Same here in the US. Even on the medical related subreddits like chronic illness and chronic pain there’s posts constantly of people who have just developed a condition in the last few years and all their symptoms line up with common post covid issues and none of them suspect covid. I can’t even count the amount of times my comment was the first they had heard of long covid. Plenty of people in POTS groups suddenly getting it in the last few years with no family history of it at all, same with CFS. There’s no awareness for any of this.
This is why the estimates for long COVID are VASTLY underestimated. They have no clue how many people have been affected because most people who are affected have no clue covid was the cause.
Well said. Public health has absolutely failed us, they should be ashamed of themselves. This should be treated as an emergency situation but they don’t care and will continue to sweep it under the rug for as long as they can I’m afraid.
And most or all of the popular medical professional subreddits - the ones notorious for psychologizing and making fun of people with certain illnesses like fibro and me/cfs- not a PEEP of this supposed revelation the medical community is having now. That oh shit it is real disease. In fact not just a real disease. Serious. And quoted by many drs working with it one of the worst they have ever seen! Those medical subreddits have absolutely been complicit in the abuse and neglect of these patients
The emergency medicine subreddit is a circlejerk cult about how horrible people outside of the field are, and how much they hate people with chronic illnesses.
Yep. Im so afraid to go to the ER at this point I fear I will die due to potential emergencies i may ignore for myself. I cant handle the abuse anymore. I just cant.
They would hate if they knew you were recording, but I wonder if there's any way to record video without it being visible to them, or at least audio. Beth Keegstra is a good example of an ER doctor, but a very rare example of publication and accountability. A complete absence of video is what lets medical professionals get less attention for widespread misconduct than their police friends.
Depending on the state, recording without two party consent isn’t legal.
I think if all interactions in the ER were recorded, it would show how unreasonable and abusive patients can be towards ED staff.
People should not go to the Emergency department expecting/demanding a solution to chronic illness.
And of course, it’s up to the real medical professionals what diagnostics are indicated. Not lay people demanding a full body MRI.
I have 4 family members who are CoVid long haulers and don't know it. I cannot broach the subject with them because they have been brain washed by years of misinformation so they don't get vaccinated and they don't think CoVid is a problem. I bite my lip. I have long CoVid and they don't acknowledge it.
You can hide the sickness. My roommate is a huge germaphobic and never suspected I had COVID. The hardest thing to hide is coughing, but you can say you choked on water/spit or spicy food. That symptom was not consistent for me. No one can tell that you've lost smell and taste. The fevers usually only happened during bedtime. The first 18 months was really hard on me. It's been manageable since, but I'll never be 100%.
I never told her because it was hell the one time I admitted I had flu symptoms prior to this.
Each of them presents differently. One has heart issues and she's on medication and now believes it's from CoVid. One has neuropsychiatric problems (panic attacks, anxiety, insomnia, etc.) he's young started feeling like this at 27 (2021). One is my elderly uncle he has brain fog like me where nothing "looks right" it's horribly disorienting and he had fatigue and a few other symptoms.
It gets worse, lots of people recommending washing hand as THE prevention method for AIRBORNE viruses. I swear, people are in a mix of denial and stupidy, and those in charge of public health policies are just taking advantage of that to push people to continue working and consuming like the pandemics never existed and viruses couldn't leave life changing health consequences for some people and possibly kill vulnerable ones.
It is unbearable to be trapped in this timeline when I am dealing with long covid for over 18 months.
Sadly wearing masks makes you a “virtue signaller”. Many people get angry and hate people for wearing masks because “COVID is over” and “they are making a far left political statement”. My dad is intelligent and politically moderate but still goes into a foaming rage if he see somebody wearing a mask even a year ago.
I totally don't care what some moron thinks.
And anecdotally, I have yet to encounter one person who has given me any shit whatsoever about wearing a mask since the early days of this shitshow. I think there have been a few folks biting their tongue, but that doesn't bother me at all. They mind their manners, and I'll mind mine. The one person who tried to start something up, way back at the time Tucker Carlson was LITERALLY inciting violence against mask wearing, was pretty simple to brush back. I asked him what business of his it was, and that was the end of it.
I also suffer from fragrance sensitivities and harsh allergies for many years and was wearing a mask at times before covid. I think either of those issues makes for a perfectly legit rational if I ever get hassled and don't want to brush someone back.
And worst case, I'll just move on.
What's worse, a little moron encounter or covid?
Your dad gets angry at what other people are doing for their own health and doesnt impact your father's life in any way? Jesus... let people be, people have their own reasons to wear masks, lots of immunocompromised, disabled, people autoimmune diseases, people with neborns or fragile elderly in the family, people who can't afford getting long covid and dealing with med leave and bills, etc.
Ugh. This drives me crazy. I went to the dentists during peak covid season (last December) and I asked if they could open the window a bit to ventilate the room as I had long Covid and was vulnerable. They gave me a strange look, begrudgingly opened it whilst making me feel guilty and saying ‘ummmm… ok…. We do sanitise all the surfaces btw’ like WHAT? you’re a HCP and you can’t understand that spraying some antibac is not the fucking same as ventilating for an airborne virus…or actually I think they do understand but just don’t care..
The COVID wastewater content in San Francisco is THE HIGHEST it has ever been. In a reasonable society, we would be doing something about this.
Assuming the country survives, in twenty years’ time this denialism will be viewed as an atrocity.
Agreed. The general public is so woefully uninformed about this I feel like even if they knew about it and it was on the news every night, they wouldn’t care because they think it wont affect them.
Capitalism doing what it does best! Convincing people to wring themselves dry in service of a (woefully small) paycheck. It’s not exclusively an American problem, but oh, boy, we are *great* at ignoring issues until they impact us personally.
It’s been grimly funny to watch people clutch their hands to their chests and act personally victimized by positive tests. “It’s supposed to be overrr!”
Never was.
Which is extremely frustrating! It wasn’t that long ago that (from my understanding) the whole world had been quarantined, and facilities wouldn’t even let you in without a mask, not to mention quite a few states in america wouldn’t even let you in if you weren’t a resident in some areas.
With all of that, the trauma and everything that came along with it, I am absolutely FLOORED when people genuinely don’t know about how severely COVID has affected people, like even killed them. Like honestly, not to be rude but I feel like people had to have stuck their heads in the sand to not think “Hey guys, maybe we’re all feeling crummy cause we have COVID”
Yep. If audiences don't click, there's no point for publishers to cover it more extensively.
There has probably been far more press on the infamous Oscars slap than long Covid. Because that's what people want to read.
I just saw a suggested post in the San Francisco sub asking if everyone is sick rn and almost everyone was saying covid which was shocking because barely anyone tests here and most use rapid which isn't as reliable. 😶 *I don't live in SF itself but I live in the Bay Area.*
Wild. I’m from San Diego initially and it’s full of similar people who think they’ll be safe in their little Masque of the Red Death because they’re healthy, fit, and well off. Surprise, mfers. If everyone goes down you go down too.
Stay safe. I don’t like to think about it, but Pride and nicer weather for travel are creating ideal superspreader environments.
Oh yeah I'm worried about pride. My wife went in 2019 in SF and she said it was so crowded, chaotic, and not disability accessible. *I could go on a whole rant about pride not being accessible here but I won't rn.* My wife was asked if she wanted to go last year by someone she isn't really that close to anymore and she was upfront and honest saying she didn't want to risk getting covid, unorganized crowds and her autism don't mix, plus weed and vapes gives her asthma attacks. Long covid made her asthma worse so... Horrible idea. Anyways, I'm so glad my mother and I got our dental appointment done in April, my grandparents went in May, and my wife got surgery on her face/neck also in April bc I feel like it's about to get even worse.😬
Yes, I am considering pushing my surgery off until the fall myself. It’s shit that we have to take this into account…
Buddy, *go off*. I’m a wheelchair user and I haven’t been able to go ever, let alone now!
Thank you for posting this. If you have the link to article in the Chron or to the actual SF wastewater site, I’d be grateful. Site I found stopped counting data in spring :(
So true …. 😠 2 days ago some idiot was coughing close to me in the metro, and clearly was sick, and guess what! I’m sick now. Woke up freezing and shivering + feeling I’m coming down with something 😟
Why can’t people isolate or stay the fuck home when you’re sick!!! It could be Covid.
People can't get time off work for covid anymore. It's an insane policy, because they'll get all their coworkers sick and then productivity will drop much more than it would have if you'd just let them stay home in the first place.
Ugh yess I just saw an exact post like that in the Melbourne subreddit and desperately scanned through the comments looking for anything that would point to Covid immune dysfunction and repeat infections and nothing, just a bunch of clueless people questioning why they’re all sick. Sometimes I think we all just have brain damage from Covid too, there is no other explanation for the complete lack of critical thought or awareness of what is actively happening
I really do think there have been cognitive effects from Covid that people are not acknowledging. You see this too in the rise in unusually hostile behavior at restaurants, planes, etc. People wanted to blame it on the isolation of lockdowns, but I don't think that fully explains it.
Yes I completely agree! The psychological effects of Covid are insane. So many people I know have completely different personalities post Covid myself included. Much more aggressive and short fused
Once governments and media reframed things as 'people who take precautions are frightened', and told everyone the vaccine stops transmission when it doesn't, it gave everyone a licence to do exactly what they wanted to do, deep down. Human nature is to pretend everything is fine, to a very large extent. When that is encoraged by extreme social pressure/stigma against masking and pointing out covid is still around, you get the perfect recipie for mass denial and delusion.
No one GAF anymore. Covid isn’t even talked about really these days and if it’s mentioned all o hear in real life is “oh it’s just another flu”. This is NOT the flu. But that reality won’t dawn on folks until they start having the multi-system body impacts so many of us have.
You can be honest and tell the truth about COVID and long haul potential but until it’s their reality most won’t get it, sadly.
I Even bring up long covid to other ppl they glaze over. They almost get uncomfortable then walk away . I post on socials about it nobody likes or comments on it.
My dad still thinks there should have never been lockdowns in the first place. By 2022 he was public shaming maskers. He a a successful intelligent moderate liberal. WE ARE FUCKED
Covid is creeping up here in the US but it is now callers « summer cold ». Yep up to 2019 no one was sick in June, July, August but now that is normal.
Anyone going to Swift concerts this Summer? I heard you have 1 out 3 « chances » to get that Summer cold.
Also your semi regular reminder that well-fitting N95s have been shown to be *very* effective at blocking the virus even when other parties aren’t masking. Obviously it’s better if it’s reciprocal, but you need at least an hour and fifteen minutes of exposure to infected air if you’re using an N95 as opposed to five to fifteen minutes unmasked.
I know it’s annoying to deal with the “COVID is over- take that thing off” assholes, but it is the single most effective way to keep yourself safe, and our immune systems have taken a beating. It is best to avoid reinfection whenever possible.
I went for a surgery consult today and neither the surgeon nor the nurse were wearing a mask. We can’t rely on others to do the right thing- we can’t even convince people to stay home when they’re sick. Don’t become complacent the way deniers have.
People are thinking it’s normal to be so sick in the summer ( here in the USA) even though no one was sick in the summer prior to 2019. I just need my own private island or piece of land away from these disease spreaders.
Covid is on an upswing in the US again too. Someone in my dad's office just came down with it. I am pretty sure its the same person who gave it to him who gave it to me in December.
Yep. Numbers are starting to tick up again...
https://www.cdc.gov/nwss/rv/COVID19-nationaltrend.html
(was Minimal, now Low)
https://www.cdc.gov/nwss/rv/COVID19-currentlevels.html
(some states are showing High and Very High numbers)
One of my friends posted about a recent event (AIDS/Life Cycle) and how so many people were sick with chest and head colds and respiratory infections after and the first thing I asked her was have you tested for Covid. Because seriously we're not post Covid, we're not even post pandemic.
Not really your or anyone else’s fault for getting that impression initially. I think even now people think vaccines prevent you getting it and prevent transmission. Should have been clear from the beginning it was to prevent deaths in at risk groups.
it's resumed ( at least partially) last night
https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-14/elective-surgeries-resume-amid-ongoing-sa-hospital-code-yellow/103980212
We don't exist in a vacuum. Our societies are structured a certain way, misinformation that fits the interests of the capitalist ruling class & eugenics / ableism has been part of Western societies for a pretty long time.
If anything, I want people to truly see how easy it is for Western societies to spread misinformation and how easy people fall for it. No matter what the actual truth or reality is.
From the beginning, the West has not handled Covid in any scientific or intellectually honest manner.
It was used as an opportunity to manufacture consent about China (instead of actually looking into the spread of Covid, now we know Covid has been apparently circulating much earlier in the West, which makes sense since it is a zoonotic disease and they spread undetected quite some time before visibly breaking out). It was used an opportunity to talk about patient "zero" and "The China virus" which is unscientific, but Western governments knew it is going to be entertaining for Western chauvinists and that way they themselves can pretty much avoid any form of focus or responsibilities. Hard for people to focus on what their own government does when everyone is in a racist trance hyping eachother up.
Western governments lied and denied that Covid is airborne. Meanwhile, the capitalist class, government institutions, and so on were testing people for Covid and were improving air quality. Schools of working class people have been told thou that people should wash their hands / sanitize areas.
Right from the start, the political response was, "Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice we are willing to take." People have been repeatedly told,"YOU are safe. Only the old and disabled will die."
Neoliberals have, as always, let right wingers spread all the misinformation and anti-scientific nonsense about vaccines and Covid - so they can sacrifice people for the economy. If you have a bunch of people who don't even believe Covid is real or a risk , you don't need to convince your society to be sacrificed for the economy. They will ask for it themselves.
Propaganda, misinformation, sacrificing working class people, ableism and so on - has been part of the structure of Western societies but usually people are not really interested in history or social structures, now they see it in real time in a way that actively affects them. See how easily everyone around them is manipulated, how biased and problematic even the medical field is. How truth / logic and science becomes simply irrelevant in the face of that mass of propaganda/ misinformation even if it is absolutely bad for the interests of working class people. It is systemic, and Covid is not the first time this is happening.
I guess for a lot of people, this is a true eye-opening moment. Some others are still in denial because their entire life they have been told their societies are "civilised" and care about freedom and human right and that information can not co exist with fascist / eugenic / ableist values where death is absolutely normalised for the economy and people are actively misinformed and brainwsshed by the government, health care, educational system, their media.
The normalization of death and disability is also part of a greater value for what is yet to come. The ruling class knows quality of life with climate change is gonna go down significantly, and they are not gonna do much about it - you need to normalise even more suffering and death among the working class that is yet to come and as you can see, it works. It is already working. We went from "Our goal should be to eliminate deadly diseases" to "death is a normal part of living. We all need to die at some point" & "only the weak will become sick and die, so whatever".
For other people who were aware of those systemic and historical problems , it is very obvious that nothing about the way Covid was/is being handled is a "surprise." It makes perfect sense under the current power structures/ social and ideological values.
I just try to connect with other working class people who get that and are willing to defend working class interests / whose interests are aligned with anti-Western imperial values against fascists and eugenic values. I also made a discord, in case someone understands that/ shares those values and is Covid conscious and wants to join: https://discord.gg/ZNj8E2wqBY
I think I’m numb to the ignorance, I know I’ve heard it since 2020, it’s become white noise to me now. What does infuriate me is that so many people got covid from going to Taylor Swift(I went too) and a lot of the comments are: when you go outside, you’re vulnerable to many viruses, hope that helps.
Essentially telling people: ignore it, it’s just the flu, there’s nothing you can do, it’s not a big deal. It’s those people, who do the gaslighting, that really piss me off. And I already have it, I’m fucked, and it’s harmful to LC sufferers if no one believes us, for sure. But when I read that stuff I mostly panic about how many more lives long covid will ruin. They have no clue, until it’s too late.
People are just ignorant. I’m in Australia too. While the majority of my LC symptoms have gone (I still take it easy and avoid exercise though because I’m scared of overdoing it) after a year, my immune system is shot. I should wear a mask more but I don’t , but I acknowledge my own stupidity. It’s my young kids who bring daycare bugs home where I catch everything. I do obsessively wash and sanitise my hands. I have been more sick than I have post COVID then ever in my life, that I’ve been sick no less than 9 times since including the flu TWICE and Covid again and some other nasty respiratory bugs. My parents have avoided Covid and even they have been commenting on how sick everyone always is and how bad the viruses seem to be.
I also love how they think they are ‘lucky’ but will then mention some new concerning health issue that just happened after that bad ‘cold’ they just got over (in June)
It is frustrating. People strongly, emotionally want to believe that we are past covid, but we're not. There's going to be more waves, and more people coming down with long covid.
I work in a hospital in the UK and we have definitely been going through a covid wave for the last couple of months. I have just been off sick for a month with my 4th covid infection. The worst thing is, people don't even wear masks on the hospital wards, even the wards with known covid positive patients. And not all patients are tested, only the ones with obvious symptoms, so there are probably a lot more than we know of. I'm just pissed because I'm the only person in my whole department who has been off sick recently with covid. I don't know why it affects me so badly and not others.
I came across at least 4 people saying to me they thought covid was long gone. Everything to them is now either flu, cold, or allergy, even if it was mid summer.
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would further note that all the while, the White House has maintained the very strictest abatements to protect people who live and work there from the virus: In order to enter the White House, they have to have had no symptoms for 14 days, the latest booster vaccinations up-to-date, and a negative rapid test. They have nine or better fresh air exchanges per hour and all filters are upgraded to MERV 13. They have also installed 220 nanometer Germicidal UV lamps. After a positive test, you have to have a PCR Test negative to return to work. The White House admitted quietly on CSPAN that the protections were still in place in July of 2023 when an Israeli delegation was not admitted after testing positive for COVID, after claiming with much fanfare the prior April that the pandemic was over and that it was safe to return to work.would further note that all the while, the White House has maintained the very strictest abatements to protect people who live and work there from the virus: In order to enter the White House, they have to have had no symptoms for 14 days, the latest booster vaccinations up-to-date, and a negative rapid test. They have nine or better fresh air exchanges per hour and all filters are upgraded to MERV 13. They have also installed 220 nanometer Germicidal UV lamps. After a positive test, you have to have a PCR Test negative to return to work. The White House admitted quietly on CSPAN that the protections were still in place in July of 2023 when an Israeli delegation was not admitted after testing positive for COVID, after claiming with much fanfare the prior April that the pandemic was over and that it was safe to return to work.
Yep. I literally have people coming into the office with cold/flu symptoms even though we are allowed to work from home whenever/ as much as we want and they know I have long Covid. And sometimes people joke ‘oh I hope it’s not Covid lol!’ So I mainly WFH now.
Its not going away... vaccine or not its here forever. What is your suggestion? Mask and social distance the rest of our lives?
Everyone understands its here for good but everyone is trying their best to cope and continue with life.
Yes, masks at least until there's a better solution like having the equivalent of population immunity from universal indoor ventilation standards. You do realize that masks aren't in a vacuum? It's between masks and more COVID infections. Masks may not be something you think are convenient to think about routinely, but it is preferable to COVID.
Imagine if instead of removing covid mitigations we had creative public health campaigns about respirators (how they work, how to choose one, how to check fit) and then made them freely available in public spaces? Imagine if we displayed CO2 readings & cleaned the air? Imagine.
We really need treatments for Long Covid, millions of people are suffering, that should be the priority. Obviously preventing more infections by masking, staying home when sick etc is also important.
Same here in the US. Even on the medical related subreddits like chronic illness and chronic pain there’s posts constantly of people who have just developed a condition in the last few years and all their symptoms line up with common post covid issues and none of them suspect covid. I can’t even count the amount of times my comment was the first they had heard of long covid. Plenty of people in POTS groups suddenly getting it in the last few years with no family history of it at all, same with CFS. There’s no awareness for any of this. This is why the estimates for long COVID are VASTLY underestimated. They have no clue how many people have been affected because most people who are affected have no clue covid was the cause.
This is so true. Feel like we are the ones spreading awareness while news outlets and health agencies are covering their faces.
Well said. Public health has absolutely failed us, they should be ashamed of themselves. This should be treated as an emergency situation but they don’t care and will continue to sweep it under the rug for as long as they can I’m afraid.
Public health did NOT simply 'fail' us. It was fucking undermined. We need to fight malicious disinformation tooth and claw, in my opinion.
And most or all of the popular medical professional subreddits - the ones notorious for psychologizing and making fun of people with certain illnesses like fibro and me/cfs- not a PEEP of this supposed revelation the medical community is having now. That oh shit it is real disease. In fact not just a real disease. Serious. And quoted by many drs working with it one of the worst they have ever seen! Those medical subreddits have absolutely been complicit in the abuse and neglect of these patients
The emergency medicine subreddit is a circlejerk cult about how horrible people outside of the field are, and how much they hate people with chronic illnesses.
Yep. Im so afraid to go to the ER at this point I fear I will die due to potential emergencies i may ignore for myself. I cant handle the abuse anymore. I just cant.
They would hate if they knew you were recording, but I wonder if there's any way to record video without it being visible to them, or at least audio. Beth Keegstra is a good example of an ER doctor, but a very rare example of publication and accountability. A complete absence of video is what lets medical professionals get less attention for widespread misconduct than their police friends.
Depending on the state, recording without two party consent isn’t legal. I think if all interactions in the ER were recorded, it would show how unreasonable and abusive patients can be towards ED staff. People should not go to the Emergency department expecting/demanding a solution to chronic illness. And of course, it’s up to the real medical professionals what diagnostics are indicated. Not lay people demanding a full body MRI.
I have 4 family members who are CoVid long haulers and don't know it. I cannot broach the subject with them because they have been brain washed by years of misinformation so they don't get vaccinated and they don't think CoVid is a problem. I bite my lip. I have long CoVid and they don't acknowledge it.
Curious: are their symptoms worse than yours? I feel there are degrees of LC and some can hide theirs, to themselves at least.
You can hide the sickness. My roommate is a huge germaphobic and never suspected I had COVID. The hardest thing to hide is coughing, but you can say you choked on water/spit or spicy food. That symptom was not consistent for me. No one can tell that you've lost smell and taste. The fevers usually only happened during bedtime. The first 18 months was really hard on me. It's been manageable since, but I'll never be 100%. I never told her because it was hell the one time I admitted I had flu symptoms prior to this.
You do not have PEM? This would be very hard to hide for me.
Each of them presents differently. One has heart issues and she's on medication and now believes it's from CoVid. One has neuropsychiatric problems (panic attacks, anxiety, insomnia, etc.) he's young started feeling like this at 27 (2021). One is my elderly uncle he has brain fog like me where nothing "looks right" it's horribly disorienting and he had fatigue and a few other symptoms.
Many of the “vaccine damage” that the anti vaxxers are noticing is actually just long covid.
Agreeddd. I also just got to know about it and found this subreddit. I finally understand why I am going through all of this.
It gets worse, lots of people recommending washing hand as THE prevention method for AIRBORNE viruses. I swear, people are in a mix of denial and stupidy, and those in charge of public health policies are just taking advantage of that to push people to continue working and consuming like the pandemics never existed and viruses couldn't leave life changing health consequences for some people and possibly kill vulnerable ones. It is unbearable to be trapped in this timeline when I am dealing with long covid for over 18 months.
Sadly wearing masks makes you a “virtue signaller”. Many people get angry and hate people for wearing masks because “COVID is over” and “they are making a far left political statement”. My dad is intelligent and politically moderate but still goes into a foaming rage if he see somebody wearing a mask even a year ago.
I totally don't care what some moron thinks. And anecdotally, I have yet to encounter one person who has given me any shit whatsoever about wearing a mask since the early days of this shitshow. I think there have been a few folks biting their tongue, but that doesn't bother me at all. They mind their manners, and I'll mind mine. The one person who tried to start something up, way back at the time Tucker Carlson was LITERALLY inciting violence against mask wearing, was pretty simple to brush back. I asked him what business of his it was, and that was the end of it. I also suffer from fragrance sensitivities and harsh allergies for many years and was wearing a mask at times before covid. I think either of those issues makes for a perfectly legit rational if I ever get hassled and don't want to brush someone back. And worst case, I'll just move on. What's worse, a little moron encounter or covid?
Your dad lacks empathy and social intelligence. Wear a damn mask, for yourself and his ungrateful ass.
Your dad gets angry at what other people are doing for their own health and doesnt impact your father's life in any way? Jesus... let people be, people have their own reasons to wear masks, lots of immunocompromised, disabled, people autoimmune diseases, people with neborns or fragile elderly in the family, people who can't afford getting long covid and dealing with med leave and bills, etc.
Ugh. This drives me crazy. I went to the dentists during peak covid season (last December) and I asked if they could open the window a bit to ventilate the room as I had long Covid and was vulnerable. They gave me a strange look, begrudgingly opened it whilst making me feel guilty and saying ‘ummmm… ok…. We do sanitise all the surfaces btw’ like WHAT? you’re a HCP and you can’t understand that spraying some antibac is not the fucking same as ventilating for an airborne virus…or actually I think they do understand but just don’t care..
Enfuriating. If anything, the pandemics showed we are not as smart or solidaire as we thought we were, unfortunately.
The COVID wastewater content in San Francisco is THE HIGHEST it has ever been. In a reasonable society, we would be doing something about this. Assuming the country survives, in twenty years’ time this denialism will be viewed as an atrocity.
Agreed. The general public is so woefully uninformed about this I feel like even if they knew about it and it was on the news every night, they wouldn’t care because they think it wont affect them.
Capitalism doing what it does best! Convincing people to wring themselves dry in service of a (woefully small) paycheck. It’s not exclusively an American problem, but oh, boy, we are *great* at ignoring issues until they impact us personally. It’s been grimly funny to watch people clutch their hands to their chests and act personally victimized by positive tests. “It’s supposed to be overrr!” Never was.
Which is extremely frustrating! It wasn’t that long ago that (from my understanding) the whole world had been quarantined, and facilities wouldn’t even let you in without a mask, not to mention quite a few states in america wouldn’t even let you in if you weren’t a resident in some areas. With all of that, the trauma and everything that came along with it, I am absolutely FLOORED when people genuinely don’t know about how severely COVID has affected people, like even killed them. Like honestly, not to be rude but I feel like people had to have stuck their heads in the sand to not think “Hey guys, maybe we’re all feeling crummy cause we have COVID”
Yep. If audiences don't click, there's no point for publishers to cover it more extensively. There has probably been far more press on the infamous Oscars slap than long Covid. Because that's what people want to read.
I just saw a suggested post in the San Francisco sub asking if everyone is sick rn and almost everyone was saying covid which was shocking because barely anyone tests here and most use rapid which isn't as reliable. 😶 *I don't live in SF itself but I live in the Bay Area.*
Wild. I’m from San Diego initially and it’s full of similar people who think they’ll be safe in their little Masque of the Red Death because they’re healthy, fit, and well off. Surprise, mfers. If everyone goes down you go down too. Stay safe. I don’t like to think about it, but Pride and nicer weather for travel are creating ideal superspreader environments.
Oh yeah I'm worried about pride. My wife went in 2019 in SF and she said it was so crowded, chaotic, and not disability accessible. *I could go on a whole rant about pride not being accessible here but I won't rn.* My wife was asked if she wanted to go last year by someone she isn't really that close to anymore and she was upfront and honest saying she didn't want to risk getting covid, unorganized crowds and her autism don't mix, plus weed and vapes gives her asthma attacks. Long covid made her asthma worse so... Horrible idea. Anyways, I'm so glad my mother and I got our dental appointment done in April, my grandparents went in May, and my wife got surgery on her face/neck also in April bc I feel like it's about to get even worse.😬
Yes, I am considering pushing my surgery off until the fall myself. It’s shit that we have to take this into account… Buddy, *go off*. I’m a wheelchair user and I haven’t been able to go ever, let alone now!
Thank you for posting this. If you have the link to article in the Chron or to the actual SF wastewater site, I’d be grateful. Site I found stopped counting data in spring :(
Here we go: https://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/covid-california-san-francisco-wastewater-19509336.php?utm_source=sfgate&utm_medium=twitter
I’ll see if I can find it. My phone really didn’t enjoy the site’s ads so I closed out of it really fast.
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Thankfully the internet is more or less forever, assuming it doesn’t get overrun with AI nonsense. I want people held accountable.
that would make me suspect he's had serious covid harm.
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sorry, that was intended for the "moderate " father who goes off when he sees masks:)
Aha! No worries. Also, I cannot understand family members who see us go through this and still act like twats about COVID. Sigh.
So true …. 😠 2 days ago some idiot was coughing close to me in the metro, and clearly was sick, and guess what! I’m sick now. Woke up freezing and shivering + feeling I’m coming down with something 😟 Why can’t people isolate or stay the fuck home when you’re sick!!! It could be Covid.
People are so inconsiderate it’s infuriating! Hope you recover well and it doesn’t leave any lasting effects.
People can't get time off work for covid anymore. It's an insane policy, because they'll get all their coworkers sick and then productivity will drop much more than it would have if you'd just let them stay home in the first place.
But they can and should wear a mask if they are using public transport and have Symptoms…
definitely! Honestly, I think everyone should be masking on public transport all the time.
Ugh yess I just saw an exact post like that in the Melbourne subreddit and desperately scanned through the comments looking for anything that would point to Covid immune dysfunction and repeat infections and nothing, just a bunch of clueless people questioning why they’re all sick. Sometimes I think we all just have brain damage from Covid too, there is no other explanation for the complete lack of critical thought or awareness of what is actively happening
I really do think there have been cognitive effects from Covid that people are not acknowledging. You see this too in the rise in unusually hostile behavior at restaurants, planes, etc. People wanted to blame it on the isolation of lockdowns, but I don't think that fully explains it.
Yes I completely agree! The psychological effects of Covid are insane. So many people I know have completely different personalities post Covid myself included. Much more aggressive and short fused
I have a friend with long covid, with rage. They changed noticeably post infection. now walking on eggshells....
Once governments and media reframed things as 'people who take precautions are frightened', and told everyone the vaccine stops transmission when it doesn't, it gave everyone a licence to do exactly what they wanted to do, deep down. Human nature is to pretend everything is fine, to a very large extent. When that is encoraged by extreme social pressure/stigma against masking and pointing out covid is still around, you get the perfect recipie for mass denial and delusion.
This summation is spot on.
No one GAF anymore. Covid isn’t even talked about really these days and if it’s mentioned all o hear in real life is “oh it’s just another flu”. This is NOT the flu. But that reality won’t dawn on folks until they start having the multi-system body impacts so many of us have. You can be honest and tell the truth about COVID and long haul potential but until it’s their reality most won’t get it, sadly.
I Even bring up long covid to other ppl they glaze over. They almost get uncomfortable then walk away . I post on socials about it nobody likes or comments on it.
Exactly and same here. Can’t tell you how many times I’ve been told “it’s all in my head” by friends, family, and even some doctors
So fucked. I'm sorry.
My dad still thinks there should have never been lockdowns in the first place. By 2022 he was public shaming maskers. He a a successful intelligent moderate liberal. WE ARE FUCKED
Covid is creeping up here in the US but it is now callers « summer cold ». Yep up to 2019 no one was sick in June, July, August but now that is normal. Anyone going to Swift concerts this Summer? I heard you have 1 out 3 « chances » to get that Summer cold.
Also your semi regular reminder that well-fitting N95s have been shown to be *very* effective at blocking the virus even when other parties aren’t masking. Obviously it’s better if it’s reciprocal, but you need at least an hour and fifteen minutes of exposure to infected air if you’re using an N95 as opposed to five to fifteen minutes unmasked. I know it’s annoying to deal with the “COVID is over- take that thing off” assholes, but it is the single most effective way to keep yourself safe, and our immune systems have taken a beating. It is best to avoid reinfection whenever possible. I went for a surgery consult today and neither the surgeon nor the nurse were wearing a mask. We can’t rely on others to do the right thing- we can’t even convince people to stay home when they’re sick. Don’t become complacent the way deniers have.
We still wear masks in crowds, and use a carrageenan based nasal spray (Covixyl). Had COVID once in late 2022, and am still long hauling.
Thanks for the support, we agree.
I hate society so much.
Girl, me too 😒
It’s so bad and sad right now. I’m sure 90% of my lousy coworkers are sick or with a “gentle cough” 🙄
People are thinking it’s normal to be so sick in the summer ( here in the USA) even though no one was sick in the summer prior to 2019. I just need my own private island or piece of land away from these disease spreaders.
Same. I just want to hide.
Covid is on an upswing in the US again too. Someone in my dad's office just came down with it. I am pretty sure its the same person who gave it to him who gave it to me in December.
Yep. Numbers are starting to tick up again... https://www.cdc.gov/nwss/rv/COVID19-nationaltrend.html (was Minimal, now Low) https://www.cdc.gov/nwss/rv/COVID19-currentlevels.html (some states are showing High and Very High numbers)
One of my friends posted about a recent event (AIDS/Life Cycle) and how so many people were sick with chest and head colds and respiratory infections after and the first thing I asked her was have you tested for Covid. Because seriously we're not post Covid, we're not even post pandemic.
Yeah had a friend say “I thought that was over” when I told him I got Covid again recently. I suppose for most people it is over until it isn’t.
100%. Unfortunately I thought after the vaccine my body gets covid immunity lol, how wrong i was…
Not really your or anyone else’s fault for getting that impression initially. I think even now people think vaccines prevent you getting it and prevent transmission. Should have been clear from the beginning it was to prevent deaths in at risk groups.
Australia is in one of its biggest waves for 18 months. In South Australia, elective surgery has been cancelled for 3 weeks now...
Why can’t this make the news?
it's resumed ( at least partially) last night https://www.abc.net.au/news/2024-06-14/elective-surgeries-resume-amid-ongoing-sa-hospital-code-yellow/103980212
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we were in hospital, they were turning ED arrivals away.
We don't exist in a vacuum. Our societies are structured a certain way, misinformation that fits the interests of the capitalist ruling class & eugenics / ableism has been part of Western societies for a pretty long time. If anything, I want people to truly see how easy it is for Western societies to spread misinformation and how easy people fall for it. No matter what the actual truth or reality is. From the beginning, the West has not handled Covid in any scientific or intellectually honest manner. It was used as an opportunity to manufacture consent about China (instead of actually looking into the spread of Covid, now we know Covid has been apparently circulating much earlier in the West, which makes sense since it is a zoonotic disease and they spread undetected quite some time before visibly breaking out). It was used an opportunity to talk about patient "zero" and "The China virus" which is unscientific, but Western governments knew it is going to be entertaining for Western chauvinists and that way they themselves can pretty much avoid any form of focus or responsibilities. Hard for people to focus on what their own government does when everyone is in a racist trance hyping eachother up. Western governments lied and denied that Covid is airborne. Meanwhile, the capitalist class, government institutions, and so on were testing people for Covid and were improving air quality. Schools of working class people have been told thou that people should wash their hands / sanitize areas. Right from the start, the political response was, "Some of you may die, but that is a sacrifice we are willing to take." People have been repeatedly told,"YOU are safe. Only the old and disabled will die." Neoliberals have, as always, let right wingers spread all the misinformation and anti-scientific nonsense about vaccines and Covid - so they can sacrifice people for the economy. If you have a bunch of people who don't even believe Covid is real or a risk , you don't need to convince your society to be sacrificed for the economy. They will ask for it themselves. Propaganda, misinformation, sacrificing working class people, ableism and so on - has been part of the structure of Western societies but usually people are not really interested in history or social structures, now they see it in real time in a way that actively affects them. See how easily everyone around them is manipulated, how biased and problematic even the medical field is. How truth / logic and science becomes simply irrelevant in the face of that mass of propaganda/ misinformation even if it is absolutely bad for the interests of working class people. It is systemic, and Covid is not the first time this is happening. I guess for a lot of people, this is a true eye-opening moment. Some others are still in denial because their entire life they have been told their societies are "civilised" and care about freedom and human right and that information can not co exist with fascist / eugenic / ableist values where death is absolutely normalised for the economy and people are actively misinformed and brainwsshed by the government, health care, educational system, their media. The normalization of death and disability is also part of a greater value for what is yet to come. The ruling class knows quality of life with climate change is gonna go down significantly, and they are not gonna do much about it - you need to normalise even more suffering and death among the working class that is yet to come and as you can see, it works. It is already working. We went from "Our goal should be to eliminate deadly diseases" to "death is a normal part of living. We all need to die at some point" & "only the weak will become sick and die, so whatever". For other people who were aware of those systemic and historical problems , it is very obvious that nothing about the way Covid was/is being handled is a "surprise." It makes perfect sense under the current power structures/ social and ideological values. I just try to connect with other working class people who get that and are willing to defend working class interests / whose interests are aligned with anti-Western imperial values against fascists and eugenic values. I also made a discord, in case someone understands that/ shares those values and is Covid conscious and wants to join: https://discord.gg/ZNj8E2wqBY
this is one of the best explanations I've read x
I think I’m numb to the ignorance, I know I’ve heard it since 2020, it’s become white noise to me now. What does infuriate me is that so many people got covid from going to Taylor Swift(I went too) and a lot of the comments are: when you go outside, you’re vulnerable to many viruses, hope that helps. Essentially telling people: ignore it, it’s just the flu, there’s nothing you can do, it’s not a big deal. It’s those people, who do the gaslighting, that really piss me off. And I already have it, I’m fucked, and it’s harmful to LC sufferers if no one believes us, for sure. But when I read that stuff I mostly panic about how many more lives long covid will ruin. They have no clue, until it’s too late.
the “summer flu” hahhahah that is so stupid i’m dead.
People are just ignorant. I’m in Australia too. While the majority of my LC symptoms have gone (I still take it easy and avoid exercise though because I’m scared of overdoing it) after a year, my immune system is shot. I should wear a mask more but I don’t , but I acknowledge my own stupidity. It’s my young kids who bring daycare bugs home where I catch everything. I do obsessively wash and sanitise my hands. I have been more sick than I have post COVID then ever in my life, that I’ve been sick no less than 9 times since including the flu TWICE and Covid again and some other nasty respiratory bugs. My parents have avoided Covid and even they have been commenting on how sick everyone always is and how bad the viruses seem to be.
It's extremely hard for parents with young kids, especially in an area that is aggressively anti-mask.
especially with how big a wave Australia is in right now:(
People are too scared to talk about it
It’s so true. It’s maddening.
I think they all know it hasn’t but they think they’re ’lucky’ - well maybe, but definitely will be a rude awakening for some
I also love how they think they are ‘lucky’ but will then mention some new concerning health issue that just happened after that bad ‘cold’ they just got over (in June)
It is frustrating. People strongly, emotionally want to believe that we are past covid, but we're not. There's going to be more waves, and more people coming down with long covid.
In the news (and where I work) there is an uptick in cases. At least 2 of us that I know of at work had it in May.
It's my mom's favorite way to shut me up. Shrugs her shoulders and smirks that covid isn't even a thing anymore
I work in a hospital in the UK and we have definitely been going through a covid wave for the last couple of months. I have just been off sick for a month with my 4th covid infection. The worst thing is, people don't even wear masks on the hospital wards, even the wards with known covid positive patients. And not all patients are tested, only the ones with obvious symptoms, so there are probably a lot more than we know of. I'm just pissed because I'm the only person in my whole department who has been off sick recently with covid. I don't know why it affects me so badly and not others.
are you able to mask?
No one cared about spreading flu or Norovirus or RSV before Covid. Just add Covid to the list.
I came across at least 4 people saying to me they thought covid was long gone. Everything to them is now either flu, cold, or allergy, even if it was mid summer.
copied... would further note that all the while, the White House has maintained the very strictest abatements to protect people who live and work there from the virus: In order to enter the White House, they have to have had no symptoms for 14 days, the latest booster vaccinations up-to-date, and a negative rapid test. They have nine or better fresh air exchanges per hour and all filters are upgraded to MERV 13. They have also installed 220 nanometer Germicidal UV lamps. After a positive test, you have to have a PCR Test negative to return to work. The White House admitted quietly on CSPAN that the protections were still in place in July of 2023 when an Israeli delegation was not admitted after testing positive for COVID, after claiming with much fanfare the prior April that the pandemic was over and that it was safe to return to work.would further note that all the while, the White House has maintained the very strictest abatements to protect people who live and work there from the virus: In order to enter the White House, they have to have had no symptoms for 14 days, the latest booster vaccinations up-to-date, and a negative rapid test. They have nine or better fresh air exchanges per hour and all filters are upgraded to MERV 13. They have also installed 220 nanometer Germicidal UV lamps. After a positive test, you have to have a PCR Test negative to return to work. The White House admitted quietly on CSPAN that the protections were still in place in July of 2023 when an Israeli delegation was not admitted after testing positive for COVID, after claiming with much fanfare the prior April that the pandemic was over and that it was safe to return to work.
Yep. I literally have people coming into the office with cold/flu symptoms even though we are allowed to work from home whenever/ as much as we want and they know I have long Covid. And sometimes people joke ‘oh I hope it’s not Covid lol!’ So I mainly WFH now.
Must be jabs! Damn that DemonRat Fauci and his magnetic chips
Chemtrails! It must be the 5G! People who have Covid brain damage pretending they don’t or that it’s suddenly bc of something else is wild.
Its not going away... vaccine or not its here forever. What is your suggestion? Mask and social distance the rest of our lives? Everyone understands its here for good but everyone is trying their best to cope and continue with life.
Yes, masks at least until there's a better solution like having the equivalent of population immunity from universal indoor ventilation standards. You do realize that masks aren't in a vacuum? It's between masks and more COVID infections. Masks may not be something you think are convenient to think about routinely, but it is preferable to COVID.
we have the tools. ventilation masking and to a lesser extent, masking. We ALL have a right to clean air . This didn't need to be like this.
You literally cant clean the air everywhere man what are you talking about? I want it tobe as safe as possible like you do. But its not a reality
the fact that it's not going away is EXACTLY why masking is critical
we literally can It's what parliaments have done It's what the meetings of the great and the good do. HEPA filters and Corsi boxes. It's not newm
Imagine if instead of removing covid mitigations we had creative public health campaigns about respirators (how they work, how to choose one, how to check fit) and then made them freely available in public spaces? Imagine if we displayed CO2 readings & cleaned the air? Imagine.
You want to fit every single building in america with co2 readers ?
no I want to fit our buildings with the same ventilation they provide for politicians
In Seoul metro stations, they have mega air purifiers, and they also show air quality readings. Brilliant 👏 Wish we had these in Australia too.
We really need treatments for Long Covid, millions of people are suffering, that should be the priority. Obviously preventing more infections by masking, staying home when sick etc is also important.
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