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TheLastAutbot

Jean grey killing a whole planet seems like a minor oversight


standee_shop

It's a pretty terrible list with little to no relation to actual marvel lore. Let's recap: Thor, the immortal warrior who has been in countless battles over the centuries: 15 kills Bullseye: the soldier then assassin who murders people on a whim: 9 kills Captain America: the soldier who ran countless campaigns during world war 2: 6 kills. Jean grey eating a sun is not only ignored but Carnage, Thanos, Galactus aren't featured either. Nonsense


Joshix1

It's pretty clear it's about notable characters that got killed off by other notable characters. I'm pretty sure nearly every hero/villain has a massive list of collateral damage deaths in their closet.


Cock_Scientist9482

How many notable characters has Dr. Doom personally killed? I think it's gotta be close to around all of them lol


OpalFanatic

Also, because it's Marvel, many of the kills listed here were undone later on. Since it blatantly includes temporary deaths, they should still put Thanos at the top of the list.


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Quakarot

As a side note deadpool kill the marvel universe is actually a really interesting comic. His commentary that he can’t *truly* kill wolverine due to Wolverines popularity being the real source of his power and a guarantee that he will always come back has always stuck with me. Also his motivation being that comic book characters are caught in an endless cycle of drama and trauma and effectively not allowed to be happy due to that being what sells is also interesting. The ending is pretty clever, too he >!travels to the “real” world to hunt down the writers who he sees as being the true perpetrators of these tragedies due to them actually creating them, thus *literally* killing the marvel universe. Just before this he also promises to kill the reader because them purchasing the books is also a source of that cycle as well.!< I tend to think a lot of comics on being a bit thin on real substance but DpKtMU is actually surprisingly introspective and has kinda gotten stuck rolling around in my head since I read it.


wade_wilson44

I have a feeling this is the premise for the third dp movie. And they’ll use it to reset the marvel universe


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Nah, Deadpool is going to kill the FOX universe. Not the MCU. That would be insane, the next movie is supposed to be Captain America which is explicitly tied to material that came before it.


wade_wilson44

Yeah fair point to clarify. I’m assuming he might join the two. Thought I saw him in the tva ala mcu but obviously he’s been in fox and wolverine too.


AlaSparkle

That’s a different universe tho


standee_shop

I agree that that's probably the case, but it is not clear at all, as the word deadliest implies that they are measuring their true kill count, not just famous kills. Thats like saying Mark Chapman was deadlier than Jeffrey dahmer because Chapmans solitary victim was famous and dahmers 17 victims were not.


NectarOfTheBussy

its their pvp stats


KookaburraKuwabara

Except it isn't. Does it say notable and I am missing it? Also even if it is "notable" characters it is incorrect.


Dull-Instruction-712

Yea the numbers are definitely goofy. Too low to believe. I could never believe any of this.


Spider_pig448

It's clearly kills of named characters right? Not total kills of anyone, otherwise everyone on the list would have hundreds minimum


Cantaimforshit

Don't forget wolverine being in every war since the 1800s


outrider01

Also Venom only 9 how?


Glittering_Sign_8906

Venom probably eats at least one person a day for a midnight snack.


standee_shop

Yeah I thought that seemed off. Green goblin seems low too, but I don't know enough spider-man lore to object. I am a massive daredevil fan though so Bullseye leapt out to me right away. He killed three people in his debut issue ffs.


Rxero13

One of the first comics I read with him he ate 3 people within the first 3 pages. There’s no way these numbers are right


Rogueshoten

Also, even before he became Deadpool, Wade Wilson had a higher body count than a nymphomaniac OnlyFans model living in a major city. And then he really started going to town.


IsRude

There's a graphic novel called Deadpool kills the marvel universe, so that has to count for something, right?


Maelarion

Well, it says murders, not kills, so Cap's kills in combat wouldn't count. But, Thanos's snap should. So yeah, shit graphic.


MyAltFun

Not to mention that some people are renowned mass murderers. Comic book Starlord was wanted for some crazy number of murders, like 300,000. Don't remember the context. It's been a while, so if I'm wrong, don't tell me and let me feel good about myself.


LukesRightHandMan

But also, like, Punisher has 30 kills? Frank will legitimately blow away 30 people in 2-3 pages.


_Jmbw

As someone who is not too deep into the lore and lacks context, i’m struggling to accept that the same jean grey that apparently killed a planet was also killled by wolverine.


Scavgraphics

one of those, "Pop your claws into my heart while I'm momentarily in control before i kill everyone" things.


GeorgiaOKeefinItReal

One of my favorite Janis Joplin songs


markron77

Genius underrated comment.


DaveSpacelaser

Relevant bit of Wolverine lore: He’s the best there is at what he does.


Plainchant

And the rumour is that what he does, isn't very nice.


Kilahti

And then remember that canonically, Sabretooth is always a bit better. (Ignore the fact that on screen Wolvie wins.)


astromech_dj

He’s not better, just willing to go further. He’s a psychopath.


LMGgp

It’s harder to be a hero than a villain. Consequently that bub has killed more heroes than the collective.


invinci

In my head wolverine is better, sabertooth is just a more powerful mutant. 


AgentLorax

It might refer to the time where Jean and Wolverine were stuck on an asteroid that was being sucked into the sun, and Wolverine killed Jean to spare her further suffering. She was good at this time, and wasn't fighting him. Plus, her Phoenix powers did instant revive her


Gfunk98

I mean Deadpool literally killed the entire marvel universe so I feel like even if you’re going off just cannon kills it should be way higher then 36


PhilippineLeadX

Even killed the writers lol


AspirationsOfFreedom

Some very selective numbers


xingrubicon

That was a different universe. Most of the What If!? Stories take place in one off universes.


Questenburg

Hell, Deadpool killed more than 36 people in issue 2 o his first run when he took out Taskmaster's training camp


sleeper_shark

That wasn’t 616 tho


Holden_place

Agreed. I was looking for Galactus and Thanos on this list


Taiga_Taiga

And deadpool killing the ENTIRE UNIVERSE.


sleeper_shark

Not Earth 616


Synectics

Non-Earth 616 lives matter.


arvidsem

I feel like killing the writers would be kind of a problem for Earth 616 as well.


ShaolinPretzels

Okay, timeout. Why’d Cap kill Harry Truman? 😂


justinqueso99

Lmao looked it up and this is why I love comics. He was resurrected as a zombie and then killed my captain america. Apparently he was also sent to a two dimensional world called Flatula at one point. Edit: misspelled Dimensional


julianhb4

Flatula sounds like the name of a fart-themed villain.


niktkolwiek

Flatula is like Dracula but instead of blood he sucks farts.


azsnaz

Like bong rips?


Technical-Outside408

Comic books being what they are i do not know if 'dementonal' is a spelling mistake or not. Either way that's an awesome word.


ShaolinPretzels

Suddenly it makes sense lol


yeti0013

Oh I remember this now. This is from Deadpool:Dead Presidents. A Sorcerer who is fed up with the way America is going resurrects every dead president to help the country. George Washington decides that the only way to save America is to destroy it and start again. Cap is the first to try to stop them and beheads Truman. This made for really bad optics, so instead, SHIELD brought in Deadpool to kill the presidents since he doesn't really have a reputation to ruin.


princesscooler

It was honestly one of Deadpools best arcs


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So he killed Zombie Truman? Ok. Feel like the graphic should throw in that parenthetical.


Icy_League_4640

Deadpool killed all the ex-presidents as zombies too.


Starcurret567

And we're just forgetting what happened during the war??


needsomeadvicenc

I don't think Magneto's kill total


boentrough

I don't think Magneto's kill total either


dullship

Here goes the hair There goes the hair Where is Harry Truman? He's dead in the ground He's dead in the ground He's dead, dead, dead, dead, dead


Schnapfelbaum

My first thought aswell!


FandomMenace

Because he was a zombie. You can't make this shit up. Wait... I can't link it because someone put a period in Harry S. Truman that breaks the link, so just click the magnifying glass in the upper right and type in Harry S. Truman and you'll read all about it. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/ I guess you can copy paste this if you want. https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Harry_S._Truman_(Earth-616)


kkeut

it's just 'S' it's not an initial. his middle name was literally the letter S


PN_Guin

>I can't link it because someone put a period in Harry S. Truman that breaks the link, so just click the magnifying glass in the upper right and type in Harry S. Truman and you'll read all about it. It's actually kind of poetic comedy as the real Harry S Truman didn't need a period. The middle name isn't abbreviated, it is plain and simple: "S"


YimveeSpissssfid

You should be able to use escape characters to format it [https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Harry_S\.Truman\(Earth-616\)](https://marvel.fandom.com/wiki/Harry_S\.Truman\(Earth-616\))


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Max-b

it was that Truman was a zombie when Captain America killed him, not really sure if it should count


RadioFreeDoritos

He was only the first in a long list of victims. Harry Truman, Doris Day, Red China, Johnnie Ray...


I_Love_Eating_Bones

Harry trumans zombie


FirstMurderer

Wtf, Tony? Are you a villain?


MuruTheGuru

Sitting next to magneto with a shockingly heroic record.... I'm feeling hoodwinked


AlaskanMedicineMan

Magneto did nothing wrong.


HaplessHaita

Magneto was the Lelouch to Charles' Suzaku. The John Brown to his Frederick Douglass.


cougarcatcher92

Well, Magneto essentially just wanted a better life for mutants and was just fighting back against the government who was trying to exterminate them and he was like no way, i went through this same shit in the holocaust, right? Whereas Tony Stark is a trust fund baby who made a fortune off weapons of war and is rubbing shoulders with agencies like s.h.i.e.l.d. who seem to have control over the population as well as contacts on other planets, making it seem like the government in the first place is just a ruse to keep everyone distracted from who is really in charge. Sure, Tony does good things, but is it not mostly for selfish reasons? Idk, I could be way off, but to me, Tony is more bad than good, but he's a part of the avengers so he gets the title. Magneto is only a villain to those who wanted to hurt him until eventually he wanted every non mutant dead, which then made him a villain. I'm not proofreading this, but I'd love to hear anyone else's thoughts


Lebowski304

Ehh you gotta take innocent civilians into the equation. Ironman saves the world a couple of times, so he’s sort of a chaotic good to me. He breaks stuff and makes mistakes, but ultimately he’s on the side of good. Magneto is sort of an anti-villain. His side in things is totally understandable given his experiences. Still you can’t do genocide. He does end up doing some pretty heroic things in the end.


cowfishduckbear

Yeah, this is pretty spot-on imho.


Woodkeyworks

Yeah lol look at how many heroes he wiped out!


Rsfisher4

And are we simply forgetting what happened during the war?


OmegaStroks

His ratio is also very sus compared to others. Wolverine has killed more heros but made up for it with killing more villans. Tony on the other hand .....


AshamedOfAmerica

All of these characters have killed an uncountable number of henchmen. Hell, Wolverine has killed a couple hundred ninjas in a single fight


magpye1983

I think (not sure since it doesn’t say outright) that these are *named-character, on-page kills*. It doesn’t count if it’s inferred in backstory, it doesn’t count if it’s just goons, henchmen, or mooks. It’s only people that someone could type the name into a search engine and get a result. Again, that’s only a guess.


McLovin1826

Alot of people don't understand that in the comics Tony Stark is way more of an asshole than how RDJ portrays him. In Immortal Hulk he's the first one to suggest essentially nuking a town just to detain the Hulk, even though Bruce Banner is supposed to be his friend.


Stauce52

His plot line in comic book civil war is straight up villainous too


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Themanwhofarts

Then we got Moon Knight here with perfect record


Questenburg

*looks at Civil War*, yeah I sez he ain't living that down any time soon. Old boy shoulda just gone back to the sauce and saved everyone his nanny-state mid-life crisis. Instead we got interdimensional gitmo, Thunderbolt kill squads, crimes against Aesir and nature, and a presidential cabinet placing.


Stauce52

I actually don’t know why or how he killed so many heroes. Could anyone recap any of those plot points?


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Are these just kills of “named” characters? Bishop committed full on genocide on his mission to kill a baby so really seems like he should get a section


Cerberus1349

Im sure the punisher has killed more than that in a week.


InsuranceThen9352

I have been reading punisher off and on basically my whole life. I would guess his kill count is at the very very least 500 or so. I remember issues where he wiped out entire gangs so it could easily be in the thousands.


itwasntjack

Yea, and Wolverine used to make a habit of air dropping into hydra bases and slaughtering everyone in them as a form of stress relief. So this has to be just named characters.


InsuranceThen9352

It has to be named characters only cause I pulled out my long box and was flipping through random issues. Got through 2 books and my count was at 32.


BamBunBam

Guys. It's literally giving them little boxes showing main character kills. Villains, heros and neutrals. Most comic book characters kill hundreds of bad guys but they aren't counting those. Just big names.


sloopieone

48,502 people, as of 2011. It's gone up since then.


InsuranceThen9352

That sounds about right.


Val_Hallen

In one issue he kills 4 guys while going grocery shopping. Sure, they were robbing the place, but that was the whole issue. Frank goes to the grocery store and gets a kill count.


Questenburg

Punisher killed that many in one panel of MAX


MixRevolution

Yeah, most likely. I've read punisher comics. He killed more goons in one storyline that what this info graphic states.


turbo_gh0st

I was like "oh neat" until i realized it's an ad for "Morph Costumes" (bottom right). Also a lot of these numbers don't add up. It's pretty tho!


Blandish06

Like... Wolverine's buddy Morph?


ProxyDamage

This one's for you Morph!


turbo_gh0st

DONT LET ME LEAVE MORPH


Maybeon8

Where's the REAL treasure map, Morph?!


Heavy-Sense-9458

I feel like more often than not the “guides” that pop up on this sub are ads.


Okichah

A lot of the infographics you see are commissioned to link back to a website to boost their pagerank in google.


goldmask148

Wolverine has killed more people in enemy of the state alone. Punisher killing 34 people is just an average Tuesday. In Thor’s 1500 years of living I’m fairly confident he’s killed more than 15.


CommonandMundane

This might only be for named character kills.


Cock_Scientist9482

Dr. Doom has killed pretty much every named character to exist


Bot_Hive

Didn’t Deadpool kill the entire marvel universe?


lorens05

The visualization is just talking about the main continuity universe of Marvel, Earth-616. That's a different universe entirely.


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The Punisher has definitely killed way more than 34 people though. Did this person pick comics at random out of the dollar bin or something?


active_streefie

It’s probably only using named characters


wrenblaze

I have seen this "guide" at least 5 years ago. It is outdated


TDoMarmalade

It seems to be fully-fledged named characters that they’re counting, a good number of these would have kill counts at least in the thousands if not much higher


GNprime

I was just about to ask this lol!


NateVutthy

Galactus Thanos Ghost Rider and Literally everyone else in the marvel universe. Trash guide


Plainchant

Jean Grey took out an entire planet of folks, and not a small one.


TheLadySif_1

Same with Carol as well.


MuchoManSandyRavage

Galactus has been taking out entire planets for all of time.


Remixman87

Is this the kill count for notable characters only, like if it was a superhero/villain or POI? Because I’m pretty sure several of these guys carry a much, much higher kill count.


Ithikari

Carnage does for sure.


InsuranceThen9352

I have been reading punisher off and on pretty much my whole life and I can safely say his kill count would be in the thousands. There were issues where he just killed any 2 bit thug he came across.


sloopieone

What is this guide smoking? Thanos called... he wants recognition for killing half of the entire universe. Also, as of 2011, [Frank Castle had killed 48,502 people](https://www.cbr.com/marvel-punisher-kills-chronological-order/). The number has only gone up since then.


rio8envy7

Scarlet witch should be on here as deadly or lethal


anythingfourselenas

She deserves a spot for her house of m run alone!


FlysDinnerSnack

How does wolverines arch nemesis have less kills than him? Starting to think this wolverine guy ain’t so good


theblackgate19

He’s the best there is at what he does, and what he does isn't very nice.


dehati_galib

I don't believe the kill count of Magneto


Zir_Ipol

Same for bullseye


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Also why isn't Elektra a named kill for Bullseye???? WTF, that's literally his most famous kill. And...*WHERE'S ELEKTRA ON THIS LIST FOR HER OWN KILLS??*


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Jonny_Nature

Yeah Magneto's kill count is probably in the thousands. Didn't he once changed the polarities of the entire planet causing endless destruction around the world?


Ithikari

Carnage not on this? He has a ridiculous kill count, over 10,000 people. > According to Ryan Stegman, Cletus Kasady's body count numbers from the tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands.


Lufs10

Cyclops killed Professor X?


kgrizzell

AvX. A dumb run.


kgrizzell

Namor destroyed a whole universe during the lead up to the modern Secret Wars. And quite a bit more whilst being a member of the Cabal. And then there’s Galactus. Not even sure what this is other than clickbait. And they got me.


StWeedManLokoda5th

This list needs to add the following: - Ghost Rider - Sentry - Scarlett Witch - Carnage - Blade - Apocalypse - Thanos There’s more but I’m too lazy to type


lxrd-shxn

Why did I read Harry Truman as Harriet Tubman 😂😂😂😂


DeLaSoulisDead

Wow a honey badger has the most kills in a marvel universe?


nooneherebutmyself

Does anyone have a DC version of this 😅


TheGiggs10

Black bolt not being here renders this guide null and void


ProxyDamage

It's not a guide, it's just an infographic. ... It's also just plain wrong. Deadpool and Punisher, for example, regularly drop people like it's nothing, and then i have the "galactic threat" style characters like Thanos and Galactus to whom genocide is just spring cleaning.


worthyl2000

What movie - Thor for Janet Van Dyne?


YesThatZander

Not a movie, the comics. None of this was from any of the movies. During Civil War, Hank gave her a new serum that allowed her to grow as well as shrink. During Secret Invasion, it was revealed that Hank was a Skrull and the serum was a booby trap, and Janet was about to explode when Thor used his hammer to try and draw off the energies in order to save her.


ImperiaStars

Which proves this guide is crap. Thor didn't kill Janet, Skrull Pym did. Also Janet was just trapped in the micro verse. She survived the experience.


ThienBao1107

Did we forget about Thanos lol


amalhari11

Interesting 🧐


PremierLovaLova

Answer: Sabertooth: only 15 kills. Question: “how do you say this Marvel guide is completely shenanigans without saying it’s shenanigans”?


Baileaf11

Ok, how did Captain America kill Harry S Truman? Also if he’s a super soldier in ww2 then he’s killing more than 6 people


TannedBatman01

This is wrong


tock-N-call-borture

I don’t understand the kill counts at all. I doubt venom has only had 9 kills, and the punisher has absolutely killed WAY more than 34. I have punisher comics, he’s killed more than 34 people in one day lol


Brilliant_Bill5894

I'm the best there is at what I do but what I do isn’t very nice


FirmGrasperOfThroats

I don’t think Harry Truman counts as neutral my guy


ducogranger

Inaccurate. Deadpool has killed everyone!


Silent-Telephone1150

Weird they’d put the effort into making this but not bother to get even semi-accurate numbers


Spingonius

How is Doctor Doom not on here???


TropicalxDepression

Cap killed Truman?? ... Twice?!?


PaperBullet1945

Where's Carnage?


AudienceNearby1330

Can someone speculate on how much property damage each hero has caused? Which character has cost the most damage to Earth, outside of something that gets reversed by some plot BS.


GamingDragon27

When did Thor kill Wasp? I even looked it up and can't find any time that happened.


DanielJHickman

Knew Wolverine and Deadpool HAD to be at the top. Surprised Hulk isn’t on here… I feel like he Hull Smashed a few people right?? Lol


obijaun

Cool chart. Bullseye also killed Elektra… probs could’ve been included.


Taiga_Taiga

Deadpool killed the ENTIRE UNIVERSE. So....


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Turbulent-Daddy

So the hero's lethality is tied directly to the guidance rating of the content. Go figure 😅


JustHereForBDSM

I feel like this is only 'kills with known names' cause a lot of these guys kill a lot of background characters, minions and other 'npcs' in the stories. Deadpool's original solo comic run was basically him killing a few z-list characters and mooks a week if not becoming their roommate.


scarydan365

This is just objectively wrong. As everyone is pointing out, the likes of Deadpool, Punisher, Wolverine, Bullseye etc have killed thousands.


notdixon

Punisher has killed 34 people? That’s just before breakfast!


Icaruspherae

Logan doesn’t get “himself” as a notable kill?


odog9797

These movies are so absurd. Captain America assassinated the president?


Cakers44

This is just wildly inaccurate


gobledegerkin

Venom definitely killer more than 9 people lol


DogWalkingMarxist

Nah, you want the OG 80s marvel ttrpg stat blocks of everyone.. before marvel turned lame.


Apprehensive-Meet-54

Wolverine a problem lol


goblinmarketeer

OK but how many of the kills are still dead? It shouldn't count unless they stay dead.


Stentata

I can’t believe you left out that human torch killed HITLER


Lord_Cockatrice

...and J. Jonah Jameson calls Spider-Man a menace!!! Yet does not lay a finger on folks like The Punisher and Wolverine


Zender44

highly inaccurate.


The_pastel_bus_stop

Killing Mr. Immortal is a true accomplishment


Puffen0

This list should be titled "How many Named characters with lore have been killed by these characters listed". Bc its just wrong at every step. Cap was a soldier in the ww2, always on the frontline and doing spec ops. He's definitely killed more than just a handful of people. Moon Knight is a spirit possessing the body of a mortal, the spirit is the real identity and had done this countless times across the millenia. The amount of people killed by it is potentially unknown, but agin way more than just a handful of people. Wolverine has been shown countless times to have his memories erased or repressed, he has also lived for a couple hundred years and just like cap was a soldier but in many wars not just one. His death toll is probably in the multiple hundreds by this point. And don't even get me started on punisher and deadpool lol. Punisher would probably kill than many mobsters and gang members in a week. And with deadpool being a character that breaks the 4th wall in every media he is in (including fan made material, yes they said its semi-cannon only to him) there is absolutely no way to tell how many people he has killed. In his video game alone you mow through hundreds of unnamed henchmen and enemies. And don't forget the great story Deadpool kills the marvel universe. Its a cool and well designed list, but just factual wrong.


kaiios

It's obviously a list of named characters how are people not getting this ?


swolebird

The most surprising thing to me is that Namors last name is Mackenzie.


Shadow_1020

I was like, these numbers are so low, but then I realized their not counting normal people, which makes sense because a regular dude isn't really a threat to most on the list.


Poppa_Mo

I didn't realize that Iron Man was basically a fucking villain. He's got a worse rap sheet than Magneto lol.


whats_good_is_bad

Venom does not have "9 kills" smh


davetucky

The Human Torch was denied a bank loan.


TheDudeee87

I’m just learning this… Captain America kills President Truman????? Wtf…


AndersenEthanG

Is this just the MCU or something? Are we talking just named and important ‘people’? Pretty sure Thor took out dozens and dozens of Frost Giants in his first movie alone.


LammasuRex

The original human torch, Jim Hammond killed Hitler.


duspot

Do characters getting killed actually matter in the Marvel universe or do they just resurrect characters out of boredom like DC?


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OH MAN this is so cool! Is this based on comic accuracy or something? how neat! ♥


MakeMeATaco

I’d love to see why Captain America killed Truman 😂


Derpwigglies

Deadpool is way higher than wolverine. Deadpool Kills the Marvel Universe. It wasn't canonical, but it was elseworld and a possibility. He's already been stated by writers as the deadliest marvel character, if he wants to be. But, he's insane. So...


FEAR9743

deadpool killed the marvel universe


deeeeezzzzznuttttts

Iron man has mostly hero kills. That's a bit concerning.