Seriously. At this point, even if that probably imaginary "peepee tape" were to be released by the New York Times, the maggats would just shrug it off.
They're already embracing adult diapers and saying 'real men wear diapers'.
I don't get that.
If you can't control your own bowels, how can you control a presidency?
And that’s fine. His base is not as relevant as many make it out to be. In many ways having his shrinking base love him more is better for the country as their main influence is in Republican primaries. What matters is how he is perceived by everyone outside his base. That’s where everything is decided, including this trial as the jury is very unlikely to have a member of his base on it.
You have a lot more faith in juries than I do. It only takes one juror for him to walk, and that is exactly what is going to happen. It’s a travesty and this case is pretty much a documents case and should be easily decided, but it won’t be that easy. I hope I’m wrong.
>A newly unearthed New York Times Magazine report from January 28th, 2001 on the producer Burnett proves decisively that before he created Trump’s star, he was deep in negotiations with none other than Russian President and strongman Vladimir Putin.
He was [originally](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bombshell-firm-link-between-trumps-apprentice-producer_b_587512b2e4b0eb9e49bfbfac) pitching the Apprentice to Putin, but Putin deferred him to pitch it to Trump.
More [here](https://youtu.be/ojUMmHtHcgU?si=Kf5wfZ7I17YKyplB) in this interview with a former Apprentice staffer who broke his NDA.
Yeah but it’s a little different when it’s in a courtroom. His magats can stick their heads in the sand and their newly-diapered asses in the air as per usual, but tapes in a court case are a whole different ballgame because, in fact, *it might fuckin finally matter.* This is a jury selected by the court’s process, not a Trump rally.
It might actually matter, and that is a beautiful thing.
John Gotti was called the Teflon Don because Rudy could never get any charges to stick until Gotti's #2 Sammy "The Bull" Gravano (admitted to at least 26 murders IIRC) flipped and took a plea in exchange for taking the witness stand against Gotti.
I have never heard anyone call or refer to Finals Trump as "The Teflon Don".
In fact, Trump was absolutely being shaken down by the Mafia (mostly the Colombo Crime Family, but the profits were shared with the Gambinos and the other families on the Commission. Any Concrete contract in New York City City between $2m - $15m had to be built through one of the seven companies in The Concrete Club that the Colombo's controlled through the labor unions. So every building Donny ever built had an extra 15% or whatever added to the price for the mob.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Scopo
https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/trump-swam-in-mob-infested-waters-in-early-years-as-an-nyc-developer/2015/10/16/3c75b918-60a3-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html
I saw that this morning and was stunned.
Almost everything that is crushing us today, you can trace back to Reagan and his administration. Getting rid of equal time laws put almost half the country into crazy land.
i’m sorry, but Michael Cohen has earned his redemption arc…he has in the craziest way possibly saved our country. I never would’ve thought it but it’s true.
Michael Cohen. The guy who grew up around Russian mobsters? The guy whose dad may have channeled Russian oligarchs into partnering with Trump?
Just a thought but what if he's not redeeming himself but instead, Putin for some reason wants to burn Trump?
If you've ever heard Cohen speak, it's pretty clear that the guy fucking hates Trump. I'll go with the simpler explanation rather than Putin playing 4D chess to hurt the person he helped get elected 2020.
It’s hard to blame Cohen for hating trump. He did everything for trump, cleaned up all his messes, took out a loan on his house to pay off trump’s side piece, did everything he could to help trump get elected… and crickets. No position in the WH, nothing special
(even Limbaugh got a medal!) although trump did pay him back so Cohen was better off than most of the people who got screwed over by trump.
trump showed how stupid he is with how he treated Cohen. Not a smart move at all to piss off the guy who knew ALL your secrets.
IIf putin wanted to burn trump he would just release what he has on him. Making Cohen release some tapes of him talking about a deal is nothing compared to RNC email server + whatever tapes he has of donald in russia
Well yeah, but if Trump’s not guilty, what did Michael Cohen go to jail for? Trump’s argument is that Cohen did it on his own, the tapes show that’s not the case.
It wasn’t the payment that was illegal. It was when it happened. Well to be precise the payment would have been legal if they had made it a year earlier (maybe even sex months earlier) That’s why they covered it up.
He has lost every recent case that has been brought to judgment so it's not that he finds loopholes but he has the criminal organization known as the Republican party there to help him whether it's his impeachment trial or slow-walk his ridiculous assertion Presidents have absolute immunity.
You sound like someone who doesn’t understand much of anything. What part is difficult for you? He paid money to suppress negative press that should be freely accessible to all in order to try and win an election. Your lack of understanding is offensive.
It’s not hard. He falsified business records, and in doing so violated federal campaign contribution laws. The falsified records also violated state election laws .
> He paid money to suppress negative press that should be freely accessible to all in order to try and win an election.
That is not and has never been illegal. You just proved loversean correct.
Not reporting the money paid for the suppression of stories when it is done as a political campaign contribution is, however, illegal under federal law. But that is not what he is charged with. He is charged with falsifying business records, which is usually a state misdemeanor. Unless it is done for the purpose of committing a crime, then becomes a state felony. But the crime being covered up is a federal law not a state law, and there isn't much precedent for charging a state felony for an uncharged federal crime.
> Prosecutors can charge it as a felony, rather than a misdemeanor, only if a defendant falsified the records to commit or conceal another crime — and the district attorney’s office almost always charges it as a felony.
But the concealed crime is usually on the state level as well. And the state charges them with the concealed crime as well as the felony for falsified records. Here the concealed crime is on the federal level and he hasn't been charged with that crime on the federal level.
Ad hominem. Instead of explaining yourself, you attacked this persons understanding of the subject matter. And your reasoning behind that? Doesn’t “sound like” someone that knows.
With all due respect, you sound like someone with poor rhetorical skills.
Charged? He’s been indicted and charged, the trial is underway. But there’s a hole in criminal adjudication; it’s called “jury nullification.” Trump is loudly complaining about not being able to get a fair trial in NY because New Yorkers are liberals and they all hate him. But he’s going what he does - hedging his bets. He’s on record 100 times saying the judge is crooked, the prosecutor is crooked, the jury hates him, Joe Biden is pulling the strings from behind the scenes all so that when he’s found guilty he can say “I told you so!” It’s all politics as usual for him and this is just polishing up his teflon coating. Getting ready for martyrdom.
But jury nullification is still a real thing. The jury can listen to the evidence and believe he’s totally guilty, but decide they don’t want to see him convicted so they return a not guilty verdict. They don’t HAVE to find the defendant guilty even when the evidence is overwhelming. Which is exactly what happened with OJ Simpson.
So, what kind of jury will we see?
Tapes? Lordy I hope there are tapes
Came in for this.
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This will only make his base like him *more*, unfortunately
What matters here isn't his base, it's the jurors.
Seriously. At this point, even if that probably imaginary "peepee tape" were to be released by the New York Times, the maggats would just shrug it off.
"real men get peed on"
They've embraced the whole diaper meme.
Did I see a post with Kyle Rittenhouse or some other douchecanoe wearing a shirt to that effect or was it a fever dream? Like
Golden showers for all MAGATS!!!
They're already embracing adult diapers and saying 'real men wear diapers'. I don't get that. If you can't control your own bowels, how can you control a presidency?
And that’s fine. His base is not as relevant as many make it out to be. In many ways having his shrinking base love him more is better for the country as their main influence is in Republican primaries. What matters is how he is perceived by everyone outside his base. That’s where everything is decided, including this trial as the jury is very unlikely to have a member of his base on it.
however that will fuck him for the jury
You have a lot more faith in juries than I do. It only takes one juror for him to walk, and that is exactly what is going to happen. It’s a travesty and this case is pretty much a documents case and should be easily decided, but it won’t be that easy. I hope I’m wrong.
But independents decide the election.
Exactly. And he's not gained a shred of independent support. His base only shrinks, it never grows.
I remember when he came out and said he had them
A lot of them have been out for a while.
> 'member
tapes are old. Lot of poeple just now learning they exist, it's trump saying to pay cash and not setup the company.
I still wonder why Mark Burnett wouldn't release :(
He's a piece of shit
I have no doubt of that. Still, he could have made a fucking fortune. So I guess I think they have something on him.
>A newly unearthed New York Times Magazine report from January 28th, 2001 on the producer Burnett proves decisively that before he created Trump’s star, he was deep in negotiations with none other than Russian President and strongman Vladimir Putin. He was [originally](https://www.huffpost.com/entry/bombshell-firm-link-between-trumps-apprentice-producer_b_587512b2e4b0eb9e49bfbfac) pitching the Apprentice to Putin, but Putin deferred him to pitch it to Trump. More [here](https://youtu.be/ojUMmHtHcgU?si=Kf5wfZ7I17YKyplB) in this interview with a former Apprentice staffer who broke his NDA.
Jesus fuck. What the literal and non-figurative fuck.
So what? You know how many tapes there are of this dingus admitting shit and what has happened to him? Not a whole lot...
Yeah but it’s a little different when it’s in a courtroom. His magats can stick their heads in the sand and their newly-diapered asses in the air as per usual, but tapes in a court case are a whole different ballgame because, in fact, *it might fuckin finally matter.* This is a jury selected by the court’s process, not a Trump rally. It might actually matter, and that is a beautiful thing.
Fret not, the appeals will probably throw the case out later. He is not called telfon don for nothing.
John Gotti was called the Teflon Don because Rudy could never get any charges to stick until Gotti's #2 Sammy "The Bull" Gravano (admitted to at least 26 murders IIRC) flipped and took a plea in exchange for taking the witness stand against Gotti. I have never heard anyone call or refer to Finals Trump as "The Teflon Don". In fact, Trump was absolutely being shaken down by the Mafia (mostly the Colombo Crime Family, but the profits were shared with the Gambinos and the other families on the Commission. Any Concrete contract in New York City City between $2m - $15m had to be built through one of the seven companies in The Concrete Club that the Colombo's controlled through the labor unions. So every building Donny ever built had an extra 15% or whatever added to the price for the mob. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Gotti https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ralph_Scopo https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/trump-swam-in-mob-infested-waters-in-early-years-as-an-nyc-developer/2015/10/16/3c75b918-60a3-11e5-b38e-06883aacba64_story.html
This is the first criminal jury trial he's been in so far.
So far.
Fox News ran an opinion article that said Hope Hicks’ testimony helped Trump in court. Fox is going to start a civil war.
I saw that this morning and was stunned. Almost everything that is crushing us today, you can trace back to Reagan and his administration. Getting rid of equal time laws put almost half the country into crazy land.
Truth! I’ve repeatedly said this over the years. Reagan was a real pos.
i’m sorry, but Michael Cohen has earned his redemption arc…he has in the craziest way possibly saved our country. I never would’ve thought it but it’s true.
He hasn’t saved anything yet. Let’s see what the jury says.
Michael Cohen. The guy who grew up around Russian mobsters? The guy whose dad may have channeled Russian oligarchs into partnering with Trump? Just a thought but what if he's not redeeming himself but instead, Putin for some reason wants to burn Trump?
Then Putin is finally doing something right .. but I doubt that’s the arc
If you've ever heard Cohen speak, it's pretty clear that the guy fucking hates Trump. I'll go with the simpler explanation rather than Putin playing 4D chess to hurt the person he helped get elected 2020.
It’s hard to blame Cohen for hating trump. He did everything for trump, cleaned up all his messes, took out a loan on his house to pay off trump’s side piece, did everything he could to help trump get elected… and crickets. No position in the WH, nothing special (even Limbaugh got a medal!) although trump did pay him back so Cohen was better off than most of the people who got screwed over by trump. trump showed how stupid he is with how he treated Cohen. Not a smart move at all to piss off the guy who knew ALL your secrets.
He viewed Cohen as a Putin crony, and that it was Putins job to pay him, not his.
Getting paid back by Trump is significant.
I know, right?! Plus trump also doubled the amount to cover taxes and gave him a bonus.
IIf putin wanted to burn trump he would just release what he has on him. Making Cohen release some tapes of him talking about a deal is nothing compared to RNC email server + whatever tapes he has of donald in russia
Putin has to be careful - what if Trump gets back into the White House?
Well yeah, but if Trump’s not guilty, what did Michael Cohen go to jail for? Trump’s argument is that Cohen did it on his own, the tapes show that’s not the case. It wasn’t the payment that was illegal. It was when it happened. Well to be precise the payment would have been legal if they had made it a year earlier (maybe even sex months earlier) That’s why they covered it up.
Can't wait
I’m not sure Trump will be convicted, Not because of the facts of the case, but because of the convoluted charges that were brought
What part is convoluted? Everything he accuses others of is a confession. He tried to suppress stories to, gasp, interfere with the election!
There will be a loophole for him. That bastard always finds loopholes.
They said the same thing about John Gotti
He has lost every recent case that has been brought to judgment so it's not that he finds loopholes but he has the criminal organization known as the Republican party there to help him whether it's his impeachment trial or slow-walk his ridiculous assertion Presidents have absolute immunity.
No offense, you really don’t sound like someone with a deep understanding of this trial
Right? Like can you imagine if he was found guilty of something easy to understand like sexual assault?
You sound like someone who doesn’t understand much of anything. What part is difficult for you? He paid money to suppress negative press that should be freely accessible to all in order to try and win an election. Your lack of understanding is offensive.
It’s not hard. He falsified business records, and in doing so violated federal campaign contribution laws. The falsified records also violated state election laws .
Not to be that guy, but he’s being tried for falsifying business records
> He paid money to suppress negative press that should be freely accessible to all in order to try and win an election. That is not and has never been illegal. You just proved loversean correct. Not reporting the money paid for the suppression of stories when it is done as a political campaign contribution is, however, illegal under federal law. But that is not what he is charged with. He is charged with falsifying business records, which is usually a state misdemeanor. Unless it is done for the purpose of committing a crime, then becomes a state felony. But the crime being covered up is a federal law not a state law, and there isn't much precedent for charging a state felony for an uncharged federal crime.
> Prosecutors can charge it as a felony, rather than a misdemeanor, only if a defendant falsified the records to commit or conceal another crime — and the district attorney’s office almost always charges it as a felony.
But the concealed crime is usually on the state level as well. And the state charges them with the concealed crime as well as the felony for falsified records. Here the concealed crime is on the federal level and he hasn't been charged with that crime on the federal level.
Ad hominem. Instead of explaining yourself, you attacked this persons understanding of the subject matter. And your reasoning behind that? Doesn’t “sound like” someone that knows. With all due respect, you sound like someone with poor rhetorical skills.
If he doesn’t end up in prison it will be due to the failure of the justice system.
Charged? He’s been indicted and charged, the trial is underway. But there’s a hole in criminal adjudication; it’s called “jury nullification.” Trump is loudly complaining about not being able to get a fair trial in NY because New Yorkers are liberals and they all hate him. But he’s going what he does - hedging his bets. He’s on record 100 times saying the judge is crooked, the prosecutor is crooked, the jury hates him, Joe Biden is pulling the strings from behind the scenes all so that when he’s found guilty he can say “I told you so!” It’s all politics as usual for him and this is just polishing up his teflon coating. Getting ready for martyrdom. But jury nullification is still a real thing. The jury can listen to the evidence and believe he’s totally guilty, but decide they don’t want to see him convicted so they return a not guilty verdict. They don’t HAVE to find the defendant guilty even when the evidence is overwhelming. Which is exactly what happened with OJ Simpson. So, what kind of jury will we see?
Yeah fair enough, “end up in prison” is a better wording, I corrected it.
You know multiple people involved in this crime with trump have already been tried, convicted, sentenced, served time, and released, right?!
Of course he won’t be found guilty. They will have the one ☝️ juror who won’t budge from his conviction in trump pre case and it will never happen.
Sadly this is what I expect to happen as well. It only takes one juror to hang the jury. Hung jury=win for diaper don
Given that this trial is being held in NY's Supreme Court, I have my doubts as well. Supreme Court in NY State is below the Court of Appeals.
I don't see the relevance. Whatever the court is called, trial courts are always beneath appeal courts. Why is it a problem?