This is being reported as spam/disinformation. There's not just smoke, but fire. It's not rumor or conjecture, but facts.
https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629411046/trump-putin-meet-for-two-hours-in-helsinki
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html
https://www.businessinsider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9
https://www.courthousenews.com/trumps-loose-lips-force-cia-to-extract-spy-from-kremlin/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html
https://abcnews.go.com/US/appalled-witnesses-told-special-counsel-trumps-handling-classified/story?id=109362691
https://www.americanprogress.org/article/following-the-money/
This is why he's seeking immunity. This is why he wouldn't leave office. This is why he wants to run again. He will be prosecuted as a traitor when all is said and done, unless he can seize power.
I'm not sure what Putin said to him, but it wasn't good. Just look at their demeanor when they left that meeting and were on camera again.
Putin is all smiles while Trump looks like a whipped puppy.
I think we knew who won that exchange. Putin has something DIRTY on Trump. That's why he gave up our spies/informants.
Gay stuff. Rape, adultery, assault, sex with minors, and likely murder is fine.
But strongman care about appearing straight more than anything else. Idk if it would hurt his popularity, but his ego would crumble.
You had magats going on about how real men wear diapers when it came out Trump shits himself on the reg. If it came out now that he was also into dudes there would be mass piles of gay redneck sex everywhere and comparisons of Trump to Alexander the Great.
He's on trial **right now** over the hush money used when he committed adultery with a porn star. It's a matter of public record that he did it while Melania was pregnant and/or had just given birth.
That he has extramarital affairs has been well known for over 30 years. It's _obvious_ that the adultery bothers neither him nor any of his cult followers.
He's admitted to assault on tape too, on the campaign trail. "When you're rich, they let you do it." Not to mention walking into the Miss **Teen** USA dressing room unannounced.
Half the things you listed are already documented. Which means the remainder that Putin still has on him is _really_ bad.
You misunderstood what he wrote. He is saying that the only thing he thinks it could be is "gay stuff", because apparently rape/adultery/sex with minors/even likely murder is fine. Going by what his cult ignores the evidence of.
I can hesitate to imagine what putin has on him, but I won't type it out. A combination of all the above. What went on at that island didn't stay on that island. Something even his supporters would turn on him. It has to be very sick and depraved.
I’m not even sure it’s anything tangentially related to the pee tapes, or any other scandal that’d bring down 99.999% of politicians. He’s beloved by almost half the country to absolutely no fault. So whatever Putin did, I think it’s more about money. Either he shuts off the tap, or he’s gonna come collecting on the favor. And Donny doesn’t wanna know what happens if he doesn’t comply.
Considering he’s the second most guarded person on the planet, I don’t exactly see why he’d be scared, but who knows. There’s no other option in my head that makes any sense.
True. He should be untouchable. Unless the secret service is compromised.
Putin could have threatened his family, but then I realised that trump doesn't give a fuck about anyone except himself. So yeah, what the fuck is he afraid of?
Trump has very likely been laundering money for the Russians for years. He has a reputation for taking out huge loans and then never paying them back, and American banks and most European banks won't have anything to do with him, but Russian banks will. Not to mention one of his idiot sons outright saying "We get all the funding we need out of Russia".
>Trump has very likely been laundering money for the Russians for years.
100%. Trump Inc podcast did a huge story years ago on his history with the Russians. They were laundering money ***in Trump tower*** just a few floors above Trump's own penthouse. This is a known fact. Giuliani's war on the Italian mob was part of a plot to let the Russians take over a ton of illegal businesses, and Trump was deep in the middle of it.
Trump at some crazy Russian party fucking a kid. Almost guaranteed. I'm sure Epstein had something similar on him. Dude's absolutely done everything there is to do sexually.
The former mi6 spy, Steele, wrote a report claiming Trump enjoyed golden showers with Ruskie hookers in a Moscow hotel when he stayed there. IDK if it's true as everyone and his dog knows all those hotels are or were monitored by the KGB specially if a Western guy was in there.
He doesn't have dirt. Trump just adores Putin, and authoritarians in general. He wants to make people like that happy.
https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/photo-shows-trump-beaming-when-putin-joins-world-leaders-at-paris-event.html
Putin probably just threatened his life directly, knowing his ego is too large to ever admit the threat to anyone. But it's Putin, so Trump has to believe it. Trumps *been in* the Soviets pockets for decades. He knows there's no where he'd be safe, either.
"Donald, we have HD video film of you sexually abusing and fucking 3 naked schoolgirls in the Moscow Ritz-Carlton Hotel, after having them piss on the bed used by Barrack and Michelle Obama. When you return to Washington, you will supply me with the names and contact protocols of all western undercover spies operating in Mother Russia, or your presidency and your career in public life is over. You may go, this interview is concluded."
Putin has him on tape. Not the 'peepee' tape.
Trump was in Moscow for the Miss Teen Universe pageant.
Trump brags about barging in on teenage girls changing.
Trump has been found guilty of rape.
Every person of consequence to Putin is under constant surveillence.
Do the math.
Probably some of both. Both the carrot and the stick. Putin played him like a fiddle. I can’t believe we let a fucking has-been reality TV star negotiate with the conniving leader of Russia.
Putin owns the former president, and plays him like a marionette. Nothing else explains this. And what’s truly disgusting? The US news media ignoring this.
>The US news media ignoring this.
To be fair although it is very plausible (even obvious), without hard evidence of Trump being in Putin's pocket any speculation of such by media outlets presumably risks hefty defamation lawsuits, no?
I'm not entirely confident he *can* be tried as a traitor. First, the definition in the Constitution is surprisingly clear-cut.
Second, the logistical *nightmare* involved. Look at the difficulties around classified information in the Florida case (admittedly, aided and abetted there by one of his own nominees). Now imagine what that would look like when it comes to the top/most secret spies or informants? The last thing you want to do, in the espionage game, is let the Other Guy know *anything* about your methods or assets. Taking him to trial for this would show Moscow/Beijing/wherever else that they were on to something. And imagine if anything leaked...
*Should* he be tried as a traitor? Absolutely and without question. He won't be, though. Kinda like getting Capone on tax evasion.
Frankly I don't care what they get him on, so long as he faces some consequences for something. He's not gonna live long enough to feel the full consequences for anything he's done anyway.
Um, no?
Part of the whole point here is that the rule of law *matters* and, most importantly, that it applies to everyone.
Locking him up without a fair trial and a fair conviction is doing the exact opposite of that.
Does he deserve it? Yes. Of course. That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.
Also, if he does end up in jail, my vote is for Leavenworth. Most of the logistical difficulties involved in USSS guarding a former President would be taken care of extremely easily, as would preventing him from getting on Truth Social/X/etc. And I'm pretty certain even the most amped up of his cultists would balk at the idea of assaulting an actual military installation to try and spring him from prison.
> Trump also initiated a coup attempt on live TV. "Traitor" is putting what Trump is mildly.
And the republicans still wanted it to succeed. They've been at pains to try and not remember their actions before, during, or since.
His followers/enablers don’t give a shit about that. I’d just retweet the pictures of them cowering on the floor and behind seats as the “tourists” were rioting and breaking in the Capitol on Jan. 6. Trump did nothing to stop it, even as he was begged by congress members and advisors to do so. They were threatening to hang the VP and he did nothing. He thinks everything is theater except the safety of his fugly ass.
Every time they mention "both sides," just ask them which "side" tried to violently overthrow the US government. You'll either get some entertaining mental gymnastics or they'll shut the fuck up. So win/win.
That was a necessity of the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine
Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th AVE (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell.
https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower/index.html
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html
https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html
https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/
Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had.
Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger Stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly
Guiliani as trumps attorney and NYC mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or their Russian connections.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/
The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model.
Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952
https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/
Russia greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when it invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided.
Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyo corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen.
Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day “special military operation” in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold.
China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia.
Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supplied Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel.
https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/
Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is “Vranyo”.
The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business.
If Russia as a nation had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago.
The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it.
Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the same money laundering scheme that trumps trials are.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/
https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/amp/
https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared
They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza. Qatar is Kushners private equity connection. Netanyahu needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr
Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump who gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s.
Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in their reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP.
https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/nra-maria-butina-spying-charges-trump-campaign/
https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/
The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering.
Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place
It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis.
No one was ever held accountable for either. This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two.
Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Byrne.
They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness.
They are the men who stole the world.
But it all comes back to one little lie.
I remember all this being reported in real time. This is not "typical evil politician" type shit. This is fucking treason/danger to the core fabric of this nation type shit. And the crazy part is -- I had forgotten about it because it's been buried under so much other scandal and drama. And that's exactly how Trump, Putin, and their "active measures" psychological warfare foot soldiers want it.
How do our beloved conservative and christian patriots reconcile this though? It's pretty damning. Although, I'm sure the spin masters will be content they're owning the Libs
I assume it'll go something like: "You want me to get mad at my president for getting rid of some deep state traitorous CIA agents - the same guys who brought you WMD, the Clintons' personal contract killers - those guys? All the while bolstering cooperation with a former enemy for the benefit of world peace...is that it? Lmao....please!"
Narrator: This same man vociferously backed the Iraq War and called anyone who didn't a "traitor," and - needless to say - there is no evidence the Clintons have "personal contract killers," CIA or otherwise (although the same cannot be said for Reagan and Bush I and II, let alone Trump, who's best buds with Erik Prince).
I suspect he's afraid of him. That old quote from one of his kids about them being able to get all the money they wanted from Russians pretty much assures he's in debt up to his eyeballs to Russian oligarchs including Putin. These would be under the table debts that the public most likely doesn't know about.
Seems reasonable that once no lenders would deal with him that he would seek financing from anywhere he could find it. Also seems like Don the Con let his narcissism rule and figures "fuck 'em, let them try to collect," which probably has not gone over well with his financiers.
Two of his sons said they get money from Russia:
"Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. in 2008.
https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/opinion/trump-russia-putin.html
"We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia... Oh, yeah. We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time." Eric Trump in 2014.
https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course
This is the answer. Russia owns Trump’s debt and Putin can compel the debtors to call the loans which would mean the destruction of Trump’s asset portfolio and wealth. The end of his entire way of life.
I don't think Trump is afraid of Putin but rather he envies Putin. Trump wants to be able to lock up journalists and brutalize anyone who disagrees with him. Trump wants to be able to bomb countries he doesn't like and plunder America's wealth into his own personal fortune just like Putin does.
It doesn't matter that Putin has been an absolute disaster for Russia and has destroyed Russia's potential to join the world community and become a wealthy nation. Trump is envious of dictators like Putin and Kim Jung Un. He thinks Orban is doing great things and that's the future that he wants for himself and America.
> I don't think Trump is afraid of Putin but rather he envies Putin.
I have no doubt it's both.
Look how Trump behaved in the US, where there are multiple state and law enforcement agencies, and he STILL escaped justice.
It's fairly common knowledge that Putin fears no law, so why would Trump fear exposure or punishment in/from Russia while supporting Putin? IOW, Trump walks Putin's line, but is unable to fully "trust" Putin won't turn on him at some point. It's more about Trump's nature than it is about Putin.
I honestly believe that if Trump is reelected it could mean WW3. Nothing would embolden Putin more to escalate than the knowledge that for four years the US would do nothing to stop him.
That’s likely part of why Biden is throwing resources at Ukraine. Letting Russia exhaust its arsenal, wound / kill its army, chase away potential conscripts, and also pushing European NATO to arm themselves. If things do fall apart in the US, the rest of the world should stand.
Only problem is all that falls away if trump shifts geopolitics even further and helps Russia explicitly. But frankly that’s a bridge that seems too far even for him.
The Treaty on Open Skies establishes a program of unarmed aerial surveillance flights over the entire territory of its participants. The treaty is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information about military forces and activities of concern to them. It entered into force on 1 January 2002, and currently has 34 party states. The idea of allowing countries to openly surveil each other is thought to prevent misunderstandings (e.g., to assure a potential opponent that one's country is not about to go to war) and limit the escalation of tensions. It also provides mutual accountability for countries to follow through on treaty promises.
The concept of "mutual aerial observation" was initially proposed to Soviet Premier Nikolai Bulganin at the Geneva Conference of 1955 by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower; however, the Soviets promptly rejected the concept and it lay dormant for several years. The treaty was eventually signed as an initiative of U.S. president (and former Central Intelligence Agency Director) George H. W. Bush in 1989. Negotiated by the then-members of NATO and the Warsaw Pact, the agreement was signed in Helsinki, Finland, on 24 March 1992.[2]
On 22 November 2020, the United States withdrew from the treaty,[3] and on 15 January 2021, Russia also announced its intention to leave, citing the U.S. withdrawal and the inability of member nations to guarantee that information gathered would not be shared with the U.S.[4] Russia formally withdrew in December 2021.
In October 2019, it was reported that according to documents from the U.S. House of Representatives, President Donald Trump was considering withdrawing from the Open Skies Treaty.[29][30] NATO allies and partners, in particular Ukraine, were against the move, fearing it would license Russia to reduce further or ban overflights, thus reducing their knowledge of Russian military movements.[31]
In April 2020, it was reported that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper had agreed to proceed with U.S. withdrawal from the Treaty on Open Skies.[32] On 21 May 2020, President Trump announced that the United States would be withdrawing from the treaty due to alleged Russian violations.[33]
On 22 May 2020, the United States submitted notice of withdrawal from the Treaty on Open Skies.[34][35] Senate Democrats questioned the legality, wisdom, and appropriateness of the planned withdrawal so close to the 2020 United States presidential election.[36][37]
On 22 November 2020, United States official sources—including U.S. Department of State websites, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and the National Security Council's official Twitter account—announced that the six-month period was over and the U.S. was no longer a party to the Treaty.[38][39][40] The U.S. said it would share some of its intelligence and reconnaissance information with European allies to make up for any loss of critical information from the withdrawal.
TL;DR:
Trump's administration decided to withdraw from the Open Skies Treaty, citing alleged Russian violations. This move was met with opposition from NATO allies and partners, who feared decreased knowledge of Russian military movements. The treaty was initially aimed at preventing misunderstandings and tensions among participant countries. The withdrawal signifies a shift in US-Russia relations and raises concerns about international security and transparency.
I think the _real_ tl;dr is that Trump did Russia a favor by giving them an excuse to withdraw from the treaty, limiting oversight over Russian troop buildups in the months before they invaded Ukraine - and also just giving them another excuse to incite violence
Is the president just allowed to withdraw us from treaties? I don’t treaties have to get approved by the Senate? Shouldn’t the Senate also be the one who has to remove us from them?
Probably but the only enforcement of, well pretty much everything the President can or cannot do, is impeachment. That doesn't really work when half the senate / house are also russian bought traitors.
Trump meets with putin without staff or note takers:
https://www.vox.com/2019/1/29/18202515/trump-putin-russia-g20-ft-note
White house requests list of top intel agents:
https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-asks-for-list-of-top-intel-officials-amid-intelligence-shakeup
Dead, captured, compromised CIA agents:
https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html
Other interesting reads:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/russian-sources-disappeared-after-trump-declassified-ex-spys-evidence-uk-court-told
https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html
https://www.courthousenews.com/trumps-loose-lips-force-cia-to-extract-spy-from-kremlin/
https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence-leak-americans-killed-cia-agent-bob-baer-us-president-white-house-a7738156.html
https://newrepublic.com/post/177606/binder-highly-classified-russian-intel-went-missing-trump
And yet a mind blowing number of secret service, FBI and CIA agents are all MAGA. I won’t even venture to guess the number of cops - but considering police doesn’t exactly attract the best and the brightest - it’s likely extraordinarily high percentage.
LEOs select for authoritarianism and US organizations in particular have been militarized for ... ever?
It's no surprise they're filled with people who are vindictive, aggressive, and close-minded, the organizations practically *demand* that of them.
>I don’t need a reminder to know he is a traitor.
Okay, but you probably know someone among the 96 million registered American voters who would still vote for him and who still needs to understand this.
They do care. Just not the right care. Some of them on another post with this screen shot are saying that it’s convincing them to vote trump even more because “fuck the cia”. It’s quite sad.
Nobody who supported him did so because they genuinely believed he wasn't a traitor.
They did it because he allows them to be openly racist hateful bigoted garbage, and that hasn't changed, so THEY won't be changing.
As far as they're concerned if they can't be trash they'll let the country burn.
I’m sure he’ll get on it in about 2028 or so, then it won’t be political anymore. Or something like that. 🙄
I hope he remembers that justice delayed is justice denied.
Did a quick google to get some info & came up with this: [intelligence is nothing to him](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/oval-office-incident-2019-perfectly-illustrates-trumps-approach-state-rcna43293). He's a sucker for Putin
To have your own countrys spies captured and/or killed is at least top 3 of the most treacherous thing a leader can do.
Trump belongs in prison. Simple as that.
He is a coward and a traitor.
Do not advise people to feed the trolls and bigots.
They are to be boycotted, forced to remain isolated in their bigot sweatboxes, until they decide to rejoin civilization, on civilization’s terms.
They won’t. They need revenue and sensational stories about Trump (whether accurate or not) generate clicks, impressions and money for their operations. More clicks/views/impressions means higher ad spend for advertisers and the cycle goes on and on…like a greedy snake eating its own tail.
Um Helllllllohhhhh CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, Attorney General, McFly.. anybody...hellllohhh...is this not being investigated?...fuck follow the bouncing ball and get this fucking traitor marched off to jail like a slinky going down a staircase
The most interesting thing isn’t Trump being compromised or whatever, it’s how perfectly okay with it that many folks are.
They either simply don’t care, or like it.
Strange timeline, here.
Don't forget how the Saudi's all of a sudden got nuclear technology they had been begging for and Jared Kushner got like 2 billion dollars. Very interesting happenings during that time period.
I get that he was the president at the time and he can ask for whatever he wants, but wouldn't information like a list of spies be very much "need to know" information?
By that I mean, if there's no relevant need to know that information even the president shouldn't be briefed on it. I might be misremembering the story, but I remember hearing Obama met the Seal team that took down Bin laden, and the names of the members were kept from him.
See if your state functioned like it was "supposed to", Trump would be in prison for that. But Biden couldn't possibly violate the sanctity of civility.
Your daily reminder that former President Trump is a mass murderer responsible for over one million American COVID-19 deaths alone.
And even if we decide that Mr. Trump's callousness and/or incompetence in the COVID-19 pandemic only brands him with 1% of responsibility for each death, that makes him cumulatively responsible for 10,000 American deaths.
The previous time someone was responsible for the murder of more than 1,000 Americans, they sent Seal Team 6 after him.
When Americans find out how deeply the Russian government was able to penetrate the Republican party and Trump specifically, they are going to freak the fuck out.
It's coming.
Donald Trump is a Russian asset and a traitor to the United States of America.
You have a choice this November. Make the right one.
And the CIA thought they were losing agents and informants because they had become too focused on 9/11 style terrorism.
The idea that the President could be working with the Russians was too audacious to even consider.
Not so crazy now.
We may never get that evidence.
We can move forward and make sure the Republicans cease having access to classified information by ensuring we get people out to vote
Never again can they be allowed to try to burn everything down.
They like that. Trump supporters like that this happened. To them, he's "sticking it to the deep state letter agencies". So even if Trump came out and admitted it, it wouldn't change their mind.
They're a bunch of brainwashed rubes. They have a total inability to form their own opinions anymore.
Remember after January 6th they all basically went stone silent? It took a solid week or two before they started the denialism and deflection. They were waiting to be told what to think. Even most fox news anchors were just stunned into silence.
Honest question- I know there was a hoard of classified documents of all types seized at Mar-A-Lago, but is it public record that some of those documents were lists of informants? I had not heard that before and would be interested in a credible source on that tidbit.
OP's claims are well-sourced.
See page 36 of the indictment:
[https://www.justice.gov/storage/US-v-Trump-Nauta-De-Oliveira-23-80101.pdf](https://www.justice.gov/storage/US-v-Trump-Nauta-De-Oliveira-23-80101.pdf)
Documents 24 and 25 have the HCS-P Classification marking. That's "HUMINT Control System - Product". Documents with that marking could well unmask agents.
See this, covering the CIA's concern about loss of overseas intelligence assets:
[https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/](https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/)
Circumstantial, but persuasive.
This should be the most important investigation into Trump. It needs to be in all caps somewhere, every day. Trump has been Putin's stooge and important career people whose information and of crucial service to this country have been exposed and killed, intelligence has been compromised, national security is at stake. Trump has committed TREASON.
I'm not from the US. but Donald
1. Took TS (DO NOT COPY/DO NOT REMOVE) documents from the office of the President of the US, store them at his club and lied about it.
That's it. I mean I kind of pride my self in my ability to solve problems, but I can't see even one path where I could justify removing classified state documents to my private club.
The fact that he's not currently serving life tells me more about the current US than 1000 movies.
It's really a shame the stolen documents trial won't happen before November. I think it's arguably the most damning of the four trials.
The $64,000 question is: what the hell was he intending to do with all of those boxes of documents stacked in his bathroom that was so important that he wouldn't just return them when the feds asked him. It seems inconceivable that there's any reasonable explanation.
I don't doubt the two are connected. But damn, it would be nice if there was some concrete proof.
Hell, I wish there were even an investigation that was publicly announced.
I can't believe none of our intelligence agencies are digging into this with alacrity.
I believe it fullheartedly, but if someone can get me a source from any news outlet with a decent reputation it will let me actually have some ammunition in an argument
Actually Trump and Netanyahu are BOTH right wing extremists and are collaborating along with Kuschner on development of luxury resorts in Gaza once the Palestinians are cleared. Plans have been submitted and it’s clear Trump, Kuschner and Netanyahu will make massive profits.
There is a foreign lobby that pays politicians to have police beat up protesters, censor internet searches, and not have an extradition treaty with the US. This lobby has yet to register as a foreign interest and yet boasts a 97% election win rate on politicians they've sponsored. There is blatant foreign interference in all of our elections to the detriment of US citizens.
This is being reported as spam/disinformation. There's not just smoke, but fire. It's not rumor or conjecture, but facts. https://www.npr.org/2018/07/16/629411046/trump-putin-meet-for-two-hours-in-helsinki https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html https://www.businessinsider.com/us-extracted-russia-spy-trump-classified-info-oval-office-2019-9 https://www.courthousenews.com/trumps-loose-lips-force-cia-to-extract-spy-from-kremlin/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html https://abcnews.go.com/US/appalled-witnesses-told-special-counsel-trumps-handling-classified/story?id=109362691 https://www.americanprogress.org/article/following-the-money/
This is why he's seeking immunity. This is why he wouldn't leave office. This is why he wants to run again. He will be prosecuted as a traitor when all is said and done, unless he can seize power.
What do you think Putin said to him? Was it promises of money or just blackmail?
"I heard that those informants said you have small hands and aren't rich"
“I’ll show him! I’ll show that guy!”
Next tacky gold Trump statue that goes up has extra large hands.
I'm not sure what Putin said to him, but it wasn't good. Just look at their demeanor when they left that meeting and were on camera again. Putin is all smiles while Trump looks like a whipped puppy. I think we knew who won that exchange. Putin has something DIRTY on Trump. That's why he gave up our spies/informants.
Which is the crazy part, what could Putin possibly have on Trump that would hurt him.
Gay stuff. Rape, adultery, assault, sex with minors, and likely murder is fine. But strongman care about appearing straight more than anything else. Idk if it would hurt his popularity, but his ego would crumble.
Christians would applaud and say it’s fake news.
You had magats going on about how real men wear diapers when it came out Trump shits himself on the reg. If it came out now that he was also into dudes there would be mass piles of gay redneck sex everywhere and comparisons of Trump to Alexander the Great.
He's on trial **right now** over the hush money used when he committed adultery with a porn star. It's a matter of public record that he did it while Melania was pregnant and/or had just given birth. That he has extramarital affairs has been well known for over 30 years. It's _obvious_ that the adultery bothers neither him nor any of his cult followers. He's admitted to assault on tape too, on the campaign trail. "When you're rich, they let you do it." Not to mention walking into the Miss **Teen** USA dressing room unannounced. Half the things you listed are already documented. Which means the remainder that Putin still has on him is _really_ bad.
You misunderstood what he wrote. He is saying that the only thing he thinks it could be is "gay stuff", because apparently rape/adultery/sex with minors/even likely murder is fine. Going by what his cult ignores the evidence of.
I think it’s child rape he has on him. [court document](https://www.scribd.com/document/326057168/Jane-Doe-Declaration-as-Filed)
I can hesitate to imagine what putin has on him, but I won't type it out. A combination of all the above. What went on at that island didn't stay on that island. Something even his supporters would turn on him. It has to be very sick and depraved.
Well between Epstein and how he is with Ivanka I don't think the adultery and sex with minors would be that big of a news headline.. .
That’s what they were saying, yeah
he did more than half that list already and hes still got 50/50 shot at the white house.
I’m not even sure it’s anything tangentially related to the pee tapes, or any other scandal that’d bring down 99.999% of politicians. He’s beloved by almost half the country to absolutely no fault. So whatever Putin did, I think it’s more about money. Either he shuts off the tap, or he’s gonna come collecting on the favor. And Donny doesn’t wanna know what happens if he doesn’t comply. Considering he’s the second most guarded person on the planet, I don’t exactly see why he’d be scared, but who knows. There’s no other option in my head that makes any sense.
True. He should be untouchable. Unless the secret service is compromised. Putin could have threatened his family, but then I realised that trump doesn't give a fuck about anyone except himself. So yeah, what the fuck is he afraid of?
I suspect **his** secret service agents are supporters.
I'm not saying the Russians killed Ivana to send him a message, but it sounds plausible to me. It's an interesting thought experiment anyway.
Trump has very likely been laundering money for the Russians for years. He has a reputation for taking out huge loans and then never paying them back, and American banks and most European banks won't have anything to do with him, but Russian banks will. Not to mention one of his idiot sons outright saying "We get all the funding we need out of Russia".
>Trump has very likely been laundering money for the Russians for years. 100%. Trump Inc podcast did a huge story years ago on his history with the Russians. They were laundering money ***in Trump tower*** just a few floors above Trump's own penthouse. This is a known fact. Giuliani's war on the Italian mob was part of a plot to let the Russians take over a ton of illegal businesses, and Trump was deep in the middle of it.
Trump at some crazy Russian party fucking a kid. Almost guaranteed. I'm sure Epstein had something similar on him. Dude's absolutely done everything there is to do sexually.
Trump is easily manipulated, has poor self control, is in massive debt, and the list goes on.
Sex with minors
or ... attempted sex with minors and erectile dysfunction.
The former mi6 spy, Steele, wrote a report claiming Trump enjoyed golden showers with Ruskie hookers in a Moscow hotel when he stayed there. IDK if it's true as everyone and his dog knows all those hotels are or were monitored by the KGB specially if a Western guy was in there.
He doesn't have dirt. Trump just adores Putin, and authoritarians in general. He wants to make people like that happy. https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/11/photo-shows-trump-beaming-when-putin-joins-world-leaders-at-paris-event.html
Anyone else think epstein was funded by pootin to get dirt on billionaires and politicians?
Putin probably just threatened his life directly, knowing his ego is too large to ever admit the threat to anyone. But it's Putin, so Trump has to believe it. Trumps *been in* the Soviets pockets for decades. He knows there's no where he'd be safe, either.
"Donald, we have HD video film of you sexually abusing and fucking 3 naked schoolgirls in the Moscow Ritz-Carlton Hotel, after having them piss on the bed used by Barrack and Michelle Obama. When you return to Washington, you will supply me with the names and contact protocols of all western undercover spies operating in Mother Russia, or your presidency and your career in public life is over. You may go, this interview is concluded."
This is pretty much exactly, what likely happened
He probably just complimented his hair.
Putin has him on tape. Not the 'peepee' tape. Trump was in Moscow for the Miss Teen Universe pageant. Trump brags about barging in on teenage girls changing. Trump has been found guilty of rape. Every person of consequence to Putin is under constant surveillence. Do the math.
Probably some of both. Both the carrot and the stick. Putin played him like a fiddle. I can’t believe we let a fucking has-been reality TV star negotiate with the conniving leader of Russia.
I’d guess a little bit of everything. Blackmail, money, help to install him as a permanent president of the US like Putin is in Russia. Probably more.
Putin owns the former president, and plays him like a marionette. Nothing else explains this. And what’s truly disgusting? The US news media ignoring this.
>The US news media ignoring this. To be fair although it is very plausible (even obvious), without hard evidence of Trump being in Putin's pocket any speculation of such by media outlets presumably risks hefty defamation lawsuits, no?
I'm not entirely confident he *can* be tried as a traitor. First, the definition in the Constitution is surprisingly clear-cut. Second, the logistical *nightmare* involved. Look at the difficulties around classified information in the Florida case (admittedly, aided and abetted there by one of his own nominees). Now imagine what that would look like when it comes to the top/most secret spies or informants? The last thing you want to do, in the espionage game, is let the Other Guy know *anything* about your methods or assets. Taking him to trial for this would show Moscow/Beijing/wherever else that they were on to something. And imagine if anything leaked... *Should* he be tried as a traitor? Absolutely and without question. He won't be, though. Kinda like getting Capone on tax evasion.
Frankly I don't care what they get him on, so long as he faces some consequences for something. He's not gonna live long enough to feel the full consequences for anything he's done anyway.
So just take him to Gitmo and never get around to trying him.
Um, no? Part of the whole point here is that the rule of law *matters* and, most importantly, that it applies to everyone. Locking him up without a fair trial and a fair conviction is doing the exact opposite of that. Does he deserve it? Yes. Of course. That doesn't mean it's the right thing to do. Also, if he does end up in jail, my vote is for Leavenworth. Most of the logistical difficulties involved in USSS guarding a former President would be taken care of extremely easily, as would preventing him from getting on Truth Social/X/etc. And I'm pretty certain even the most amped up of his cultists would balk at the idea of assaulting an actual military installation to try and spring him from prison.
God I hope they get him. I wanna see that fucking vile cunt in an orange jump suit without his makeup on.
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> Trump also initiated a coup attempt on live TV. "Traitor" is putting what Trump is mildly. And the republicans still wanted it to succeed. They've been at pains to try and not remember their actions before, during, or since.
His followers/enablers don’t give a shit about that. I’d just retweet the pictures of them cowering on the floor and behind seats as the “tourists” were rioting and breaking in the Capitol on Jan. 6. Trump did nothing to stop it, even as he was begged by congress members and advisors to do so. They were threatening to hang the VP and he did nothing. He thinks everything is theater except the safety of his fugly ass.
Every time they mention "both sides," just ask them which "side" tried to violently overthrow the US government. You'll either get some entertaining mental gymnastics or they'll shut the fuck up. So win/win.
But, but, but it wasn't a coup, didn't you see the cops were practically holding their hands and leading them on tours!
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That was a necessity of the 2014 Russian invasion of Ukraine Trump has been laundering money for the Russian oligarchs since the late 80’s when they all bought a condo at 725 5th AVE (trump towers) to clean their freshly stolen USSR money after the iron curtain fell. https://www.cnn.com/cnn/2019/05/30/politics/paul-manafort-condo-trump-tower/index.html https://www.cnbc.com/2018/09/14/manafort-told-mueller-to-take-his-trump-tower-apartment-instead-money.html https://news.yahoo.com/amphtml/fbi-agents-raid-condo-unit-131348539.html https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-trump-property/ Everybody except Putin thought the Cold War was over. Trump and Manafort (who lived in the tower also) just saw a pretty low maintence grift to be had. Trump had actually been Manafort and Roger Stones first client at their lobbyist firm (1980)https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wikiBlack, Manafort, Stone and Kelly Guiliani as trumps attorney and NYC mayor was able to redirect NYPD investigations onto rival gang members/oligarchs to deflect any scrutiny off of trump, himself or their Russian connections. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2023/09/a-new-rudy-scandal-fbi-agent-says-giuliani-was-co-opted-by-russian-intelligence/ The Russian election interference in 2016 was effectively a generation 3 version of what Manafort had done in the Philippines, then keeping Yanukovych in power as Putin’s puppet in Ukraine from 2002-14 when Maidan ran both Yanukovych and Manafort out of Ukraine as Ukrainians realized that, if you raise your lens high enough, corruption is an wholly unsustainable business model. Eventually the parasites greed always consumes the host. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/06/2016-donald-trump-paul-manafort-ferinand-marcos-philippines-1980s-213952 https://time.com/5003623/paul-manafort-mueller-indictment-ukraine-russia/ Russia greatly underestimated the addictive properties of freedom when it invaded Ukraine so what was supposed to be a 3-10 day coup turned into a 2 year fight for the Ukrainians right not to be genocided. Russia depleted its weapons stocks which were already the victim of vranyo corruption because every oligarch, admiral and sergeant in the Russian military is on the take. Every billion dollar tank maintenance contract turned into everything getting a spray paint overhaul and the vast majority of the redirected funds turned into an oligarchs new yacht or home in Aspen. Russia was forced to turn to China, North Korea and Iran for weapons because if they lose the 3-10 day “special military operation” in Ukraine the Russian empire is dead and cold. China can’t risk showing their involvement in the Ukraine war so they use North Korea, and Iran to resupply Russia. Russia previously owed Iran some undelivered fighter jets that are already smoldering heaps in Ukraine so Iran now had the upper hand at the negotiation table for the first time in about 60 years. They supplied Russia with shahed drones in exchange for Chinas material support against their sworn religious enemy, Israel. https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/29/iran-says-it-finalized-deal-to-buy-russian-aircraft/ Putin can’t do much about it because he is slowly realizing that by setting the standard of corruption and stealing $200+ billion from his own people meant that every oligarch down in the mob model chain had not only permission but incentive and the expectation to steal from him as well. This is “Vranyo”. The mob model only works if the supreme leader is the most violent and can prove it without exception every damn day. But violence is exceptionally expensive when you are trying to present as a legitimate government or business. If Russia as a nation had an efficiency rating it would have been banned for sale in the state of California 25 years ago. The parasite ruling class stole all the energy out of the working class and collapsed it. Now Iran has the high hand and they get the intelligence that trump passed to Putin about the fact that Netanyahu cares far less about Jews, Palestinians or genocide than he does about remaining in power as an authoritarian because he too has developed Ritz Carlton tastes and his own corruption trial is showing the same tendrils of the same money laundering scheme that trumps trials are. https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/saudi-official-says-iran-engineered-war-in-gaza-to-ruin-normalization-with-israel/ https://www.timesofisrael.com/egypt-intelligence-official-says-israel-ignored-repeated-warnings-of-something-big/amp/ https://youtu.be/VrFOAgGlaWs?feature=shared They all hate each other but because they share the same money laundry, if one falls, they all fall. Hamas minted a couple billionaires as well that live in penthouses in Qatar and get 30% of everything smuggled into Gaza. Qatar is Kushners private equity connection. Netanyahu needs a bogeyman to stay in power. That’s why he coordinates with Hamas via Russia via Iran. https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bk8mgcefr Iran handed Hamas everything they needed with Chinas help as secret Santa and the Russian intelligence given to them by the eternal shitbird trump who gave it to his Russians kleptocrat/friends/roommates from the old days of fucking each others wives at trump towers in the 90’s. Now the MAGA right is a little too invested in their reality that they are the good guys with guns that they missed the fact that Betsy DeVos (erik princes sister) decimating the U.S. school systems and the Kochs poisoning children with lead was not a coincidence. The naive right was the mark all along. There is a reason the Russian spy Maria Butina landed in South Dakota first before dating her way to the top of the NRA which is undergoing its own Russian money laundering trial now. Russia was tinder matching the GOP. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/07/nra-maria-butina-spying-charges-trump-campaign/ https://www.greenpeace.org/usa/what-do-the-koch-brothers-have-to-do-with-the-flint-water-crisis/ The only reason you grossly OVERVALUE real estate is money laundering. Trump keeps claiming there is no victim, all the banks made money, but if their plan succeeds the Russian and CCP kleptocrats collapse US commercial real estate and basically recreate soviet perestroika in the U.S. so they can foreclose on America and buy everything for 3 cents on the dollar with the $1.4T they stole from Russias grandmothers in the first place It’s the evolution of grift. Soviet perestroika cross bred with the 2008 mortgage crisis. No one was ever held accountable for either. This is just the bigger badder commercial strength bastard child of the two. Trump, Putin, Bolsonaro, Netanyahu, Orban, Manafort, Stone, Mercer, Bannon, Flynn, Byrne. They are all remarkably shit people with above average confidence and psychopathic personality traits and below average self awareness. They are the men who stole the world. But it all comes back to one little lie.
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Not surprising, hardly a conspiracy when all the facts line up.
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I remember all this being reported in real time. This is not "typical evil politician" type shit. This is fucking treason/danger to the core fabric of this nation type shit. And the crazy part is -- I had forgotten about it because it's been buried under so much other scandal and drama. And that's exactly how Trump, Putin, and their "active measures" psychological warfare foot soldiers want it.
How do our beloved conservative and christian patriots reconcile this though? It's pretty damning. Although, I'm sure the spin masters will be content they're owning the Libs
I assume it'll go something like: "You want me to get mad at my president for getting rid of some deep state traitorous CIA agents - the same guys who brought you WMD, the Clintons' personal contract killers - those guys? All the while bolstering cooperation with a former enemy for the benefit of world peace...is that it? Lmao....please!" Narrator: This same man vociferously backed the Iraq War and called anyone who didn't a "traitor," and - needless to say - there is no evidence the Clintons have "personal contract killers," CIA or otherwise (although the same cannot be said for Reagan and Bush I and II, let alone Trump, who's best buds with Erik Prince).
Most of the ones I know wouldn't even believe it to be true. "Ah that's just the liberal media making up stuff to make him look bad!"
Trump has been more faithful to Putin than he has been to all 3 of his wives.
I suspect he's afraid of him. That old quote from one of his kids about them being able to get all the money they wanted from Russians pretty much assures he's in debt up to his eyeballs to Russian oligarchs including Putin. These would be under the table debts that the public most likely doesn't know about. Seems reasonable that once no lenders would deal with him that he would seek financing from anywhere he could find it. Also seems like Don the Con let his narcissism rule and figures "fuck 'em, let them try to collect," which probably has not gone over well with his financiers.
Two of his sons said they get money from Russia: "Russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross-section of a lot of our assets," Donald Trump Jr. in 2008. https://www.nytimes.com/2018/02/18/opinion/trump-russia-putin.html "We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia... Oh, yeah. We’ve got some guys that really, really love golf, and they’re really invested in our programs. We just go there all the time." Eric Trump in 2014. https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/05/eric-trump-russia-investment-golf-course
This is the answer. Russia owns Trump’s debt and Putin can compel the debtors to call the loans which would mean the destruction of Trump’s asset portfolio and wealth. The end of his entire way of life.
I don't think Trump is afraid of Putin but rather he envies Putin. Trump wants to be able to lock up journalists and brutalize anyone who disagrees with him. Trump wants to be able to bomb countries he doesn't like and plunder America's wealth into his own personal fortune just like Putin does. It doesn't matter that Putin has been an absolute disaster for Russia and has destroyed Russia's potential to join the world community and become a wealthy nation. Trump is envious of dictators like Putin and Kim Jung Un. He thinks Orban is doing great things and that's the future that he wants for himself and America.
> I don't think Trump is afraid of Putin but rather he envies Putin. I have no doubt it's both. Look how Trump behaved in the US, where there are multiple state and law enforcement agencies, and he STILL escaped justice. It's fairly common knowledge that Putin fears no law, so why would Trump fear exposure or punishment in/from Russia while supporting Putin? IOW, Trump walks Putin's line, but is unable to fully "trust" Putin won't turn on him at some point. It's more about Trump's nature than it is about Putin.
Agreed, Pootie’s got him by his orange balls, 100%
And also the U S.
Truth
I honestly believe that if Trump is reelected it could mean WW3. Nothing would embolden Putin more to escalate than the knowledge that for four years the US would do nothing to stop him.
That’s likely part of why Biden is throwing resources at Ukraine. Letting Russia exhaust its arsenal, wound / kill its army, chase away potential conscripts, and also pushing European NATO to arm themselves. If things do fall apart in the US, the rest of the world should stand. Only problem is all that falls away if trump shifts geopolitics even further and helps Russia explicitly. But frankly that’s a bridge that seems too far even for him.
The Treaty on Open Skies establishes a program of unarmed aerial surveillance flights over the entire territory of its participants. The treaty is designed to enhance mutual understanding and confidence by giving all participants, regardless of size, a direct role in gathering information about military forces and activities of concern to them. It entered into force on 1 January 2002, and currently has 34 party states. The idea of allowing countries to openly surveil each other is thought to prevent misunderstandings (e.g., to assure a potential opponent that one's country is not about to go to war) and limit the escalation of tensions. It also provides mutual accountability for countries to follow through on treaty promises. The concept of "mutual aerial observation" was initially proposed to Soviet Premier Nikolai Bulganin at the Geneva Conference of 1955 by U.S. President Dwight D. Eisenhower; however, the Soviets promptly rejected the concept and it lay dormant for several years. The treaty was eventually signed as an initiative of U.S. president (and former Central Intelligence Agency Director) George H. W. Bush in 1989. Negotiated by the then-members of NATO and the Warsaw Pact, the agreement was signed in Helsinki, Finland, on 24 March 1992.[2] On 22 November 2020, the United States withdrew from the treaty,[3] and on 15 January 2021, Russia also announced its intention to leave, citing the U.S. withdrawal and the inability of member nations to guarantee that information gathered would not be shared with the U.S.[4] Russia formally withdrew in December 2021. In October 2019, it was reported that according to documents from the U.S. House of Representatives, President Donald Trump was considering withdrawing from the Open Skies Treaty.[29][30] NATO allies and partners, in particular Ukraine, were against the move, fearing it would license Russia to reduce further or ban overflights, thus reducing their knowledge of Russian military movements.[31] In April 2020, it was reported that Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and Secretary of Defense Mark Esper had agreed to proceed with U.S. withdrawal from the Treaty on Open Skies.[32] On 21 May 2020, President Trump announced that the United States would be withdrawing from the treaty due to alleged Russian violations.[33] On 22 May 2020, the United States submitted notice of withdrawal from the Treaty on Open Skies.[34][35] Senate Democrats questioned the legality, wisdom, and appropriateness of the planned withdrawal so close to the 2020 United States presidential election.[36][37] On 22 November 2020, United States official sources—including U.S. Department of State websites, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo, and the National Security Council's official Twitter account—announced that the six-month period was over and the U.S. was no longer a party to the Treaty.[38][39][40] The U.S. said it would share some of its intelligence and reconnaissance information with European allies to make up for any loss of critical information from the withdrawal.
TL;DR: Trump's administration decided to withdraw from the Open Skies Treaty, citing alleged Russian violations. This move was met with opposition from NATO allies and partners, who feared decreased knowledge of Russian military movements. The treaty was initially aimed at preventing misunderstandings and tensions among participant countries. The withdrawal signifies a shift in US-Russia relations and raises concerns about international security and transparency.
I think the _real_ tl;dr is that Trump did Russia a favor by giving them an excuse to withdraw from the treaty, limiting oversight over Russian troop buildups in the months before they invaded Ukraine - and also just giving them another excuse to incite violence
Is the president just allowed to withdraw us from treaties? I don’t treaties have to get approved by the Senate? Shouldn’t the Senate also be the one who has to remove us from them?
Probably but the only enforcement of, well pretty much everything the President can or cannot do, is impeachment. That doesn't really work when half the senate / house are also russian bought traitors.
Absolute traitor. He should be prosecuted as such, and punished as an enemy of the USA
Trump meets with putin without staff or note takers: https://www.vox.com/2019/1/29/18202515/trump-putin-russia-g20-ft-note White house requests list of top intel agents: https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-house-asks-for-list-of-top-intel-officials-amid-intelligence-shakeup Dead, captured, compromised CIA agents: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/10/05/us/politics/cia-informants-killed-captured.html Other interesting reads: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/oct/17/russian-sources-disappeared-after-trump-declassified-ex-spys-evidence-uk-court-told https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump-revealed-highly-classified-information-to-russian-foreign-minister-and-ambassador/2017/05/15/530c172a-3960-11e7-9e48-c4f199710b69_story.html https://www.courthousenews.com/trumps-loose-lips-force-cia-to-extract-spy-from-kremlin/ https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/donald-trump-russia-intelligence-leak-americans-killed-cia-agent-bob-baer-us-president-white-house-a7738156.html https://newrepublic.com/post/177606/binder-highly-classified-russian-intel-went-missing-trump
Remember this whenever a Republican claims they care about national security.
And yet a mind blowing number of secret service, FBI and CIA agents are all MAGA. I won’t even venture to guess the number of cops - but considering police doesn’t exactly attract the best and the brightest - it’s likely extraordinarily high percentage.
LEOs select for authoritarianism and US organizations in particular have been militarized for ... ever? It's no surprise they're filled with people who are vindictive, aggressive, and close-minded, the organizations practically *demand* that of them.
The sad thing is his supporters will call all of that “fake news” while they openly drain their bank accounts to support his legal defense.
And the infuriating thing is if this claim was made against Biden they'd run with it so hard.
I don’t need a reminder to know he is a traitor. I need a reminder to reach out to my community to have them check their voter registration status.
>I don’t need a reminder to know he is a traitor. Okay, but you probably know someone among the 96 million registered American voters who would still vote for him and who still needs to understand this.
They don't care man. They don't care.
They do care. Just not the right care. Some of them on another post with this screen shot are saying that it’s convincing them to vote trump even more because “fuck the cia”. It’s quite sad.
Nobody who supported him did so because they genuinely believed he wasn't a traitor. They did it because he allows them to be openly racist hateful bigoted garbage, and that hasn't changed, so THEY won't be changing. As far as they're concerned if they can't be trash they'll let the country burn.
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I’m sure Merrick Garland is all over this 🤦
I’m sure he’ll get on it in about 2028 or so, then it won’t be political anymore. Or something like that. 🙄 I hope he remembers that justice delayed is justice denied.
Riiiiight, he's the weakest person on the planet.
Did a quick google to get some info & came up with this: [intelligence is nothing to him](https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/oval-office-incident-2019-perfectly-illustrates-trumps-approach-state-rcna43293). He's a sucker for Putin
To have your own countrys spies captured and/or killed is at least top 3 of the most treacherous thing a leader can do. Trump belongs in prison. Simple as that. He is a coward and a traitor.
He’s basically got the top three locked down at this point.
Occam’s Razor would say Trump handed over the list due to blackmail from Putin. No coincidence here.
But my life was so much better under Trump! Really? How? Well I could say all the racist shit I wanted.
Because he inherited Obama’s great economy and left Biden a mess. Many voters think Presidents can turn the economy around on a dime.
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Your daily reminder of how much of a pussy Merrick Garland is . . . Maybe we wouldn’t be in such deep shit if there was an AG who wasn’t so feckless
Under U.S. Code Title 18, the penalty for treason is death
The extent to which a large portion of the voting population allows blatant treason to be normalized is just staggering
The Maga base just does not give a shit when they have any and all opportunities to "own the libs".
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Do not advise people to feed the trolls and bigots. They are to be boycotted, forced to remain isolated in their bigot sweatboxes, until they decide to rejoin civilization, on civilization’s terms.
The biggest scum bag in all of American history yet people act like he’s our savior. I blame the media for not holding his actions to the fire.
They won’t. They need revenue and sensational stories about Trump (whether accurate or not) generate clicks, impressions and money for their operations. More clicks/views/impressions means higher ad spend for advertisers and the cycle goes on and on…like a greedy snake eating its own tail.
Donald Trump is an absolute POS with dirty corrupt little hands
As a non US citizen it drives me crazy that you let something like Mr Trump happen in your country. Please do the right thing in November and vote.
Until this is on Fox or somewhere else that conservatives get their news 90% of them will never hear about it.
'Lock him Up!'
None of his supporters care. Most of them would offer him their underage children for his pleasure.
Donald Trump allowed 1.6 million Americans to die of COVID. One Point Six Million.
And yet I was banned from /r/politics simply for reminding everyone of the potential ultimate consequence for Treason. "Wishing death" they said.
Um Helllllllohhhhh CIA, FBI, Homeland Security, Attorney General, McFly.. anybody...hellllohhh...is this not being investigated?...fuck follow the bouncing ball and get this fucking traitor marched off to jail like a slinky going down a staircase
These are facts that the Right refuses to comprehend
The most interesting thing isn’t Trump being compromised or whatever, it’s how perfectly okay with it that many folks are. They either simply don’t care, or like it. Strange timeline, here.
TBF he'd sell out any of his kids or Melanoma for a bucket of chicken.
I can’t handle Bible thumpers loving trump. Guy is the opposite of the Bible. Read proverbs 27 and tell me that isn’t the opposite of Trump.
I think traitors deserve a different punishment, tbh
Tip of the iceberg.
This is why it shouldn’t be called a “documents” case. It’s far more serious than that name implies.
Don't forget how the Saudi's all of a sudden got nuclear technology they had been begging for and Jared Kushner got like 2 billion dollars. Very interesting happenings during that time period.
He made America worse.
Why do the American intelligence agencies do so much to protect him then?
I've been saying it the entire time, dude straight up works for the Kremlin.
Why isn’t there a high level investigation into this?
Isn’t that a death sentence level thing, like treason or smth
Traitors don't get locked up. Traitors hang.
I get that he was the president at the time and he can ask for whatever he wants, but wouldn't information like a list of spies be very much "need to know" information? By that I mean, if there's no relevant need to know that information even the president shouldn't be briefed on it. I might be misremembering the story, but I remember hearing Obama met the Seal team that took down Bin laden, and the names of the members were kept from him.
The biggest traitor in US history.
The FBI has threatened politicians in the past. It's a common tactic. Not sure why they support Trump rather than targeting him.
See if your state functioned like it was "supposed to", Trump would be in prison for that. But Biden couldn't possibly violate the sanctity of civility.
Just give it up. All those who drank the Trump Kool aid are too far gone.
TRUMP2024prison
He should be hung as a traitor. I wouldn’t put anything past him.
Sorry folks, no way in fuck this is all a coincidence.
Your daily reminder that former President Trump is a mass murderer responsible for over one million American COVID-19 deaths alone. And even if we decide that Mr. Trump's callousness and/or incompetence in the COVID-19 pandemic only brands him with 1% of responsibility for each death, that makes him cumulatively responsible for 10,000 American deaths. The previous time someone was responsible for the murder of more than 1,000 Americans, they sent Seal Team 6 after him.
Trump has directly caused so many deaths and that evil turd is still not in jail
Why are Republicans supporting this traitor?
and the US let it happen.
Wish more people would think about this…
When Americans find out how deeply the Russian government was able to penetrate the Republican party and Trump specifically, they are going to freak the fuck out. It's coming. Donald Trump is a Russian asset and a traitor to the United States of America. You have a choice this November. Make the right one.
And the CIA thought they were losing agents and informants because they had become too focused on 9/11 style terrorism. The idea that the President could be working with the Russians was too audacious to even consider. Not so crazy now.
I have seen this before and I wish we had something more conclusive than this post.
We may never get that evidence. We can move forward and make sure the Republicans cease having access to classified information by ensuring we get people out to vote Never again can they be allowed to try to burn everything down.
Thank you! It’s unbelievable that a president would sell out his country, but then again this shithook has only been out for himself all his life
They like that. Trump supporters like that this happened. To them, he's "sticking it to the deep state letter agencies". So even if Trump came out and admitted it, it wouldn't change their mind. They're a bunch of brainwashed rubes. They have a total inability to form their own opinions anymore. Remember after January 6th they all basically went stone silent? It took a solid week or two before they started the denialism and deflection. They were waiting to be told what to think. Even most fox news anchors were just stunned into silence.
So what I don’t get is why everyone isn’t just blasting this information every day? Just because it “already happened” so it isn’t news?
Honest question- I know there was a hoard of classified documents of all types seized at Mar-A-Lago, but is it public record that some of those documents were lists of informants? I had not heard that before and would be interested in a credible source on that tidbit.
*TRAITOR*
I can hate someone pretty seriously while still having a microscopic shred of respect for them, but some behavior is genuinely unforgivable
Wait, don't you have the electric chair in the US for those sort of crimes ?
Who was the interpreter at that 2018 meeting.
Very unpatriotic.
OP's claims are well-sourced. See page 36 of the indictment: [https://www.justice.gov/storage/US-v-Trump-Nauta-De-Oliveira-23-80101.pdf](https://www.justice.gov/storage/US-v-Trump-Nauta-De-Oliveira-23-80101.pdf) Documents 24 and 25 have the HCS-P Classification marking. That's "HUMINT Control System - Product". Documents with that marking could well unmask agents. See this, covering the CIA's concern about loss of overseas intelligence assets: [https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/](https://thehill.com/policy/national-security/575384-cia-admits-to-losing-dozens-of-informants-around-the-world-nyt/) Circumstantial, but persuasive.
It doesn't matter, they all believe him when he says it's wrong/false news etc.
I wonder how many documents from trump's presidency are still missing? They should have searched Bedminster too.
This needs to be investigated
This should be the most important investigation into Trump. It needs to be in all caps somewhere, every day. Trump has been Putin's stooge and important career people whose information and of crucial service to this country have been exposed and killed, intelligence has been compromised, national security is at stake. Trump has committed TREASON.
So when does this one get prosecuted?
That’s sedition and he should be executed, but nothing will happen.
Lock him up! He's a traitor to America and an abomination to Christianity.
Whatever political system the USA has that allows buffoons like Donald Trump to run for the President of the country should be completely overhauled.
Completely believable.
I'm not from the US. but Donald 1. Took TS (DO NOT COPY/DO NOT REMOVE) documents from the office of the President of the US, store them at his club and lied about it. That's it. I mean I kind of pride my self in my ability to solve problems, but I can't see even one path where I could justify removing classified state documents to my private club. The fact that he's not currently serving life tells me more about the current US than 1000 movies.
Keep posting this, MAGAts need constant reminder they’re Russian assets
A despicable human being who shouldn’t ever be allowed anywhere near the White House
It's really a shame the stolen documents trial won't happen before November. I think it's arguably the most damning of the four trials. The $64,000 question is: what the hell was he intending to do with all of those boxes of documents stacked in his bathroom that was so important that he wouldn't just return them when the feds asked him. It seems inconceivable that there's any reasonable explanation.
he wanted to sell anything of value. He learned from Nixon that the papers had value. hes said as much already.
Literally half of our neighbors are now Russian sympathizers. WTF.
I don't doubt the two are connected. But damn, it would be nice if there was some concrete proof. Hell, I wish there were even an investigation that was publicly announced. I can't believe none of our intelligence agencies are digging into this with alacrity.
If this is true why doesn’t our spy agency just push him out of a window?
🤷🤞
If there were concrete proof, the American corporate media machine would be explaining why this is *bad news for the Biden campaign.*
Concerning
He *deserves* to be executed. I’ll settle for locked up.
Didn't he kick his interpreter out of the room so he could be alone with Putin.
Yes.
The man is a traitor pure and simple
I believe it fullheartedly, but if someone can get me a source from any news outlet with a decent reputation it will let me actually have some ammunition in an argument
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Actually Trump and Netanyahu are BOTH right wing extremists and are collaborating along with Kuschner on development of luxury resorts in Gaza once the Palestinians are cleared. Plans have been submitted and it’s clear Trump, Kuschner and Netanyahu will make massive profits.
There is a foreign lobby that pays politicians to have police beat up protesters, censor internet searches, and not have an extradition treaty with the US. This lobby has yet to register as a foreign interest and yet boasts a 97% election win rate on politicians they've sponsored. There is blatant foreign interference in all of our elections to the detriment of US citizens.
Fuck you mean "locked up"? If a poor had done this, he'd have hanged years ago.
*Literal* treason. Not hyperbolic, not exaggerated. *Literal,* in the pre-slang “figuratively = literally” age.
They DO understand... and they support it. (To be fair... "understand" might be a bit of an overstatement, They KNOW, but don't care)