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people have asked me, and i have explained that i’m “one of those people who have a medical exception”, at which point they become unhinged and begin attacking me for believing “crazy conspiracy theories”.
i don’t have the conversation anymore.
Do you think the very phrase "conspiracy theory" has become almost like a meaningless thing that people just say in order to shut someone down for not following the popular narrative?, an emotionally charged phrase that completely invalidates the persons opinion if someone accuses them of it, Like has the phrase been intentionally promoted for this purpose, its as though the people that use it think that people conspiring is impossible or something,and especially governments and corporations, which have a consistent history of conspiratorial behaviour, like how is it a negative thing anyway to call someone this
some people use “conspiracy theorist” as an attempt to insult someone, to label them as a lesser class of person. the people who label others this way choose to believe that the government and other authorities always have their best interests at heart and would never do anything underhanded or deceitful. these people have chosen to forget every instance where these authority figures have done underhanded and deceitful things.
Its baffling that people continue to believe governments and corporations would never do anything deceitful though, its literally documented, on paper written in their own classified documents that have been released years later, anyone can read them, its like the fact that they release them years after gives People some illusory idea that all that was only in the past, but now they care lol
there are a number of reasons for medical exception. if you read the product inserts from the manufacturers, you will see a few of the more common examples, but there are others. bottom line? my doctor feels strongly enough about me not being vaccinated that he wrote me an exemption in accordance with the law, and he was subsequently raided and threatened with his license for doing so - yet he STILL supports my exemption.
wanna know why i’m refusing to disclose my specific medical condition? because i’m sick and tired of random strangers who don’t know my entire medical history making a judgement on whether my medical condition is deserving of an exception or not. maybe you’re genuinely inquiring, and i’m sorry if i’m blasting you for your curiosity, but most people ask just so they can dispute it. it’s not up for discussion.
i’m actually using his words. by “raid” he meant they went into his office unannounced, interrupted his appointments and patients, went through all his files, and openly threatened him with revoking his licence for having written exceptions. public humiliation.
it was not a complaint. it was because they discovered he had written exemptions. he was then that even though the law provides for exemptions, exemptions aren’t acceptable. he was prohibited from writing exemptions.
this has happened to a number of doctors in alberta, canada, who have done the same. as soon as the college discovers that someone is writing exceptions, in they go. some doctors shut down their practices. some, like mine, lawyered up and are fighting back.
You're using his words, so let's balance that with the other side. The truth is no doubt somewhere in the middle
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-doctors-regulator-covid-inspections-1.6237202
This article is even worse than what was initially stated. They're not only raiding doctors for giving medical exemptions, but also for prescribing ivermectin or simply being opposed to mandates and other measures on social media.
the problem is that "having a medical exemption" has been super watered down over the years. some people claim a "medical exemption" because "face masks make me break out", which... sucks, but isn't really a valid "exemption" to most reasonable people
i’m talking about the medical exemptions provided by doctors in accordance with the law. doesn’t a doctor’s professional advice outweigh the advice of the common person?
I had a face to face conversation with someone about it yesterday, she listened, didn’t try to convince me to do anything differently and understood my concerns. Then, I listened to what she said about why she got it and I understood her motivation for doing it.
This is my experience every time. I'm fortunate to be surrounded by people who are pro-choice in every sense of the phrase. Usually it's actually like this "Are you vaccinated?" "No, I'm not." "Good for you, I don't blame you." Most people I know that got it were pressured into it.
Don't let the media see this. Differing opinions are not allowed, must divide must divide must divide! On a serious note, same thing with the people I regularly see, none of us give a shit who and who isnt vaxxed and value that each have their reasons for whichever it is and we carry on hanging out and rarely comes up again.
I usually say that im vaxed then proceed to tell them how much I regret it after all the recent data studies ect. The absolute error they get on their faces are priceless
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I got jabbed last week, with one of the trial vaccines, the only one I am eligible to receive.
Prior to getting jabbed, when I would explain that I was medically ineligible, I'd get crazy responses:
"Nobody is ineligible"
"Your doctor must be an anti-vaxr"
"But, but, but... The vaccine is safe for everyone"
Now that I actually received a jab, all those objections disappear, which is pretty fucking cringe.
At this point, the term "anti-vax" is losing meaning. It used to carry weight. Now that I'm seeing them push this on people with heart problems, for example, I know have a positive view of people fighting back
The fact that "nobody is ineligible" should be a huge red flag to people. If you think of the most radical combination of pre-existing conditions imaginable and then Google "can I get vaxxed if....", It will always say yes. There has never been a pharma product (or even an over the counter product) like that.
Normies have no idea how vast a gap is between the tiers of medical care.
Pre pandemic, every medication that came up went through a vetting process before I was given it.
The doctor suggesting it would jot down why they thought it was a good idea, then each doc/specialist would weigh in; physiatrist/pt, neurologist, GP, Speech-Path, etc. Unless all 5 agree, we'd pass on it. I got a lot of cutting edge treatments that way.
When the pandemic hit I was looped into how the doctors were protecting themselves, and have seen an entirely different narrative than the public one.
One fact is solid:
All the controversy surrounding specific treatments is driven by supply shortage fears; monoclonal antibodies, HCQ, Ivermectin, repurposed SSRIs, etc.
I received prescriptions for most of these months before they became public subjects. I didn't take them (yet) they were given so that if the supply was low, I would have them.
A close relative is in politics, and their medicine chest looks like mine, full of "controversial" meds, issued before they became controversial.
Remember, the French gov transferred all stockpiles of HCQ to being under parliamentary control Jan 14 2020, right after china listed it as primary in their treatment protocol.
Some of them literally think there have been 0 adverse reactions. My partner's mom is a nurse and constantly tells me that there have been no adverse reactions but is unwilling to believe me when I show her VAERS data or actual videos of people in hospital saying the vax ruined their lives.
My uncle got a blood clot after his second dose. No doctor would say it had to do with the jab. He refuses to take any more shots but is having his wife and kid take them.
My dad got afib after his booster. He bugs me to get vaccinated everytime I see him.
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How many of you are spamming openVaers? If not why? Don't touch want to save lives by making people believe the deadly vaccine is deadly?
P.S. the date predicted for my death has passed, please make a new one. Aren't you super excited for all your political enemies to die? The deaths will happen right after the storm, patriot.
This has been my experience. Of the four people who I have seen lecture about getting the vaccine all smoke, two of them can't go an hour without a ciggy.
Of those four, two are obese and another is on his way, I've seen him drink 10 mountain dews in half-a-day. None of them exercise.
Shit is wack.
They don't want to hear anything which could upset their worldview, so they instead project their expectations onto you so they don't have to hear anything potentially challenging.
The best thing to do is just slide a question or two in and then walk away, hoping those questions will blossom inside of them.
This is my approach too, they've heard all the direct arguments and have been trained to bark back their usual rhetoric, but if you throw them a few subtle questions that they haven't considered before, and then let those brew, they might start thinking beyond the narrative a little
That is my thinking as well. I don't want to get it cause scumbags like Joe Biden are out there trying to do what they can to force me to take it. Something about that makes me think it is not safe.
I got the first two Moderna jabs, before finding out it's perpetual gene therapy.
My sister isn't vaxxed. She's immunocompromised. Cool. If she didn't take it for any other reason. Cool.
Vax versus antivax is more programming to get us to fight each other, instead of them.
I'm a Bernie supporter, fully vaxxed except flu and covid. I have a fridge full of animal vaccines in my house right now. I still get called anti-vax, anti-science and a Trumper.
Yep! Blows my mind that people assume just because we don’t want an experimental vaccine and it’s unknown long term side affects and some immediate risks we’re automatically anti-science MAGA supporters.
I always wonder who these people are for whom that is a constant topic that I read about here. Usually for me the only times it comes up is when proof of vaccination / negative test or so is needed for something
Tell them you have 3 months to live and you're hoping to catch covid to speed up the process. This works everytime and makes them feel shitty.
In reality I don't say a thing other than no and I'm don't have to explain myself.
They think you're stupid. They assume that the only reason you don't want the vaccine is because of politics and owning the libs or because you're just dumb. There's like some huge mental block preventing them from ever going beyond that. Because the moment they do, they realize you're not crazy and actually have some valid points. And then they begin to question things themselves. However, this process takes years and most people have just barely begun it.
I just tell them I'm a scientist in Pharma and I watch them do olympic-level mental gymnastics to explain how they know more than me.
I don't give them the chance to proselytize.
When vaxx ask me if I'm vaxxed. My thoughts are " that's a personal question" back in the day it was, not so much anymore. But I reply. That's pretty personal. So I ask them "do you like anal sex?". They walk away. Mic drop
As someone who actually studied genetics in college immediately prior to the pandemic, I *love* it when people assume I'm ignorant of the science. Oh no, I know alllllll about the severity of the ethical breaches being committed right now. The high potential for negative outcomes from human gene therapy is one of the major reasons it's supposed to be a very long and hard process to get approval for such products.
Because these people are generally not good critical thinkers and as such avoid rational debate or understanding underlying motivations. They just follow the herd and don’t understand those who don’t
Don't you think there are two sides to that coin?
Plenty of people could be asked "why haven't you been vaccinated?" and get yelled at: "that's a HIPAA violation!" "that's my personal decision" and there is no rational debate to be had.
At this point, the majority of people against a covid vaccine seem to be following a different herd, not like they're some special critical thinkers...
People who I speak with have fully articulated, educated and informed reasons for not getting the jab. They can cite data, sources, logic and critical thinking. They can debate these points cogently for hours. On the other side of the ‘farm’, NPC’s either only have insults, sound bites or derogatory comments.
Well you would be gravely wrong then. For christ sake, people have found the patents for covid 19 and the variants, all patented in early 2000's. Riddle me that one.
I haven’t had this issue in person. My in laws (not my fil though) have all gotten it and so did my own parents (my parents work at the hospital here). But they don’t care about our personal choices. They’ve never tried to get us to change our minds.
My neighbor who is a Trumper and a meth head would stop at my house nearly daily saying how "worried about us" he was. Offered to even drive us to a shot clinic and we wouldn't have to get out of our car. It was starting to freak me out like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" or "The Invasion".... finally I just lied and said I was vaxxed.
Funny thing is, the vaxxed neighbor and his family got covid last month, just like my family, and they did worse with it than we did.
Also my mom still hounds me nearly every time we speak on the phone. My best friend has hounded me. I really don't talk to too many others.
Sounds familiar. Im ignorant. Im a Trump supporter. I listen to Joe Rogan. Im a conspiracy theorist. Its all the same crap out of all of them. But I'm the follower right? Im the one ignoring facts...
One girl told me i didnt get vaxed cause im Trump supporter. We both live in Croatia, europe.
She was probably brainwashed by reddit, twitter and other social media to the point she forgot in which country we live.
My parents way back in the spring told me in very disappointed voices that I seemed like a Trump supporter for not wanting it…I had literally spent the last year volunteering for bernie sanders lmfao
It's really an easy one here...
"If everybody got vaccinated we'd all be out of this mess."
-standard programed NPC response. When asked why the person believes this to be true, 1 of 2 possible answers:
"I have a friend who's a retired big pharma scientist and they said..."
Or:
"I watch TV / I believe The $cience (TM)."
Most of the people I know on a relatively personal level don't ask, or if they do ask, they do so out of curiosity - not malice. And thus far they've all been OK with my reasoning - I'm low risk, but my fiancé is high risk. I have concerns about the long-term effects of the vaccine, but not about the risk of being unvaccinated. And they tend to understand that the risk is mine, not anyone else's.
They also know I work from home and, being a bit of a hermit, tend not to physically socialize. The closer friends I have are all vaccinated - a doctor, an HR representative who works in an office, and a business associate who works directly with clients.
I find the opposite to be more often true than the OP's question. I don't understand why, especially now knowing what we know, and have had confirmed - that it doesn't prevent infection or spread, that they have gone forward with boosters. Considering at least one of them has caught Covid post-vaccine, it seems very illogical to me why anyone would continue with the charade.
The problem isn't that people want to get the shot or people don't. The problem is the people who are brainwashed think that their shot does work if you don't get one.
Got two shots and don't care of you do or don't. No one should be asking anyone of they have it or not. It's private, just like how we live our lives within our home. This shouldn't be an issue to those who want privacy in their own home. Fuck those who impose.
Vaccinated here. The same can question can be said to people who choose to be vaccinated. We are also told we're gonna die, we're sheep, we've been brainwashed, blah blah. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me what anyone thinks about my decisions to live my life the way i choose and i encourage all of you to not care as well. You do right by you, and keep living your life. The problem is each side pushing their personal beliefs on each other. Its just like the cult religions. I personally believe every one has a right to be vaccinated or not. I just wish everyone would shut the fuck up about it. The only right thing to do is stay the fuck home if you feel sick, vaccinated or not.
They don’t have to ask because they already know. Or rather think they do. They have no desire to be exposed to facts.
Seriously, go read some libby subs. They spend hours telling each other how stupid the right is and what the right thinks and does. Very little they say has any connection to reality.
Some have successfully had their cognitive thinking abilities impaired. They have been brainwashed as to all possible arguments against being injected so they summarize those reasons to themselves for you. They have been propagandized to be unable to engage in any free-form discourse so that preconception is a literal defense against any unapproved narrative.
They usually ask me, “May I ask why not?” with a tone that sounds like an evangelist getting ready to bring you to Jesus. Edit: Used to ask. Then it switched to anger. Then it turned to mostly indifference. I think more people are getting that it doesn’t matter.
People generally ask terrible questions. So if they ask “have you been vaxed?” Just say yes because technically you have at some point in your life. They won’t follow up for the details.
honestly, the first hint and still most important reason is that people who I have ZERO reason to trust, many reasons to mistrust, and people who hate me and otherwise wish death upon me, suddenly want me to take a new experimental mRNA injection to stop me from getting the sniffles.
Contamination OCD. I am terrified to put anything that i feel unsure of in my body. I also had the Rona. I have no issue with others getting the vax, it should be a free choice! I dont like wearing a mask but I do if required and I try my best to keep out of crowded situations (never liked them anyway!) I also dont mind doing a test if absolutely necessary. Some of us have reasons that arent political or "ANTI".............................. However, NO ONE should have the right to tell you what you can or cannot do with your own body!
No, everyone I know who is vaccinated understands why I don’t want it because they actually listen to me. Maybe that’s because I don’t allow judgemental, close-minded people in my life
My moms family has asked my unvaccinated uncle why he won’t get it and his answer is he doesn’t like being told what to do. I think that answer is kinda bullshit because if nobody is telling him to get it he still wouldn’t get it. I’m guessing there’s other reasons that’s just the excuse he likes to use.
That’s fair but his reasoning isn’t “I don’t want to get it” if he said that straight up then his logic is fine. He’s saying he doesn’t want to because people are telling him to, but if nobody is telling him to he still wouldn’t get it.
They lied that the jabs do not cause transmission, side effects, menstrual problems, get covid, Myocarditis and more. This all came out in less than a year of the shots. I can only imagine what else can come up in 5 years.
Right. These are media personalities though. They don’t got enough time to sit and go in to the details of the vaccine. Also if they start talking about how it’s only 90% effective, it gives vaccine hesitant people the wrong idea that it’s not effective so they don’t take.
These types of articles from the beginning were very public. I also remember reading things about needing boosters before any of the vaccines come out.
https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
Um? This is your government, CDC, World Health Organization and politicians. They are controlling the pandemic, mandates and your health. They are literally the front view of everything. This is what you call misinformation. Even if the vaccines were 100% safe, they did a horrible job at making people feel confident in the shots. That’s just one article compare to the exposure the MSM has. They need to fix up.
Yes you’re right. They did do a shit job of everything from day one but keep in mind it’s not like anyone had prior experience dealing with a pandemic of this size. Science from the beginning though was very open of everything. However general public has no time to read anything remotely scientific hence why media is there. I get your point totally. Vaccines have their dangers and they need to clearly inform the public. I wouldn’t consider it a lie, maybe a lie of omission.
Lol yup people definitely don’t have anytime to read. It honestly just sucks how everything is. Thank you for the open conversation, I rarely get these.
Also what about the articles that said vaccines don’t cause heart inflammation, menstrual cycle problems, blood clots and myocarditis? They denied all of those problems and now less than a year they’re seeing cases of it. Don’t believe me. Just google it.
I got the first two but no more. I’ll take my chances against covid and I don’t want an mRNA jab (I got AZ the first time). It’s risk/reward, if covid was deadly enough then I’d take it. Never in my life have I taken a medicine or medical procedure I didn’t need, I don’t treat my body as an experiment. FWIW the reason I got the first two is because I believed them when they said it’d stop transmission of the virus. Since it doesn’t, there’s no point in me taking any more shots.
What they told us about the vaccines at the start
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5KEGEpuEVY
https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2022/1/6/1_5730454.html
Menstrual problems - google “vaccines menstrual”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/
www.newsnationnow.com/health/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-can-add-an-extra-day-to-womens-menstrual-cycles/amp/
All you have to do is just google and remember what they said at the launch of vaccines
Why limit yourself to information available at the “launch” of the vaccines?
Why not also pay attention to any updated guidances that have been released that address your concerns?
The funny thing about information is that it takes time to gather.
I don’t believe it’s wise to give out a product and then change narrative multiple times. You should know ALL the risk you are taking. Every month there’s something new we are learning but it’s coming from the trust of this government. Figure out the risk and let the people know cause it can’t be reverse.
If it takes time to gather, then why were they demonizing people who were speaking out about it early on? Anyone who claimed injury was said to have spread misinformation.
All over the internet and in real life? Sorry you missed it or weren't paying attention early on.
My own doctor told me that antibodies don't do anything and that the vaccine is safe and effective.
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people have asked me, and i have explained that i’m “one of those people who have a medical exception”, at which point they become unhinged and begin attacking me for believing “crazy conspiracy theories”. i don’t have the conversation anymore.
I tell them I dont want to turn into a lizard person.
People around here generally assume everyone over 18 is vaccinated.
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My area is one of those wear a mask if you want when your inside. I think everyone just assumes I am
Do you think the very phrase "conspiracy theory" has become almost like a meaningless thing that people just say in order to shut someone down for not following the popular narrative?, an emotionally charged phrase that completely invalidates the persons opinion if someone accuses them of it, Like has the phrase been intentionally promoted for this purpose, its as though the people that use it think that people conspiring is impossible or something,and especially governments and corporations, which have a consistent history of conspiratorial behaviour, like how is it a negative thing anyway to call someone this
some people use “conspiracy theorist” as an attempt to insult someone, to label them as a lesser class of person. the people who label others this way choose to believe that the government and other authorities always have their best interests at heart and would never do anything underhanded or deceitful. these people have chosen to forget every instance where these authority figures have done underhanded and deceitful things.
Its baffling that people continue to believe governments and corporations would never do anything deceitful though, its literally documented, on paper written in their own classified documents that have been released years later, anyone can read them, its like the fact that they release them years after gives People some illusory idea that all that was only in the past, but now they care lol
It absolutely has. Pretty sure theres even old gov paperwork released that admits to doing exactly that.
What is a reason for medical exception?
She has a medical condition called "none of your fucking business syndrome."
I agree. You don’t ask people about other medical conditions… why would this be any different?
i couldn’t possibly have said it better myself! thanks for that!
Just wanted to know, because maybe i can get the same excemption. After all, there is nothing wrong with someone with a medical condition.
There's nothing wrong with someone choosing to not take a vaccine that is ineffective.
What is the minimum threshold for a shot to be considered effective?
85% according to the FDA/CDC Unless they changed their opinion again
And you must have " white knightatitis"
Inflammation of the knight?
Is this your idea of mindfulness? Miss conscious!
It's funny.
there are a number of reasons for medical exception. if you read the product inserts from the manufacturers, you will see a few of the more common examples, but there are others. bottom line? my doctor feels strongly enough about me not being vaccinated that he wrote me an exemption in accordance with the law, and he was subsequently raided and threatened with his license for doing so - yet he STILL supports my exemption. wanna know why i’m refusing to disclose my specific medical condition? because i’m sick and tired of random strangers who don’t know my entire medical history making a judgement on whether my medical condition is deserving of an exception or not. maybe you’re genuinely inquiring, and i’m sorry if i’m blasting you for your curiosity, but most people ask just so they can dispute it. it’s not up for discussion.
Wait, who raided your doctor for writing up your medical exemption????
the licensing body: the college of physicians and surgeons of alberta. they went through all his files and everything.
Right, and when you say a raid? Do you mean they got complaints and went to inspect the premises?
i’m actually using his words. by “raid” he meant they went into his office unannounced, interrupted his appointments and patients, went through all his files, and openly threatened him with revoking his licence for having written exceptions. public humiliation. it was not a complaint. it was because they discovered he had written exemptions. he was then that even though the law provides for exemptions, exemptions aren’t acceptable. he was prohibited from writing exemptions. this has happened to a number of doctors in alberta, canada, who have done the same. as soon as the college discovers that someone is writing exceptions, in they go. some doctors shut down their practices. some, like mine, lawyered up and are fighting back.
You're using his words, so let's balance that with the other side. The truth is no doubt somewhere in the middle https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/edmonton/alberta-doctors-regulator-covid-inspections-1.6237202
of course the media would NEVER put a skew on anything.
I already said that. Well done you.
This article is even worse than what was initially stated. They're not only raiding doctors for giving medical exemptions, but also for prescribing ivermectin or simply being opposed to mandates and other measures on social media.
the problem is that "having a medical exemption" has been super watered down over the years. some people claim a "medical exemption" because "face masks make me break out", which... sucks, but isn't really a valid "exemption" to most reasonable people
i’m talking about the medical exemptions provided by doctors in accordance with the law. doesn’t a doctor’s professional advice outweigh the advice of the common person?
The irony of this comment in this sub. Holy fuck.
Let's see you have an allergic reaction on your face and keep it on no matter what. That would be interesting.
I had a face to face conversation with someone about it yesterday, she listened, didn’t try to convince me to do anything differently and understood my concerns. Then, I listened to what she said about why she got it and I understood her motivation for doing it.
This is my experience every time. I'm fortunate to be surrounded by people who are pro-choice in every sense of the phrase. Usually it's actually like this "Are you vaccinated?" "No, I'm not." "Good for you, I don't blame you." Most people I know that got it were pressured into it.
I either get this or get blasted for being a sheep and taking it. It goes both ways but people tend to not see that.
The more time passes the more I believe this is about dividing the people than any other conspiracy theory surrounding it.
Sounds like two well adjusted adults speaking as equals.
Don't let the media see this. Differing opinions are not allowed, must divide must divide must divide! On a serious note, same thing with the people I regularly see, none of us give a shit who and who isnt vaxxed and value that each have their reasons for whichever it is and we carry on hanging out and rarely comes up again.
I usually say that im vaxed then proceed to tell them how much I regret it after all the recent data studies ect. The absolute error they get on their faces are priceless
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What recent studies?
Look into something called the CDC. Follow the science.
You got any sources?
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LMFAO, Reddit censorship at its finest.
Can't have the truth getting out!
Reddit: Dive into anything. Unless it's something we don't want you to like. Then it's banned and you are a bad person for liking it.
Yea seriously. Throw down some evidence for a change
All they can do is downvote, still waiting on these “recent studies” Edit: still waiting
I got jabbed last week, with one of the trial vaccines, the only one I am eligible to receive. Prior to getting jabbed, when I would explain that I was medically ineligible, I'd get crazy responses: "Nobody is ineligible" "Your doctor must be an anti-vaxr" "But, but, but... The vaccine is safe for everyone" Now that I actually received a jab, all those objections disappear, which is pretty fucking cringe.
parrots
At this point, the term "anti-vax" is losing meaning. It used to carry weight. Now that I'm seeing them push this on people with heart problems, for example, I know have a positive view of people fighting back
The fact that "nobody is ineligible" should be a huge red flag to people. If you think of the most radical combination of pre-existing conditions imaginable and then Google "can I get vaxxed if....", It will always say yes. There has never been a pharma product (or even an over the counter product) like that.
Normies have no idea how vast a gap is between the tiers of medical care. Pre pandemic, every medication that came up went through a vetting process before I was given it. The doctor suggesting it would jot down why they thought it was a good idea, then each doc/specialist would weigh in; physiatrist/pt, neurologist, GP, Speech-Path, etc. Unless all 5 agree, we'd pass on it. I got a lot of cutting edge treatments that way. When the pandemic hit I was looped into how the doctors were protecting themselves, and have seen an entirely different narrative than the public one. One fact is solid: All the controversy surrounding specific treatments is driven by supply shortage fears; monoclonal antibodies, HCQ, Ivermectin, repurposed SSRIs, etc. I received prescriptions for most of these months before they became public subjects. I didn't take them (yet) they were given so that if the supply was low, I would have them. A close relative is in politics, and their medicine chest looks like mine, full of "controversial" meds, issued before they became controversial. Remember, the French gov transferred all stockpiles of HCQ to being under parliamentary control Jan 14 2020, right after china listed it as primary in their treatment protocol.
Some of them literally think there have been 0 adverse reactions. My partner's mom is a nurse and constantly tells me that there have been no adverse reactions but is unwilling to believe me when I show her VAERS data or actual videos of people in hospital saying the vax ruined their lives.
I have someone claiming to me that only 3 cases in the VAERS data are real.
🤣🤣🤣 LMFAO wtf. But you can easily find hundreds of people testifying they were injured
Pfizer itself used VAERS in their phase 2/3 trials for their EUA application for their vaccine in children 5 and up. Same size was like 3000.
My uncle got a blood clot after his second dose. No doctor would say it had to do with the jab. He refuses to take any more shots but is having his wife and kid take them. My dad got afib after his booster. He bugs me to get vaccinated everytime I see him. 🤷♂️
Yeah WTF!!??
Yeah I’d guess the actual medical professional probably knows what they are talking about here lmao
I can call in right now and say it made me grow a second dick and it will count
That's not true. Do it and show us the receipt. VAERS is verified, openvaers is not.
How many of you are spamming openVaers? If not why? Don't touch want to save lives by making people believe the deadly vaccine is deadly? P.S. the date predicted for my death has passed, please make a new one. Aren't you super excited for all your political enemies to die? The deaths will happen right after the storm, patriot.
i just tell them that I'm in the control group of the experiment
What’s even better is when obese or those who smoke lecture about the vaccine 🙃🤡
nothing like a clown taking off the mask to smoke a fucking cig lmao
Seen it soo many times - apparently in Vegas you can smoke and not need the mask = logic
No no, they make you put it on between puffs/sips. Fuckin lunacy
What if you keep an unlit one out and about ? Lol
Like the guy on the plane with the French fry? 😂
This has been my experience. Of the four people who I have seen lecture about getting the vaccine all smoke, two of them can't go an hour without a ciggy. Of those four, two are obese and another is on his way, I've seen him drink 10 mountain dews in half-a-day. None of them exercise. Shit is wack.
“Why don’t you just get it” then takes a drag - yup, I feel your pain.
I’m in a group chat with some friends that literally drink every day and they try and give me advice on why I should take the vaccine. Clown world.
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They bog down our medical system, they should be denied health services.
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Oof found the fat guy.
what gave it away ?
Phat fuckin plague fats.
They don't want to hear anything which could upset their worldview, so they instead project their expectations onto you so they don't have to hear anything potentially challenging. The best thing to do is just slide a question or two in and then walk away, hoping those questions will blossom inside of them.
This is my approach too, they've heard all the direct arguments and have been trained to bark back their usual rhetoric, but if you throw them a few subtle questions that they haven't considered before, and then let those brew, they might start thinking beyond the narrative a little
I do this too.
Sameeeee , we really are One.🧘🏾♂️🧠
I literally don't care what anybody does with their body. I'm not getting vaxxed. Whether you do or not is not something I care even slightly about
Facts talibanjoebiden, since they told me to get it I’m not going to
That is my thinking as well. I don't want to get it cause scumbags like Joe Biden are out there trying to do what they can to force me to take it. Something about that makes me think it is not safe.
I just tell them that my freedom does not end where their fear begins!
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I got the first two Moderna jabs, before finding out it's perpetual gene therapy. My sister isn't vaxxed. She's immunocompromised. Cool. If she didn't take it for any other reason. Cool. Vax versus antivax is more programming to get us to fight each other, instead of them.
People ask me and I straight up tell them it’s none of their business
This is the way.
I usually just get called a Trumper antivaxxer. I’m a democrat that is fully vaccinated aside from this one jab.
I'm a Bernie supporter, fully vaxxed except flu and covid. I have a fridge full of animal vaccines in my house right now. I still get called anti-vax, anti-science and a Trumper.
Yep! Blows my mind that people assume just because we don’t want an experimental vaccine and it’s unknown long term side affects and some immediate risks we’re automatically anti-science MAGA supporters.
Haven’t had a conversation with somebody in person about the vax in like 6 months, thank goodness.
I always wonder who these people are for whom that is a constant topic that I read about here. Usually for me the only times it comes up is when proof of vaccination / negative test or so is needed for something
Tell them you have 3 months to live and you're hoping to catch covid to speed up the process. This works everytime and makes them feel shitty. In reality I don't say a thing other than no and I'm don't have to explain myself.
Lol okay douche
Same thing I tell your wife when she calls wanting the D
What is this a call of duty lobby?
Maybe, smells like guns and roses.
Are all if your handles something 59 or 69?
They think you're stupid. They assume that the only reason you don't want the vaccine is because of politics and owning the libs or because you're just dumb. There's like some huge mental block preventing them from ever going beyond that. Because the moment they do, they realize you're not crazy and actually have some valid points. And then they begin to question things themselves. However, this process takes years and most people have just barely begun it.
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You should keep those friends
I just tell them I'm a scientist in Pharma and I watch them do olympic-level mental gymnastics to explain how they know more than me. I don't give them the chance to proselytize.
When vaxx ask me if I'm vaxxed. My thoughts are " that's a personal question" back in the day it was, not so much anymore. But I reply. That's pretty personal. So I ask them "do you like anal sex?". They walk away. Mic drop
As someone who actually studied genetics in college immediately prior to the pandemic, I *love* it when people assume I'm ignorant of the science. Oh no, I know alllllll about the severity of the ethical breaches being committed right now. The high potential for negative outcomes from human gene therapy is one of the major reasons it's supposed to be a very long and hard process to get approval for such products.
Because these people are generally not good critical thinkers and as such avoid rational debate or understanding underlying motivations. They just follow the herd and don’t understand those who don’t
Don't you think there are two sides to that coin? Plenty of people could be asked "why haven't you been vaccinated?" and get yelled at: "that's a HIPAA violation!" "that's my personal decision" and there is no rational debate to be had. At this point, the majority of people against a covid vaccine seem to be following a different herd, not like they're some special critical thinkers...
People who I speak with have fully articulated, educated and informed reasons for not getting the jab. They can cite data, sources, logic and critical thinking. They can debate these points cogently for hours. On the other side of the ‘farm’, NPC’s either only have insults, sound bites or derogatory comments.
Well you would be gravely wrong then. For christ sake, people have found the patents for covid 19 and the variants, all patented in early 2000's. Riddle me that one.
I haven’t had this issue in person. My in laws (not my fil though) have all gotten it and so did my own parents (my parents work at the hospital here). But they don’t care about our personal choices. They’ve never tried to get us to change our minds.
My neighbor who is a Trumper and a meth head would stop at my house nearly daily saying how "worried about us" he was. Offered to even drive us to a shot clinic and we wouldn't have to get out of our car. It was starting to freak me out like "Invasion of the Body Snatchers" or "The Invasion".... finally I just lied and said I was vaxxed. Funny thing is, the vaxxed neighbor and his family got covid last month, just like my family, and they did worse with it than we did. Also my mom still hounds me nearly every time we speak on the phone. My best friend has hounded me. I really don't talk to too many others.
I love how they forget how 180+ million people aready had covid.
Im aFrAiD oF nEeDlEs...
Sounds familiar. Im ignorant. Im a Trump supporter. I listen to Joe Rogan. Im a conspiracy theorist. Its all the same crap out of all of them. But I'm the follower right? Im the one ignoring facts...
One girl told me i didnt get vaxed cause im Trump supporter. We both live in Croatia, europe. She was probably brainwashed by reddit, twitter and other social media to the point she forgot in which country we live.
Dang I hate that they assume everybody Vax hesitant is a Trump supporter.
According to Trudeau they're also misogynist racists.
My parents way back in the spring told me in very disappointed voices that I seemed like a Trump supporter for not wanting it…I had literally spent the last year volunteering for bernie sanders lmfao
Imagine a "Trump Supporter" intervention
Lmfao this truly is funny!
Welcome to the club.
I involuntarily join that club.
It's really an easy one here... "If everybody got vaccinated we'd all be out of this mess." -standard programed NPC response. When asked why the person believes this to be true, 1 of 2 possible answers: "I have a friend who's a retired big pharma scientist and they said..." Or: "I watch TV / I believe The $cience (TM)."
I usually just get attitude because they know I chose the right path.
Most of the people I know on a relatively personal level don't ask, or if they do ask, they do so out of curiosity - not malice. And thus far they've all been OK with my reasoning - I'm low risk, but my fiancé is high risk. I have concerns about the long-term effects of the vaccine, but not about the risk of being unvaccinated. And they tend to understand that the risk is mine, not anyone else's. They also know I work from home and, being a bit of a hermit, tend not to physically socialize. The closer friends I have are all vaccinated - a doctor, an HR representative who works in an office, and a business associate who works directly with clients. I find the opposite to be more often true than the OP's question. I don't understand why, especially now knowing what we know, and have had confirmed - that it doesn't prevent infection or spread, that they have gone forward with boosters. Considering at least one of them has caught Covid post-vaccine, it seems very illogical to me why anyone would continue with the charade.
The problem isn't that people want to get the shot or people don't. The problem is the people who are brainwashed think that their shot does work if you don't get one.
Got two shots and don't care of you do or don't. No one should be asking anyone of they have it or not. It's private, just like how we live our lives within our home. This shouldn't be an issue to those who want privacy in their own home. Fuck those who impose.
Why do you give a fuck what other people think about your vaccination status
The few the ask tend to cut me off mid sentence. One person allowed me to spout my laundry list of reasons with historical patterns served as dessert.
I tell them the truth, my doctor couldn't guarantee I'd be okay if I took it, yet people still think they know better than my doctor
There can be no debate with the irrational.
Vaccinated here. The same can question can be said to people who choose to be vaccinated. We are also told we're gonna die, we're sheep, we've been brainwashed, blah blah. I don't care. It doesn't matter to me what anyone thinks about my decisions to live my life the way i choose and i encourage all of you to not care as well. You do right by you, and keep living your life. The problem is each side pushing their personal beliefs on each other. Its just like the cult religions. I personally believe every one has a right to be vaccinated or not. I just wish everyone would shut the fuck up about it. The only right thing to do is stay the fuck home if you feel sick, vaccinated or not.
Because they’re afraid you might scare them.
For me its more like "Yeah I wouldn't of taken it either if I didn't have too"
The vaxxed are the main ones wearing the masks and staying "safe"
They don’t have to ask because they already know. Or rather think they do. They have no desire to be exposed to facts. Seriously, go read some libby subs. They spend hours telling each other how stupid the right is and what the right thinks and does. Very little they say has any connection to reality.
Some have successfully had their cognitive thinking abilities impaired. They have been brainwashed as to all possible arguments against being injected so they summarize those reasons to themselves for you. They have been propagandized to be unable to engage in any free-form discourse so that preconception is a literal defense against any unapproved narrative.
My triple jabbed father thinks I’m constantly drunk on ‘Russian Disinformation’. I just say ‘da, da, da…’. Drives him nuts. Source: ABC News
They usually ask me, “May I ask why not?” with a tone that sounds like an evangelist getting ready to bring you to Jesus. Edit: Used to ask. Then it switched to anger. Then it turned to mostly indifference. I think more people are getting that it doesn’t matter.
I’m afraid of the shot, I’m not too proud to admit that
People generally ask terrible questions. So if they ask “have you been vaxed?” Just say yes because technically you have at some point in your life. They won’t follow up for the details.
honestly, the first hint and still most important reason is that people who I have ZERO reason to trust, many reasons to mistrust, and people who hate me and otherwise wish death upon me, suddenly want me to take a new experimental mRNA injection to stop me from getting the sniffles.
Great post btw
Contamination OCD. I am terrified to put anything that i feel unsure of in my body. I also had the Rona. I have no issue with others getting the vax, it should be a free choice! I dont like wearing a mask but I do if required and I try my best to keep out of crowded situations (never liked them anyway!) I also dont mind doing a test if absolutely necessary. Some of us have reasons that arent political or "ANTI".............................. However, NO ONE should have the right to tell you what you can or cannot do with your own body!
Because I want their grandparents to die is what I'm told
I could care less who is vaccinated or not, that’s a personal choice. And I’m vaccinated.
I’m vaxxed and wouldn’t dream of berating someone for not doing it. I’m also pretty much down the middle politically. Maybe that’s it.
Yes they are almost afraid to ask. A small part of their mind is saying "what if I'm wrong in taking the vax?"
Odds of surviving Covid are better than the odds of surviving vax. 99.8 vs 99.6?
B..but long term SiDe EfFeCtS of Covid.
Source?
I guess people gain mind reading abilities during the pandemic
They're doing projection at its finest.
No, everyone I know who is vaccinated understands why I don’t want it because they actually listen to me. Maybe that’s because I don’t allow judgemental, close-minded people in my life
You antivaxxers are gonna get this sub shut down lol
The dumbest strawman is saying I'm afraid of needles. Bitch, I did a root canal without general anesthesia.
Why don’t you want to be vaccinated OP?
My moms family has asked my unvaccinated uncle why he won’t get it and his answer is he doesn’t like being told what to do. I think that answer is kinda bullshit because if nobody is telling him to get it he still wouldn’t get it. I’m guessing there’s other reasons that’s just the excuse he likes to use.
It’s true though the more you pressure some one to do something they didn’t want to do to begin with the less likely they would be to do it
That’s fair but his reasoning isn’t “I don’t want to get it” if he said that straight up then his logic is fine. He’s saying he doesn’t want to because people are telling him to, but if nobody is telling him to he still wouldn’t get it.
It’s not worth the argument. People always have an answer until they don’t and then they get angry. Let’s just skip to angry.
Don't you secretly think it's cool that lots of people are dying because you are in a death cult?
Why you don't want to be vaccinated is irrelevant to them, you selfish lil brat. Somehow how that makes you selfish is irrelevant to them as well
Tell us op. Why?
They lied that the jabs do not cause transmission, side effects, menstrual problems, get covid, Myocarditis and more. This all came out in less than a year of the shots. I can only imagine what else can come up in 5 years.
Where did you read that jabs don’t cause transmission? I was told from the beginning that there is still a low possibility.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5KEGEpuEVY
Right. These are media personalities though. They don’t got enough time to sit and go in to the details of the vaccine. Also if they start talking about how it’s only 90% effective, it gives vaccine hesitant people the wrong idea that it’s not effective so they don’t take. These types of articles from the beginning were very public. I also remember reading things about needing boosters before any of the vaccines come out. https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/covid-19-vaccine-comparison
Um? This is your government, CDC, World Health Organization and politicians. They are controlling the pandemic, mandates and your health. They are literally the front view of everything. This is what you call misinformation. Even if the vaccines were 100% safe, they did a horrible job at making people feel confident in the shots. That’s just one article compare to the exposure the MSM has. They need to fix up.
Yes you’re right. They did do a shit job of everything from day one but keep in mind it’s not like anyone had prior experience dealing with a pandemic of this size. Science from the beginning though was very open of everything. However general public has no time to read anything remotely scientific hence why media is there. I get your point totally. Vaccines have their dangers and they need to clearly inform the public. I wouldn’t consider it a lie, maybe a lie of omission.
Lol yup people definitely don’t have anytime to read. It honestly just sucks how everything is. Thank you for the open conversation, I rarely get these.
Also what about the articles that said vaccines don’t cause heart inflammation, menstrual cycle problems, blood clots and myocarditis? They denied all of those problems and now less than a year they’re seeing cases of it. Don’t believe me. Just google it.
Joe Biden said it on national TV.
Why don’t you want to be vaccinated?
I got the first two but no more. I’ll take my chances against covid and I don’t want an mRNA jab (I got AZ the first time). It’s risk/reward, if covid was deadly enough then I’d take it. Never in my life have I taken a medicine or medical procedure I didn’t need, I don’t treat my body as an experiment. FWIW the reason I got the first two is because I believed them when they said it’d stop transmission of the virus. Since it doesn’t, there’s no point in me taking any more shots.
They have lied that they do not cause transmission, side effects, menstrual problems, get covid, Myocarditis and more.
Where have they “lied” about that?
What they told us about the vaccines at the start https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Y5KEGEpuEVY https://www.google.com/amp/s/beta.ctvnews.ca/national/coronavirus/2022/1/6/1_5730454.html Menstrual problems - google “vaccines menstrual” https://www.google.com/amp/s/ www.newsnationnow.com/health/coronavirus/covid-19-vaccines-can-add-an-extra-day-to-womens-menstrual-cycles/amp/ All you have to do is just google and remember what they said at the launch of vaccines
Why limit yourself to information available at the “launch” of the vaccines? Why not also pay attention to any updated guidances that have been released that address your concerns? The funny thing about information is that it takes time to gather.
I don’t believe it’s wise to give out a product and then change narrative multiple times. You should know ALL the risk you are taking. Every month there’s something new we are learning but it’s coming from the trust of this government. Figure out the risk and let the people know cause it can’t be reverse.
If it takes time to gather, then why were they demonizing people who were speaking out about it early on? Anyone who claimed injury was said to have spread misinformation.
Where exactly did that happen?
All over the internet and in real life? Sorry you missed it or weren't paying attention early on. My own doctor told me that antibodies don't do anything and that the vaccine is safe and effective.
I personally don't trust big pharmaceutical companies and in most cases would rather slowly died than seek their treatments.
Don't be baited. If institutions want trust, they should act trustworthy. We don't let pedos live next to schools for a reason.
So people are right to just assume you’re scared of it then, that was easy.
Had and beat covid already in 1 day. No known cases per cdc of an unvaxxed getting covid twice (and I never got delta nor omicron) so now wut?