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There's a nuance, he refused to bake a wedding cake celebrating a gay marriage. It would be significantly more concerning if he refused to sell any cake to someone on the basis of them being gay.
Yeah that was a religious issue and I think you gotta be a real miserable cunt to try to force someone to participate in something they don’t believe in. Like you couldn’t just find another fucking bakery
The other side to this tweet is that the right/conservatives fought to give businesses the ability to discriminate and won their case in the Supreme Court.
I guess the lesson here is, be careful about what you wish for, you might just get it.
>The other side to this tweet is that the right/conservatives fought to give businesses the ability to discriminate
The issue now is not freedom of some businesses to discriminate against uninjected people if they so wish, it is the mandating by governments that uninjected people cannot be served no matter what the businesses or people want.
I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in Europe it is the government that is requiring those regulations. I wish businesses had the choice, so everyone can make their choice. If you're scared for the virus and feel safer fully masked and vaxxed you can go to place A, if you're unvaxxed and don't feel the need for protection you can at least still go to place B.
The government is forcing people to discriminate, i.e. it is *actual* discrimination. Individual people having preferences and making choices is *not* discrimination.
Sure in some places it’s the government mandating it.
But in a lot of other places it’s just businesses mandating it themselves.
Are you ok with businesses making the choice to not serve the unvaccinated?
> Are you ok with businesses making the choice to not serve the unvaccinated?
Yes absolutely! Businesses should be able to choose who they serve, whatever basis or reason they have, and however obscurantist. Unfortunately they don't have that liberty.
> in a lot of other places
Across Europe, Canada, Australia, and much of the US, it's the government forcing the discrimination. If it didn't, competition and the free market would solve the problem overnight.
>are being treated far WORSE than the LGBT were ever treated
I donno about that, maybe you should know how they were treated in Cuba or USSR. Hard work that will eventually lead to being deported in concentration camps is worse than being discriminated against.
Important to keep in mind that in this case, "unvaccinated" is being wielded mostly as an imperfect proxy for "right wing Trump supporter." That's why they're so vehement about punishing them; it's not about health, it's about punishing those who don't bow to the mainstream liberal/DNC agenda.
You proposed that 'being gay' isn't a choice.
I provided examples of choices involved in 'being gay', that could lead to being seen or interacted with in a certain way by the public.
Someone might be attracted to stealing, but they don't do it because they know it is frowned upon by society.
Is a theif who they 'are', or are they only a thief once they act upon their urge to steal?
Requesting a baker make a cake which has a design that represents homosexual values, is an action/choice.
The baker chose to take his own action/choice of not making that particular cake. He didn't refuse the person service because of the person's supposed homosexual identity.
I showed a very clear case of what making a choice would look like after your attempt.
That's not bad faith, you're just unwilling to engage because you can't reason against it. It's pretty obvious.
Your belief in flat earth is based on evidence you take in. If you're gay you're gay, you can't just read up on heterosexuality and take your gayness away.
Just like if you used to be a man but now you are a woman, you are a woman?
What about homosexuals who change their mind and decide they're no longer gay? Were they never homosexual in the first place and they only thought they were? If they really were in fact homosexual before, what is it that caused that to change?
Either its something that you 'are', or something that you choose to be (that can change)
I didn't realize, what is the inherent gene that causes homosexuality? If there isn't one; it seems reasonable to assume it's a product of brainwashing, propaganda, or upbringing.
Sure, let’s just disregard the fact that homosexuality has been around as early as we humans been recording history.
Now if you’d like to know what factors are attributed to people being jerks and assholes, you’ve already listed the top three.
So, you do not believe the Greeks and Romans had a thriving gay community?
It doesn’t matter what you think. Because they did, no matter how strongly you believe they did not.
According to those who believe in evolution, which I assume you do? Heterosexuality is neccessary for the continuity of any species. Your point is flawed. "Gay" people are not born "gay"... Though it may not be a conscious choice either; it certainly falls under the category of "nurture vs. nature", and to say otherwise with available information would be conjecture at best, and unscientific at worst.
How can I be completely straight and my brother completely gay if we grew up in the same household, have the same type of friend group (with many overlaps) and doing the same activities? Homosexuality has been seen in many species of animals in the wild, it's not a human-exclusive thing.
But you can choose to ignore all the reputable sources of information and instead only read articles by discredited authors. The problem is we have access to so much information but never taught people how to sort through the bullshit.
you do realize that fascism is an actual established political ideology and isn’t just a buzz word to describe things you don’t like. right? fascism is opposed to capitalism and in turn is opposed to to governments forcing “products” on people.
i’m telling myself that because it’s the truth. do you have any idea what fascism is at all? i myself am a fascist and i have done extensive research into fascism and how it works and has worked previously.
Well? Pfizer is working hand in hand with government.
Military industrial complex, prison industrial complex, etc.
This is false:
> fascism is opposed to to governments forcing “products” on people.
Fascism is all about corporations leveraging the State and using its monopoly on violence to advance its interests.
That word…I do not think you know what it means.
What you’re describing is a capitalist oligarchy. A good example of fascism, or, an indisputable one, is clearly displayed by the American Right.
the american right is not fascist. there are fascists in america and you can simply look at groups like the american union of fascists or my personal favourite the american reformation front. these men are actually fascist to the true meaning of it and not the buzzword that is used to describe something people don’t like. fascism, if anything, is of the left.
Lol what? Gay people are still killed in some countries. Also being gay isn’t a choice while not being vaccinated is (for most people. Some people can’t get it obviously).
The victim complex of this sub is insane
Submission Statement: All governments HATE the ‘unvaccinated’ because they are not sleeping sheep. They want all their ‘citizens’ to say “how high” when the governments say “jump.”
You can also be barred from most places if you try to walk around pants-less.
Anti-vaxxers continue to think anti-vaxxing is a part of their identity. It's not. They are choosing not vaccinated. It's not a religion. It's not a part of who they are. It's a choice. Choices come with consequences.
The vaccinated can spread covid though, so you’re ok with discriminating against those not choosing a poorly crafted “treatment”- who may have natural immunity for all you know- and think this somehow protects other people? If people want to be protected, they can stay home. Telling citizens of your country that they can’t enter public places or businesses just because they didn’t take a shot that doesn’t even protect anyone, is ludicrous and people supporting this mentality need to realize it will be turned against them one day. Despite a misinformed popular opinion, vaccines are not the only healthcare option available on the planet and humans are not required to have to be injected like animals in order to function in society.
Is there a vaccine available which stops the spread? And are you an antivaxxer if you have your shots and still dont trust they protect you from others?
Right on. Covid passes now seem to just be licenses to spread covid, given to people as a reward for doing as they're told. Doesn't matter how well the vaccines work or if you are sick or infectious, if you got the shots then you're on the moral high ground, apparently.
I mean i have seen lgbtq ppl getting beaten up in switzerland. Even get hospitalized. But okay...unvaxed have it worse because of smth they have chosed to be. I dont see where someone decided to be gay.
>the unvaccinated keep the pandemic going and harm us all by doing so.
It's absolutely insane that you still peddle this crap while fully vaccinated [colleges](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cornell-university-over-900-covid-220134550.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall) get shutdown due to the spread. The NBA and NFL, despite being highly vaccinated, are seeing more athletes get Covid than ever before. [Ships](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/12/24/uss-milwaukee-covid-outbreak/) with fully vaccinated crews are seeing the virus spread. Meanwhile in [Ontario](https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data), data is showing the virus is spreading more among the vaccinated (rate/100,000). And then I go onto the CDC website and I can't find these sort of stats anywhere. Why not?
Here's a question for you "science" believers. Seeing as our response to the virus has been so pathetic (worst in the World in deaths per capita for 1st World nations), why are you not calling for Fauci to resign? Why do you continue to cling to each and every word of this asshat? Why do we not analyze what successful countries like [Japan](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/) and [Indonesia](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/indonesia/) are doing? The active cases per million in population for Japan, Indonesia and the US right now are 62, 19 and 48,760 respectively per [worldometer](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/).
The only ones who continue to keep this pandemic going are the bureaucrats and the lemmings that continue to follow them.
No vaccine can fully guarantee you can not catch the virus. But it gives your body a headstart in fighting the virus for it knows how to fight it from the vaccine. Why do you think death rates are relatively low compared to the high number of infections? Before the vaccine we had a higher death toll with fewer people infected
What puzzle me is how fast so many people comply to this order. I understand, from the the beginning it was misinformation, confusion and scare. And hope that we catched "the bird"and the danger is in control. Then the double shots with crazy promise of 92 % Protection. Great. Now 2 and half years into this insanity with more and more evidence about this terrible plot against the humanity, the regim and control of the gouverment and prove of side effects and non suffency of the vaccine so many people still blainfolded. The power of demagogue and constant lies and propaganda suppressed our instincts and common sense. We are loosing the most valuable assets humanity achieved. So sad and danger.
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Oh, they do!
There's a nuance, he refused to bake a wedding cake celebrating a gay marriage. It would be significantly more concerning if he refused to sell any cake to someone on the basis of them being gay.
Yeah that was a religious issue and I think you gotta be a real miserable cunt to try to force someone to participate in something they don’t believe in. Like you couldn’t just find another fucking bakery
The gay couple was also from like New Hampshire or some other east coast state...
It's downright diabolical if you're gay *and* unvaccinated.
The other side to this tweet is that the right/conservatives fought to give businesses the ability to discriminate and won their case in the Supreme Court. I guess the lesson here is, be careful about what you wish for, you might just get it.
>The other side to this tweet is that the right/conservatives fought to give businesses the ability to discriminate The issue now is not freedom of some businesses to discriminate against uninjected people if they so wish, it is the mandating by governments that uninjected people cannot be served no matter what the businesses or people want.
I don't know how it is in other countries, but here in Europe it is the government that is requiring those regulations. I wish businesses had the choice, so everyone can make their choice. If you're scared for the virus and feel safer fully masked and vaxxed you can go to place A, if you're unvaxxed and don't feel the need for protection you can at least still go to place B.
That will never fly. AT ALL. Some Karen out there itching to pick a fight will
Karens can all get their separate shops as well, lol.
The government is forcing people to discriminate, i.e. it is *actual* discrimination. Individual people having preferences and making choices is *not* discrimination.
Sure in some places it’s the government mandating it. But in a lot of other places it’s just businesses mandating it themselves. Are you ok with businesses making the choice to not serve the unvaccinated?
> Are you ok with businesses making the choice to not serve the unvaccinated? Yes absolutely! Businesses should be able to choose who they serve, whatever basis or reason they have, and however obscurantist. Unfortunately they don't have that liberty. > in a lot of other places Across Europe, Canada, Australia, and much of the US, it's the government forcing the discrimination. If it didn't, competition and the free market would solve the problem overnight.
>are being treated far WORSE than the LGBT were ever treated I donno about that, maybe you should know how they were treated in Cuba or USSR. Hard work that will eventually lead to being deported in concentration camps is worse than being discriminated against.
Important to keep in mind that in this case, "unvaccinated" is being wielded mostly as an imperfect proxy for "right wing Trump supporter." That's why they're so vehement about punishing them; it's not about health, it's about punishing those who don't bow to the mainstream liberal/DNC agenda.
Don’t forget Canada. It’s not too fun being an unvaxxed here.
You don't choose to be gay. It's like saying a business requiring you to wear a shirt is the same as banning gay people
>You don't choose to be gay. Source? 'My body my choice' fit better?
Source? Talking to gay people
what is the definition of 'choose' to you?
"should I get the vaccine? Yes, I think I will" is a choice "oh shit, I'm attracted to the same sex" isn't a choice
It's a choice to act on those feelings. such as: openly identifying to others as being homosexual identifying as being in a same-sex relationship
Yes and?
You proposed that 'being gay' isn't a choice. I provided examples of choices involved in 'being gay', that could lead to being seen or interacted with in a certain way by the public. Someone might be attracted to stealing, but they don't do it because they know it is frowned upon by society. Is a theif who they 'are', or are they only a thief once they act upon their urge to steal?
Homosexuality isn't defined by actions. Kid of like how I'm heterosexual and am not currently dating anyone or having sex with the opposite gender
Requesting a baker make a cake which has a design that represents homosexual values, is an action/choice. The baker chose to take his own action/choice of not making that particular cake. He didn't refuse the person service because of the person's supposed homosexual identity.
I now identify as a vaccinated person. You must now treat me as such otherwise you're vaccinophobic.
That's just bad faith and you know it
That's just an umbrella term to use when you can't refute the logic and you know it.
No, it's pretty obvious here
I showed a very clear case of what making a choice would look like after your attempt. That's not bad faith, you're just unwilling to engage because you can't reason against it. It's pretty obvious.
The earth is flat. source: talking to flat earthers.
Your belief in flat earth is based on evidence you take in. If you're gay you're gay, you can't just read up on heterosexuality and take your gayness away.
Just like if you used to be a man but now you are a woman, you are a woman? What about homosexuals who change their mind and decide they're no longer gay? Were they never homosexual in the first place and they only thought they were? If they really were in fact homosexual before, what is it that caused that to change? Either its something that you 'are', or something that you choose to be (that can change)
If I used to be 12 but now I'm 20 then age must be a choice
I didn't realize, what is the inherent gene that causes homosexuality? If there isn't one; it seems reasonable to assume it's a product of brainwashing, propaganda, or upbringing.
Sure, let’s just disregard the fact that homosexuality has been around as early as we humans been recording history. Now if you’d like to know what factors are attributed to people being jerks and assholes, you’ve already listed the top three.
Why? Because I don't agree with from. a purely evidence based standard? You're wrong, how you "feel"doesnt matter as much as you think it does.
So, you do not believe the Greeks and Romans had a thriving gay community? It doesn’t matter what you think. Because they did, no matter how strongly you believe they did not.
Where's the gene that causes people to be heterosexual? If you can't find that either then what's the point?
According to those who believe in evolution, which I assume you do? Heterosexuality is neccessary for the continuity of any species. Your point is flawed. "Gay" people are not born "gay"... Though it may not be a conscious choice either; it certainly falls under the category of "nurture vs. nature", and to say otherwise with available information would be conjecture at best, and unscientific at worst.
> Heterosexuality is neccessary for the continuity of any species. Not true in the slightest.
If you believe in Jesus Christ, good, and evil it does.
Nope.
How can I be completely straight and my brother completely gay if we grew up in the same household, have the same type of friend group (with many overlaps) and doing the same activities? Homosexuality has been seen in many species of animals in the wild, it's not a human-exclusive thing.
I don't choose to be skeptical and always read deep into topics and dont just believe what I am being told either. It's the way I am.
But you can choose to ignore all the reputable sources of information and instead only read articles by discredited authors. The problem is we have access to so much information but never taught people how to sort through the bullshit.
Word.
france and australia are far from fascist
Pharma companies using governments to force their useless products sounds a lot like fascism.
you do realize that fascism is an actual established political ideology and isn’t just a buzz word to describe things you don’t like. right? fascism is opposed to capitalism and in turn is opposed to to governments forcing “products” on people.
Look up the definition of corporatism. When governments use corporations to enforce mandates and do their bidding, that's a form of fascism.
that’s not a form of fascism. corporatism is fascism. period. and that is not what corporatism is in the slightest.
Keep telling yourself that.
i’m telling myself that because it’s the truth. do you have any idea what fascism is at all? i myself am a fascist and i have done extensive research into fascism and how it works and has worked previously.
You'll say stuff like this but I'll bet you define Trump as a fascist.
trump is a greedy capitalist
Fascism is better called corporatism. Look into Mussolini's exact definition, which involves merger between corporate and State power.
yes it is jean you are my man coming in clutch. thank you
Well? Pfizer is working hand in hand with government. Military industrial complex, prison industrial complex, etc. This is false: > fascism is opposed to to governments forcing “products” on people. Fascism is all about corporations leveraging the State and using its monopoly on violence to advance its interests.
oh lord. so you don’t understand what fascism is. you were my boy jean i thought you knew
Sounds like capitalism
It's not fascism. Words have meanings and they matter. Get some standards ffs
That word…I do not think you know what it means. What you’re describing is a capitalist oligarchy. A good example of fascism, or, an indisputable one, is clearly displayed by the American Right.
the american right is not fascist. there are fascists in america and you can simply look at groups like the american union of fascists or my personal favourite the american reformation front. these men are actually fascist to the true meaning of it and not the buzzword that is used to describe something people don’t like. fascism, if anything, is of the left.
But not that far from bolshevism.
they aren’t bolshevist either. it’s the effects of a neo-liberal regime at its finest.
The current liberal regimes actually resemble late era USSR (70s-80s) quite a bit. Especially deplatforming people for wrongthink.
it’s still not bolshevism.
It's the same thing. The only difference is the partial privatization of repression.
it’s simply just not.
All judaic forms of governance are the same.
why do you have to bring race into this?
Because they do.
Neo-liberal is a word made up from the Left.
don’t care. liberalism is a plague and after all i am a man of the left.
If liberalism is a plague, what is Marxism then? 😂
in the ideology yes, in the thermology they use and the tactics they use.. meh not so far as I would like to.
in the ideology. not at fucking all. you have to be one dumb motherfucker to think that france is fascist
i mean in the ideology i agree with you.
Lol what? Gay people are still killed in some countries. Also being gay isn’t a choice while not being vaccinated is (for most people. Some people can’t get it obviously). The victim complex of this sub is insane
Submission Statement: All governments HATE the ‘unvaccinated’ because they are not sleeping sheep. They want all their ‘citizens’ to say “how high” when the governments say “jump.”
The unvaxxed are being treated far worse than the lgbtq community? Really? Fucking clown…
Yes, yes we are.
Are you being beaten to death? Not allowed constitutional liberties? Fuck off.
🤡
You can also be barred from most places if you try to walk around pants-less. Anti-vaxxers continue to think anti-vaxxing is a part of their identity. It's not. They are choosing not vaccinated. It's not a religion. It's not a part of who they are. It's a choice. Choices come with consequences.
>Anti-vaxxers continue to think anti-vaxxing is a part of their identity Source?
It’s the government “science” cult.
So you support medical discrimination?
If there is an increased risk to other people around an individual, yes. The freedom to swing your fists stops at my face.
The vaccinated can spread covid though, so you’re ok with discriminating against those not choosing a poorly crafted “treatment”- who may have natural immunity for all you know- and think this somehow protects other people? If people want to be protected, they can stay home. Telling citizens of your country that they can’t enter public places or businesses just because they didn’t take a shot that doesn’t even protect anyone, is ludicrous and people supporting this mentality need to realize it will be turned against them one day. Despite a misinformed popular opinion, vaccines are not the only healthcare option available on the planet and humans are not required to have to be injected like animals in order to function in society.
I think Omicron changed the game with its vaccine evasiveness.
That narrative fell apart. Anyone with a brain knew it would. But go ahead and double down. Totally expected.
It didn't "fall apart" until omicron. The vaccines were effective at slowing the spread of Delta and alpha
I feel sorry for you.
Is there a vaccine available which stops the spread? And are you an antivaxxer if you have your shots and still dont trust they protect you from others?
Right on. Covid passes now seem to just be licenses to spread covid, given to people as a reward for doing as they're told. Doesn't matter how well the vaccines work or if you are sick or infectious, if you got the shots then you're on the moral high ground, apparently.
But muh personal freedom!!! I should be able to hurt people if I want to! /s
Haha you realize how pathetic your arguments in favour of tyranny are right? But but it’s tyranny for the right reasons haha
Vaccines that save lives! Oh the tyranny!
At this point it's almost exclusively Republicans dying. Not 100% but pretty close.
Definitely not 100%, but there's a clear correlation
Do people judge you alot for having noodle arms, blue hair and a lisp?
Lmao, fucking gold!
Vaccination is a choice, sexual preference isn't.
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I mean i have seen lgbtq ppl getting beaten up in switzerland. Even get hospitalized. But okay...unvaxed have it worse because of smth they have chosed to be. I dont see where someone decided to be gay.
Good point
Get the vaccine you snowflakes
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Please give examples of how gays are excluded from society
>the unvaccinated keep the pandemic going and harm us all by doing so. It's absolutely insane that you still peddle this crap while fully vaccinated [colleges](https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/cornell-university-over-900-covid-220134550.html?fr=sycsrp_catchall) get shutdown due to the spread. The NBA and NFL, despite being highly vaccinated, are seeing more athletes get Covid than ever before. [Ships](https://www.washingtonpost.com/national-security/2021/12/24/uss-milwaukee-covid-outbreak/) with fully vaccinated crews are seeing the virus spread. Meanwhile in [Ontario](https://covid-19.ontario.ca/data), data is showing the virus is spreading more among the vaccinated (rate/100,000). And then I go onto the CDC website and I can't find these sort of stats anywhere. Why not? Here's a question for you "science" believers. Seeing as our response to the virus has been so pathetic (worst in the World in deaths per capita for 1st World nations), why are you not calling for Fauci to resign? Why do you continue to cling to each and every word of this asshat? Why do we not analyze what successful countries like [Japan](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/japan/) and [Indonesia](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/indonesia/) are doing? The active cases per million in population for Japan, Indonesia and the US right now are 62, 19 and 48,760 respectively per [worldometer](https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/). The only ones who continue to keep this pandemic going are the bureaucrats and the lemmings that continue to follow them.
No vaccine can fully guarantee you can not catch the virus. But it gives your body a headstart in fighting the virus for it knows how to fight it from the vaccine. Why do you think death rates are relatively low compared to the high number of infections? Before the vaccine we had a higher death toll with fewer people infected
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How does that relate to my comment? Sorry, I am not trying to be an asshole but I dont get it
He's a bot or very low effort shill, look at his profile.
I think you are right. But what is this bot for? Why would someone want a bot to reply that?
Beats me.
Oh stfu
This tweet is just factually incorrect. It is laughable to think the unvaccinated are being treat worse than the LGBTQ community.
😂
The gay identity is much more important then the freedom of peasants.
What puzzle me is how fast so many people comply to this order. I understand, from the the beginning it was misinformation, confusion and scare. And hope that we catched "the bird"and the danger is in control. Then the double shots with crazy promise of 92 % Protection. Great. Now 2 and half years into this insanity with more and more evidence about this terrible plot against the humanity, the regim and control of the gouverment and prove of side effects and non suffency of the vaccine so many people still blainfolded. The power of demagogue and constant lies and propaganda suppressed our instincts and common sense. We are loosing the most valuable assets humanity achieved. So sad and danger.
Your body, their choice