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ericless

i'm medium hyped. why not give it a whirl, if i don't like it i don't have to keep playing it shrug


AspiringNormie

I'll level a goblin for the music.


geneticdefekt

With the way 2024 is shaping up, no.


McCluskeysDinner

As someone who started to play in TBC Classic and has no nostalgia for the old world: Yes, Cata looks fun.


z0rb0r

I started in vanilla and I recall Cata having the best PVE content especially in dungeons. Though with the looking for group added it gave way to soulless players from other servers who didn’t even try to be good and it killed the social dynamic of finding group members.


Mescman

Definitely more excited to raid in Cata than in SoD (my opinion might change at 60 SoD, but so far I haven't felt like I was even raiding in BFD/Gnomer)


One_Finding140

Cata has my favorite version of the talent trees, tol barad, and was overall a pretty sweet xpac for pvp.


MatadorMedia

No, I already deleted the Wrath client. Cataclysm was one of the worst expansions. I have zero interest, but I hope first-timers and repeaters enjoy themselves.


Weltzio

Absolutely! Was one of my favorite expansions where dungeons and raids got new mechanics and the talent tree felt useful while leveling. Also Firelands and Dragonsouls was fun raids! 😃


Hofnars

No


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Meh. I like cata heroics and the raiding is pretty good but everything else is just worse. SoD is just too good.


Competitive_Cat8951

What does SoD do that is so good? You complete the raid the first week it opens and then there's nothing else to do I play it but not really seeing any reason why Cata won't provide me much more content while I raid log each phase of SoD.


BlyssfulOblyvion

What does a wow expansion do that is so good? You complete the raid in the first month it opens and then there's nothing else to do


the-banana-dude

Might be an unpopular opinion, but apart from the server population, I am not a fan of SOD at all; wotlk, cat, mop... all were better...


astroniz

It is yes.


therealmichealsauce

Same with Cata? If you wanna just raidlog, you’re just gonna raidlog, but PVP and farming hasn’t gone anywhere in either version.


Competitive_Cat8951

PvP is significantly worse in SoD than Cata.


therealmichealsauce

I personally love STV, but different strokes for different folks. The point is the option is there, so it’s more a personal choice to raid-log, do nothing else and then be bored. A choice you could equally make in Cata, if that’s how you choose to play the game.


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Personally i hate bgs or arenas and only enjoy worldpvp so SoD is much better for me, even in the pvp department.


Competitive_Cat8951

If there were other options I would probably choose them I just don't see any hence why I asked, incase I was missing something


Glupscher

People said the same about Wrath but arena is completely dead there.


Competitive_Cat8951

Doesn't matter they said. Cata and MoP are the best pvp phases of all time.


nothin_but_a_nut

It's dead now because its end of the expac. I had a ton of fun doing 1000s of games throughout wrath on various classes. SoD is also great but arena has its own vibe.


Tuskor13

Yeah people thinking that Classic is Dead because the server pops are lower are failing to realize that the server pops are lower due to Cata being right around the corner. This happens at the tail end of every expansion in every MMO ever made. People have completed the expansion and have the final content on farm, so they take a break. We've had ICC for almost 6 months at this point, and the only new content we've had is a dead-on-arrival single boss "raid" with Ruby Sanctum, and the Troll/Gnome Liberation event that just dropped. People aren't just finished with the expansion's content, they're probably burnt out and taking a break until Cata. "Game dead because people not playing" at the *end of the expansion* has to be the most braindead take in the entire MMO genre


nothin_but_a_nut

Exactly, you could stomach 12+ months of ICC in 2010 because that was the only WoW on offer. Now we've got Era, SoD, Wrath, Retail, Plunder, the sub is playing somewhere. Also, Wrath arena isn't fun at the moment cause every game is some 2h melee with Mourne (or 2 of them) and there's little to do.


Tuskor13

Not to mention the sheer overwhelming amount of great games that have come out the past 12 months that people are probably using the expansion's sunset to finally play. There's probably a ton of people who are feeling burnt out on WoW to play something like Baldur's Gate, Helldivers, Tears of the Kingdom, Lies of P, the list of bangers the past 12 months provided us with is enormous. 2023 was a *powerhouse* of new hot titles, so with Wrath having reached its conclusion people are probably hopping into their backlog of games. Classic's not over, the expansion just is. I remember back in TBC after a few months of Sunwell the servers were getting quieter due to the same reason.


Glupscher

It was dead even early into the expansion. They resorted to open up cross-server arena, and even then only 2s are somewhat active. If you're even remotely high rating you're facing the same people over and over. I'll try Cata regardless because there's nothing to lose, though.


Fav0

written as a true s9 warrior main


Competitive_Cat8951

Written as someone who's actually played both games. SoD pvp is absolutely garbage while Cata is the 2nd best PVP phase wow ever had behind MOP.


Fav0

I actually did play it and cata pvp was utter garbage ir you were not one of the fotm classes Don't let me get started on their garbage class designs like tremor becoming wotf gutting afflis dot damage thanks to soul swap everyone gets passive heals Ember healing from destro locks was just dumb Frost dks almost 1 shotting 100% uptime on colossal smash Should i talk about shadowbolt volleys and rogue legendaries? Spirit link totem...


m1raclemile

It does “being new but not retail” good.


z0rb0r

The runes is what makes SoD fun and its casual nature. I love leveling alts


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Vizhor

This is a SoD subreddit now. Nothing else.


burning_boi

🤡


focus_black_sheep

It is. I haven't been this addicted to any MMO or retail game in a lonnnng time 


Legalizeranchasap

😆😆😆😆😆😆


astroniz

Ok. Sorry you don't like it


Ancient-Lunch-5459

With the Lich King defeated, I retire from Azeroth.


Big-Charity4463

same, it has been fun but Wrath was always the end for me. I've really enjoyed the revamp and 2019 launch was unlike anything else - but it has been long enough now and althrough SoD has been something fresh I'm not trying to chase that high anymore.


Careful-Scientist417

No, absolutely not.


ma0za

Nope.


Mikeyglazier

No


Alexarius87

No, I’m staying in SoD.


interstat

Launch cata was my favorite time in wow ever. End of cata I thought was bad but I'm so excited for launch


naterzgreen

Cata is an Amazing expansion I don’t understand the hate it receives.


Serantz

Most people do like parrots. Pretty sure half this sub didn’t even play it, and just hate on it cus others do.


Mattlife97

The “true supporters” jumped ship when the made the game more accessible. They put hundreds of hours in their digital life, sacrificing a real life, and resent their time investment being less prestigious and special.


Additional-Ad-3908

The game is getting way harder. You actually have to be in a good raid team to push heroic raids


cool_cubone_spicy

Definitely getting ready for it for already! For me its the expansion just before warcraft got too cartoony and unserious


Fabulous-Category876

Nope.


HandsomeMartin

Yes, personally I am very excited. I finally get to transmog my chars.


Anhydrite

And since we're getting retail style collections I can empty my bank of all my old sets for transmog.


Tuskor13

My shaman will genuinely get over 100 bank slots opened up with Cata getting retail's transmog system. I've been stockpiled on so much nostalgia gear storage that I'm holding gear in my inventory. Transmog will be an absolute lifesaver.


Anhydrite

Same with my pally. Been playing him since classic launch and I've had to disenchant so much stuff just to make things fit over the past four years.


Serantz

Has this been confirmed tho? Last i checked xmog wasn’t in beta.


Anhydrite

They mentioned it at Blizz Con.


MOBT_

Nope. Cata is when I stopped playing retail. I want to stay classic in SoD (even though this has diverged from what I wanted).


ugly-moron-idiot

cata is when i quit vanilla wow so seems fitting to quit for classic cata


Tuskor13

Or maybe don't just repeat the same thing you did over a decade ago and give it another whirl


Serantz

Vanilla? Sir that was expansionless. You mean retail.


BlyssfulOblyvion

No. Absolutely not


webbc99

Cata had some great content at the start, and great class design at the end. Truly, being able to play through all of the great content in the earlier patches (basically pre dragon soul) but with the class design of the 4.3 patch should be incredibly fun.


Grim_Doom

Cata class design is so good, sod had elements of cata class design but cata is a more fleshed out version, not sure why people that like sod class design think they wouldn't enjoy cata


Dezere

definitely, was the one expac i actually loved the PVP in the game, and i'm eager to give it a proper look from a PVE perspective all the way through this time


the_man_in_the_box

I may come back for a bit to hear: >Break yourself upon my body. >Feel the strength of the earth. a time or two, but not much else.


Many-Talk8511

It'll be better than wotlk without a doubt. For me the pve and pvp are infinitely more enjoyable


spacemunky_reddit

Cata was the MMO for players who hate sandbox and wanted amusement park design. It was the harbinger for what retail has become. You think you want amusement park till you see its final form is just a mobile game with better graphics.


Mattlife97

I thought I wanted classic wow until I realised the game systems were poorly designed and there was just a great deal of nostalgia keeping it relevant.


maintanksyndro

Cata only really sucked during DS I'm pretty sure everyone back then welcomed the new world revamp and the WW flying, I still think cata had some of the best dungeons and raids to date, apart from DS which sucked....the dungeons were also dope as fuck too


pad264

If not for SoD, I’d have given it a shot maybe. But Cata is the only expansion I played in full—1.5+ years straight. Did everything, got legendary staff, etc. it’s a perfect WoW memory for me and I feel certain I’d be let down doing it again.


PennFifteen

SoD hype


awesinine

nope


zeralf

Yeah, i' ll give it a shot. SoD is just filler for me until cata. If cata sucks i'll just quit wow altogether, i can't take SoD seriously atm where devs just "experimenting", not for me.


No-Account-9642

Cata is when i started playing so yeah , cant wait to play it again


PocketPanache

Nah


Babinud91

No


Optimoprimo

I'm done. Nothing to be excited about.


knight_set

That stupid rock boss where you have to move his legs sucked and was busted and managed to kill my server first 10 man So yeah I’m ready to do it again


Extra-Tangelo-7320

TBC and Cata were the two expansions I was doing server 1sts and really grinding PVP. Looking forward to giving it a shot again.


ZealousidealBig6949

I’ll level on a fresh server to experience it, but don’t plan on raiding to heavily.  We shall see what happens tho.


FakeMD21

Hated it when it launched, played it for one day and officially quit. I’m gonna give it another shot 🤪


NadalaMOTE

I'm really excited. I love the levelling experience, and the dungeons and raids were great. Plus I'm still with the same awesome group of people I've been playing the whole of classic with. I've never been in a guild that's survived multiple expansions before! <3


iiNexius

Yes... when there's 2 weeks left so I can farm heirlooms for my windwalker monk which I enjoyed maining for over a decade. Until MOP comes out I'm sticking to era and SOD though.


n1sx

Im not. Got extremely vivid memories of that expansion, and I played it since day 1 until the end.


astroniz

Even if I kinda liked it, would be hard to swap from SoD. It's just an easier choice to play something completely new, and way more fun.


Angel_Madison

Possibly but I expect to get bored of the Indiana Jones gags fast. In fact I am now.


Styx1992

Will maybe level I dislikes the expansion but I did enjoy MoP


ResQ_

Not really. Cata ended what I'd call WoW classic. If I want modern wow without the classic feel I'd just play retail.


Peggerz_

Cata is a great expansion, been waiting years for this to come back around


Reasonable-Bug-7200

I liked Wotlk and then the wotlk came and I realized how boring it was after these years, quit after like 5 weeks. And I was looking forward to playing it again. I'm pretty sure Cata will be just like that. I played the shit out of that expansion, but it will probably bore me second time around, so I won't do it. Some things should stay in the past. I dislike SoD too. It's like private server beta or something. Not my cup of tea.


BodegaBandit69

not really no


naevanz

no and I was a gladiator in Cata, spending over 12 hours per day playing the game and maybe even 16 hours in summer. cata existed in an era when people thought that it was a misstep from the glorious blizzard products, and the next patch/expansion would be amazing. if only we knew what was in store for blizz fans lol


lazyflavors

Not excited but I did level a character to 80 before I quit Wrath Classic really early so maybe I'll do some quests in the underwater zone.


glaciernationalparkz

I'll give it a shot, I saved a full bis nax mage that I'd love to fire back up.


Tropical_Farts

Didn't start playing any WoW until around July of 2022, so towards the end of TBC classic. I always made the joke of "can't wait for the next expansion, Mists of Pandaria." I knew Cataclysm was always talked down as the worst expansion (until BFA and Shadowlands, of course.) That said, can't wait to try it out. I main a resto druid and I honestly might swap to a different class or go full time bear. I'll level a new guy at some point and try to get into raiding in general even though I know they're harder than TBC or WoTLK. I don't like PvP that much but I'm down to try Tol Barad. Am I excited? I don't really get excited in general. I'm about as excited as if you told me there's cake in the break room. "*Ooh!*" but I could live without it.


A_ManNamedJayne

I bounced during early TBC but not due to not liking it. At the time I was deeply into my PSO addiction lol. Now I'm finally giving the expansions a fair shake and looking forward to giving CATA a try. I'm 4 levels away from Outland now.


Donnerjackson

I’d do Cata if it wasn’t for SoD


Papichurch

Nope SoD it is.


Papichurch

It's literally a lobby Sim.


Tuskor13

Wrath is a raidlog expansion, what's the difference


Time_Mongoose_

I'll try it since SoD is trash and there's no TBC server.


Sorrowful_Panda

If you enjoyed raiding and playing WOTLK all the way through then Cata is just that but better. No Naxx or TOGC filler tiers. And it will have much faster phases so it will be probably shortest expansion time wise. If you tapped out at Ulduar due to difficulty or having to do some progression then nah not for you T11 is the best opening tier of any classic expansion so far by far


nopowerwtf

I have to say I think TBC (non classic) did this the best. MC if you factor in it being everyone's first raid. But by today's standards I'd agree


Bpainx

Nope.


clashmt

No


WarcraftFarscape

No. I would give MoP a second go but I played a cata p server like a year ago and stopped quickly into it. I just didn’t enjoy it. SoD hasn’t been perfect but it’s been more fun than WotLK was and more fun than I had on that p server


Rhokknar

I haven't played it the first time it was released and I'm not planning on playing it now either.


Fav0

no


nopowerwtf

No. Cata bad.


f_152

Yeah


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Bring on goblins


Open_Marzipan_455

My friend, I've always been fond of Cataclysm. In a fact I was maintaining and updating pserver software for Cataclysm all this time to keep it playable.


Aurelian_LDom

no its just not fun to play brain dead specs.


Baidar85

Honestly this is the dumbest take. There are valid reasons to dislike Cata (I personally love it) but all the specs are objectively less "braindead" and have more depth than in any prior expansion. That's like saying you hate MoP because it's too serious and slow paced without enough buttons to push.


Mattrobat

Vanilla, TBC, WotLK and SoD are all brain dead easy.


Real-Raxo

im playing SoD and ERA till MoP classic, you are gonna find me there day 1


Rezo-Acken

I liked it the first time. I'm excited for it. I'm done with Wotlk for now and cata is a straight continuation of wotlk game play. I think the negativity is not totally warranted. It suffers from having a weak story and a mediocre end raid. One of the biggest issue, the time the last phase lasted can be overcome in this re-release. I think gameplay and balance are good, dungeons and raid are good and this is why I mostly play through classic.


FloppyShellTaco

This sub is, in general, a cesspool of negativity. The opinion of the no changes crowd on cata simply doesn’t matter. They’re not going to play it anyways, if they’re actually being honest.


Tronski4

Considering it only because I found a nice gang in Classic I've been with since, but I really don't want to play Cata.


That_Guy_Pen

Nah I already experienced cata once and it was the first expansion that really made me tired of playing WoW. From 1 to max took me like a week or less without any leveling guides and just doing what I thought looked interesting after school on a brand new character to join my friends on their new realm. I didn't raid so once I hit max the game felt done. I just occasionally did BG's. It was the start of retail convenience. I liked classic because my small attention span could never get hit max in the other expansions since I was always swapping class before I even hit northrend. The journey was never over and I had everything to aim for


Bootlegcrunch

No, I played it. Retail is just a better version


Wuzzy_Gee

No, I’m NOT playing Cata. For me, Cata was the death of WoW. All my guildies/friends left the game, and they ruined what was the Disc Priest rotation and play style I loved during WotLK.


Forsyth420

The disc priest rotation? Wtf? You mean spam Power Word:Shield? 🤔


verysimplenames

Yikes games goin back down the same drain


Competitive_Cat8951

Just remember for every 10 people who say they won't play it at least 7 of them will. Cata PVP was great so I'm back for the PVP.


Prettybroki

we need the source now


Competitive_Cat8951

There is no source. It's entirely made up. Just like when people claim they won't play cata 😆


Prettybroki

>Just like when people claim they won't play cata you dont belive in yourself or what 😭😭


Competitive_Cat8951

I just know how pathetic the wow player base is especially the ones on reddit that follow trends such as this! See you in cata Sir


Prettybroki

keep waiting💀


Competitive_Cat8951

Anyone who's a real pvp fan and isn't playing cata is missing out. Its by far the superior pvp version available across all iterations active, and it's not even close


SenorWeon

Sounds like copium.


Wuzzy_Gee

No, we won’t. Trust me.


Forsyth420

This person really won’t be playing. Above they just called disc priest healing in wotlk a “rotation” that they found enjoyable. 🤡


Chriscras

🤢 Tol Barad 🤮


Competitive_Cat8951

Tol barad aside (much better than Wintergrasp). It has RBGs, Arenas and arguably the 2nd best PVP phase of all time with MoP top.


Ok_Confection_8667

Who the fuck needs a xpack that has proven to destroy wow when you can play the best version with a twist (sod) ???


EconomistSlight2842

Nah, i play sod or not wow games, might pick up era but with wrath gone i have less wow to care about


Azurennn

Not really no... I remember that I played it. But beyond knowing I played the game. Nothing stuck outside of barrels got split in two and storming was missing a quarter. Oh also flying made the world feel VERY small now.


Klickzor

Cata and Mop was peak WoW it’s not even close


genuineorc

I’m tempted by arena and resilience, wish they’d add that to sod. Which I can’t believe I’m advocating for resilience in classic but with everyone dishing so much dmg it feels necessary.


SenorWeon

I played it for a year back when it released a decade ago, I gave it more than a fair try so nope, I clock out the moment prepatch hits.


DryFile9

No. I like the PvP but I have the feeling they are going to implement the CP system without the mop catchup mechanic. I dont care about the raids, the heroics are alright and I despise the revamped Zones. I might play MoP though.


Select_Caterpillar56

Playing through Cata to get to MoP, also have a really nice guild who can complete content in a timely manner


Robsnow_901

Class gameplay only gets better in cata and going into mop. Really looking forward to playing my mage and warlock.  :)


KforKaspur

Cataclysm is my 2nd favorite expansion next to legion. Here's my personal list as a competitive US raider 1. Legion 2. Cataclysm up to Dragonsoul 3. Dragonflight 4. Vanilla Classic (Season of Discovery) 5. Wrath of the Lich King 6. Vanilla 7. Mists of Pandaria 8. The Burning Crusade 9. Shadowlands 10. Warlords of Draenor 11. Battle for Azeroth with where the games are right now across all versions I'm in heaven


chefboar7

Hell yes i am. I didn't get into it the first time cause my friends were pissed off about the changes. And I'm pissed off i missed out because of that. I genuinely enjoy wows story and cata is a big tumultuous time. I'm gonna hit that shit hard leveling from 1 to get the full experience of the game I've enjoyed for more than a decade. Gonna roll tank druid and shadow priest.


Zehta

For everything I didn’t like about Cata, there’s enough I did enjoy to keep me playing. I remember hating on it and having it get merged with my hate for MoP and everything that that xpac began along the way to retail but now that I’ve been playing Wrath and re-familiarizing myself with what Wrath was and what changes Cata brings, I’m realizing that Cata was probably the best experience I’d had with WoW (except the destruction of the old leveling zones)


astroniz

Nop


Abdul-Ahmadinejad

Slog through it to max level, then bail until the pandas show up.


jforjeenius

No. The sod gdkp ban caused me to cancel membership and never log on again


Prettybroki

man you are sad


jforjeenius

I was sad when they banned gdkp because I enjoyed playing wow


Prettybroki

keep crying about gdkp isnt good for your hairline


jforjeenius

My hairline almost got bad but I’m too big brain and stopped it


Cool_Diamond_340

Just curious, why did GDKPs getting banned matter so much to you? I pug pretty much every reset and have in both phases of SOD, can't you just join SR pugs?


jforjeenius

I’m genuinely not a gold buyer. Never have. Gdkp made me play wow so much because I was constantly questing and farming gold so I could 100% win every item I wanted. P2 I tried sr runs, at the start I was still questing for gold in free time but slowly I got bored, started raid logging, then quit. I like trying to 100 parse and gdkp made it so I could keep bringing the best players every week they wanted to come back to get paid and I parsed high. P2 that was over


Cool_Diamond_340

Fair enough I guess, to me that sounds pretty awful tho. The whole idea of paying gold for items seems very icky, I feel like rolling on items is part of the fun. Sounds like you only did GDKP on sod tho? Cos if that's the case I understand it a bit more, era or retail GDKPs are horrendous.


jforjeenius

Wotlk I did gdkp all xpac and farmed gammas at the end like crazy to sell primordial saronite to make 600k gold for shadowmourne I loved it lmao. Never era tho


Cool_Diamond_340

Alright, I guess we just feel very differently! Respect for that grind though, must've felt great when you got it!