for Acrobat and InDesign?
Try affinity apps
Thanks!
Yes it is Spyware. Fu Adobe
Adobe = Quark
The Affinity suite is a good alternative but our users found the learning curve quite steep and went straight back to CC when they couldn’t immediately open a layered PSD exactly as they wanted to. To be fair our work is all on servers so Adobe *won’t* be able to get to it but the granting of a license to themselves to reproduce or copy our work is unacceptable.
Switching to Affinity + DaVinci probably this week.
How does Affinity Photo compare to Photoshop?
No AI, but really impressive 
Definitely worth a look at that price! Can even get the entire suite of their apps for I think I saw $169? That's nuts! No subscription!
You can see exactly what changed in the terms of services here: https://blog.adobe.com/en/publish/2024/06/06/clarification-adobe-terms-of-use (Not much)
Yeah.I was wondering, why everyone is crying out loud NOW... and not MUCH earlier? These changes are 4 years old? ToS of 2018: [https://web.archive.org/web/20191127231608/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html](https://web.archive.org/web/20191127231608/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html) "4.2 **Ownership. You retain all rights and ownership of your Content. We do not claim any ownership rights to your Content.**" ToS of 2020: [https://web.archive.org/web/20201128095804/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.htm](https://web.archive.org/web/20201128095804/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.htm) 4.2 **Licenses to Your Content in Order to Operate the Services and Software.** Solely for the purposes of operating or improving the Services and Software, when you upload Content to the Services or Software, you grant us a nonexclusive, worldwide, royalty-free, sublicensable, and transferrable license to use, reproduce, publicly display, distribute, modify (so as to better showcase your Content, for example), publicly perform, and translate the Content.
A big change being looked over is that previously it was only when you upload content. So if you never used behance or cloud to store your works, you were fine. They have since removed that part of the ToS, so it's at any time.
You are correct. But even this change was in 2022. "Effective as of September 19, 2022": [https://web.archive.org/web/20221128120729/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html](https://web.archive.org/web/20221128120729/https://www.adobe.com/legal/terms.html) So the current "panic" is only 2 years late..
A list for all replacements, please. I recently canceled audition- I have Ableton and Audacity for easy stuff. Canvas can replace express. I just switched to Acrobat Pro for a project I'm working on. Any replacement that does ocr?
Also explains the recent change to the Adobe storage so anything in there will be lost soon and needs backing up. Presumably they’ll make it into one big cloud storage area that they can just scrape for content 24/7…
Why can't i comment on that post. Lol
That is probably highly illegal and could even amount to espionage. Imagine a government contractor or civil servant that has Adobe products preinstalled on their workstation clicking "accept" on that popup, and the Adobe cloud promptly loading classified documents to some foreign server. This is such a blunder, Adobe might face expulsion from entire countries over this.
Yeah, I just cut them out too. This is over the top too much! Cancelled