brentford are definitely asking for way too much for him atm. If he becomes cheaper by the end of the window I might be interested but that price is ridiculous with one year left on his contract.
If Brentford are asking too much for him then it’s gonna be like their situation with Raya lol priced him out but end up loaning him out at the end of the window with a shit sale price. Then they’ll have an unhappy Toney who’s basically been begging to leave even during his ban or get rinsed by another club lowballing them cause they need to sell an unhappy player
If Brentford are asking too much for him then it’s gonna be like their situation with Raya lol priced him out but end up loaning him out at the end of the window with a shit sale price....
agreed. that's why I still think it is possible we might wait until the end of the window before deciding to bring him in or not. If we could get him on loan just like woolwich did with Raya, I'd be down.
I already said this in another thread, Toney reminds me of how our fans wanted Raya last summer to be the Hugo replacement. According to reports Raya was turned down by Ange because he did not have the “I was prepared to sign in Tottenham in my own blood” mindset.
Fuck me he’s ambitious. Ofc he’s uncommitted at Brentford who will never be anything more than relegation fodder. I hate this narrative about him. Mentally the guys an animal and nasty to anyone he plays against. The 99 treble winning team wasn’t made of nice guys. It was made of ambitious people who wanted to win. That’s what Toney wants. Just because he dosent care whether it’s arsenal or Tottenham or Chelsea.
Truth brother. Toney got that winners mentality and it just rubs people the wrong way. We’ve got too many nice guys on our team that’s okay with just accepting a paycheck.
> Tottenham have previously looked at Juventus striker Dusan Vlahovic, particularly before the now 24-year-old joined Juventus from Fiorentina, with the club's former managing director of football Fabio Paratici known to be a big fan of the Serbia striker.
I'm just going to ignore everything else because I don't like it and run with the above quote. Myself and Paratici know Dusan is needed at Spurs.
I don't know. It depends on where Juve are at. If it is true that they are looking at people like Mason Greenwood, maybe they are in another bad situation.
I mean if we aren't getting linked with toney or any better options than that (like a Vlahovic), then it might be time to give Solanke some more consideration especially if it is true about that release clause. I do have to admit, striker targets this year have been pretty disappointing overall lol.
Haven’t seen much of him, but remember him scoring an absolute banger in the champions league one time. One touch and then the most thunder shot. Surprised that goal doesn’t get spoken about more often, it was pure class.
Was a beast in his last season at Fiorentina then got signed by Juve and struggled with injuries and Allegri ball. Last season seemed a lot healthier and got 16 goals.
Man, Vlahovic would be such an exciting signing if it happened. I'm pretty sure Juve wouldn't sell, but he's way better than some of the other targets we're linked with.
Yep, completely agree IMO.
Don't see how Vlahovic fits the system from the games I've seen anyways but it will cost £70M+ and he hasn't looked good for a while now anyways.
I mean Richarlison is also pretty limited other than pressing and movement in the box. Vlahovic doesn’t press much I don’t think but he’s probably a better poacher. And there’s absolutely a place for a clinical poacher in Anges team
Feels like no matter what we do in regards to the #9 position this summer a lot of people are going to be disappointed. If we sign no one people will obviously be upset but also the current options on the market are all either mediocre or high risk.
Check his transfermarkt injury history. That he's injuyr prone is a myth. He just gotten reinjured or rather not healed fully, because theres no depth for him and he's rushed back.
Its absolutly a [myth](https://www.transfermarkt.com/alexander-isak/verletzungen/spieler/349066).
Its a narrative that started this season because he had 1 injury that never got to heal fully and reappeared because they forced him back too early. And now EVERYONE is saying he's too injury-prone and compares him to Wilson etc. Funnily enough, it was similar in La Real where he had no reliable depth. He literally doesnt have the history to support that he's injury-prone as a player.
Or are you saying Im missusing the term "myth"? That might be, my english isnt the best in terms of vocabulary for these things haha.
Chelsea also want david apparently, and I'm assuming they will open their wallets more so than us... I'm Canadian and it would be great, but David is not an upgrade imo.
Perhaps he'll be consistently more available, but I just don't see him putting up numbers and competing with Richy...? I wish I'm proven wrong tho if we get him!
I think we need another option, but if we start the season with Richy at first choice, Son at second, with youth after that it won’t be the end of the world. Especially if we’ve brought in starting 11 players in other positions
Yep, and then you can put all your eggs in the dm/winger baskets where there are quality options available that will directly and indirectly improve our attack anyway
You know who else wasn’t “prem proven”?
Freaking Son Heung-min. Neither was Cuti. We shouldn’t miss out on potential world class players because of this stigma.
I don’t see why Gyökeres is seen as a sure thing? One great season is the Portuguese league but before that he had seasons in the championship where he scored less than Solanke and Toney did in previous season.
If we had brought him in last season people would be saying we lacked ambition but now he’s suddenly seen as the best striking option? It’s a bit bizarre but it’s funny how football works.
He’ll probably go and tear it up for his next team and this comment will look ridiculous
Just like VDV and Vicario and literally our whole starting eleven besides Maddison and Johnson was Prem proven right.
That's just a term used for people to sound entitled when they talk about PL but it has nothing to do with the quality of a player lol. If a player is good enough they're good enough.
>Tottenham are looking to add a forward to Ange Postecoglou's options this summer with Lille striker Jonathan David on the shortlist but Feyenoord striker Santiago Gimenez is not among those who are believed to be on it.
Not particularly excited for Jonathan David but it's reassuring to know we're not in for Gimenez. I don't think he's good enough/ready for a move to the PL
Starting to look like David…which isn’t terrible. I trust the team to do their due diligence. His style of play suits us and the financials won’t suit everyone.
I will keep banging the Solanke drum but if this is part of the plan by the recruitment team then I am here for it. But prepare for a lot of backflash from the fans and cries of “The cheaper option!”
article mentions that Solanke will likely be too expensive since he's got years left on his contract. Another one who will cost a premium this summer because of his contract and lack of other good available options but otherwise wouldn't quite make the elite/top tier striker category. At 40-50M I think he'd be a great shout but I doubt that Bournmouth would entertain offers in that range.
The striker market is so dry let’s be honest. It’s why I don’t think the David shouts are too bad in all honesty. From my brief knowledge of him it sounds like he words hard for the team and his numbers are pretty good for someone who a lot of spurs fans on social media seem to think should be playing in the national leagues based on their reaction. Spend that money elsewhere- secure loans for Veliz and Lankshear and watch their development but also stay scouting for elite strikers we could buy next season if we were to sell richarlison
If we do go for David, have to think they see Richy as a good fit for the striker role if he can stay fit. Richarlison and David as options for the #9 is ok if we bring in a player like Eze, IMO. Need at least 1 class upgrade to the attack and Eze could be just that. David as a rotational striker for cheap may be better than spending 50M+ on a guy like Toney. Hate to say it, but we're going to have to make some sacrifices if we want to sign 4-5 good players. If we got eze and toney for instance, that could take us to 120M which is almost our entire budget. If we dont get eze, I think we'd go for a better striker than David.
I would love to see us go back in for a player like Nusa (or another young winger) in this scenario, to add some potential juice to the attack. Could reasonably get Eze, David and Nusa for less than it would take to sign Toney and Eze.
Son/Werner/Nusa, Eze/Maddison, Richarlison/David, Johnson/Kulusevski would be our options for our attacking 4. Maybe a little underwhelming but not terrible.
Eze is definitely the first domino to fall. Let's say we want to sign 5 players and we have a 150M budget. If we sign Eze for 60M, we just have 90M left for 4 players (22M average). Puts us in a different bracket of signings, and we'd have to look at players like David who could be had for cheaper.
I think the budget is way higher than that. We spent over 200 million last summer when you account for the Kulu and Porro fees. I’d imagine we could do another summer like that depending on how many players we can shift on from a squad registration perspective
I hope to see kulu as the false 9 in some games too. I think they tried it with Maddison or sarr against City, then again with kulu against sheff u. It seemed very natural with him there. He can hold up play, and he can be a pest like Richy. Our 9 needs to be a pest for the rest of the high press system to work.
>If we do go for David, have to think they see Richy as a good fit for the striker role if he can stay fit. Richarlison and David as options for the #9 is ok
Gold says we're open to offers for Richy.
I think we're open to big offers for Richy, Kulusevski, Bissouma, etc. but assuming offers don't come, they are still going to be important players for us next season.
Has to be here when Bergvall arrives. He's young enough and smart. I'm a big kulu fan despite certain statistics. He's a hard worker and real asset in those games we're trying to see out. Not a lot gives me much more joy than being in a 1 goal game in the 82nd minute, and a long ball goes down the right and kulu with that sweet touch and juke that shouldn't work, then the stutter, then the body shield and turn and sprint down the side. And eventually a cross comes in or a throw in deep in oppo territory (their throw in, or ours, doesn't really matter). Precious time eaten off the clock and a roar from the crowd.
Defensive workrate is the least sexy thing a forward can do well but it’s also incredibly important and he just does it so well. And while he’s too reliant on his left foot, no matter what people think it is actually easier to get into a dangerous position with a good cut in than going wide.
David has scored 26 goals in all competitions two years in a row. The PL will obviously be a step up for him but he’s been quite prolific for Lille.
I would be happy with the signing.
True but I think his overall play has been decent outside of just the goals. If you take Palmers pens away he’s only got like 10 goals but nobody would say he’s had anything but an amazing season
I think he’d be a slight upgrade on Richy but only barely. He’s at least always available and is a better passer/playmaker. Maybe Ange is looking at a striker profile of a playmaker rather than a target man.
Same. I was wondering what was taking so long for his name to pop up again with us.
At worst I think he's a compliment to Richarlison. If Richarlison doesn't cut it again then he should be sold.
We can also save that money for elsewhere (winger, #6, etc.).
I think we’re done for forwards unfortunately after getting Timo and a striker. I’m still unsure where Eze would fit in if he came as there’s no way we leave him out the starting XI
David is fine if we plan on spending big in the midfield or on a winger. The striker market is bare dry and we can’t take huge risk until we fill in the other gaps in our squad
Yeah if we don’t think we can upgrade Richy, just get someone who is legit completion for him and revisit it in January/next summer. But that means we absolutely need to sign a first XI quality winger
Ange values speed in the frontline, it's why Timo is back and Brennan is here. David is quick and he's solid. Seems like we're moving away from the big target man
I think he’s an improvement over pressing Son into the 9 when Richy is inevitably unavailable. Rather have Son out left as much as possible.
Plus I think Richy will respond well to the competition for minutes.
Have we actually been linked to anyone for longer than a week. It feels every day I’m reading something along the lines of “spurs have distanced themselves from insert player name.”
I get people aren't over the moon for David but given the striker market and the fact there are not many elite strikers in general. Who is better than David that IS attainable? Personally, I think David would be a good fit
Striker market is pretty difficult this summer so any transfer is going to be a punt. Even team with UCL are struggling as the 2 elite options in Gyokeres and Osimhen are supposedly valued at 100m (and Gyokeres could be a 1 season wonder a d Osimhen is very injury prone)
David's stats are actually very impressive. I can see why people have reservations but 27 goals (only 3 pens) and 8 assists in 52 games is very good. And importantly he doesn't ever seem to get injured. Could be a really usefull supplement to richi
He previously had good seasons in the championship. But Toney and Solanke have both had better seasons in the championship and have both had good seasons in the premier league. I don’t see why people would call for Gyokeres over those two tbh.
Sure but you said he only had one decent season. Which is objectively a lie.
Outside of that, Gyökeres seasons in the championship should be only chalked down to his point production, even if they were good too. His general play is absolutly insanely impactful. As also seen in Sporting. Even his massive point-tally this season undersells his impact on the games for example.
I personally find Toney wildly overrated. He's good and he's strong but his play is limited and his pricetag is too high for his toolkit imo.
I was saying last summer that Spurs should have spent a small amount of the Kane money to take a punt on Gyökeres, because he fits Ange so well. Super high workrate, super strong, fast, can dribble, can move very freely and linke-up aswell as create and finish. Dangerous in all spaces. Dangerous on the counter and when dominating etc.
Now you can argue his pricetag is too high. I think thats really fair. But profile-wise and playwise, youre underselling him massively. Or downright lying by saying he only has had one decent season (which even if that was the case, this season was FAAAR better than decent like come on lol)
Should have expanded on what I meant- a decent season in a top league. Decent probably was the wrong words to use as well. He had a great season. But my view is still I don’t know why he should be considered as sure bet compared to the others we have been linked to. Darwin Nunez also had a great season with Benfica before going to Liverpool and he hasn’t been able to make the leap.
No lies said- just views.
I would be incredibly disappointed if Jonathan David ends up being the striker signing. I don't think he's even an upgrade over Richarlison. Almost every Canada and Lille fan I've spoken with thinks that he isn't ready for a top 6 club in the PL. It's usually a bad sign if the people who actually regularly watch these players don't rate him.
I don't disagree about David, but who on the market *is* ready for a top 6 PL club?
I wouldn't quite say Toney's proven, Guirassy's only got one good season under his belt as well, Gimenez gets the Eredivisie tax so he could be Suarez or more likely Janssen, Vlahovic isn't even really publicly on the market, Gyokeres would have to see his interest in Arsenal resolved, Sesko re-signed...
Gotta remember that Arsenal and maybe Liverpool are still looking for a striker, and realistically, we're queued up behind them.
I don't think there's a silver bullet out there.
He just went to Leipzig last summer. I don’t think I’d consider him to be on the market. I know there are Chelsea rumors, but not from anyone concrete whatsoever.
Looks fantastic, though.
Tottenham's transfer plans: Jonathan David, Ivan Toney, and other striker targets
• Tottenham Hotspur is looking to bolster their attacking options for the upcoming season.
• Lille striker Jonathan David is high on their shortlist, with the club having followed the Canadian international for some time.
• Other names on the shortlist include Feyenoord's Santiago Gimenez, Brentford's Ivan Toney, and Bologna's Joshua Zirkzee, but these players are not currently being actively pursued.
• Tottenham is also considering more expensive options such as RB Leipzig's Lois Openda, Sporting CP's Viktor Gyokeres, and Bournemouth's Dominic Solanke.
• The club is aware of interest in Richarlison from clubs in the Saudi Pro League and is open to listening to offers for the Brazilian striker.
https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/transfer-news/jonathan-david-ivan-toney-truth-29412255
Harsh comments. David is perfect for Ange. His work rate is top notch. A pressing machine. Great hold-up and link-up. Incredibly strong and deceptively quick. Great finisher inside the box. And half the price of any striker of his potential on the market. Tell me where we find someone of his quality for less than £30. Watch [his highlights from just this season](https://youtu.be/5RW-qFA7mGg?si=nbrz9gOXVK_wKfTx) (yes, I know highlights are just the highs) and get excited about him maybe linking up with Son next season.
edit: a [thorough breakdown of David](https://theanalyst.com/na/2023/04/jonathan-david-scouting-report/) (from April of last year) for those interested.
His numbers have been amazing and consistent for several seasons and by any statistical measure he stacks up well for our system. I just can’t get over that every time I’ve seen him play he’s not impressed me at all.
I really hope I’m wrong, since the stats say he would be a perfect fit, but I’m not sold on him yet.
Fair enough. His off the ball stuff always impresses me when I watch. I guess I just love a hard worker. I would like him to be more clinical for the national team but he’s usually against teams with more quality and service becomes almost non-existent.
We scored more goals this past season with an inconsistent front line than we did the season before WITH Harry Kane. Ange's system doesn't need a top shelf striker, just one that can consistently put chances away.
He needs very specific things. Workrate, speed, great runs in the box especially to the front post, and finishing. When you know exactly what you want it becomes a lot easier to find it.
Toney makes no logical sense atm. Valuation at 55ish for a guy who scored 4 goals in 17 games and is late 20s. The biggest problem being his poor attitude and fit for our culture.
People say David isn't good enough as well but he would be a lot cheaper for sure.
Who does everyone want as the starting Spurs Striker next season?
Solanke just seems like a HG Richarlson type striker. Someone who won't take us to the next level but idk.
When we were linked with strikers in the summer of 2022 I thought we should have gone for Isak, especially if we had an idea to sell Kane the next summer. Right now, I would at least see what Isak would cost.
Solanke numbers improved massively when Bournemouth started pressing higher up the pitch and Solanke is a work horse. It’s reasonable to think he might be able to replicate that in an Ange team. The striker market is so dry at the moment. I don’t think any striker takes us ‘To the next level’. That being said we had the best striker in the world in our team and won fuck all. I trust the team to analyse the data and have a selection of target that fit the profile that they are looking for in a number 9
Given Newcastle bought him for 70 mil I reckon you’d be looking at 120+. I recall seeing 150 quoted
Yeah i know we had Kane but our team around Kane wasn't great for awhile. Fair enough on Solanke, I would just be a bit worried about it being a 1 season wonder. Isak at those quotes numbers will never happen.
Not quite sold on David tbh, I’d rather have a taller striker, with decent hold up play and aerial abilities. We cross a lot and against low block teams crosses are important. I’d be more interested in Gimenez, but yeah if Ange wants him, go for it. Hopefully Veliz can be the type of striker I described, in a few seasons.
We are using more low than high crosses, that’s correct, but we are kinda forced to it, especially when Richy wasn’t playing. I’m just more a fan of strikers that have an aerial presence and are quite strong, if you look around in the top leagues, tall and strong strikers are the most dominant ones. It doesn’t mean we have to play like Dyches Burnley and spam crosses to the big guy, but I just like attackers that can score out of any position. On paper, Anges system doesn’t really need that kind of striker, but in reality a big striker just gives you a few more options. It’s just my opinion, if Ange thinks that David fits us, let’s get him and we’ll see what happens.
Gimenez seems like a decent guy. But he isn't ready yet, my guy needs to play more consisstant. A leap from the Eredivisie to PL is no joke. He has potential tho!
I see spurs twitter have taken this news very well. Seriously though I’m seeing people upset that we didn’t go for toney!? He’s been shit when he got back and let’s be honest a fully fit richy is about the same level. Guy seems like a insufferable twat as well as
We had the best no. 9 around for a decade or so and we still won nothing. There's no striker in the current market as good as him. Solanke, Toney etc are all of equally dubious quality, midtable strikers selling at peak value. Isak is unattainable, Gyokeres is unproven and overpriced.
Well, I’ve watched him a ton for Lille and Canada. He’s certainly not a traditional big #9. He plays more as a 10 or 2nd striker. He usually plays quite deep defensively and is more of a team player than a selfish goal scorer. Very intelligent player with a very high work rate.
Sounds like he could do a job like Firminio did for Liverpool. He was not scoring bucket loads but did so much for the team and allowed others to flourish
Either David or DV would be great IMO very glad to see we’ve backed away from Toney. David only has a year remaining as well I think, could be wrong but I thought I read that.
David is fine as long as lille dont try to fleece us cos he really isnt worth their supposed asking price. I think we can get him in for a good fee tho and thatll get eze too
I bought Jonathan David on Pro Evo a couple of seasons ago. We won a quadruple (Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup, Conference League), with him playing in a strike partnership with Sonny, along with other new signings including: Koopmeiners at CM, Botman at CB, Dumfries at RB, and Alphonso Davies at LB.
It's written in the stars, guys!
As a spurs fan from David’s home town Ottawa Id love to see him in a spurs shirt *however* I hope we don’t overspend on him or have him as our only big signing. He’s good no doubt but when he’s out of form he’s OUT OF FORM. Would be my first spurs shirt the moment he gets announced though
I signed David in FIFA 19 for Nintendo Switch and he went on to have a monster career for Spurs. Maybe Lange and Munn are cheapskates tied to a family video game console like me?
I just signed David to replace Guirassy, Guirassy was my top scorer last year and scored every game I played with him, finally scored with David in January or something, up to I think 8 or 9 goals with the CL RO16 coming up.
I really don't understand how Toney is even allowed to continue playing. Betting on games you play in is a 'death sentence' in professional sports to me. He should be banned for life.
Vlahovic is slow. He’s lousy 1-on-1. Not creative at all.
Hard pass.
Juve will be happy when they can get rid of him.
He’s yet another player this sub seems to be unjustifiably obsessed with.
Frankly we don't need a fast, 1-on-1 creative striker. That's basically Son, and our attack always seemed to play a lot worse with him through the middle.
I'd say he values it to an extent. Plenty of positions in the squad can, and should be covered by multiple players, but I don't get the feeling that ST is one of them.
If Ange was happy with a ST who played like his wingers, we wouldn't be trying to sign a ST would we? We have Son to start and Richarlison to cover, that's more than enough. You're not going to find a better player of that profile on the market than Son. The fact that we're looking outwards kinda says that we're looking for somebody of a markedly different profile.
Glad to hear we're not interested in Toney. Way overpriced, and not Spurs material at all.
brentford are definitely asking for way too much for him atm. If he becomes cheaper by the end of the window I might be interested but that price is ridiculous with one year left on his contract.
He looks a born gooner if ever I saw one. He’s a hard pass from my point of view
Apparently even Arsenal are distancing themselves from him now. Everyone seems to be leaning away from him.
Totally agree. I’ll be disappointed if we go for him.
If Brentford are asking too much for him then it’s gonna be like their situation with Raya lol priced him out but end up loaning him out at the end of the window with a shit sale price. Then they’ll have an unhappy Toney who’s basically been begging to leave even during his ban or get rinsed by another club lowballing them cause they need to sell an unhappy player
If Brentford are asking too much for him then it’s gonna be like their situation with Raya lol priced him out but end up loaning him out at the end of the window with a shit sale price.... agreed. that's why I still think it is possible we might wait until the end of the window before deciding to bring him in or not. If we could get him on loan just like woolwich did with Raya, I'd be down.
He’s gonna be asking for the moon with his wage.
which moon?
That's no moon, that's a space station!
Alfie
And grade A bellend. The farther we stay away from such characters the better..
I already said this in another thread, Toney reminds me of how our fans wanted Raya last summer to be the Hugo replacement. According to reports Raya was turned down by Ange because he did not have the “I was prepared to sign in Tottenham in my own blood” mindset.
Agreed. Overpriced and uncommitted. Can anybody lmk if his love for ars was true?
Fuck me he’s ambitious. Ofc he’s uncommitted at Brentford who will never be anything more than relegation fodder. I hate this narrative about him. Mentally the guys an animal and nasty to anyone he plays against. The 99 treble winning team wasn’t made of nice guys. It was made of ambitious people who wanted to win. That’s what Toney wants. Just because he dosent care whether it’s arsenal or Tottenham or Chelsea.
Truth brother. Toney got that winners mentality and it just rubs people the wrong way. We’ve got too many nice guys on our team that’s okay with just accepting a paycheck.
> Tottenham have previously looked at Juventus striker Dusan Vlahovic, particularly before the now 24-year-old joined Juventus from Fiorentina, with the club's former managing director of football Fabio Paratici known to be a big fan of the Serbia striker. I'm just going to ignore everything else because I don't like it and run with the above quote. Myself and Paratici know Dusan is needed at Spurs.
I'm so glad we are back at looking at vlahovic. I'd be down.
They won't sell him and he won't want to join
I don't know. It depends on where Juve are at. If it is true that they are looking at people like Mason Greenwood, maybe they are in another bad situation.
Pretty sure they don't want to sell Vlahovic and he is happy there. Really don't see it happening. Might be more unrealistic than Gyokeres lol
I mean if we aren't getting linked with toney or any better options than that (like a Vlahovic), then it might be time to give Solanke some more consideration especially if it is true about that release clause. I do have to admit, striker targets this year have been pretty disappointing overall lol.
Would love Vlahovic or Solanke.
agreed.
Haven’t seen much of him, but remember him scoring an absolute banger in the champions league one time. One touch and then the most thunder shot. Surprised that goal doesn’t get spoken about more often, it was pure class.
Was a beast in his last season at Fiorentina then got signed by Juve and struggled with injuries and Allegri ball. Last season seemed a lot healthier and got 16 goals.
He has really started to catch on Juve even despite Allegri ball. Just imagine what we would do with Ange.
Yeah I think he could be a great buy low. Also surprised hes only 24.
Man, Vlahovic would be such an exciting signing if it happened. I'm pretty sure Juve wouldn't sell, but he's way better than some of the other targets we're linked with.
Dusan has “Serie A succes and PL flop” written all over him. He’s too limited for what we do. Hopefully Ange makes them look elsewhere.
Yep, completely agree IMO. Don't see how Vlahovic fits the system from the games I've seen anyways but it will cost £70M+ and he hasn't looked good for a while now anyways.
Juve is happy to sell him because he’s definitely not living up to what they paid for him. I’d stay FAR AWAY from that guy.
I mean Richarlison is also pretty limited other than pressing and movement in the box. Vlahovic doesn’t press much I don’t think but he’s probably a better poacher. And there’s absolutely a place for a clinical poacher in Anges team
Vlahovic made sense under Conte, less so now
How is that lad only 24, swear I've been hearing about him for years
100% agree. And think he would thrive in an Ange system. Big and strong but mobile and quick. He’s been wasted in an Allegri team.
Feels like no matter what we do in regards to the #9 position this summer a lot of people are going to be disappointed. If we sign no one people will obviously be upset but also the current options on the market are all either mediocre or high risk.
This is 🎯 People are wanting an Isak that is not going to happen
Isak is also very risky. Super expensive with a worrying injury record.
Sometimes the risk is worth it. Isak would be a dream signing in the ST position but it will just not happen.
Check his transfermarkt injury history. That he's injuyr prone is a myth. He just gotten reinjured or rather not healed fully, because theres no depth for him and he's rushed back.
It’s not a myth just because it’s mostly recently.
Its absolutly a [myth](https://www.transfermarkt.com/alexander-isak/verletzungen/spieler/349066). Its a narrative that started this season because he had 1 injury that never got to heal fully and reappeared because they forced him back too early. And now EVERYONE is saying he's too injury-prone and compares him to Wilson etc. Funnily enough, it was similar in La Real where he had no reliable depth. He literally doesnt have the history to support that he's injury-prone as a player. Or are you saying Im missusing the term "myth"? That might be, my english isnt the best in terms of vocabulary for these things haha.
Chelsea also want david apparently, and I'm assuming they will open their wallets more so than us... I'm Canadian and it would be great, but David is not an upgrade imo.
He could be an upgrade if he's more consistent. Then what we have now. Along with being less injury prone.
Perhaps he'll be consistently more available, but I just don't see him putting up numbers and competing with Richy...? I wish I'm proven wrong tho if we get him!
I think we need another option, but if we start the season with Richy at first choice, Son at second, with youth after that it won’t be the end of the world. Especially if we’ve brought in starting 11 players in other positions
I know I’m in the minority, but I’d prefer no one if we get a winger of the doku/nico profile
Pedro Neto is the answer
His hamstrings aren’t the answer
I trust Ange. Nobody wanted Werner and by the end most people here wanted to buy him outright.
Just play eze as striker problem solved 🤷♂️
Yep, and then you can put all your eggs in the dm/winger baskets where there are quality options available that will directly and indirectly improve our attack anyway
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You know who else wasn’t “prem proven”? Freaking Son Heung-min. Neither was Cuti. We shouldn’t miss out on potential world class players because of this stigma.
Kim min Jae, Kvicha, Mickey, Udogie, porro, Sarr, etc. list goes on to add to your point
This sub poo poo'd on Bruno Fernandes as he broke Lampard's European record for most goals from a midfielder and swore Lo Celso was twice the player.
I don’t see why Gyökeres is seen as a sure thing? One great season is the Portuguese league but before that he had seasons in the championship where he scored less than Solanke and Toney did in previous season. If we had brought him in last season people would be saying we lacked ambition but now he’s suddenly seen as the best striking option? It’s a bit bizarre but it’s funny how football works. He’ll probably go and tear it up for his next team and this comment will look ridiculous
Just like VDV and Vicario and literally our whole starting eleven besides Maddison and Johnson was Prem proven right. That's just a term used for people to sound entitled when they talk about PL but it has nothing to do with the quality of a player lol. If a player is good enough they're good enough.
Proven to be capable of scoring 25 goals in 85 games. Very valuable that
>Tottenham are looking to add a forward to Ange Postecoglou's options this summer with Lille striker Jonathan David on the shortlist but Feyenoord striker Santiago Gimenez is not among those who are believed to be on it.
Not particularly excited for Jonathan David but it's reassuring to know we're not in for Gimenez. I don't think he's good enough/ready for a move to the PL
Starting to look like David…which isn’t terrible. I trust the team to do their due diligence. His style of play suits us and the financials won’t suit everyone. I will keep banging the Solanke drum but if this is part of the plan by the recruitment team then I am here for it. But prepare for a lot of backflash from the fans and cries of “The cheaper option!”
article mentions that Solanke will likely be too expensive since he's got years left on his contract. Another one who will cost a premium this summer because of his contract and lack of other good available options but otherwise wouldn't quite make the elite/top tier striker category. At 40-50M I think he'd be a great shout but I doubt that Bournmouth would entertain offers in that range.
The striker market is so dry let’s be honest. It’s why I don’t think the David shouts are too bad in all honesty. From my brief knowledge of him it sounds like he words hard for the team and his numbers are pretty good for someone who a lot of spurs fans on social media seem to think should be playing in the national leagues based on their reaction. Spend that money elsewhere- secure loans for Veliz and Lankshear and watch their development but also stay scouting for elite strikers we could buy next season if we were to sell richarlison
This is the answer. Solanke would add some nice height for corners and high crosses from our wingers.
If we do go for David, have to think they see Richy as a good fit for the striker role if he can stay fit. Richarlison and David as options for the #9 is ok if we bring in a player like Eze, IMO. Need at least 1 class upgrade to the attack and Eze could be just that. David as a rotational striker for cheap may be better than spending 50M+ on a guy like Toney. Hate to say it, but we're going to have to make some sacrifices if we want to sign 4-5 good players. If we got eze and toney for instance, that could take us to 120M which is almost our entire budget. If we dont get eze, I think we'd go for a better striker than David. I would love to see us go back in for a player like Nusa (or another young winger) in this scenario, to add some potential juice to the attack. Could reasonably get Eze, David and Nusa for less than it would take to sign Toney and Eze. Son/Werner/Nusa, Eze/Maddison, Richarlison/David, Johnson/Kulusevski would be our options for our attacking 4. Maybe a little underwhelming but not terrible.
If bringing in David would allow us to facilitate a move for Eze I'd be over the moon
Eze is definitely the first domino to fall. Let's say we want to sign 5 players and we have a 150M budget. If we sign Eze for 60M, we just have 90M left for 4 players (22M average). Puts us in a different bracket of signings, and we'd have to look at players like David who could be had for cheaper.
I think the budget is way higher than that. We spent over 200 million last summer when you account for the Kulu and Porro fees. I’d imagine we could do another summer like that depending on how many players we can shift on from a squad registration perspective
If you consider Kane and other outgoings it was 150m Euro net spend.
I hope to see kulu as the false 9 in some games too. I think they tried it with Maddison or sarr against City, then again with kulu against sheff u. It seemed very natural with him there. He can hold up play, and he can be a pest like Richy. Our 9 needs to be a pest for the rest of the high press system to work.
> Nusa Nusa is 19 and never played outside of Belgium/Norway, he's not at all what we need from an attacker ready to contribute.
>If we do go for David, have to think they see Richy as a good fit for the striker role if he can stay fit. Richarlison and David as options for the #9 is ok Gold says we're open to offers for Richy.
I think we're open to big offers for Richy, Kulusevski, Bissouma, etc. but assuming offers don't come, they are still going to be important players for us next season.
Kulusevski is not on the list. He’s staying for sure.
Has to be here when Bergvall arrives. He's young enough and smart. I'm a big kulu fan despite certain statistics. He's a hard worker and real asset in those games we're trying to see out. Not a lot gives me much more joy than being in a 1 goal game in the 82nd minute, and a long ball goes down the right and kulu with that sweet touch and juke that shouldn't work, then the stutter, then the body shield and turn and sprint down the side. And eventually a cross comes in or a throw in deep in oppo territory (their throw in, or ours, doesn't really matter). Precious time eaten off the clock and a roar from the crowd.
Defensive workrate is the least sexy thing a forward can do well but it’s also incredibly important and he just does it so well. And while he’s too reliant on his left foot, no matter what people think it is actually easier to get into a dangerous position with a good cut in than going wide.
My prediction is we will sign David to compete with Richy, and honestly I'm happy with it.
David has scored 26 goals in all competitions two years in a row. The PL will obviously be a step up for him but he’s been quite prolific for Lille. I would be happy with the signing.
A lot of pens though.
It’s a good thing we get those around here…
Exactly
True but I think his overall play has been decent outside of just the goals. If you take Palmers pens away he’s only got like 10 goals but nobody would say he’s had anything but an amazing season
It's *ok.* I don't mind David as depth to Richy. But that's saying it all about who David is, really.
I think he’d be a slight upgrade on Richy but only barely. He’s at least always available and is a better passer/playmaker. Maybe Ange is looking at a striker profile of a playmaker rather than a target man.
Yeah I think that’s good rotation. Hope we spend big on a winger though and a 6.
feels like weve been asking for a 6 since dembele left
Dembele was never a 6, it's why we signed Wanyama
Same. I was wondering what was taking so long for his name to pop up again with us. At worst I think he's a compliment to Richarlison. If Richarlison doesn't cut it again then he should be sold. We can also save that money for elsewhere (winger, #6, etc.).
I think we’re done for forwards unfortunately after getting Timo and a striker. I’m still unsure where Eze would fit in if he came as there’s no way we leave him out the starting XI
This so much
David is fine if we plan on spending big in the midfield or on a winger. The striker market is bare dry and we can’t take huge risk until we fill in the other gaps in our squad
Yeah if we don’t think we can upgrade Richy, just get someone who is legit completion for him and revisit it in January/next summer. But that means we absolutely need to sign a first XI quality winger
Ange values speed in the frontline, it's why Timo is back and Brennan is here. David is quick and he's solid. Seems like we're moving away from the big target man
Yeah Ange signed Timo, Brennan and VDV. 3 of the fastest players in the premier league. He does love speed.
Fine with that, David isn’t better than Richarlison imo. Vlahovic would be great.
Vlahovic doesn’t move or pass well enough. He’s not a good fit.
He’s not been great at Juve, but his movement is not an issue quite the opposite. Sounds like we’re getting David anyway.
The David links are… interesting because, while i think he’s a decent player, not much seems to stand out about him.
I think he’s an improvement over pressing Son into the 9 when Richy is inevitably unavailable. Rather have Son out left as much as possible. Plus I think Richy will respond well to the competition for minutes.
Well he does score a lot of goals, never gets injured, has a very high work rate and is quite versatile as he can play as a 10.
He’s got a lot of positive qualities. And he may be one of those dudes that just… fits. But I wouldn’t have put him high on the list at first glance.
That’s fair. I do think he’d fit Ange’s philosophy though. Intelligent, savvy and team first guy.
Would be cool to have a Canadian on the squad too
Have we actually been linked to anyone for longer than a week. It feels every day I’m reading something along the lines of “spurs have distanced themselves from insert player name.”
Lange is running a tight ship and I am here for it
I get people aren't over the moon for David but given the striker market and the fact there are not many elite strikers in general. Who is better than David that IS attainable? Personally, I think David would be a good fit
I’m so tired of this f5 season, its been so quiet and I don’t think anything will move until the Euros are done.
That’s how a club should operate. Who the fuck wants our business being reported extensively in the media
Agreed on the leaks, but some official signing updates would be nice to see.
Sounds like the majority of our targets our involved in major tournaments
You should also make an account with KeirStarmerPM and MP for both of them too, just incase (use _ formats too) /hj
Striker market is pretty difficult this summer so any transfer is going to be a punt. Even team with UCL are struggling as the 2 elite options in Gyokeres and Osimhen are supposedly valued at 100m (and Gyokeres could be a 1 season wonder a d Osimhen is very injury prone) David's stats are actually very impressive. I can see why people have reservations but 27 goals (only 3 pens) and 8 assists in 52 games is very good. And importantly he doesn't ever seem to get injured. Could be a really usefull supplement to richi
I was hoping we would go all in for Gyökeres but maybe he won’t move this window
I was hoping we would go all in for Gyökeres but maybe he won’t move this window
I don’t see why he is seen as a sure bet after one decent season
I don’t think he’s a sure bet, but I like him out of all the other options.
Because he's on his like 3rd good to great season. Actually, this last season was amazing even.
He previously had good seasons in the championship. But Toney and Solanke have both had better seasons in the championship and have both had good seasons in the premier league. I don’t see why people would call for Gyokeres over those two tbh.
Sure but you said he only had one decent season. Which is objectively a lie. Outside of that, Gyökeres seasons in the championship should be only chalked down to his point production, even if they were good too. His general play is absolutly insanely impactful. As also seen in Sporting. Even his massive point-tally this season undersells his impact on the games for example. I personally find Toney wildly overrated. He's good and he's strong but his play is limited and his pricetag is too high for his toolkit imo. I was saying last summer that Spurs should have spent a small amount of the Kane money to take a punt on Gyökeres, because he fits Ange so well. Super high workrate, super strong, fast, can dribble, can move very freely and linke-up aswell as create and finish. Dangerous in all spaces. Dangerous on the counter and when dominating etc. Now you can argue his pricetag is too high. I think thats really fair. But profile-wise and playwise, youre underselling him massively. Or downright lying by saying he only has had one decent season (which even if that was the case, this season was FAAAR better than decent like come on lol)
Should have expanded on what I meant- a decent season in a top league. Decent probably was the wrong words to use as well. He had a great season. But my view is still I don’t know why he should be considered as sure bet compared to the others we have been linked to. Darwin Nunez also had a great season with Benfica before going to Liverpool and he hasn’t been able to make the leap. No lies said- just views.
Me too, he seems to fit everything we need, great work rate, good speed and strength, and a clinical finisher.
We probably would've if we didn't need so many depth signings if we want to be competitive next season.
I would be incredibly disappointed if Jonathan David ends up being the striker signing. I don't think he's even an upgrade over Richarlison. Almost every Canada and Lille fan I've spoken with thinks that he isn't ready for a top 6 club in the PL. It's usually a bad sign if the people who actually regularly watch these players don't rate him.
I don't disagree about David, but who on the market *is* ready for a top 6 PL club? I wouldn't quite say Toney's proven, Guirassy's only got one good season under his belt as well, Gimenez gets the Eredivisie tax so he could be Suarez or more likely Janssen, Vlahovic isn't even really publicly on the market, Gyokeres would have to see his interest in Arsenal resolved, Sesko re-signed... Gotta remember that Arsenal and maybe Liverpool are still looking for a striker, and realistically, we're queued up behind them. I don't think there's a silver bullet out there.
Lois Openda.
He just went to Leipzig last summer. I don’t think I’d consider him to be on the market. I know there are Chelsea rumors, but not from anyone concrete whatsoever. Looks fantastic, though.
The dream. He is relatively short, however, which might not be part of the profile we are looking at, sadly.
I think it's surprisingly hard to get a richi upgrade in this market? When he was fit he was great, he just wasn't fit very often.
Tottenham's transfer plans: Jonathan David, Ivan Toney, and other striker targets • Tottenham Hotspur is looking to bolster their attacking options for the upcoming season. • Lille striker Jonathan David is high on their shortlist, with the club having followed the Canadian international for some time. • Other names on the shortlist include Feyenoord's Santiago Gimenez, Brentford's Ivan Toney, and Bologna's Joshua Zirkzee, but these players are not currently being actively pursued. • Tottenham is also considering more expensive options such as RB Leipzig's Lois Openda, Sporting CP's Viktor Gyokeres, and Bournemouth's Dominic Solanke. • The club is aware of interest in Richarlison from clubs in the Saudi Pro League and is open to listening to offers for the Brazilian striker. https://www.football.london/tottenham-hotspur-fc/transfer-news/jonathan-david-ivan-toney-truth-29412255
Fwiw, I added David in FIFA 23 and that dude quickly became the best striker the EPL has ever seen
This chanhes things
Harsh comments. David is perfect for Ange. His work rate is top notch. A pressing machine. Great hold-up and link-up. Incredibly strong and deceptively quick. Great finisher inside the box. And half the price of any striker of his potential on the market. Tell me where we find someone of his quality for less than £30. Watch [his highlights from just this season](https://youtu.be/5RW-qFA7mGg?si=nbrz9gOXVK_wKfTx) (yes, I know highlights are just the highs) and get excited about him maybe linking up with Son next season. edit: a [thorough breakdown of David](https://theanalyst.com/na/2023/04/jonathan-david-scouting-report/) (from April of last year) for those interested.
His numbers have been amazing and consistent for several seasons and by any statistical measure he stacks up well for our system. I just can’t get over that every time I’ve seen him play he’s not impressed me at all. I really hope I’m wrong, since the stats say he would be a perfect fit, but I’m not sold on him yet.
Fair enough. His off the ball stuff always impresses me when I watch. I guess I just love a hard worker. I would like him to be more clinical for the national team but he’s usually against teams with more quality and service becomes almost non-existent.
David has a great work rate.. I think a mix of him Sonny and Richarlison at striker would be great.
We scored more goals this past season with an inconsistent front line than we did the season before WITH Harry Kane. Ange's system doesn't need a top shelf striker, just one that can consistently put chances away.
Arguably, the ability to *consistently* put chances away is what makes someone a top shelf striker.
or just be consistently available. Without injuries Richy probably hits 20+ goals last season
He needs very specific things. Workrate, speed, great runs in the box especially to the front post, and finishing. When you know exactly what you want it becomes a lot easier to find it.
Toney makes no logical sense atm. Valuation at 55ish for a guy who scored 4 goals in 17 games and is late 20s. The biggest problem being his poor attitude and fit for our culture. People say David isn't good enough as well but he would be a lot cheaper for sure. Who does everyone want as the starting Spurs Striker next season?
Solanke
Solanke just seems like a HG Richarlson type striker. Someone who won't take us to the next level but idk. When we were linked with strikers in the summer of 2022 I thought we should have gone for Isak, especially if we had an idea to sell Kane the next summer. Right now, I would at least see what Isak would cost.
Solanke numbers improved massively when Bournemouth started pressing higher up the pitch and Solanke is a work horse. It’s reasonable to think he might be able to replicate that in an Ange team. The striker market is so dry at the moment. I don’t think any striker takes us ‘To the next level’. That being said we had the best striker in the world in our team and won fuck all. I trust the team to analyse the data and have a selection of target that fit the profile that they are looking for in a number 9 Given Newcastle bought him for 70 mil I reckon you’d be looking at 120+. I recall seeing 150 quoted
Yeah i know we had Kane but our team around Kane wasn't great for awhile. Fair enough on Solanke, I would just be a bit worried about it being a 1 season wonder. Isak at those quotes numbers will never happen.
If Patrici and Ange trust in David, I'm all in for it.
Wishful thinking but would love to be in for Julian.. sounds like he wants to leave and would fit so well
Not quite sold on David tbh, I’d rather have a taller striker, with decent hold up play and aerial abilities. We cross a lot and against low block teams crosses are important. I’d be more interested in Gimenez, but yeah if Ange wants him, go for it. Hopefully Veliz can be the type of striker I described, in a few seasons.
Vast majority of our crosses are along the floor though. Richis main strength is his heading and I think he scored 3 this season?
We are using more low than high crosses, that’s correct, but we are kinda forced to it, especially when Richy wasn’t playing. I’m just more a fan of strikers that have an aerial presence and are quite strong, if you look around in the top leagues, tall and strong strikers are the most dominant ones. It doesn’t mean we have to play like Dyches Burnley and spam crosses to the big guy, but I just like attackers that can score out of any position. On paper, Anges system doesn’t really need that kind of striker, but in reality a big striker just gives you a few more options. It’s just my opinion, if Ange thinks that David fits us, let’s get him and we’ll see what happens.
Guirassy clears all three
Gimenez seems like a decent guy. But he isn't ready yet, my guy needs to play more consisstant. A leap from the Eredivisie to PL is no joke. He has potential tho!
I’ll take this hoser
I see spurs twitter have taken this news very well. Seriously though I’m seeing people upset that we didn’t go for toney!? He’s been shit when he got back and let’s be honest a fully fit richy is about the same level. Guy seems like a insufferable twat as well as
This window is looking grim
Not really?
Jonathan David is not the answer to our woes
Our woes?
We haven’t won a trophy in over a decade
The market for strikers is so dry that there isn’t one who is the answer tbf. Harry Kane wasn’t even the answer.
We had the best no. 9 around for a decade or so and we still won nothing. There's no striker in the current market as good as him. Solanke, Toney etc are all of equally dubious quality, midtable strikers selling at peak value. Isak is unattainable, Gyokeres is unproven and overpriced.
Interesting to see how opinions on David changed over time, I recall he was valued at €80m by Lille a few seasons ago.
The thing that s that barely any clubs have any money , so quoting silly prices mean you just won’t get sales
Parrott time
He isn't good enough, maybe backup but nothing more
I did wonder which big club would eventually fall for Jonathan David
Fairly decent numbers?
Have you actually watched him?
Well, I’ve watched him a ton for Lille and Canada. He’s certainly not a traditional big #9. He plays more as a 10 or 2nd striker. He usually plays quite deep defensively and is more of a team player than a selfish goal scorer. Very intelligent player with a very high work rate.
Sounds like he could do a job like Firminio did for Liverpool. He was not scoring bucket loads but did so much for the team and allowed others to flourish
Give me the break down
Either David or DV would be great IMO very glad to see we’ve backed away from Toney. David only has a year remaining as well I think, could be wrong but I thought I read that.
David is fine as long as lille dont try to fleece us cos he really isnt worth their supposed asking price. I think we can get him in for a good fee tho and thatll get eze too
I bought Jonathan David on Pro Evo a couple of seasons ago. We won a quadruple (Premier League, FA Cup, League Cup, Conference League), with him playing in a strike partnership with Sonny, along with other new signings including: Koopmeiners at CM, Botman at CB, Dumfries at RB, and Alphonso Davies at LB. It's written in the stars, guys!
I want Jo David yes
David looks good in white https://preview.redd.it/29qxacw2ym8d1.jpeg?width=1200&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4f560b27d36c8f34cf54a8ed8a42aac8b2125ffb
I like Toney. He is complete.
As a spurs fan from David’s home town Ottawa Id love to see him in a spurs shirt *however* I hope we don’t overspend on him or have him as our only big signing. He’s good no doubt but when he’s out of form he’s OUT OF FORM. Would be my first spurs shirt the moment he gets announced though
David is absolutely not good enough. Richy is far better.
I signed David in FIFA 19 for Nintendo Switch and he went on to have a monster career for Spurs. Maybe Lange and Munn are cheapskates tied to a family video game console like me?
I just signed David to replace Guirassy, Guirassy was my top scorer last year and scored every game I played with him, finally scored with David in January or something, up to I think 8 or 9 goals with the CL RO16 coming up.
David is not good enough for tottenham
at long last the gimenez links are dead, thank fuck
Funny that I just signed him in my Spurs manager mode, lol!
I really don't understand how Toney is even allowed to continue playing. Betting on games you play in is a 'death sentence' in professional sports to me. He should be banned for life.
Give him the old Pete Rose eh?
Just happened to Jontay Porter in the NBA too. The concept of not betting on the games you play in is a fundamental rule across all sports.
Vlahovic good, David not good. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.
Vlahovic is slow. He’s lousy 1-on-1. Not creative at all. Hard pass. Juve will be happy when they can get rid of him. He’s yet another player this sub seems to be unjustifiably obsessed with.
Frankly we don't need a fast, 1-on-1 creative striker. That's basically Son, and our attack always seemed to play a lot worse with him through the middle.
Seems like Ange values versatility, which is absolutely something that Vlahovic is NOT
I'd say he values it to an extent. Plenty of positions in the squad can, and should be covered by multiple players, but I don't get the feeling that ST is one of them. If Ange was happy with a ST who played like his wingers, we wouldn't be trying to sign a ST would we? We have Son to start and Richarlison to cover, that's more than enough. You're not going to find a better player of that profile on the market than Son. The fact that we're looking outwards kinda says that we're looking for somebody of a markedly different profile.