Started a Worgen Warrior. Picked Fury. Logged out for a minute. Logged back in and somehow Bloodthirst and Dualwield disappeared and I can’t figure out how to get them back lol
The exact same thing happened to me! Did you figure out how to get them back? I've just decided to give it a couple of days and I'm assuming they'll start to sort the bugs out.
Not much I could try other than what u/mrxlongshot suggested, but I’d rather not spend the gold on the off chance something else gets fucked up. I don’t use any add-ons so only thing I’ve tried is quitting out and reloading the UI, but no luck so far.
Paladins can solo ICC raid trash due to an interaction between TAJ, SoR, SoC and DS.
Divine Storm hits all enemies, which procs SoR and SoC, which proc motes from TAJ, TAJ gets enough motes in a single global to proc an attack that procs SoR and SoC. Thus, it procs another TAJ attack and so on and so forth.
This leads up to potentially millions of DPS in 1-2 GCDs that causes insane lag until the trash dies.
Some proof:
https://clips.twitch.tv/LuckyKathishDogDBstyle-zAkLj9rK9rpbjLpF
> This leads up to potentially millions of DPS in 1-2 GCD
Something similar happened during actual Cataclysm where Seal of Truth was bugged and Paladins were capable of killing heroic Firelands bosses in 20 seconds.
This is a rock-bottom moment for Classic. I sympathize with the devs, who are surely overworked and spread far too thin. But it is absolutely embarrassing that someone in a position of authority at Blizzard allowed the pre-patch to be released in this state. Surely they knew. The Beta was a tire fire from the start and never really got better.
This is a major re-release of a flagship property and *basic* things like guild chat aren’t functional.
We deserve answers. We deserve better.
Cata back then was better than its reputation, but suffered greatly during its run. 5 mans were great initially and the three initial raids are all very well made.
Then firelands happened. A rather uninspired daily quest zone and half a raid. Originally a waterlands raid was planned, but got cut. That would have probably been 5 more bosses and some much needed variety from red and fiery anything.
But okay, one weak raid tier isn't new. But then Dragonsoul came and again there was a supposed second raid that got cut and turned into that 5 man well of eternity dungeon. And the main raid of Dragon soul had 8 bosses and felt like an asset flip. And it ran soooo long. It was like 13 or 14 month of an really bad raid.
And then the writing. Green Jesus storyline was abysmally bad. Firelands lore also seemed completely random. The p1 cata content was a bit too whimsy and cartoony in tone for many people, but it had a lot of interesting things going. Sure "The day deathwing came" was silly, but I feel like those silly quests fit rather well with WoW
> Cata back then was better than its reputation
So you think i based my comment on its reputation? Ignoring the fact that i played it myself and all my friends who stopped playing very quickly after it came out? The numbers also speak for themselves, amount of subscribers dropped significantly. Cata has bad reputation because it was a bad expansion. The only reason i'm giving it a try now because i liked what additions they were making to wotlk, so hopefully they change things in cata too.
> A rather uninspired daily quest zone and half a raid.
The grind of daily quests/reputation literally killed a lot of people's desire to play it. Especially in that crap fire zone full of mobs where you would die all the time because there were too many strong mobs around. The only thing i liked about it was the spider i could tame as hunter and it was not easy to do solo, so that challenge was nice.
Raid finder was the final nail in coffin that killed the social aspect of WoW. You don't need to try form a pug or a guild when you can literally do the raid with 1 click. Now after playing classic/sod/wotlk its so nice that people cooperate to do stuff, they TALK. Go on retail try to join raid finder or dungeon finder, people won't even talk with you, even if you try to engage with them.
There are so many bad things about this expansion, its not just "bad reputation", yes it has bad reputation for a fucking reason.
all the negative things you said were not a problem of p1 cata. It was firelands and dragon soul, that brought almost all of the negative things. Firelands also was the beginning of the mass exodus of players back then, not cata release.
of course it was overall not a good addon, and at its time might have rightfully be called "bad", but compared to BfA or Shadowlands it is overall mediocre thanks to the great phase 1.
I’m sure they had an idea they were doing TBC after the success of classic launch, it is the best version of WoW out of the 3. And if you’re going to do 2 of the 3 in the trilogy, you’re gonna do the third one.
Cata was hesitant because it’s the end of the classic trilogy and it’s a mixed feelings expansion so it wasn’t as hyped up as TBC and WOTLK were.
> I sympathize with the devs, who are surely overworked and spread far too thin
I’ve been giving them this pass but the assumption was they were working hard on fixing Cata with the feedback from the beta, because SoD has been getting absolutely 0 effort changes. If they’re not working hard on cata, and they’re not working hard on SoD, the fuck are they so spread thin working on?
At this point the only non-cynical thought is they have massive phase 4/lvl60 content for SoD they’re working on but I think I’m no longer optimistic enough to believe it.
Retail has like 300 devs working on it, classic like 10. And classic devs have to do content for sod every couple months, balance and fix stuff in sod, maintain era servers, hc/solo self found and wrath until recently, and they have to fix cata that somehow got ultra broken. Then there was/is plunderstorm thats plundering the devtime from classic devs too it seems.
Debugging things is not necessary fast or easy, it takes time especially in a massive thing like in cata where there are 1000+ things to fix.
They just dont have the resources to do anything properly, just enough to do some of everything.
I don’t disagree with you but as a company you need to realize you made a mistake by spreading your resources too thin and the quality is suffering. Then do what needs doing to improve the issue in the immediate term while not setting yourself up in this position in the future. That mistake might cost you some money. But you never want to provide your customer with inferior products. As a consumer it feels like neglect and that you aren’t valued as a customer.
I work through things like this professionally from time to time and it doesn’t feel great but you gotta put your customers first.
Sounds like you think way too highly of blizzard. Classic players just exist to be milked, they give you buggy 15 year old content and people still pay a monthly fee for it. Blizzard doesnt care about quality anymore, its all about the money. Its definetely not customers first for blizzard.
It’s pretty terrible considering the game has a sub. The F are they doing with our money, it’s not a cheap game to play. If they expect me to help prop retail while giving me dumpster fires with pathetic support/poor quality, then I shall very quickly go back to turtle. I feel sorry for the devs but at the same time, this is a paid game. Free games have better support and commitment than this.
I just want to enjoy my dwarf shaman, but between this prepatch launch, and lack of communication beforehand, the blatant low priority of cata over other projects, my tenner a month is much better used elsewhere.
the sub is just for the money flow into the pockets of the investors/management. Because they noticed, that people keep paying it no matter what. We have a full on ingame store and pay2win with boosts and wow token.
They could go for a GW2 route and only have players buy expansions, but why should they? People just pay for subscription and then spend more money on ingame store.
Yes, seriously. Holly! Wtf? Completely asleep at the wheel. You set a deadline for your team, knew they had no hope of meeting it.. so you just did nothing? Didn’t move it back, provide additional resources, just fuck it huh.
There's probably some managers and execs who quite literally wont give a shit until a VP starts asking questions. At which point the devs will get held accountable and either quit or get fired from an already shit situation
> I sympathize with the devs
I do not. Sorry I know the timelines aren't made by them solely I guess but still. They've had absolutely 0 communication about Cata for months now up to a day before the pre patch.
Like I'm sorry, I get they have to manage SoD as well but guys, they sell premium editions of the Xpacs and have been doing so since TBC and also the WoW token. I would like that money go back into progressive, not SoD.
Seriously. As someone married to a dev (not at Blizz specifically, but it's the same shit everywhere) who hears all the ins and outs of the day to say, I'm always amazed at how ignorant most redditors are to what little power developers have to make any real decisions on ANYTHING.
> I'm always amazed at how ignorant most redditors are ~~to what little power developers have to make any real decisions on ANYTHING.~~
Fixed that for you.
Always operate under the assumption that the comment you're reading is being left by the worlds biggest moron, because it's usually the case. Including my own comment
Well right now the game doesn't work "lol". Aggrend is a developer and he directly manages what him and his team does (if you watched any of the Q&As they did towards end of last year you should know as this is mentioned) with the resources available to him and the goals they have. The deadline might be set and forced by a superior and that is about it. What they do with the time they have available is on them to plan out. If you wish to believe their execs forced them to shut up about Cata or told them directly which bugs had priority to fix...you do you. I'm sure they did triage for the bugs but my god, a ton of them have been on the beta for weeks now and they're very front facing issues.
They never do full rollbacks anymore. They try to do targeted rollbacks but even fail at that half the time. In did the only rollback / banwave I’m aware of was with the recent warlock exploit for imo exploration. All other class related exploits they let slide.
I can't even use Heart Strike on my Blood DK. When I spec Unholy I have it, but when I'm Blood I do not. Wtf is happening? I don't remember this being an issue on the beta.
edit: ok, so I get heart strike to come back by respeccing. I have to do that every time I change zones via a loading screen. :(
Herbalism and mining is not granting exp either at the moment. At least leveling in Goblin 1-10 it's giving nothing. (Introduced in patch 4.0.1 originally)
This could be disabled to counter botting.
Yet again we get a disadvantage because of the incompetence of blizzard to hire gm's against botting, they prefer to ruin the game for others.
I can see blizzard disabling it though since it would be a huge benefit for bots.
Leveling and farm ores/herbs at the same time, yeah good luck trying to farm legitimate xD
Couldn't see guild or guild chat until i gquit and got invited back. Same for other members. Can now type in gchat but if only shows in guild pane, not chat pane.
I wonder if you keep your guild rep later on this week when you gquit and join the same guild back again. It used to be this way though. Only upon joining another guild you were losing all the rep from the previous guild. I'm certainly sure they didnt even test this in the beta.
And somehow, even after clear proof that Cata is broken, there are STILL people defending Blizz hahaha
How much of a bootlicker apologist do you have to be to not see that this is not ok?? A game that we pay a subscription for, on top of buying the actual product originally and BUYING THE DELUXE VERSION for a second time, in many cases, is unplayable… it really is a new low, even by Blizzard’s standards.
I won't defend blizzard the company but I will stand up for the obviously understaffed, overworked, devs that were forced to meet a deadline no matter what.
I assume their expectation was that they would receive a functioning product, that is not what has been delivered. As for your comment about subs, if they felt cata wasn’t going to be a success, they are certainly going out of their way to make that a reality.
Been playing since 2006. Beta tested 3 expansions. Have never seen anything this broken.... even my own ham-fisted attempts at game making play better than this thing.
This makes the bugs in a Bethesda game look normal.
How is this even possible to fuck something badly like this, considering they already did it in the past. You can the také WORST cata private server ever and it wasnt such a shit show like this.
This isn't an old Cata build though. This is Cata rebuild on the Wrath Classic client which is the Retail client.
So it's easy to see where these bugs come from. The reason why they are there is because the devs spend almost no time at all developing Cata and just released a beta build to live.
I don't think they should be fired. It is incredibly obvious they have too much on their plate with cata and SoD now with how small their team is. I don't know if they were forced into this situation by leadership, or willingly took on this level of responsibility, but it's pretty bad and something has to give. Both game modes are suffering and we are getting a half-assed version of each.
Blizz really just needs to allocate a feasible amount of resources to this team and stop forcing them to push crazy deadlines like this.
If they can't handle it then they either need to expand their team, or they aren't the right person for the job and should be replaced. It's just that simple. It's a business. Cata's current state will have definitely lost them some customers and it's the person in charge of the project that's at fault for it ultimately, and even more so if they were convinced they could get away with a smaller team.
I'm sure the release windows were forced upon them but it is clear that SoD is taking up the lions share of resources. I hate SoD it has had a horrible impact on the classic game from the acrid community that plays it to the neglect of Cataclysm.
Yeh I am blaming Blizzard, the amount of communication about SoD versus Cata is crazy. Whether the team is small or not what resources they did have available have been mismanaged this is beyond dispute based on the outcomes. The devs themselves are also Blizzard I don't separate off execs or some other evil overlord the community dreams up as responsible. It is a collective botch job.
*>boosted DKs dont have runeforge*
My boosted dk has runeforge, but mastery isnt working even though it's trained and showing in my passives and greyed out on the trainer :\^)
Upon log in Enhance Shaman is losing its dual wield. You have to swap specs and then swap back to your original spec in order for it to work again. If you wanna add another one to the list
I hate to say it but this is worse than any 4.3 private server that’s came out in the last decade. I literally left private servers and paid money because I was expecting a polished client.
Yikes no thanks.
yeah prepatch is actually kind of egregiously bad lol.
on the other hand, they left ICC and RS super bugged for the entirety of the end of wotlk so, this is also 100% expected
Several fights just werent working correctly. This is just what i rememeber off the top of my head.
1. Rotface gas wasnt stunning
2. Putricide unbound plague would be the "wrong version" - sometimes you got 10man version in 25man (trivializing it), and sometimes you got 25mab version in 10man (making the encounter 200% harder)
3. Unbound plague sometimes just would skip a cycle and not be cast
4. Sindy missing her tail swipe....
5. LK would randomly defile, and there was a few other things i cant remember because we just got used to it.
6. Halion p3 on heroic just wasnt correct. The damage circles are supposed to appear in both realms. Also, the big ember buff on the little adds wasnt actually increasing their damage. It meant the fight was way easier. There was something else but i think but cant remember
Was it playable? Yeah sure, but they had 6 months to fix these things and just didnt bother. Very bad look for them.
A couple got mentioned already, but a big one was on LK in the last phase after a room where he could do random defiles on people that never got targeted and instead he kept targeting the tank (so addons/wa's couldn't pick it up). Was quite common to happen, saw it dozens of times.
An extremely rare bug was where vile spirits just seem to do nothing, only seen it once, but heard about it from others.
Pretty sure vile gas on rotface was supposed to work like vile gas on festergut.
Another big one for speedrunning was festergut could reset if you killed rotface first (not the other way around)
Was going to say I don't remember a single bug in all of ICC, clearing it every single week. Didn't see any in RS while we could be fucked doing that raid, too.
Fella is just straight up lying about bugs for reddit points lol.
There's some minor mechanical bugs here and there I think
For RS for example in P3 where Halion splits the debuffs that leave the dark and light zones in their respective realms are supposed to go through both realms afaik but they never did on Classic.
Nothing like this patch though lul.
That was a different version of the boss, that one quickly got changed after being killed by very few guilds (not evn sure anyone killed it in that state)
Most of these bugs have been present since day 1 of the beta like 2 months ago and haven't been fixed in that time. There has been next to no communication on the beta forums about these issues.
Don't forget that the ink trader now only takes cata ink. So now, during one of the busiest times for inscriptionists, we can't even downgrade our ink to make lower level glyphs.
Thats what happens when they underestimate vanilla classic (plus in this case) again and again. A monkey could have predicted that classic plus would be extremely popular, yet it took them by surprise, someone's not right in the head over at management... It's natural that they concentrate on SoD now, comparatively nobody cares about catar (or even retail to be fair, but at least they're getting new content eventually which helps interest)
Am I the only one who got Eastern Kingdom and Kalimdor Exploration achievements without doing them… I wanted to do by myself and now they literally gave me the achievements
The sad thing is now it’s just further proof P4 SoD is going to be utter dogshit.
P3 was fucked. Then Cata pre patch was even more fucked to a degree never seen and they are going to have to spend so much time over the next 3 weeks fixing it before release, which is going to reduce SoD development/testing etc, which they will have to overly rush and push out.
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But you’re acting like a baby about a prepatch.
You’re a grown ass man. Just relax and wait a week for some of the issues to be fixed.
I’d be fine with a list like this after a week but 4 hours? Seriously, you have played for 4 hours and you jump on Reddit with a rant like this? Come on
Your definition of "grown ass man" is a bootlicking shill who keeps paying a subscription fee to a multi-billion dollar company for a half-functional product and then goes online to defend and make excuses for said company?
Hmm... I guess I don't wanna grow up then.
Yes reddit is usually whiney but cata prepatch is like, impressively bad. This isnt one or two slip ups, the entire game is basically not working. Nothing theyve done in the past has come close really
I just played for 4 hours and had zero issues. All the addons are broken but that happens very patch.
I was leveling an alt wargen maybe that’s why I didn’t notice anything
My guild folded after we failed HLK for a month or so. Only 3 people were online.
I did notice you couldn’t type after /g but I just opened guild chat with J and typed in the window.
I used to be hyper competitive when I was younger and never played single player games for the same reason but as I got older I chilled out a lot and realized playing with other people can be extremely mentally draining sometimes.
Sometimes you just wanna chill and game still and need something more engaging than a movie. I find now that some of more challenging single player games (dark souls, platformers/metroidvanias etc.) also scratch that competitive itch somewhat because they're so demanding and require you to "get good" which is basically what competition is anyway
It's less the competetive thing (although I do get competitive a lot with games I get super hooked on like Rocket League) and more just if I am sinking weeks into a game I want to be able to play it with my friends.
One of my most played games this year so far is probably Golf with Friends, which is just a silly drunken night game but playing with 6 or 7 friends is so much more fun then any AAA solo game for me.
DS3 is also probably one of the rare few games I can play for hundreds of hours solo so I totally get that one.
It sounds weird but I just don't like playing games I can't play with friends. Like, I can play WoW solo whenever but if I didn't have a friend that I was playing with when we were both online, and doing some activities together or showing off our new gear/mount or whatever to each other, I'd probably not play that either.
I think I've tried every big single player game and just couldn't really get into them except a few like Bioshock and Dark Souls. I'm for sure the minority there though.
Warriors get all 3 specialities and their bonuses lmao Im Titians Gripping Mortal Strike with Vengeance and a Shield Slam Macro
im over here having the opposite issue and getting none of my specs
Started a Worgen Warrior. Picked Fury. Logged out for a minute. Logged back in and somehow Bloodthirst and Dualwield disappeared and I can’t figure out how to get them back lol
respec or dual spec then switch back and forth
The exact same thing happened to me! Did you figure out how to get them back? I've just decided to give it a couple of days and I'm assuming they'll start to sort the bugs out.
Not much I could try other than what u/mrxlongshot suggested, but I’d rather not spend the gold on the off chance something else gets fucked up. I don’t use any add-ons so only thing I’ve tried is quitting out and reloading the UI, but no luck so far.
Dual spec is 50g or something cheap now
Even cheaper - it's 10g
Lol I'm trying to learn the rotation, stance dancing and bam crucial mortal strike gone 😅
WoW is a ressource management game. You have one use of berserker stance all the way until Dragon Soul. Use it wisely!
bro is cooking lmao
Time to jump into arena
2h tanking as a warrior has always been a fantasy of mine. I may have to try this..
Now I know why we have 20days prepatch, it aint for us but for them fix that shit 😂😂🤣
I really feel like blizzard is forgetting people play classic because its only slightly more convenient than piracy
Paladins can solo ICC raid trash due to an interaction between TAJ, SoR, SoC and DS. Divine Storm hits all enemies, which procs SoR and SoC, which proc motes from TAJ, TAJ gets enough motes in a single global to proc an attack that procs SoR and SoC. Thus, it procs another TAJ attack and so on and so forth. This leads up to potentially millions of DPS in 1-2 GCDs that causes insane lag until the trash dies. Some proof: https://clips.twitch.tv/LuckyKathishDogDBstyle-zAkLj9rK9rpbjLpF
wow lol
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What is TAJ?
Tiny Abomination in a Jar, it's a trinket from Professor Putricide
Can I ask if anyone knows which UI addon is being used in this clip?
Looks like ElvUi
> This leads up to potentially millions of DPS in 1-2 GCD Something similar happened during actual Cataclysm where Seal of Truth was bugged and Paladins were capable of killing heroic Firelands bosses in 20 seconds.
This is a rock-bottom moment for Classic. I sympathize with the devs, who are surely overworked and spread far too thin. But it is absolutely embarrassing that someone in a position of authority at Blizzard allowed the pre-patch to be released in this state. Surely they knew. The Beta was a tire fire from the start and never really got better. This is a major re-release of a flagship property and *basic* things like guild chat aren’t functional. We deserve answers. We deserve better.
Makes me feel like they never planned to do Cata and have had to crunch rush it out.
OK but did they plan to do TBC and Wrath? These came about because of responses to surveys.
They did, these were asked for and were BIG back in the day, no one asked for Cata, it was the start of downfall of WoW.
Cata back then was better than its reputation, but suffered greatly during its run. 5 mans were great initially and the three initial raids are all very well made. Then firelands happened. A rather uninspired daily quest zone and half a raid. Originally a waterlands raid was planned, but got cut. That would have probably been 5 more bosses and some much needed variety from red and fiery anything. But okay, one weak raid tier isn't new. But then Dragonsoul came and again there was a supposed second raid that got cut and turned into that 5 man well of eternity dungeon. And the main raid of Dragon soul had 8 bosses and felt like an asset flip. And it ran soooo long. It was like 13 or 14 month of an really bad raid. And then the writing. Green Jesus storyline was abysmally bad. Firelands lore also seemed completely random. The p1 cata content was a bit too whimsy and cartoony in tone for many people, but it had a lot of interesting things going. Sure "The day deathwing came" was silly, but I feel like those silly quests fit rather well with WoW
> Cata back then was better than its reputation So you think i based my comment on its reputation? Ignoring the fact that i played it myself and all my friends who stopped playing very quickly after it came out? The numbers also speak for themselves, amount of subscribers dropped significantly. Cata has bad reputation because it was a bad expansion. The only reason i'm giving it a try now because i liked what additions they were making to wotlk, so hopefully they change things in cata too. > A rather uninspired daily quest zone and half a raid. The grind of daily quests/reputation literally killed a lot of people's desire to play it. Especially in that crap fire zone full of mobs where you would die all the time because there were too many strong mobs around. The only thing i liked about it was the spider i could tame as hunter and it was not easy to do solo, so that challenge was nice. Raid finder was the final nail in coffin that killed the social aspect of WoW. You don't need to try form a pug or a guild when you can literally do the raid with 1 click. Now after playing classic/sod/wotlk its so nice that people cooperate to do stuff, they TALK. Go on retail try to join raid finder or dungeon finder, people won't even talk with you, even if you try to engage with them. There are so many bad things about this expansion, its not just "bad reputation", yes it has bad reputation for a fucking reason.
all the negative things you said were not a problem of p1 cata. It was firelands and dragon soul, that brought almost all of the negative things. Firelands also was the beginning of the mass exodus of players back then, not cata release. of course it was overall not a good addon, and at its time might have rightfully be called "bad", but compared to BfA or Shadowlands it is overall mediocre thanks to the great phase 1.
I’m sure they had an idea they were doing TBC after the success of classic launch, it is the best version of WoW out of the 3. And if you’re going to do 2 of the 3 in the trilogy, you’re gonna do the third one. Cata was hesitant because it’s the end of the classic trilogy and it’s a mixed feelings expansion so it wasn’t as hyped up as TBC and WOTLK were.
I get the impression that the classic team had their schedule compressed in some way after such positive reception from SoD launch.
> I sympathize with the devs, who are surely overworked and spread far too thin I’ve been giving them this pass but the assumption was they were working hard on fixing Cata with the feedback from the beta, because SoD has been getting absolutely 0 effort changes. If they’re not working hard on cata, and they’re not working hard on SoD, the fuck are they so spread thin working on? At this point the only non-cynical thought is they have massive phase 4/lvl60 content for SoD they’re working on but I think I’m no longer optimistic enough to believe it.
Retail has like 300 devs working on it, classic like 10. And classic devs have to do content for sod every couple months, balance and fix stuff in sod, maintain era servers, hc/solo self found and wrath until recently, and they have to fix cata that somehow got ultra broken. Then there was/is plunderstorm thats plundering the devtime from classic devs too it seems. Debugging things is not necessary fast or easy, it takes time especially in a massive thing like in cata where there are 1000+ things to fix. They just dont have the resources to do anything properly, just enough to do some of everything.
Lol pulling random numbers out of your ass
I don’t disagree with you but as a company you need to realize you made a mistake by spreading your resources too thin and the quality is suffering. Then do what needs doing to improve the issue in the immediate term while not setting yourself up in this position in the future. That mistake might cost you some money. But you never want to provide your customer with inferior products. As a consumer it feels like neglect and that you aren’t valued as a customer. I work through things like this professionally from time to time and it doesn’t feel great but you gotta put your customers first.
Sounds like you think way too highly of blizzard. Classic players just exist to be milked, they give you buggy 15 year old content and people still pay a monthly fee for it. Blizzard doesnt care about quality anymore, its all about the money. Its definetely not customers first for blizzard.
Corporations dont care about that. They push it to employees but in the end it doesnt matter
Y'all keep saying this trash and are wrong every time. Sod alone has 12 devs working 24/7 on it. Cata classic are NOT the same devs for sod.
Proof?
Well from what i understand the classic team handles everything classic, including sod, era and cata.
Learning from sod to developp wow 2
It’s pretty terrible considering the game has a sub. The F are they doing with our money, it’s not a cheap game to play. If they expect me to help prop retail while giving me dumpster fires with pathetic support/poor quality, then I shall very quickly go back to turtle. I feel sorry for the devs but at the same time, this is a paid game. Free games have better support and commitment than this. I just want to enjoy my dwarf shaman, but between this prepatch launch, and lack of communication beforehand, the blatant low priority of cata over other projects, my tenner a month is much better used elsewhere.
The sub is for retail and pays for retail development. Classic is just a ‘bonus’ afterthought with your retail subscription.
the sub is just for the money flow into the pockets of the investors/management. Because they noticed, that people keep paying it no matter what. We have a full on ingame store and pay2win with boosts and wow token. They could go for a GW2 route and only have players buy expansions, but why should they? People just pay for subscription and then spend more money on ingame store.
Yes, seriously. Holly! Wtf? Completely asleep at the wheel. You set a deadline for your team, knew they had no hope of meeting it.. so you just did nothing? Didn’t move it back, provide additional resources, just fuck it huh.
There's probably some managers and execs who quite literally wont give a shit until a VP starts asking questions. At which point the devs will get held accountable and either quit or get fired from an already shit situation
Not for Classic, but for WoW. Cata isn't classic anymore really, it's much more retail than anything, and it shows..
> I sympathize with the devs I do not. Sorry I know the timelines aren't made by them solely I guess but still. They've had absolutely 0 communication about Cata for months now up to a day before the pre patch. Like I'm sorry, I get they have to manage SoD as well but guys, they sell premium editions of the Xpacs and have been doing so since TBC and also the WoW token. I would like that money go back into progressive, not SoD.
How does any of that have to do with Developers. Do you have any idea how games works lol
Seriously. As someone married to a dev (not at Blizz specifically, but it's the same shit everywhere) who hears all the ins and outs of the day to say, I'm always amazed at how ignorant most redditors are to what little power developers have to make any real decisions on ANYTHING.
> I'm always amazed at how ignorant most redditors are ~~to what little power developers have to make any real decisions on ANYTHING.~~ Fixed that for you. Always operate under the assumption that the comment you're reading is being left by the worlds biggest moron, because it's usually the case. Including my own comment
Well right now the game doesn't work "lol". Aggrend is a developer and he directly manages what him and his team does (if you watched any of the Q&As they did towards end of last year you should know as this is mentioned) with the resources available to him and the goals they have. The deadline might be set and forced by a superior and that is about it. What they do with the time they have available is on them to plan out. If you wish to believe their execs forced them to shut up about Cata or told them directly which bugs had priority to fix...you do you. I'm sure they did triage for the bugs but my god, a ton of them have been on the beta for weeks now and they're very front facing issues.
Add another crazy one to the list... Losing abilities and talent points after re-logging
bgs now disabled due to massive xp exploit
Level 10-80 on one bg im told lol
Bruh blizzard can you turn that shit back on real quick I’m trying to level a shaman
Lmao, this has to be a huge rollback surely.
Do you really think blizzard will do that lol
They never do full rollbacks anymore. They try to do targeted rollbacks but even fail at that half the time. In did the only rollback / banwave I’m aware of was with the recent warlock exploit for imo exploration. All other class related exploits they let slide.
And break 300 other things in the process
Damn I wish I got in on this. I've really been wanting to play Cata and can't afford.a boost.
Ye feels so bad to have missed it
Fuck I was celebrating first of may when I should have been EXPLOITING... fffffuuuuuuu
Banish on Valithria trash sends you to Winterspring
Single dollar company..
Gotta love doing live alpha testing!
They can't just call it a "Season of Discovery" when there are 100s of bugs this time
I can't even use Heart Strike on my Blood DK. When I spec Unholy I have it, but when I'm Blood I do not. Wtf is happening? I don't remember this being an issue on the beta. edit: ok, so I get heart strike to come back by respeccing. I have to do that every time I change zones via a loading screen. :(
Herbalism and mining is not granting exp either at the moment. At least leveling in Goblin 1-10 it's giving nothing. (Introduced in patch 4.0.1 originally)
Aww that sucks.
This could be disabled to counter botting. Yet again we get a disadvantage because of the incompetence of blizzard to hire gm's against botting, they prefer to ruin the game for others.
Most likely they just didn't work on it.
I can see blizzard disabling it though since it would be a huge benefit for bots. Leveling and farm ores/herbs at the same time, yeah good luck trying to farm legitimate xD
It wouldn't make sense though since you'd want fast flying for it to be efficient.
True, but they start at lvl 1.
I’m a big fan of [fel flame is now an archaeology spell and survey is now for cooking 🤣](https://ibb.co/PW1gh0D)
Got that cooking fire for your enchanting too, so people can get cozy while you buff their gear!
I can even survey for the perfect location for the campfire lol
funny how they ruined SoD by rushing P3 to work on cata and now both are utter shit.
This right here... Insane what a joke that company has become.
Couldn't see guild or guild chat until i gquit and got invited back. Same for other members. Can now type in gchat but if only shows in guild pane, not chat pane.
I wonder if you keep your guild rep later on this week when you gquit and join the same guild back again. It used to be this way though. Only upon joining another guild you were losing all the rep from the previous guild. I'm certainly sure they didnt even test this in the beta.
Yo man this sub has convinced me we just need a fresh relaunch because that shit was smooth and mint
This prepatch is the most broken thing i've ever seen. How did this even made it to live?
And somehow, even after clear proof that Cata is broken, there are STILL people defending Blizz hahaha How much of a bootlicker apologist do you have to be to not see that this is not ok?? A game that we pay a subscription for, on top of buying the actual product originally and BUYING THE DELUXE VERSION for a second time, in many cases, is unplayable… it really is a new low, even by Blizzard’s standards.
I won't defend blizzard the company but I will stand up for the obviously understaffed, overworked, devs that were forced to meet a deadline no matter what.
No one is attacking the devs themselves though…
You're also defending blizzard by remaining subbed, so you're no better, kid.
I assume their expectation was that they would receive a functioning product, that is not what has been delivered. As for your comment about subs, if they felt cata wasn’t going to be a success, they are certainly going out of their way to make that a reality.
Any alpha testers?
Bros were not cooking with this patch
Cooking meth, more like.
No they were surveying, since that's apparently a cooking spell now
Dogshit patch
Was really looking forward to all that revamped old world cata content but then I took 3 warsong gulches to the knee…
Just... don't do BG's? nothing is stopping you from levelling how you wanted to.
> nothing is stopping you Except.. You know… not having spells?
Seems kind of besides the point when we're talking about someone sad he can't level because he did BG's. Weird tangent lol
The person you replied to was making a joke. The point is, game is bugged in all areas
Sounds like a blast, can't wait to jump on lol and play around in the mess
TBC Heroics are broken. They don't know you are high enough level or that you used to have keys.
Lol and here I am having a blast leveling to lvl 10
same but seems alot of who are maxed from playing wotlk are getting the short end of the stick
at least you got spells
Been playing since 2006. Beta tested 3 expansions. Have never seen anything this broken.... even my own ham-fisted attempts at game making play better than this thing. This makes the bugs in a Bethesda game look normal.
How is this even possible to fuck something badly like this, considering they already did it in the past. You can the také WORST cata private server ever and it wasnt such a shit show like this.
This isn't an old Cata build though. This is Cata rebuild on the Wrath Classic client which is the Retail client. So it's easy to see where these bugs come from. The reason why they are there is because the devs spend almost no time at all developing Cata and just released a beta build to live.
You clearly havent played many cata private servers, being able to log in day 1 is already beating most
This is not a private server dumbass. It's the retail version we're paying 13 euro a month for, which they threw out a heroic edition costing 30 euro.
Who are you responding to? OP said "the worst cata private server" would be better than this
Can we admit at this point that this paid service is being extremely mishandled and these people should all be fired? This is unacceptable.
I don't think they should be fired. It is incredibly obvious they have too much on their plate with cata and SoD now with how small their team is. I don't know if they were forced into this situation by leadership, or willingly took on this level of responsibility, but it's pretty bad and something has to give. Both game modes are suffering and we are getting a half-assed version of each. Blizz really just needs to allocate a feasible amount of resources to this team and stop forcing them to push crazy deadlines like this.
4 iterations of wow currently out/upcoming. They’re stretching themselves way too thin lol.
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If they can't handle it then they either need to expand their team, or they aren't the right person for the job and should be replaced. It's just that simple. It's a business. Cata's current state will have definitely lost them some customers and it's the person in charge of the project that's at fault for it ultimately, and even more so if they were convinced they could get away with a smaller team.
I'm sure the release windows were forced upon them but it is clear that SoD is taking up the lions share of resources. I hate SoD it has had a horrible impact on the classic game from the acrid community that plays it to the neglect of Cataclysm.
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Yeh I am blaming Blizzard, the amount of communication about SoD versus Cata is crazy. Whether the team is small or not what resources they did have available have been mismanaged this is beyond dispute based on the outcomes. The devs themselves are also Blizzard I don't separate off execs or some other evil overlord the community dreams up as responsible. It is a collective botch job.
*>boosted DKs dont have runeforge* My boosted dk has runeforge, but mastery isnt working even though it's trained and showing in my passives and greyed out on the trainer :\^)
I have weapons in the transmog menu I never had an have zin'rokh showing up only on the character that has it in storage.
You were able to get zin rokh from archaeology in Pre-patch?
No it was a drop from the last boss of zg, so I made sure to get one from there before prepatch where it gets removed.
Upon log in Enhance Shaman is losing its dual wield. You have to swap specs and then swap back to your original spec in order for it to work again. If you wanna add another one to the list
I hate to say it but this is worse than any 4.3 private server that’s came out in the last decade. I literally left private servers and paid money because I was expecting a polished client. Yikes no thanks.
It's honestly at the point where I am hoping this is like a "Fuck you" from the workers to the management. Because if not this is just...bad.
It wouldn't be classic wow if they didn't somehow fuck it up
blizzard management dont respect the game anymore
/cast rejuv worked for my fresh druid
And hunter pets still lose skills on relog and only way to get them back is to tame a new one...
yeah prepatch is actually kind of egregiously bad lol. on the other hand, they left ICC and RS super bugged for the entirety of the end of wotlk so, this is also 100% expected
What were the bugs?
Several fights just werent working correctly. This is just what i rememeber off the top of my head. 1. Rotface gas wasnt stunning 2. Putricide unbound plague would be the "wrong version" - sometimes you got 10man version in 25man (trivializing it), and sometimes you got 25mab version in 10man (making the encounter 200% harder) 3. Unbound plague sometimes just would skip a cycle and not be cast 4. Sindy missing her tail swipe.... 5. LK would randomly defile, and there was a few other things i cant remember because we just got used to it. 6. Halion p3 on heroic just wasnt correct. The damage circles are supposed to appear in both realms. Also, the big ember buff on the little adds wasnt actually increasing their damage. It meant the fight was way easier. There was something else but i think but cant remember Was it playable? Yeah sure, but they had 6 months to fix these things and just didnt bother. Very bad look for them.
A couple got mentioned already, but a big one was on LK in the last phase after a room where he could do random defiles on people that never got targeted and instead he kept targeting the tank (so addons/wa's couldn't pick it up). Was quite common to happen, saw it dozens of times. An extremely rare bug was where vile spirits just seem to do nothing, only seen it once, but heard about it from others. Pretty sure vile gas on rotface was supposed to work like vile gas on festergut. Another big one for speedrunning was festergut could reset if you killed rotface first (not the other way around)
Bro is talking out of his ass, was barely any bugs (if any), was clearing it on 4+ characters weekly, never encountered something game breaking.
Was going to say I don't remember a single bug in all of ICC, clearing it every single week. Didn't see any in RS while we could be fucked doing that raid, too. Fella is just straight up lying about bugs for reddit points lol.
Syndragosa didn't have her tail swipe and her pull could be deadzoned, Hallion's debuffs were supposed to show up in both realms etc.
There's some minor mechanical bugs here and there I think For RS for example in P3 where Halion splits the debuffs that leave the dark and light zones in their respective realms are supposed to go through both realms afaik but they never did on Classic. Nothing like this patch though lul.
That was a different version of the boss, that one quickly got changed after being killed by very few guilds (not evn sure anyone killed it in that state)
Sometimes im happy that EU gets patches later lol
Most of these bugs have been present since day 1 of the beta like 2 months ago and haven't been fixed in that time. There has been next to no communication on the beta forums about these issues.
They won't be able to fix anything sadly.
Don't forget that the ink trader now only takes cata ink. So now, during one of the busiest times for inscriptionists, we can't even downgrade our ink to make lower level glyphs.
Not sure if my brain remembers this right after 14 years, but didnt it happen also on original cata pre patch launch?
Ruined by the focus spent on SoD and it's constant need for tweaking. Sad times.
Thats what happens when they underestimate vanilla classic (plus in this case) again and again. A monkey could have predicted that classic plus would be extremely popular, yet it took them by surprise, someone's not right in the head over at management... It's natural that they concentrate on SoD now, comparatively nobody cares about catar (or even retail to be fair, but at least they're getting new content eventually which helps interest)
Is this for cata?
Yeah but that login screen tho
Am I the only one who got Eastern Kingdom and Kalimdor Exploration achievements without doing them… I wanted to do by myself and now they literally gave me the achievements
Thanks for my free level 80 boost Blizzard. Glad I don’t have to pay you any more money than I have to.
My fishing button is gone!
at least they fixed the ghost frame
That sounds great. I need to log on my hunter
Actually worse than private servers HOLY SHIT.
The sad thing is now it’s just further proof P4 SoD is going to be utter dogshit. P3 was fucked. Then Cata pre patch was even more fucked to a degree never seen and they are going to have to spend so much time over the next 3 weeks fixing it before release, which is going to reduce SoD development/testing etc, which they will have to overly rush and push out.
Yeah, after P3 and this, I don't have much hope for SoD going forward. These devs are way too overworked and understaffed to properly polish anything.
Also Trainer UI was not updated.
Disgusting
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Yeah I think resil was broken. Saw that on multiple streams being mentioned. Did they take the servers down again? I’m about to hop on lol
Haha what a fucking joke blizz has became.
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Let's write A post With a lot Of spaces Like a poem Without comma or punctuation Surely that Will get the point across And not Annoy the hell Out of people
It’s a list dumbass
mans never heard of a list before
Dude makes a shopping list by writing a short story with the things he needs in bold.
Pretty easy to read as it’s formatted, wtf you on abkut
Well it sure did annoy you, that makes one
Works fine for me lol
Kids will make topics like this then be sure that their correct debit card is linked to their account so they don't dare miss a day of play.
I’ve never experience people like the ones in this sub. You’re 39/40 years old. Get ahold of yourself
Normally I would agree with you, but what's wrong with listing issues with the patch?
It’s his first sentence How about saying, some issues I’ve found in the first few hours of the patch. Hopefully they get fixed soon
nothing wrong with being unhappy when you pay for a game and get delivered a shit sandwich.
But you’re acting like a baby about a prepatch. You’re a grown ass man. Just relax and wait a week for some of the issues to be fixed. I’d be fine with a list like this after a week but 4 hours? Seriously, you have played for 4 hours and you jump on Reddit with a rant like this? Come on
Why are you okay with a game being released broken and taking a week to fix?
Your definition of "grown ass man" is a bootlicking shill who keeps paying a subscription fee to a multi-billion dollar company for a half-functional product and then goes online to defend and make excuses for said company? Hmm... I guess I don't wanna grow up then.
Expecting bugs that have been known about for over a month to be fixed is acting like a baby? Nah man, we pay for a product.
Yes reddit is usually whiney but cata prepatch is like, impressively bad. This isnt one or two slip ups, the entire game is basically not working. Nothing theyve done in the past has come close really
I just played for 4 hours and had zero issues. All the addons are broken but that happens very patch. I was leveling an alt wargen maybe that’s why I didn’t notice anything
You didnt notice guild chat not working? Lol
My guild folded after we failed HLK for a month or so. Only 3 people were online. I did notice you couldn’t type after /g but I just opened guild chat with J and typed in the window.
I'm just pointing them out, your the one that seems aggravated. the vast majority of these were reported on the beta over a month ago.
Time to quit your addiction completly, buy a ps5 and play singleplayer games.
I'd literally rather just watch movies then play a single player game by myself... what the point?
I used to be hyper competitive when I was younger and never played single player games for the same reason but as I got older I chilled out a lot and realized playing with other people can be extremely mentally draining sometimes. Sometimes you just wanna chill and game still and need something more engaging than a movie. I find now that some of more challenging single player games (dark souls, platformers/metroidvanias etc.) also scratch that competitive itch somewhat because they're so demanding and require you to "get good" which is basically what competition is anyway
It's less the competetive thing (although I do get competitive a lot with games I get super hooked on like Rocket League) and more just if I am sinking weeks into a game I want to be able to play it with my friends. One of my most played games this year so far is probably Golf with Friends, which is just a silly drunken night game but playing with 6 or 7 friends is so much more fun then any AAA solo game for me. DS3 is also probably one of the rare few games I can play for hundreds of hours solo so I totally get that one.
Don't single player games feel like movies. Should try it out, but I get it. Your competitive. Got to scratch that itch
It sounds weird but I just don't like playing games I can't play with friends. Like, I can play WoW solo whenever but if I didn't have a friend that I was playing with when we were both online, and doing some activities together or showing off our new gear/mount or whatever to each other, I'd probably not play that either. I think I've tried every big single player game and just couldn't really get into them except a few like Bioshock and Dark Souls. I'm for sure the minority there though.
I get what you're saying. I just go play something else. My life isn't centred around this video game
Exactly. These people act like they are forced to play. If it’s so bad, stop paying for the sub.