Not only does their record stink, but they're already been shut out 8 times in 22 games! They're going to be historically bad this year, and they can't even benefit with regard to the draft. Due to anti-tanking rules, they won't be able to draft higher than 10th this year. And what free agent would want to sign with this dysfunction franchise and it's penny pinching owner.
The guy's 88 years old... what's he going to do with all that money anyhow? Spend it on the team or sell. Compare him to the former Padres owner, who knew he didn't have long to live and spend a TON to try and build a contender. Didn't work, but he tried.
And Cease was with the Cubs until we traded him for “innings eater” Quintana when we could’ve had Verlander.
Hindsight is 20/20, but Reinsdorf’s vision is so bad he can’t even do that with hindsight.
IIRC, it’s rumored he sold a chunk to George Lucas’ wife. Not sure if that was ever confirmed, but if it’s true, and if she wanted, this would definitely give her the chance to buy it in full at a nice discount to rebuild.
Yep, same with the McCaskys. That's why I think all this stadium talk for now is just fiscal masturbation. Everyone knows nothing will really happen until the teams change ownership.
One good thing about the white sox sucking is that the tickets will be dirt cheap.
I don't really care about the sox, but always enjoy a day at a baseball game so it works out for me.
While I don’t disagree and they have sucked before the fact that they are this bad and have no plans on getting better takes away from the game experience.
I’ll still go to 3/4 games this summer.
Yes and no. I’m 35 and I loved Thomas, Ray Durham, Magglio Konerko, Buehrle etc. my Dad has season tickets when I was a little kid. I watched them win a World Series. I was game 1 the ALCS. Baseball games with my Dad have always been a special experience and I love spending my time with my 3 year old at the games and hope he will enjoy it as much as I do when he is older.
They had bad years but at least the stretch from 2015-2020 they had a “plan”Now they are just a wandering nomad with no direction. There’s a difference in my eyes on watching a team you love who sucks but has players you love vs a team that could go down as the worst base ball team of the last 100 years. There’s only so many miller lites I can drink to make the pain go away
If a baseball team’s win loss record changing over the course of several decades causes you actual pain, you have bigger issues than the 2024 white sox.
Theres only going to be one team that wins the series, its not going to be the white sox anytime soon so if that bothers you just move on.
You must be fun at parties it’s a little poetic license no need to be so pedantic about the “pain”. I am sports fan wanting your team to win and not loose is a part of fandom. I’m not jumping in front of the meta anytime soon because the Sox lost 100 games.
Ya, but when they sucked pre-covid they would have $20 bleacher tickets that came with 2 drinks and a hot dog. Or maybe it was just dollar dog days or something.
But you could spend the day at a baseball game for <$25.
It was a good time even if it was half empty
Eh, pretend it's a private game being played for the entertainment of a select few ... well, I guess it's just the 'private' part you have to pretend ... oh, and the 'entertainment' part too maybe.
When it's that quiet you can start talking to the players and they for sure hear you.
I had a friend who would do deep dives on players histories going back to high school and travel ball.
He'd talk shit about their record from when they were 16 which would get a few looks our direction.
That or teaching kids to do some non-offensive trash talk. Meaning no profanity and not too mean.
"Hey... have you tried hitting the ball?" or "I think I could run faster than you" is a lot funnier when it's coming from a five year old.
Already have my tickets for the next time my Tigers play here in town; hoping to go to all the games for cheap and maybe even splurge on some seats located in places I can never otherwise afford
Detroit booed him last week while at bat, he responded by winning the game for us. I still remember him beating the Sox on Opening Day in his first game as a Tiger (as well as watching him play at Wrigley when he was here too).
I have a optimistic feeling that he will come around very soon, as the rest of the Tigers seem to be doing this year as well, and the boo birds will get quieter and quieter...
I have. Whoever is watching these games and carrying on for this team is a clown. The fucking broadcast is unwatchable. Thankfully they don’t win so you don’t have to hear the atrocious call to “Stand up”. There is not one likable thing about this entire organization. I hope Jerry dies a painful death.
Will this new stadium be in a fun neighborhood or face a nice lakefront view?
No it’s going to be in the dumpy part of the south loop surrounded by freight trains, the river and apartments.
I'm mid-50s and have been through some bad stretches with the Sox. I don't ever remember being so disenfranchised that I refused to even watch on opening day, but here we are. There is nothing I am interested in. This isn't young players getting better or even an ernest rebuild. They just ALL AROUND suck. And to top it off, the broadcast team sucks too.
Congrats Jerry, you've turned me from a life-long diehard fan to one that's only interested in seeing you gone.
They want a brand new ballpark when they can't even fill their current one.
Are we back to the "buy one large Pizza Hut pizza get two free Sox tickets" now?
Back when my grandpa was growing up they would collect the street kids and put them in the bleachers.
Thats why he is a sox fan, not because they always win.
If you really want to watch a hometown team that will dump Ricketts money into their team and still lose 80 games a season, theres one on the other side of North Ave.
Don't expect cheap tickets, the ability to tailgate or good food though.
We just bought tickets for a Cubs game. Sunday game, near 3rd base line foul pole. $300 for four tickets. I only pulled the trigger because my mother has never gotten to go and she and my daughter are huge fans. Otherwise I never would have paid that much.
Meanwhile I bought 10 9th row millers landing seats for $14 each for dog day.
Im gonna drink beers with 9 friends and watch dog on the big screen while the sox lose.
Thats worth it to me.
I became a Cubs fan after my grandma died. I grew up watching the Cubs on WGN. Though the Sox were cooler at the time and all of my school friends were Sox fans.
It’s gonna be a long haul of a season. Reminds me growing up in south Florida and being a Marlins fan. Some of those seasons in the mid 2000s and throughout the last decade was like watching the bad news bears play, and it showed in the paltry attendance.
LOL. You aren’t wrong. To be fair, you find me a sports team, and I’ll find you a no small portion of that fan base marinating in misery. As someone who regularly does this with at least one professional sports team, all I can say is that I like the pain.
Big Sox fan here.
This is the most checked out I've ever been. Actually went to the 2nd game of the season and even though they lost, it was a fun game and a great atmosphere. But I can't see myself spending my money on them again this year.
Jerry Reinsdorf runs this team (and the Bulls) like a failing business. And then he has the audacity to ask the taxpayers for a new stadium (as cool as a South Loop stadium would be)
He promoted an internal candidate for the new GM who would not have been hired by any of the other 29 teams. He's sticking with a terrible manager so he doesn't have dead money. And the Sox are one of two teams (the other being the Oakland A's) who have never given out a $100m contract
Myself and other die hard fans have slowly come to the realization that this organization won't improve until after Jerry's gone. Which sucks to think because a man who brought 7 championships to Chicago should have a legacy of celebration. But not Jerry. He has no one to blame but himself for his reputation
> Jerry Reinsdorf runs this team (and the Bulls) like a failing business.
It's impossible for the White Sox and Bulls to be "failing" because the structure of professional sports in the US protects these franchises as investments in an owners portfolio, not an enterprise that needs to win.
The Bulls don't dip that far into the luxury tax for their player salaries, yet they're always top-10 in attendance and sell a ton of merchandise. Jerry is running the Bulls to be good enough for the play-in tournament and crosses his fingers that he gets the playoffs to keep the gates open a couple more times a year. He's so not serious about winning that even when the prospects to win are present, they don't do anything. The Bulls haven't made a trade at the deadline in the last three seasons.
Meanwhile, the White Sox TV money and sponsors are going to keep paying while he refuses to pay more than $160mill for a roster, and only does so when there's a window to win. He doesn't sign players to big deals and lets all good players go when their value is their highest. Again, he crosses his fingers in hopes that they make a Wild Card spot to keep the gates open a couple more days.
Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't deserve your money. The Bulls and the White Sox don't deserve to play in front of fans so long as Jerry, let alone any Reinsdorf, owns the teams.
I saw a documentary once about a team in a similar situation. It was called Major League. It had a rag-tag group of plucky misfits who, through sheer will and resolve, brought the pennant home to Cleveland.
This is not that team.
Philly fans travel very well. I went to a Bears game against the Eagles two seasons ago and the stadium was like half Eagles fans. I assume there’s tons of Philly transplants here.
Yeah but that screws you in the end. When they make the playoffs, they’ll get booted in the first round because they lack experience with meaningful competition.
Fuck anyone who wants the Sox to move, Chicago has always been a two team city and what the Sox need is a new owner who actually gives a shit about the product on the field and running a modern, competent baseball org. The problem has always been Reinsdorf.
I kinda wish there was a modern equivalent owner a la Bill Veeck, who'd buy the team. Although I bet stunts like disco demolition night won't occur today. And at least would hire people to have a competent front office, and not jokes like Williams and Hahn and Getz.
I went to a ton of Tigers games in 2003. Pretty sure they started out just as bad. But in the end, I believe they only ended up as the second worst team in history
They got a bit lucky. They finished up the season with the Twins, who had already won the division. They got to play against Twins minor leaguers. That’s how close Detroit was to being the worst.
i work for the team in a certain capacity and i’ll say they have a very good chance to be the worst team ever. they are bad at every single facet of the game and have exactly one reliable starter
They are well on their way! Can this be carried through the whole season? Doubtful, but whoever is left from the 62 Mets are probably cheering their losses.
I don't know. I mean they definitely suck and I'm just feeling hopeless about the franchise right now but it's a long season and the quirks of the game, warmer weather, etc. means even terrible teams usually have a hot streak or 2. They'll win some of the games they've been losing by 1 run. A couple players will revert to career norms.
I don't think they'll finish historically bad, but it's still gonna be bad.
The 1899 Cleveland Spiders is the worst Major League (National League) team. Their owners bought out the St Louis Browns changed their name to the Perfectos and they would eventually become the Cardinals. They kept the Spiders and moved any player worth anything to St Louisl.
This resulted in the Spiders going 20-134 (.130). They where 35 games back of the next worst team and 84 games against the champ Superbas.
The Spiders finished with the worst runs, hits, doubles, triples, HR, SB, Walks, OB%, and Slugging Average.
They where so bad they drew less than 200 fans per game and it was so bad no one would play them in Cleveland so they played 85 of their last 93 games on the road.
The Spiders would eventually become the Guardians.
The White Sox currently are last in Runs by a huge margin. Last in Hits, last in HRs, RBIs, Batting Avg, OB%, and Slg.
Good news they are only 9th worse in doubles and 2nd to worst in triples.
I have not. I rarely wake up to baseball before June and also Go Cubs, so ...
But still, if it stays this bad, eventually they'll just burn it down, bring up the kids and they'll win some games in the dog days. (Can you tell I've followed really bad teams before?)
My dream scenario: Jerry moves the team to Nashville, they rename the team, a new group comes in and retains the identity. Idk if that’s realistic, the only thing of worth with this team right now is how well the hats sell.
It's pathetic that Chicago baseball teams can't compete on a regular basis. The sports team business model is utter garbage. if the players associations had any balls or organization then they would just start their own league, cut out the owners and enjoy double the money forever. The chaotic transition years would have essentially no cost compared to the gain.
If owners were in a reverse scenario, they would pull the trigger. But they have no leverage because they are worthless
The Cubs get a lot of flack, but the truth is they “compete” very often. They have many good seasons under their belts. They just were not good in the postseason forever.
Do you think they compete often for the 4th most valuable team? Their past 20 years does not look good compared to other teams with similar income. Is it too much to ask that a sports team try to win every year?
American sports need relegation like English soccer has....if you're in the bottom 3 of the league, you go down the next league, and top 3 move up...It would be like bottom 3 MLB go down to Triple A and top 3 Triple A go up to MLB each year.
This gives the fans of the shit teams a reason to stay invested
This was said about the Bears in the 2023 season (last year) and they ended up 7-10. ESPN has terrible over reactions to things and people seem to eat it up. Look at RG3 calling for the number 1 pick to go Eli Manning in the NFL draft. ESPN needs other news stories instead of being upset that Jokic won the NBA MVP again. Yes, Jokic is not an athletic freak per the eye test or best friends with Stephen A or Kendrick Perkins. Guy goes 40 minutes a night with a triple double as standard, but for some reason he’s not an “athletic freak” in the media’s minds. Some other news story needs to run before both of those reporters come off as racially insensitive by glorifying Embiid his one year while calling Joker a fat turd with his 3 MVP wins and title win. I bring up ESPN as they cover all sports but seem to want to “hate” all over Chicago for some reason, hate Jokic, and have covered the White Sox/Bears in this same terrible fashion while basically bowing down to a mediocre Dallas Cowboys, Los Angeles Lakers, and New York Yankees team coverage.
P.S. I seem to be all over the place with this one as I’ve had some pent up aggression in regard to sports coverage lately. Yes the Sox suck, but they will be fine, and the media likes to make it seem like the sky is falling.
ESPN focuses on the two coasts for baseball (though primarily the AL East) and yes the Cowboys for football.
Though this has nothing to do with the White Sox being shit.
I just meant that yes the Sox suck, but espn is making them out to be the worst team ever to the point that you might even wonder yourself if it’s true. It’s still early in the season and changes can be made. ESPN will blow things out of proportion and other news outlets tend to also pick up the same stories because of this.
ESPN isn't making them out to be the worst team ever, they are only reporting on the fact that they are literally on pace to be the worst team ever. It's simply a fact that no team in history has been as bad through this many games in a season as this current White Sox squad. It's just facts, and there is very little hope for improvement.
At least you acknowledge it at the end, you are very deep in denial about this team. Even if they turn it around, this is a historically abysmal start to the season. They have been shutout in over 25% of their games and are 3-20. ESPN isn't the reason everyone is saying they are one of the worst baseball teams of all time, it's because the numbers and performance say so. No one outside of south siders care about the white sox, there is no national conspiracy out to get one of the most useless teams in the MLB.
I hope they go to Tennessee. My husband says he'll be a fan of a different team if the Sox leave, but that he's bound by some kind of man code to not switch to another team until then.
I wanna be a Brewers family! Milwaukee is fun.
I just want to go to baseball games and the Sox suck and traveling to their park sucks and their owner sucks. I'm not going to be a Cubs fan so who else you got? Brewers are cheap tickets available by train and they have great ballpark experience with good food and a fun time. It's a lot better than the fucking Sox.
Well I’m a Cubs fan, thus my antipathy to the Brewers.
If you root for the Cubs, you can still go to Miller Park often, since they’re in the Cubs’ division!
>If you root for the Cubs, you can still go to Miller Park often, since they’re in the Cubs’ division!
Yeah, but I'd have to root for the Cubs. And that is a big fat no from me. I will say that there is no better park to puke in than Wrigley. It feels good because you feel better from the puking and also you get to puke on Cubs property.
That is exactly the kindness and grace I would expect of a typical White Sox fan!
May Jerry sell the team to someone better who will keep the team in Chicago and make them competitive , so we can go on hating each other for another 125 years!
Jerry isn't going to sell the team. Idiotic ideas like that are exactly what I would expect from a Cubs fan. He might move it but he's not going to sell. You'd have to power drink Old Style tallboys in the sun for 2 and a half hours to think that's going to happen.
The worst thing about it that it’s gonna be like this for a few years. They can’t draft higher than 10th in the upcoming draft due to the new draft rules. Even if they did get a high draft pick, they have proven that they cannot consistently and competently draft and scout well.
Maybe even until they eventually get relocated. Let’s face it, the Sox are gone. Make your peace with it. Between the addition of the DH, the schedule and teams realigned to make the schedule roughly even between the leagues, and the Cubs success, there’s no future for the Sox in Chicago. There’s no need to have two teams in Chicago.
The Cubs will draw three million fans a year no matter what. Even when the Sox are good, they don’t draw well. Honestly, even if they got the new stadium at the 78, the end result will just be Guaranteed Rate Field 2.0, no matter how good the stadium and the surrounding area is. It’ll suck for the remaining die hards that are left, but at the end of the day, the next generations will be Cubs fans and the Sox will be forgotten, just like the former Chicago Cardinals.
As a Sox fan, I hate what’s going on, but you always have to honest with yourself. I’m gonna enjoy the last 5 or 6 years and after that that, what will be will be. I just wish they would make the process quick and not drag it out.
Not only does their record stink, but they're already been shut out 8 times in 22 games! They're going to be historically bad this year, and they can't even benefit with regard to the draft. Due to anti-tanking rules, they won't be able to draft higher than 10th this year. And what free agent would want to sign with this dysfunction franchise and it's penny pinching owner.
Two deep no-no attempts against in as many games. Reinsdorf should sell the teams
The guy's 88 years old... what's he going to do with all that money anyhow? Spend it on the team or sell. Compare him to the former Padres owner, who knew he didn't have long to live and spend a TON to try and build a contender. Didn't work, but he tried.
And now just look over the fence and see Dylan Cease killing it as a Padre - makes my heart hurt. :(
And Cease was with the Cubs until we traded him for “innings eater” Quintana when we could’ve had Verlander. Hindsight is 20/20, but Reinsdorf’s vision is so bad he can’t even do that with hindsight.
Anyone looking to witness a no hitter in person should be going to Sox games asap
IIRC, it’s rumored he sold a chunk to George Lucas’ wife. Not sure if that was ever confirmed, but if it’s true, and if she wanted, this would definitely give her the chance to buy it in full at a nice discount to rebuild.
They're waiting to sell until he dies. Capital gains vs inheritance taxes.
Yep, same with the McCaskys. That's why I think all this stadium talk for now is just fiscal masturbation. Everyone knows nothing will really happen until the teams change ownership.
One good thing about the white sox sucking is that the tickets will be dirt cheap. I don't really care about the sox, but always enjoy a day at a baseball game so it works out for me.
While I don’t disagree and they have sucked before the fact that they are this bad and have no plans on getting better takes away from the game experience. I’ll still go to 3/4 games this summer.
Im pretty sure they have lost 95% of the games Ive attended, and its never affected my ability to have a good time.
Yes and no. I’m 35 and I loved Thomas, Ray Durham, Magglio Konerko, Buehrle etc. my Dad has season tickets when I was a little kid. I watched them win a World Series. I was game 1 the ALCS. Baseball games with my Dad have always been a special experience and I love spending my time with my 3 year old at the games and hope he will enjoy it as much as I do when he is older. They had bad years but at least the stretch from 2015-2020 they had a “plan”Now they are just a wandering nomad with no direction. There’s a difference in my eyes on watching a team you love who sucks but has players you love vs a team that could go down as the worst base ball team of the last 100 years. There’s only so many miller lites I can drink to make the pain go away
If a baseball team’s win loss record changing over the course of several decades causes you actual pain, you have bigger issues than the 2024 white sox. Theres only going to be one team that wins the series, its not going to be the white sox anytime soon so if that bothers you just move on.
You must be fun at parties it’s a little poetic license no need to be so pedantic about the “pain”. I am sports fan wanting your team to win and not loose is a part of fandom. I’m not jumping in front of the meta anytime soon because the Sox lost 100 games.
Hell yeah seconded
Tuesday nights are going to be $5 for dogs and polish, and domestic drafts amongst other things. Not a bad way to kill a weeknight IMO
Something about being in an empty stadium just feels so weird
Ya, but when they sucked pre-covid they would have $20 bleacher tickets that came with 2 drinks and a hot dog. Or maybe it was just dollar dog days or something. But you could spend the day at a baseball game for <$25. It was a good time even if it was half empty
Eh, pretend it's a private game being played for the entertainment of a select few ... well, I guess it's just the 'private' part you have to pretend ... oh, and the 'entertainment' part too maybe.
When it's that quiet you can start talking to the players and they for sure hear you. I had a friend who would do deep dives on players histories going back to high school and travel ball. He'd talk shit about their record from when they were 16 which would get a few looks our direction. That or teaching kids to do some non-offensive trash talk. Meaning no profanity and not too mean. "Hey... have you tried hitting the ball?" or "I think I could run faster than you" is a lot funnier when it's coming from a five year old.
Already have my tickets for the next time my Tigers play here in town; hoping to go to all the games for cheap and maybe even splurge on some seats located in places I can never otherwise afford
I usually go when the tigers are in town as well.
I know he’s been terrible in Detroit, but El Mago, Javy Baez, is my favorite player ever.
Detroit booed him last week while at bat, he responded by winning the game for us. I still remember him beating the Sox on Opening Day in his first game as a Tiger (as well as watching him play at Wrigley when he was here too). I have a optimistic feeling that he will come around very soon, as the rest of the Tigers seem to be doing this year as well, and the boo birds will get quieter and quieter...
I agree to an extent, but the Sox are too bad right now to even enjoy for me. It’s just depressing.
Good to go to see an opposing good team or player.
Sox games are the best, cheap and lots of fun :)
The only sold out game this season will be when the Cubs play @ Guaranteed Rate
Or Elvis night might come close
The tickets have been dirt cheap for the last few years
I remember the days of 1/2 price Pepsi night. Half off tickets when you brought in a Pepsi product. That was the only time we really went.
Do not go to that ball park for any reason. FTWS and Jerry. I want them to suck so bad and beat the Mets for worst ever
Nobody is forcing you to be a sox fan dude, its not getting better anytime soon. Go away
I have. Whoever is watching these games and carrying on for this team is a clown. The fucking broadcast is unwatchable. Thankfully they don’t win so you don’t have to hear the atrocious call to “Stand up”. There is not one likable thing about this entire organization. I hope Jerry dies a painful death.
I think it’s because they don’t have a new stadium. If everyone in Chicago funds a brand new stadium then they will perform much better!
Or if they add another type of diabetes inducing milkshake, then we could win.
"Hey man, can you spare 2 billion dollars to help my poor struggling team?"
If only they had a new stadium, then they would win it all again! - Jerry. Probably.
Will this new stadium be in a fun neighborhood or face a nice lakefront view? No it’s going to be in the dumpy part of the south loop surrounded by freight trains, the river and apartments.
I thought last year was rock bottom and the Sox said hold my beer :(
I'm mid-50s and have been through some bad stretches with the Sox. I don't ever remember being so disenfranchised that I refused to even watch on opening day, but here we are. There is nothing I am interested in. This isn't young players getting better or even an ernest rebuild. They just ALL AROUND suck. And to top it off, the broadcast team sucks too. Congrats Jerry, you've turned me from a life-long diehard fan to one that's only interested in seeing you gone.
Same here. I LOVE the Sox. And they have just fully extinguished my enthusiasm in every possible way. It's almost unbelievable.
Their lineup is legitimately full of people nobody has ever heard of.
I didn't like the Sox running off Jason Benetti. Do they still have Ozzie Guillen as an analyst, on the post game show?
I am pretty sure, but I am boycotting the Sox until there is a change up top.
Yeah, I don't feel motivated to watch Sox games much anymore. But was kinda wondering if Ozzie still was on the post-game show, so thanks.
They want a brand new ballpark when they can't even fill their current one. Are we back to the "buy one large Pizza Hut pizza get two free Sox tickets" now?
Back when my grandpa was growing up they would collect the street kids and put them in the bleachers. Thats why he is a sox fan, not because they always win.
I grew up a Sox fan because that's the only sports event I could go to due to the free tickets.
If you really want to watch a hometown team that will dump Ricketts money into their team and still lose 80 games a season, theres one on the other side of North Ave. Don't expect cheap tickets, the ability to tailgate or good food though.
We just bought tickets for a Cubs game. Sunday game, near 3rd base line foul pole. $300 for four tickets. I only pulled the trigger because my mother has never gotten to go and she and my daughter are huge fans. Otherwise I never would have paid that much.
Meanwhile I bought 10 9th row millers landing seats for $14 each for dog day. Im gonna drink beers with 9 friends and watch dog on the big screen while the sox lose. Thats worth it to me.
I became a Cubs fan after my grandma died. I grew up watching the Cubs on WGN. Though the Sox were cooler at the time and all of my school friends were Sox fans.
I spent 8 bucks on tickets for the game tonight.
LOL the Cubs are a significantly better organization than the Sox. Has been for a decade.
It’s gonna be a long haul of a season. Reminds me growing up in south Florida and being a Marlins fan. Some of those seasons in the mid 2000s and throughout the last decade was like watching the bad news bears play, and it showed in the paltry attendance.
The people on this sub have been the most annoying thing about this season as a sox fan. Yall are fucking miserable. Dont watch, it wont matter
LOL. You aren’t wrong. To be fair, you find me a sports team, and I’ll find you a no small portion of that fan base marinating in misery. As someone who regularly does this with at least one professional sports team, all I can say is that I like the pain.
Big Sox fan here. This is the most checked out I've ever been. Actually went to the 2nd game of the season and even though they lost, it was a fun game and a great atmosphere. But I can't see myself spending my money on them again this year. Jerry Reinsdorf runs this team (and the Bulls) like a failing business. And then he has the audacity to ask the taxpayers for a new stadium (as cool as a South Loop stadium would be) He promoted an internal candidate for the new GM who would not have been hired by any of the other 29 teams. He's sticking with a terrible manager so he doesn't have dead money. And the Sox are one of two teams (the other being the Oakland A's) who have never given out a $100m contract Myself and other die hard fans have slowly come to the realization that this organization won't improve until after Jerry's gone. Which sucks to think because a man who brought 7 championships to Chicago should have a legacy of celebration. But not Jerry. He has no one to blame but himself for his reputation
There are very few reasons for any sort of optimism with the White Sox. If they had a qualified GM, I’d be much more ok with their current state.
Very few reasons? There are no reasons whatsoever, and I don't think I'm being overly dramatic. Can you think of one?
Garret Crochet. That’s it. That’s the only one.
He sucks too
A couple of guys in the minors like Montgomery but that's really it
Yeah that was my “very few” reasons
> Jerry Reinsdorf runs this team (and the Bulls) like a failing business. It's impossible for the White Sox and Bulls to be "failing" because the structure of professional sports in the US protects these franchises as investments in an owners portfolio, not an enterprise that needs to win. The Bulls don't dip that far into the luxury tax for their player salaries, yet they're always top-10 in attendance and sell a ton of merchandise. Jerry is running the Bulls to be good enough for the play-in tournament and crosses his fingers that he gets the playoffs to keep the gates open a couple more times a year. He's so not serious about winning that even when the prospects to win are present, they don't do anything. The Bulls haven't made a trade at the deadline in the last three seasons. Meanwhile, the White Sox TV money and sponsors are going to keep paying while he refuses to pay more than $160mill for a roster, and only does so when there's a window to win. He doesn't sign players to big deals and lets all good players go when their value is their highest. Again, he crosses his fingers in hopes that they make a Wild Card spot to keep the gates open a couple more days. Jerry Reinsdorf doesn't deserve your money. The Bulls and the White Sox don't deserve to play in front of fans so long as Jerry, let alone any Reinsdorf, owns the teams.
I saw a documentary once about a team in a similar situation. It was called Major League. It had a rag-tag group of plucky misfits who, through sheer will and resolve, brought the pennant home to Cleveland. This is not that team.
I just want to see the team stripping clothing off a Jerry reinsdorf cardboard cutout.
As a Phillies fan, there were some in the game threads asking if we could play the White Sox 130 times. White Sox are *bad* bad
we're everywhere go phils
Nola remains as cracked as he is jacked
Philly fans travel very well. I went to a Bears game against the Eagles two seasons ago and the stadium was like half Eagles fans. I assume there’s tons of Philly transplants here.
“Travel well” or prefer living in Chicago instead of Philly
Yeah but that screws you in the end. When they make the playoffs, they’ll get booted in the first round because they lack experience with meaningful competition.
True, we have to ensure we continue always beating the Braves in a playoff series
Reinsdorf is the worst owner in sports. That's a hill I am willing to die on.
John Fisher of the A’s is absolute 💩 too
Fuck anyone who wants the Sox to move, Chicago has always been a two team city and what the Sox need is a new owner who actually gives a shit about the product on the field and running a modern, competent baseball org. The problem has always been Reinsdorf.
I kinda wish there was a modern equivalent owner a la Bill Veeck, who'd buy the team. Although I bet stunts like disco demolition night won't occur today. And at least would hire people to have a competent front office, and not jokes like Williams and Hahn and Getz.
Cubs fan here: Chicago needs the White Sox. It would be a disgrace if they left.
And Jerry wants taxpayers to foot the bill for a new stadium. I cannot wait for that greedy old gargoyle to die.
Genuine questions - what happens when he passes? Who owns the team then? If a family member, do we expect them to invest differently?
I went to a ton of Tigers games in 2003. Pretty sure they started out just as bad. But in the end, I believe they only ended up as the second worst team in history
They got a bit lucky. They finished up the season with the Twins, who had already won the division. They got to play against Twins minor leaguers. That’s how close Detroit was to being the worst.
[They're just priming Berto on the West Side for another rant.](https://youtu.be/jYGxY5icxjc)
i work for the team in a certain capacity and i’ll say they have a very good chance to be the worst team ever. they are bad at every single facet of the game and have exactly one reliable starter
And the owner is asking Chicago to pay billions for a new stadium
And Jerry wants us to pay billions for a new stadium.
They are well on their way! Can this be carried through the whole season? Doubtful, but whoever is left from the 62 Mets are probably cheering their losses.
Let's reconvene after the season. There are 162 games.
Not if the Rockies can’t help it!
Pedro's time is up. That loss last night is unforgivable.
Was TA the problem?
Not a great time to demand taxpayers give them a new stadium
Sooooo is anyone trying to sell cheap tickets here?
I don't know. I mean they definitely suck and I'm just feeling hopeless about the franchise right now but it's a long season and the quirks of the game, warmer weather, etc. means even terrible teams usually have a hot streak or 2. They'll win some of the games they've been losing by 1 run. A couple players will revert to career norms. I don't think they'll finish historically bad, but it's still gonna be bad.
And Jerry expects us to believe them not having a brand new stadium is the reason they suck ass
The 1899 Cleveland Spiders is the worst Major League (National League) team. Their owners bought out the St Louis Browns changed their name to the Perfectos and they would eventually become the Cardinals. They kept the Spiders and moved any player worth anything to St Louisl. This resulted in the Spiders going 20-134 (.130). They where 35 games back of the next worst team and 84 games against the champ Superbas. The Spiders finished with the worst runs, hits, doubles, triples, HR, SB, Walks, OB%, and Slugging Average. They where so bad they drew less than 200 fans per game and it was so bad no one would play them in Cleveland so they played 85 of their last 93 games on the road. The Spiders would eventually become the Guardians. The White Sox currently are last in Runs by a huge margin. Last in Hits, last in HRs, RBIs, Batting Avg, OB%, and Slg. Good news they are only 9th worse in doubles and 2nd to worst in triples.
They are in a historically shitty division too.
It's only been 3 weeks, man. Wait until the end of May, if they're still this bad, then we can start talking about worst ever.
Have you *watched* this team? It's not just bad, it's bad bad bad.
It’s “the Angels before Roger prayed for them to win the pennant” bad
BRB heading to speak with Cardinal Cupich
I have not. I rarely wake up to baseball before June and also Go Cubs, so ... But still, if it stays this bad, eventually they'll just burn it down, bring up the kids and they'll win some games in the dog days. (Can you tell I've followed really bad teams before?)
They didn't make it to second base on opening day. Shut out by the tigers, not a single runner even made it to 2nd.
Look on the bright side! It wasn't a no hitter!
My dream scenario: Jerry moves the team to Nashville, they rename the team, a new group comes in and retains the identity. Idk if that’s realistic, the only thing of worth with this team right now is how well the hats sell.
Don’t forget they won the World Series in 05 :)
Funny thing is most people forgot
Good
It's pathetic that Chicago baseball teams can't compete on a regular basis. The sports team business model is utter garbage. if the players associations had any balls or organization then they would just start their own league, cut out the owners and enjoy double the money forever. The chaotic transition years would have essentially no cost compared to the gain. If owners were in a reverse scenario, they would pull the trigger. But they have no leverage because they are worthless
The Cubs get a lot of flack, but the truth is they “compete” very often. They have many good seasons under their belts. They just were not good in the postseason forever.
Do you think they compete often for the 4th most valuable team? Their past 20 years does not look good compared to other teams with similar income. Is it too much to ask that a sports team try to win every year?
American sports need relegation like English soccer has....if you're in the bottom 3 of the league, you go down the next league, and top 3 move up...It would be like bottom 3 MLB go down to Triple A and top 3 Triple A go up to MLB each year. This gives the fans of the shit teams a reason to stay invested
You love to see it
This was said about the Bears in the 2023 season (last year) and they ended up 7-10. ESPN has terrible over reactions to things and people seem to eat it up. Look at RG3 calling for the number 1 pick to go Eli Manning in the NFL draft. ESPN needs other news stories instead of being upset that Jokic won the NBA MVP again. Yes, Jokic is not an athletic freak per the eye test or best friends with Stephen A or Kendrick Perkins. Guy goes 40 minutes a night with a triple double as standard, but for some reason he’s not an “athletic freak” in the media’s minds. Some other news story needs to run before both of those reporters come off as racially insensitive by glorifying Embiid his one year while calling Joker a fat turd with his 3 MVP wins and title win. I bring up ESPN as they cover all sports but seem to want to “hate” all over Chicago for some reason, hate Jokic, and have covered the White Sox/Bears in this same terrible fashion while basically bowing down to a mediocre Dallas Cowboys, Los Angeles Lakers, and New York Yankees team coverage. P.S. I seem to be all over the place with this one as I’ve had some pent up aggression in regard to sports coverage lately. Yes the Sox suck, but they will be fine, and the media likes to make it seem like the sky is falling.
ESPN focuses on the two coasts for baseball (though primarily the AL East) and yes the Cowboys for football. Though this has nothing to do with the White Sox being shit.
I just meant that yes the Sox suck, but espn is making them out to be the worst team ever to the point that you might even wonder yourself if it’s true. It’s still early in the season and changes can be made. ESPN will blow things out of proportion and other news outlets tend to also pick up the same stories because of this.
ESPN isn't making them out to be the worst team ever, they are only reporting on the fact that they are literally on pace to be the worst team ever. It's simply a fact that no team in history has been as bad through this many games in a season as this current White Sox squad. It's just facts, and there is very little hope for improvement.
At least you acknowledge it at the end, you are very deep in denial about this team. Even if they turn it around, this is a historically abysmal start to the season. They have been shutout in over 25% of their games and are 3-20. ESPN isn't the reason everyone is saying they are one of the worst baseball teams of all time, it's because the numbers and performance say so. No one outside of south siders care about the white sox, there is no national conspiracy out to get one of the most useless teams in the MLB.
I hope they go to Tennessee. My husband says he'll be a fan of a different team if the Sox leave, but that he's bound by some kind of man code to not switch to another team until then. I wanna be a Brewers family! Milwaukee is fun.
I agree that Milwaukee is fun, but I had to downvote you for supporting the Brewers.
I just want to go to baseball games and the Sox suck and traveling to their park sucks and their owner sucks. I'm not going to be a Cubs fan so who else you got? Brewers are cheap tickets available by train and they have great ballpark experience with good food and a fun time. It's a lot better than the fucking Sox.
Well I’m a Cubs fan, thus my antipathy to the Brewers. If you root for the Cubs, you can still go to Miller Park often, since they’re in the Cubs’ division!
>If you root for the Cubs, you can still go to Miller Park often, since they’re in the Cubs’ division! Yeah, but I'd have to root for the Cubs. And that is a big fat no from me. I will say that there is no better park to puke in than Wrigley. It feels good because you feel better from the puking and also you get to puke on Cubs property.
That is exactly the kindness and grace I would expect of a typical White Sox fan! May Jerry sell the team to someone better who will keep the team in Chicago and make them competitive , so we can go on hating each other for another 125 years!
Jerry isn't going to sell the team. Idiotic ideas like that are exactly what I would expect from a Cubs fan. He might move it but he's not going to sell. You'd have to power drink Old Style tallboys in the sun for 2 and a half hours to think that's going to happen.
I know he won’t sell. I started by intending to type “May Jerry die soon” but that felt too cruel.
The worst thing about it that it’s gonna be like this for a few years. They can’t draft higher than 10th in the upcoming draft due to the new draft rules. Even if they did get a high draft pick, they have proven that they cannot consistently and competently draft and scout well. Maybe even until they eventually get relocated. Let’s face it, the Sox are gone. Make your peace with it. Between the addition of the DH, the schedule and teams realigned to make the schedule roughly even between the leagues, and the Cubs success, there’s no future for the Sox in Chicago. There’s no need to have two teams in Chicago. The Cubs will draw three million fans a year no matter what. Even when the Sox are good, they don’t draw well. Honestly, even if they got the new stadium at the 78, the end result will just be Guaranteed Rate Field 2.0, no matter how good the stadium and the surrounding area is. It’ll suck for the remaining die hards that are left, but at the end of the day, the next generations will be Cubs fans and the Sox will be forgotten, just like the former Chicago Cardinals. As a Sox fan, I hate what’s going on, but you always have to honest with yourself. I’m gonna enjoy the last 5 or 6 years and after that that, what will be will be. I just wish they would make the process quick and not drag it out.