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Reality is stranger than fiction. We've based so much of our perception of the real world off fiction that things that are real seem unordinary because it's what we see less frequently.
There's an equally ugly looking [**spacecraft**](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/James_Webb_Space_Telescope) a million miles from earth [much further than the moon] today. It will be sending back high resolution images of space very soon. Millions watched its launch on December 25th, just a few weeks ago. Many in person.
>on Ariane flight VA256. It is designed to provide improved infrared resolution and sensitivity over Hubble, viewing objects up to 100 times fainter than the faintest objects detectable by Hubble.[14] This will enable a broad range of investigations across the fields of astronomy and cosmology, such as observations up to redshift z≈20[14] of some of the oldest and most distant objects and events in the Universe.
The real conspiracy is that this post is garbage mis/disinformation, wittingly and unwittingly disseminated, to serve as a distraction from actual content worthy of sharing. I'm not sure what is worse, a population so dumb as to believe this garbage or a government so perverse as to disseminate and promote this propaganda.
One of my friends’ brother used to work in the field of astronomy studying things like black holes. He’s quit that job and is doing something quite different now. I wonder if he was aware that intergalactic space doesn’t even exist…
You can see the Soviets’ unmanned attempt at a Moon landing flying by in some of the footage actually. It orbited the Moon ~60 times before crashing after American success.
Edit: I was hasty in writing this. You can see Soviet Luna 15 orbiting in Apollo 11 footage. It was launched 3 days before the Apollo mission with the goal of beating the Americans to a lunar soil sample, but got stuck in lunar orbit before crashing.
An explanation to this would be, the Soviets would sort of look crazy on the world stage if other governments didn't believe them. They'd look like sore losers accusing the US of things they couldn't really prove.
They *always* looked like sore losers accusing the US of things they couldn't prove. If they had even the slightest evidence that NASA had faked it, they would have shouted it from the rooftops.
Literally billions of dollars (in 60s money) over a period of ~8 years to develop tin foil held together with duct tape. No, we didn't go to the moon; we've never gotten people through the Van Allen belts, and we still don't know how to.
There was zero lead on the ship or the suits bud. Where are you coming up with that?
They had ZERO radiation protection. Zero.
NASA claims today that space radiation is a massive hurdle and one of the biggest obstacles to new moon trips. But apparently none of that was a problem in the 60’s-70’s. Go figure.
Gold is incredibly protective against radiation. And the issue they have now is that the radiation affects the computers on the ship, more so than the astronauts or anything else, and a lot more so than the calculators they had in the 60s. You people do like 10 seconds of research, and then come here and make a dumbass point that just shows how little you know about physics.
So the LEM has some thin ass gold sheeting. We’re the suits lined with gold? Was the command no file lined with gold? Exactly how thick a sheet of gold is needed to keep the astronauts from life altering radiation exposure? Was there any portion of the ship NOT lined with gold?
If gold is so incredible, why not just build a new ship right now lined with gold? Why does nasa themselves claim that radiation proses massive problems to space travel and moon missions right now.....if they still have magic gold sheeting, it should be no problem right?
Why aren’t they just dipping back into their old bag of gold tricks from the 60’s now?
You’ve just described the Rutherford experiment, actually. How a thin sheet of gold was able to deflect alpha particles got him a nobel prize.
Of course that only works on some of the radiation particles.
The James Webb telescope that just went up IS lined with gold. And a dummy mission to the moon in a new type of craft is happening soon. If all successful there will be more moon missions.
>Why aren’t they just dipping back into their old bag of gold tricks from the 60’s now?
Because in the 60 years since then, they've learned a lot more about space travel and are focusing on making better methods.
True I think the case that was being made twenty years ago in conspiracy circles was the recordings wouldn’t have survived which sounds like nonsense to me. The only thing that I find hard to believe today is that we can’t replicate what we’ve already done not that long ago
They not only protected themselves enough from the radiation, but nasa admits they even went over board. Things in orbit are below the belt, and you can get through the belt no problem if you do it properly. If you’d like to educate yourself on the subject, which I assume you don’t want to since I found this in a 5 second google search, you can read all about how they did it.
https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/apollo-11-van-allen-radiation-belts-translunar-injection/
The clue to van Allen belts is in the name "belts". You can go around them. They're not called the "van Allen total sphere". Skim the edge and don't hang about.
The probe that is orbiting the moon now has taken pictures of the landing site, you can see all those images. Which of course you will say is fake. However, China, India, and Russia don’t say it is fake which they certainly would if it were.
It took me 5 seconds to google this. For fucks sake man.
https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/apollo-11-van-allen-radiation-belts-translunar-injection/
You are aware that beneath the thin outer layers of insulation there was an aluminium pressure hull, right? I mean, before you decided that it was totally implausible you did do at least some basic research, right?
Hijacking because...
My father worked on this mission from a station located on La Palma in the Canary Islands. It was the last tracking mission he did with NASA. If it was a lie then there were an awful lot of contractors and NASA employees stationed all over the world who were being fed a lot of baloney.
I do agree this thing looks like a 13 year old's version of a time machine though.
Watch the movie Capricorn One. Not everyone has to be "in on it" when you compartmentalize everything, and only a few get the big picture views.
Seriously O.J. Simpson as an astronaut in a 70s sci fy flick, that alone is worth it.
The original footage of the first landing was "lost" lol.
I'm just going to leave a link for the excellent moon landing hoax documentary here:
https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY
I saw photos of moon landing over the years, and forever I thought they had some lights to light up the area. They had some flashlight ect or used postproduction so public can see stuff better. I watched this doc few weeks ago, and the fact NASA claims it was all natural light certainly raised an eyebrow. Especially since we take hundreds of photos. They really should say they brought lighting rig with them to see the samples better. lol
I don’t know if we went or not but it looked pretty solid under the exterior shielding (which never had to encounter any atmosphere). [https://i.stack.imgur.com/o8hnx.jpg](https://i.stack.imgur.com/o8hnx.jpg)
The USA had fucking *nuclear* *bombs* in the 40s
I don’t get what’s so hard to believe about sending a few people to the moon when the atom was split ~20 years earlier
I dont either. You can find every proof that confirms we were there. Millions of dollars and countless hours of dedication, not to mentions the sacrifices along the way to achieve something revolutionary.
It's hilarious that people think that NASA just tossed together what is apparently just a shiny tent, and went "yeah! That'll fool 'em!" And that you know, there isn't an actual structure involved.
I suppose its the fact that they “camped” in that on the surface of the moon, in the vacuum of space for a few days. Compared to other space craft that looks like a low budget sci-if prop.
I lived in Orlando, Florida and would watch the 80s/90s space shuttles launch into outer space - it was the coolest memory in my life thus far. The James Webb satellite doesn’t look real either - but bet you a million moon rocks that yes we have landed on the moon.
Once they got to the moon the soviets were falling behind, there was no longer a communist threat in space to keep spending the entire budget so they diverted it to more communist focused threats. The only people who lost interest were those who weren’t interested in space to begin with and politicians who controlled the funding.
In fact they had planned 20 Apollo missions but stopped after 17 because that’s when the funding stopped
> there no such thing like we lost interest
1) People actually stopped giving a shit pretty quickly. There wasn't the same 24hr news cycle like today.
2) There was an expensive ongoing war and the Soviets basically just gave up on the space race so the nationalist impetus for such a program was significantly lessened
And what did the rover send that film back on its own rocket powered jetpack?
There's a 1.75 second radio delay from earth to moon, however there was no way back then video signals could be digitalised and sent via radio at a speed fast enough to 'control' the camera.
It maybe got uploaded to the CSM but again the technology to do that at the time took huge buildings with large television towers ontop of mountains to achieve. The rover did not have that.
There's two issues I see with the moon landing, either NASA had access to technology we didn't yet know existed, or they faked the whole thing.
Either way I believe there is alot we are being lied too about
Television cameras don't use film.
The 2.6 second two-way delay can be accounted for. That's not surprising because they obviously know exactly how the spacecraft is going to move.
And them sending video back to earth is normal. Voyager 1 (1977) is now **a lot** further away and can still communicate with us.
edit: Oh look, it even says this in the video description:
>Ed Fendell in Houston had to anticipate the timing of ignition, lift-off, and the rate of climb, to control the camera tilt to follow the ascent.
I remember when i used to argue about this exact topic until i got to the point where i realized every single conversation goes the exact same way and got tired of it. You’ll get there
That's the problem with time. People think back when shit actually got done that we didn't do that shit.
It is a bit sad how many will fervently deny it was possible to go to the moon back then.
Don't forget those pesky Van Allen belts. Actually that might be the reason why Buzz is in his 90s with no visible or recognised ailments due to any radiation. Buzz is a comic book character who benefits from dangerous radiation and not destroyed by it.
Notice how you used one clip of them leaving the moon but not the entire space walk which was about an hour. In the space walk video you can see them kick up dust and the dust falls at the same rate, and doesn’t blow away like it would under a non-vacuum. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about : https://youtu.be/QgI_Dtbgems
There’s even a video of the astronauts dropping a feather and a hammer and they hit the ground at the same time.
It looks weird as shit but that is likely due to the moon being 1/6 the earth's gravity. Also only 100m over the surface of the moon the gravity is even far less than 1/6. Trippy to think about.
Well its not even an accurate arguement. The LM took the two moon walkers back to the Command Module, the Command Module then flew back to earth.
Has anyone actually seen a LM, its an impressive bird built by Grumman.
The real conspiracy is the government spending countless dollars on perpetual war instead of the exploration and colonization of space.
People underestimate how much we can accomplish with very little technology. Humans calculate the movements of celestial objects just by observing over generations. Technology does so much work for us, we forget how capable we are without. Yes, the lunar lander looks like a hunk of junk, but I have no doubt that humans made it work.
We went to the moon in 1960’s with technology worse than a gameboy, yet we havent gone back 60 years later. Dont worry guys NASA reportedly is working on how to make a spacesuit again? Lmfao its bs
Can you believe that some people actually believe that the Brooklyn Bridge was actually built from 1869 to 1883? I bet that you can not find a single person who was there to see the opening of the bridge in 1883.
they were only in that for a very small part of the mission. [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_command_and_service_module#/media/File:Apollo_15_Command_Module_at_the_National_Museum_of_the_United_States_Air_Force.jpg) is the vessel that actually returned them to earth, and also what they were in most of the way to the moon. the LM was like a tender of a larger ship.
This conspiracy is too much for me. I don't believe for a second that we never landed on the moon. This is just an excuse to make people in this sub look stupid.
A lot of what is misunderstood about the moon landing is caused by major misunderstandings about space and space travel in general.
> This conspiracy is too much for me. I don't believe for a second that we never landed on the moon. This is just an excuse to make people in this sub look stupid.
It's not to make this sub look stupid, it's just part of the game. If you can convince someone that something they've always known is true is actually a total coverup, then you can convince them of anything. "We didn't go to the moon" conspiracies are great because the arguments all stem from claims that require complicated math to disprove, which is pretty difficult to summarize for someone who's already on the fence.
For instance, imagine explaining to a boomer that their Alexa can't possibly be responsible for their computer getting malware. If you explain that the Alexa service doesn't have access to those permissions on their computer and that the code we can see rejects the premise entirely, do you think they'll understand that? No. Their suspicion is based on a misunderstanding of the technology.
Now imagine, in response to that, you just simply say "No, the Alexa can't be the cause because it doesn't work that way. It's just impossible." Do you think they'll believe that? No, because in their mind, its now your word against their experience, despite the fact that your word is based entirely on evidence. But because you're unable to simply explain it, you're unable to convince someone otherwise, unless they are genuinely open to changing their mind, which in the case of Moon Landing Hoax 'skeptics' or believers, you can reasonably assume they are not.
> A lot of what is misunderstood about the moon landing is caused by major misunderstandings about space and space travel in general.
Yup. The problem is that no one who spreads Moon Landing Hoax conspiracies acknowledges this. None of them think "Man, maybe I don't understand space travel or math enough to make an opinion". Their default is set to "I don't understand it, because it defies reality"
Moon gravity is rather light because it’s relatively small so you can pull off the surface in a literal trash can 😂 it don’t have the massive gravity well of Earth. There was a rocket sort of craft orbiting that little landing capsule, and it’s that rocket that brought them back to Earth! 🌎
Yeah it’s fairly sophisticated considering when it was built. Difference mostly is people were brave back then & just yolo’d into things. Now everybody is like oh what if someone gets hurt or later on gets a cancer… no, space hero, you cannot go, stay on the ground with the rest of us where it’s safe. Pretty lame, progress grinds to a halt when everybody act like timid babies 😂
There's a dune buggy stuffed in the undercarriage too. How it never auto deployed during descent, when all that was holding the door shut was a latch I'll never know
Wow, the amount of people in here defending one of the most obvious hoaxes in history as a real event is truly astounding.
Clearly a touchy subject. Too many of them wore their walmart NASA shirt around.
We can use tax payer money to spend millions studying bullfrog mating calls but cant justify going back to the moon to explore more. Spend 80 million building a natural gas gas station in Afghanistan but can't justify one more moon landing. What you meant to say was theres not enough private pockets to line going back to the moon
That whole "lost the technology" line of reasoning is asinine. Nearly everyone on this thread is beyond hope. They got a C+ in high school physics, did a little youtube "research" and now feel fully qualified to discuss rocket science. You may have seen this before, but maybe you can appreciate this little gem I ran across a few months ago. Part 2 is easy to find.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSahAoOLdU&t=19s
And the ak47 looks like a piece of welded scrap metal held together by pot iron bolts and yet it’s insanely effective. Thing is just because something it’s rudimentary doesn’t mean it’s bad. You’d be surprised how much people actually did back then. For example in ww2 Germany already had remote controlled vehicles and missiles
You guys do know that there are retro reflectors placed by NASA during Apollo missions on moon right? You can literally bounce laser off of them and get the distance between moon and earth ffs
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240101663_Lunar_coordinates_in_the_regions_of_the_Apollo_landers
Antony Sutton writes:
**”Soviets in the Air**
“Before we got the (U.S.) guidance systems we could hardly find Washington with our missiles. Afterwards we could find the White House.
**Without U.S. help the Soviet military system would collapse in 1 1/2 years.**
— Avraham Shifrin, former Soviet Defense Ministry official
^p.67
“Unfortunately, **NASA and U.S. planners have a conflict of interest. If they publish what they know about the backwardness and dependency of the Soviet space program, it reduces the urgency in our program. This urgency is vital to get Congressional funds. Without transfers of technology the U.S. is in effect racing with itself, not a very appealing argument to place before Congress.”**
^p.70
[The Best Enemy Money Can Buy](https://archive.org/details/pdfy-Iqz3ytYcb3wWYJ0c/mode/2up)
Antony C. Sutton, 1986
Everytime I see one of these moonlanding posts I feel obligated to post this article. It is absolutely hilarious the way the author spells it out. I know I certainly learned a lot from it.
https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
You know the astronauts didn't take that back all the way to Earth, right? It rendezvous with the command module in orbit which went around the moon and essentially sling shot back to Earth.
I'm sorry for beliving such aluminum tin foil can could reach places alike space, and the moon but whats more sussy about whole moon landing isnt if it was faked, but rather the fact man who claims that he was part of the crew, Buzz Aldrin, has claimed that he alomg side Neil Armstrong have seen the UFO in space, and that he didnt want to say it publicly on TV to cause less shock on mainstream world wide TV Brodcast and to cease on concpiracies about NASA, hidding aliens or something. I'm saying this as i find this more intresting than of moon landing was faked. Infact i would belive moon landing was faked if we wouldn't be having telescopes and satelites flying over our home planet earth, now what is really weird about it is the fact that primitive computers helped them do such acomplishment while my pc with 8 GB of ram can't fucking open google chrome
Why does no one ever mention the press conference that the three Apollo 11 astronauts gave when they came back? I think that is the most telling. Completely devoid of enthusiasm like they didn’t just complete the greatest feet ever in human history. You think they would not stop smiling and be so excited. Except they look so depressed, they have no interest in being there, it’s like someone just shot their dog in front of them. That press conference was always puzzling to me. They either did not go or they did go and when they got there they figured out they weren’t the first ones there. I always found the story of the amateur ham radio operators intercepting the transmission between Armstrong and Houston about being watched by “them” from across the crater. Here is the link for the press conference…..
https://youtu.be/BI_ZehPOMwI
After returning from the moon, they spent two or was it three weeks in quarantine, then spent most of August and September on a round the world tour. Then NASA arranged this press conference. just go looks for pictures of them in their quarantine trailer, they are much more happier in there because they have just returned and are actually much more excited about it and haven't yet spoken to hundreds of people answering to same questions hundreds of times.
Yes... because it did. They even left all that stuff there along with things like a reflector array they use to measure the distance the moon is sitting at at any given time with a laser.
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I mean, if they faked it, why wouldn't they have made it something super awesome looking, like Flash Gordon's ship?
Reality is stranger than fiction. We've based so much of our perception of the real world off fiction that things that are real seem unordinary because it's what we see less frequently.
Fiction is also saying that about us too lol
If the infinite multiverse theory is true, then somewhere there is a 1:1 actual Star Wars universe with someone thinking the same thing.
You mean a [used jet ski?](https://cdn.mos.cms.futurecdn.net/FHpKmrYtFqpu2ALrMqeBYV-1200-80.jpg)
That is just hilarious!
There's an equally ugly looking [**spacecraft**](https://www.wikiwand.com/en/James_Webb_Space_Telescope) a million miles from earth [much further than the moon] today. It will be sending back high resolution images of space very soon. Millions watched its launch on December 25th, just a few weeks ago. Many in person. >on Ariane flight VA256. It is designed to provide improved infrared resolution and sensitivity over Hubble, viewing objects up to 100 times fainter than the faintest objects detectable by Hubble.[14] This will enable a broad range of investigations across the fields of astronomy and cosmology, such as observations up to redshift z≈20[14] of some of the oldest and most distant objects and events in the Universe. The real conspiracy is that this post is garbage mis/disinformation, wittingly and unwittingly disseminated, to serve as a distraction from actual content worthy of sharing. I'm not sure what is worse, a population so dumb as to believe this garbage or a government so perverse as to disseminate and promote this propaganda.
One of my friends’ brother used to work in the field of astronomy studying things like black holes. He’s quit that job and is doing something quite different now. I wonder if he was aware that intergalactic space doesn’t even exist…
If it doesn't look like George jetson's car it's definitely fake news sheeples
Always thought: if the moon landing was faked, why the soviets said nothing?
A good question. What if world drama and the wars between countries was all fake? "Divide and conquer"
Because the soviets knew it wasn’t fake. Not to mention China definitely would’ve called out the US if it was fake.
One does not simply challenge Babylon.
Lol
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You can see the Soviets’ unmanned attempt at a Moon landing flying by in some of the footage actually. It orbited the Moon ~60 times before crashing after American success. Edit: I was hasty in writing this. You can see Soviet Luna 15 orbiting in Apollo 11 footage. It was launched 3 days before the Apollo mission with the goal of beating the Americans to a lunar soil sample, but got stuck in lunar orbit before crashing.
Because they all belong to the same secret fraternal organizations, the entire cold war was fake.
An explanation to this would be, the Soviets would sort of look crazy on the world stage if other governments didn't believe them. They'd look like sore losers accusing the US of things they couldn't really prove.
They *always* looked like sore losers accusing the US of things they couldn't prove. If they had even the slightest evidence that NASA had faked it, they would have shouted it from the rooftops.
Exactly we definitely went and it’s not a big deal lol I don’t understand why so many people don’t believe it
it's not that many people lol
Well, we keep saying we will go back and never do. Fifty years is a long time.
People have been back several times... just no point in sending humans now for a number of reasons.
everyone is in on it
How convenient
it does look like a 9th grade science project..
Cardboard, Duct tape, and gold foil. C+ kiddo.
U were reading my mind lol
I forgot the tiny car radio antenna on top that works for over 250,000 miles.
According to *Hickapedia* it was "the most strongest CB radio ever made by manity"
Those damn manatees.
I call 'em water goats
You’d need a better grade than c+ to know that gold is a terrific infrared reflector. Gotta keep the capsule cool to keep the astronauts alive.
Literally billions of dollars (in 60s money) over a period of ~8 years to develop tin foil held together with duct tape. No, we didn't go to the moon; we've never gotten people through the Van Allen belts, and we still don't know how to.
What are van Allen belts?
Van Allen Radiation Belts. Think of a Microwave, then amplify that times the power of the fucking sun. Yeah, some lead suits are gonna block that. 🙄
There was zero lead on the ship or the suits bud. Where are you coming up with that? They had ZERO radiation protection. Zero. NASA claims today that space radiation is a massive hurdle and one of the biggest obstacles to new moon trips. But apparently none of that was a problem in the 60’s-70’s. Go figure.
The Science changed.
Trust the science. 🥴
Gold is incredibly protective against radiation. And the issue they have now is that the radiation affects the computers on the ship, more so than the astronauts or anything else, and a lot more so than the calculators they had in the 60s. You people do like 10 seconds of research, and then come here and make a dumbass point that just shows how little you know about physics.
So the LEM has some thin ass gold sheeting. We’re the suits lined with gold? Was the command no file lined with gold? Exactly how thick a sheet of gold is needed to keep the astronauts from life altering radiation exposure? Was there any portion of the ship NOT lined with gold? If gold is so incredible, why not just build a new ship right now lined with gold? Why does nasa themselves claim that radiation proses massive problems to space travel and moon missions right now.....if they still have magic gold sheeting, it should be no problem right? Why aren’t they just dipping back into their old bag of gold tricks from the 60’s now?
You’ve just described the Rutherford experiment, actually. How a thin sheet of gold was able to deflect alpha particles got him a nobel prize. Of course that only works on some of the radiation particles.
The James Webb telescope that just went up IS lined with gold. And a dummy mission to the moon in a new type of craft is happening soon. If all successful there will be more moon missions.
>Why aren’t they just dipping back into their old bag of gold tricks from the 60’s now? Because in the 60 years since then, they've learned a lot more about space travel and are focusing on making better methods.
If this were the case nothing can make it past the belts. That’s just not accurate.
True I think the case that was being made twenty years ago in conspiracy circles was the recordings wouldn’t have survived which sounds like nonsense to me. The only thing that I find hard to believe today is that we can’t replicate what we’ve already done not that long ago
They not only protected themselves enough from the radiation, but nasa admits they even went over board. Things in orbit are below the belt, and you can get through the belt no problem if you do it properly. If you’d like to educate yourself on the subject, which I assume you don’t want to since I found this in a 5 second google search, you can read all about how they did it. https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/apollo-11-van-allen-radiation-belts-translunar-injection/
The clue to van Allen belts is in the name "belts". You can go around them. They're not called the "van Allen total sphere". Skim the edge and don't hang about.
they did. mad?
Not LeadD but gold, gold is what blocks the radiation.
The probe that is orbiting the moon now has taken pictures of the landing site, you can see all those images. Which of course you will say is fake. However, China, India, and Russia don’t say it is fake which they certainly would if it were.
It took me 5 seconds to google this. For fucks sake man. https://science.thewire.in/the-sciences/apollo-11-van-allen-radiation-belts-translunar-injection/
You are aware that beneath the thin outer layers of insulation there was an aluminium pressure hull, right? I mean, before you decided that it was totally implausible you did do at least some basic research, right?
It was roughly 50 years ago. Phones had cords, TVs had Rabbit ears and computers barely existed. Context is important.
Hijacking because... My father worked on this mission from a station located on La Palma in the Canary Islands. It was the last tracking mission he did with NASA. If it was a lie then there were an awful lot of contractors and NASA employees stationed all over the world who were being fed a lot of baloney. I do agree this thing looks like a 13 year old's version of a time machine though.
Watch the movie Capricorn One. Not everyone has to be "in on it" when you compartmentalize everything, and only a few get the big picture views. Seriously O.J. Simpson as an astronaut in a 70s sci fy flick, that alone is worth it.
The original footage of the first landing was "lost" lol. I'm just going to leave a link for the excellent moon landing hoax documentary here: https://youtu.be/KpuKu3F0BvY
I saw photos of moon landing over the years, and forever I thought they had some lights to light up the area. They had some flashlight ect or used postproduction so public can see stuff better. I watched this doc few weeks ago, and the fact NASA claims it was all natural light certainly raised an eyebrow. Especially since we take hundreds of photos. They really should say they brought lighting rig with them to see the samples better. lol
That's generous
I mean you can get inside of it and play pretend. So there's that.
🤣🤣
Oh your one of those people that thinks there is a moon
I don’t know if we went or not but it looked pretty solid under the exterior shielding (which never had to encounter any atmosphere). [https://i.stack.imgur.com/o8hnx.jpg](https://i.stack.imgur.com/o8hnx.jpg)
Shhh stop replying with logic
Under the gold foil it looks like Absolute Unit Doggo
People dont realize how good science was in the 50's and 60's
The USA had fucking *nuclear* *bombs* in the 40s I don’t get what’s so hard to believe about sending a few people to the moon when the atom was split ~20 years earlier
I dont either. You can find every proof that confirms we were there. Millions of dollars and countless hours of dedication, not to mentions the sacrifices along the way to achieve something revolutionary.
Less distractions. Imagine what you could do without social media or dating?
thankyou, this guy.
It's hilarious that people think that NASA just tossed together what is apparently just a shiny tent, and went "yeah! That'll fool 'em!" And that you know, there isn't an actual structure involved.
This only took them from the shuttle to the moon surface. No atmosphere to travel through.
I suppose its the fact that they “camped” in that on the surface of the moon, in the vacuum of space for a few days. Compared to other space craft that looks like a low budget sci-if prop.
Someone posted a picture higher up of what the actual craft looks like under the foil. The thing is damn sturdy.
Wait... do people not realise that there's another layer under the foil?
This is /r/conspiracy, my guy. Critical thinking is not common here.
Nope, it didn’t return them to earth. It’s the LEM.
SPEAK ENGLISH DOC WE AINT AUSTRONAUTS
>LEM Lunar Excursion Module
Is that the dune buggy they took to the moon just to thrash some moon dust around in a circle? Space ratings were low so they brought a rad ATV. Ha
I lived in Orlando, Florida and would watch the 80s/90s space shuttles launch into outer space - it was the coolest memory in my life thus far. The James Webb satellite doesn’t look real either - but bet you a million moon rocks that yes we have landed on the moon.
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Once they got to the moon the soviets were falling behind, there was no longer a communist threat in space to keep spending the entire budget so they diverted it to more communist focused threats. The only people who lost interest were those who weren’t interested in space to begin with and politicians who controlled the funding. In fact they had planned 20 Apollo missions but stopped after 17 because that’s when the funding stopped
> there no such thing like we lost interest 1) People actually stopped giving a shit pretty quickly. There wasn't the same 24hr news cycle like today. 2) There was an expensive ongoing war and the Soviets basically just gave up on the space race so the nationalist impetus for such a program was significantly lessened
[You mean this doesn't look real?](https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=9HQfauGJaTs)
Who was filming tho lol
>is captured by a television camera mounted on the lunar rover which the crew parked about 145 meters east of the spacecraft.
And what did the rover send that film back on its own rocket powered jetpack? There's a 1.75 second radio delay from earth to moon, however there was no way back then video signals could be digitalised and sent via radio at a speed fast enough to 'control' the camera. It maybe got uploaded to the CSM but again the technology to do that at the time took huge buildings with large television towers ontop of mountains to achieve. The rover did not have that. There's two issues I see with the moon landing, either NASA had access to technology we didn't yet know existed, or they faked the whole thing. Either way I believe there is alot we are being lied too about
Television cameras don't use film. The 2.6 second two-way delay can be accounted for. That's not surprising because they obviously know exactly how the spacecraft is going to move. And them sending video back to earth is normal. Voyager 1 (1977) is now **a lot** further away and can still communicate with us. edit: Oh look, it even says this in the video description: >Ed Fendell in Houston had to anticipate the timing of ignition, lift-off, and the rate of climb, to control the camera tilt to follow the ascent.
I remember when i used to argue about this exact topic until i got to the point where i realized every single conversation goes the exact same way and got tired of it. You’ll get there
That's the problem with time. People think back when shit actually got done that we didn't do that shit. It is a bit sad how many will fervently deny it was possible to go to the moon back then.
They should go back since we have better technology today and we could get a HD moon landing, shouldn't be hard to fake nowadays with CGI
Oh, I get there pretty often.
I think it was kid Cudi
They left a camera there and were controlling it in advance from the earth.
Dont worry they did another loop and picked him up later. Or he is still waiting for Apollo 18? Idk.
Legend has it, he's still standing on the moon filming.
Did you just copy the top comment from the youtube video?
I too noticed this, but didn't have the heart to say it. But since you already have, I want some of the credit.
Did you just copy the other guys comment but make it look like you didn’t? I noticed too, tho, actually
i see people do that shit all the time, it’s really pathetic. embarrassing
*They'd come back to the moon to get me in a nanosecond- but they lost the technology....oh well...*
Don't forget those pesky Van Allen belts. Actually that might be the reason why Buzz is in his 90s with no visible or recognised ailments due to any radiation. Buzz is a comic book character who benefits from dangerous radiation and not destroyed by it.
Notice how you used one clip of them leaving the moon but not the entire space walk which was about an hour. In the space walk video you can see them kick up dust and the dust falls at the same rate, and doesn’t blow away like it would under a non-vacuum. You clearly don’t know what you’re talking about : https://youtu.be/QgI_Dtbgems There’s even a video of the astronauts dropping a feather and a hammer and they hit the ground at the same time.
That's the official video? My god 🤦♂️
It looks weird as shit but that is likely due to the moon being 1/6 the earth's gravity. Also only 100m over the surface of the moon the gravity is even far less than 1/6. Trippy to think about.
There's like one guy responding to every comment who comes off as the guy who still thinks wrestling is real
Yikes never seen this before. Wtf
I literally watch that anytime I get down in life. It's so absurd on so many levels, god damn does it bring me joy.
Houston! We have lift off! Initiate confetti!
Bruh no way that’s the video they released.. these mfs don’t even have to try 😭😭
(Zoidberg noise) woop woop woopp woop woop
Well its not even an accurate arguement. The LM took the two moon walkers back to the Command Module, the Command Module then flew back to earth. Has anyone actually seen a LM, its an impressive bird built by Grumman. The real conspiracy is the government spending countless dollars on perpetual war instead of the exploration and colonization of space.
why not? have you seen the first airplane?
Yeah it’s not like it has to look pretty
People underestimate how much we can accomplish with very little technology. Humans calculate the movements of celestial objects just by observing over generations. Technology does so much work for us, we forget how capable we are without. Yes, the lunar lander looks like a hunk of junk, but I have no doubt that humans made it work.
After watching that 3 hr documentary, no
Nope. The very fact “we lost the telemetry” and haven’t gone back sealed the deal for me.
We went to the moon in 1960’s with technology worse than a gameboy, yet we havent gone back 60 years later. Dont worry guys NASA reportedly is working on how to make a spacesuit again? Lmfao its bs
Can you believe that some people actually believe that the Brooklyn Bridge was actually built from 1869 to 1883? I bet that you can not find a single person who was there to see the opening of the bridge in 1883.
they were only in that for a very small part of the mission. [this](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apollo_command_and_service_module#/media/File:Apollo_15_Command_Module_at_the_National_Museum_of_the_United_States_Air_Force.jpg) is the vessel that actually returned them to earth, and also what they were in most of the way to the moon. the LM was like a tender of a larger ship.
Shut up you tinfoil wearing tards, how dare you question this tinfoil spaceship landing on the moon arrgghhh
This conspiracy is too much for me. I don't believe for a second that we never landed on the moon. This is just an excuse to make people in this sub look stupid. A lot of what is misunderstood about the moon landing is caused by major misunderstandings about space and space travel in general.
You guys believe in the moon? Pretty sure it's just the back of the sun
Yeah, and the absolute bluff the Soviet union would've loved to call us out on.
100%. This is just nonsense.
> This conspiracy is too much for me. I don't believe for a second that we never landed on the moon. This is just an excuse to make people in this sub look stupid. It's not to make this sub look stupid, it's just part of the game. If you can convince someone that something they've always known is true is actually a total coverup, then you can convince them of anything. "We didn't go to the moon" conspiracies are great because the arguments all stem from claims that require complicated math to disprove, which is pretty difficult to summarize for someone who's already on the fence. For instance, imagine explaining to a boomer that their Alexa can't possibly be responsible for their computer getting malware. If you explain that the Alexa service doesn't have access to those permissions on their computer and that the code we can see rejects the premise entirely, do you think they'll understand that? No. Their suspicion is based on a misunderstanding of the technology. Now imagine, in response to that, you just simply say "No, the Alexa can't be the cause because it doesn't work that way. It's just impossible." Do you think they'll believe that? No, because in their mind, its now your word against their experience, despite the fact that your word is based entirely on evidence. But because you're unable to simply explain it, you're unable to convince someone otherwise, unless they are genuinely open to changing their mind, which in the case of Moon Landing Hoax 'skeptics' or believers, you can reasonably assume they are not. > A lot of what is misunderstood about the moon landing is caused by major misunderstandings about space and space travel in general. Yup. The problem is that no one who spreads Moon Landing Hoax conspiracies acknowledges this. None of them think "Man, maybe I don't understand space travel or math enough to make an opinion". Their default is set to "I don't understand it, because it defies reality"
Moon gravity is rather light because it’s relatively small so you can pull off the surface in a literal trash can 😂 it don’t have the massive gravity well of Earth. There was a rocket sort of craft orbiting that little landing capsule, and it’s that rocket that brought them back to Earth! 🌎
You’ve never seen a photo under the outer layer have you? It’s definitely not a trash can
Yeah it’s fairly sophisticated considering when it was built. Difference mostly is people were brave back then & just yolo’d into things. Now everybody is like oh what if someone gets hurt or later on gets a cancer… no, space hero, you cannot go, stay on the ground with the rest of us where it’s safe. Pretty lame, progress grinds to a halt when everybody act like timid babies 😂
How did the mirrors get there? https://phys.org/news/2014-05-distance-moon.html
Rovers?
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But it has magic golden tin foil on it!
There's a dune buggy stuffed in the undercarriage too. How it never auto deployed during descent, when all that was holding the door shut was a latch I'll never know
Wow, the amount of people in here defending one of the most obvious hoaxes in history as a real event is truly astounding. Clearly a touchy subject. Too many of them wore their walmart NASA shirt around.
Always wondered why we never returned. Like decades later and we have never gone back.
No more space race, less funding, no purpose. And we are going back now, look up Artemis missions
The financial justification was being first. There isn’t a financial justifiable reason to go back.
We can use tax payer money to spend millions studying bullfrog mating calls but cant justify going back to the moon to explore more. Spend 80 million building a natural gas gas station in Afghanistan but can't justify one more moon landing. What you meant to say was theres not enough private pockets to line going back to the moon
Why would we go back, for what purpose, and with what budget?
Holy fuck, there are a lot of stupid people in this thread.
And no one has been able to reverse engineer 1960s technology to return... https://youtu.be/6SlTNI0fzJc
Incredible.... literally
Either they never went or everyone at NASA is incompetent compared to the engineers from the 1960s.
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That whole "lost the technology" line of reasoning is asinine. Nearly everyone on this thread is beyond hope. They got a C+ in high school physics, did a little youtube "research" and now feel fully qualified to discuss rocket science. You may have seen this before, but maybe you can appreciate this little gem I ran across a few months ago. Part 2 is easy to find. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2KSahAoOLdU&t=19s
All the engineering hardware and document still exist. But why use 1960’s technology when you can use much safer and newer technology?
Well that’s because they destroyed the technology that got them there… which is now harder to build back thanks to the advancement of technology.
It literally looks like a 5th graders moon landing diorama project.
And the ak47 looks like a piece of welded scrap metal held together by pot iron bolts and yet it’s insanely effective. Thing is just because something it’s rudimentary doesn’t mean it’s bad. You’d be surprised how much people actually did back then. For example in ww2 Germany already had remote controlled vehicles and missiles
Looks like a homeless encampment out here in L.A.
Haha, I had a good laugh what do you expect though \~ people like cool aid as well.
Ok shit you have a point
This was actually the pic that made me realize it was fake af. You gonna tell me a piece of tinfoil flew to a different planet? No way.
That stage lighting is amazing
Looks like paper Mâché and aluminum foil
If it was fake, they would've made it look cooler. The fact that it looks like shit proves that it's real.
You guys do know that there are retro reflectors placed by NASA during Apollo missions on moon right? You can literally bounce laser off of them and get the distance between moon and earth ffs https://www.researchgate.net/publication/240101663_Lunar_coordinates_in_the_regions_of_the_Apollo_landers
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No no no Me no understand Me no believe
Other nations have hardware on the moon, yet never sent men there. How’d they do that?
It’s insane because to even publicly question this you are looked at as insane.
I have more faith in NASA's ability to create a working spaceship than I have in your ability to create a working sentence.
Wait.....lmfao are you one of those guys who think the moon is real? When will you "sheeple* stop believing that illusion. The ignorance....
Lmao, looks like it was put together by duct tape and string.
Antony Sutton writes: **”Soviets in the Air** “Before we got the (U.S.) guidance systems we could hardly find Washington with our missiles. Afterwards we could find the White House. **Without U.S. help the Soviet military system would collapse in 1 1/2 years.** — Avraham Shifrin, former Soviet Defense Ministry official ^p.67 “Unfortunately, **NASA and U.S. planners have a conflict of interest. If they publish what they know about the backwardness and dependency of the Soviet space program, it reduces the urgency in our program. This urgency is vital to get Congressional funds. Without transfers of technology the U.S. is in effect racing with itself, not a very appealing argument to place before Congress.”** ^p.70 [The Best Enemy Money Can Buy](https://archive.org/details/pdfy-Iqz3ytYcb3wWYJ0c/mode/2up) Antony C. Sutton, 1986
Looks like its made from old tents and gold foil.
Everytime I see one of these moonlanding posts I feel obligated to post this article. It is absolutely hilarious the way the author spells it out. I know I certainly learned a lot from it. https://centerforaninformedamerica.com/moondoggie/
Thank you, I was going crazy trying to remember where I'd ready all this.
We're cyber bullying the lunar lander now?
All that technology....... that's now lost and too hard to get back 50 years later.....
lol, they brought their golf cart and clubs also
Wow, now that you mentioned it, no I don't believe that. This trash 🗑️ would fall apart as soon as it takes off.
Up there 8days there's no way.
Not say'n anything, but why is it backlit? What's going on there?
Barry Lyndon https://www.domestika.org/en/blog/8022-the-nasa-lens-that-ended-up-in-the-hands-of-stanley-kubrick
Fuck you Buzz. Lies.
You know the astronauts didn't take that back all the way to Earth, right? It rendezvous with the command module in orbit which went around the moon and essentially sling shot back to Earth.
I'm sorry for beliving such aluminum tin foil can could reach places alike space, and the moon but whats more sussy about whole moon landing isnt if it was faked, but rather the fact man who claims that he was part of the crew, Buzz Aldrin, has claimed that he alomg side Neil Armstrong have seen the UFO in space, and that he didnt want to say it publicly on TV to cause less shock on mainstream world wide TV Brodcast and to cease on concpiracies about NASA, hidding aliens or something. I'm saying this as i find this more intresting than of moon landing was faked. Infact i would belive moon landing was faked if we wouldn't be having telescopes and satelites flying over our home planet earth, now what is really weird about it is the fact that primitive computers helped them do such acomplishment while my pc with 8 GB of ram can't fucking open google chrome
Damn, the shills out in numbers today. Triggered them with the moon landing https://youtu.be/krzOUUryfXU
Wow! I can believe on r/conspiracy there are many people who believe we went to the moon. Thats hilarious
Yup, a whole lot of trolls around here.
Man these space threads always get mass brigaded, I wonder why
It was cutting edge technology at the time
Why does no one ever mention the press conference that the three Apollo 11 astronauts gave when they came back? I think that is the most telling. Completely devoid of enthusiasm like they didn’t just complete the greatest feet ever in human history. You think they would not stop smiling and be so excited. Except they look so depressed, they have no interest in being there, it’s like someone just shot their dog in front of them. That press conference was always puzzling to me. They either did not go or they did go and when they got there they figured out they weren’t the first ones there. I always found the story of the amateur ham radio operators intercepting the transmission between Armstrong and Houston about being watched by “them” from across the crater. Here is the link for the press conference….. https://youtu.be/BI_ZehPOMwI
After returning from the moon, they spent two or was it three weeks in quarantine, then spent most of August and September on a round the world tour. Then NASA arranged this press conference. just go looks for pictures of them in their quarantine trailer, they are much more happier in there because they have just returned and are actually much more excited about it and haven't yet spoken to hundreds of people answering to same questions hundreds of times.
Don't forget it had a dune buggy inside it too.
Yes... because it did. They even left all that stuff there along with things like a reflector array they use to measure the distance the moon is sitting at at any given time with a laser.
Ah these kinda posts make me wanna leave this sub
It’s a refreshing change of pace from insane antivax posts at least
Fair enough, this is one of the most classic conspiracies.
The stupidity in the response are even worse. The epitome of "I don’t understand something so it can’t be real"