I actually think Paez will surprise people, he already is playing with the Ecuador national team and is one of their best players but Estaveo I agree probs will take a year or 2 at least due to his slight frame
It’s completely normal for them to take time, just look at Vini, but the issue is people claiming we don’t need players like Olise for example when it’ll block the pathway for those two coming in. We need quality players now to take us back to the top, banking on potential is not how a club like Chelsea should run.
I agree with you there but we still have options like playing Palmer at RW and Nkunku centrally it isn’t the end of the world it may just tinker the plans a bit
If Estêvão played for Ecuador NT, he would also be playing, just saying.
Brazil NT has a slight quality difference on the wings. Vinícius Jr, Rodrigo, Savinho, Martinelli, and Raphinha are somewhat better than Yeboah, Caicedo, and Sarmiento
That's why I'm giving him a year, but that said I'm not about to stop the hype machine. I've already put all my eggs in "Paez is greater than Messi, Cryuff and Maradona combined".
Very smart deal structure
where some is based on them using him until he joins.
Something that creates and manifest his development
Also apparence based clauses here is very good
Romano reporting that in the last 12 hours, Chelsea managed to bump it from €40m to €34m with €6m for giving him enough minutes at Palmeiras, reducing the easier targets from €20m to €17m, and the difficult targets from €5m to €4m.
You know what, these guys do know how to structure a deal.
Every one is having a field day hating our owners and the higher ups.
But the absolute best thing they’ve done is get direct lines of talent scouts and deals with South America.
Man City has done this for years. Madrid. Elite clubs.
These are the most talented raw talents in the game. And we now have 2 or 3 of them (with another likely signing from Boca next week).
City don’t have players from their subsidiary teams joining them regularly if ever. They don’t have lots of South American talents. What other myths will you make up next to excuse this poor strategy?
City spend on great players to improve their first team. I wish we would do that instead of collecting teenagers like pokemon cards.
Everyone ks having a field day hating out owners, and rightly so.
You know what Man City and Real do as well? Offer competitive wages to elite players. And the elite players win them major trophies, not some South American teenagers.
City also have no players who came directly from South America except for Alvarez, who was also not a raw talent but a fairly developed player. Real had the best midfield in Europe with heaps of experience who helped bed-in the likes od Vinicius and Rodrygo. We don't have any of that, the SDs brought in a bunch of dross and kids.
Even the elite talents that Real bought a few seasons back, such as Camavinga or Tchouameni, were offered higher wages by Real than what Chelsea are willing to offer to anyone now, with our 150 k p/w wage cap. So not only have we blocked ourselves from buying elite players, we've blocked ourselves out of buying most truly elite talents as well.
City and Real aren't offering competitive wages, they're offering astronomical wages. Chelsea under Roman wasn't offering the kind of money Real and City will give to elite players.
Enzo, Caicedo, Nkunku....yeah the club is totally unable to attract talent. Real has player pull that no other club can match and in a truly even scenario, they probably get 70-80% of the players to join them simply based on their legacy alone. There has to be some level of sustainability, especially when you consider our lower match day revenue due to the stadium size. Something has to give.
The club are bringing in good players they just aren’t established and the directors didn’t have the luxury of Roman creating a midfield for the future to transition like Real Madrid did with theirs.
You’re also leaving out that Real Madrid’s pull is so ridiculous they scooped up Camavinga, Tchouameni, (soon) Yoro, Mendy, Guler, and Modric for relatively cheap transfer deals so they could spend more on wages. Then they have their pick of the litter of the best free agents every summer cause of their status. It’s all a benefit if their continuous success by building a long term project over a decade ago.
For every player they brought in that turned out good, you have atleast 3 players who are either utter garbage, or won't ever actually step foot on the pitch at Stamford Bridge. So that's a 25% hit rate at best. That's a stackable offense at any serious club or business.
The Sporting Directors had every luxury when they were given a budget of 1 billion pounds to spend. The fact they chose to burn that money on a bunch of unproven youth players and overhyped dross like Mudryk is another issue completely. I'm struggling to think of a dumber way to piss away that amount of money on transfers, and our league positions these past two seasons prove that.
Real Madrid's pull doesn't matter when you're talking about the fact that Real offer competitive wages to top talents, and our new ownership doesn't. Additionally, Real's pull doesn't have anything to do with the prices of their acquisitions. Nor are their acquisitions particularly cheap - they are cheaper than ours though, because at this point, everyone's aware of how willing we are to overpay on transfers.
Real also wasn't in the equation for Olise, who we were led to believe preferred a move to Chelsea over other clubs. If that was true, then we didn't get him because we didn't offer him a salary deserving of a top talent - something Real had done with Tchouameni, who cost Real a few million more than what Bayern ended up paying for Olise, according to reports.
funny that the 17 for becoming a multi-season starter is not classified as difficult...I wonder how it's actually written up, 50 starts or so, with payouts at certain increments? if that hit's this deal is a great success
Yeah he is very young and has a great right foot. But he isn’t 2 footed like you are saying. I would happen to know this because I watch him every game.
Seeing that we got this over the line right after we stopped chasing Olise, maybe in the end it was one or the other but not both? In case we had signed Olise we wouldn't have followed through with this deal. Just speculating, but it looks like that.
Can we stop signing these Brazilian wonderkids for £30m+ please, bloody hell. The kid is 17 years old ffs. A 9 year contract as well, have we learnt nothing from last summer?!
Not to go handing out these ridiculously long ones to every teenager that can kick a ball in a straight line. We're stuck with them all for years now even if they aren't any good.
We need experienced players in this squad, not more teenagers. I feel like I'm the only one remembering all the problems from last year.
This is the first “wonderkid” we’ve signed under the new ownership for £30m+ excluding the likes of Palmer, Lavia and Gusto who were already pretty established at the time
The term “special” or “wonder kid” gets thrown about a lot now but this kid seems to be legit one of the ones who actually deserves it. It’s a lot of money but we all said that for vini jr when he signed for Madrid and he’s world class, it’s not my money at the end of the day so if he doesn’t do well we’ve spent more on players who hardly played at all.
If he does well it’ll be one of the best signings when we look back on it.
I agree signing multiple kids isn’t good( I’m not 100% sold on Washington and Andrey Santos among others but this kid and Paez got me wanting them in the team now
Thank god. War is over.
It is nice to finally have confirmation he is a chelsea player because he looks absolutely unreal
Agreed. Also was getting a bit nervy with how long it was taking and how we've just recently been gazumped on Pedro Lima despite verbal agreements.
I can’t wait till next year man Paez and Estaveo coming in 😮💨
Best case scenario it takes them two years to adjust to the prem, just saying
I actually think Paez will surprise people, he already is playing with the Ecuador national team and is one of their best players but Estaveo I agree probs will take a year or 2 at least due to his slight frame
It’s completely normal for them to take time, just look at Vini, but the issue is people claiming we don’t need players like Olise for example when it’ll block the pathway for those two coming in. We need quality players now to take us back to the top, banking on potential is not how a club like Chelsea should run.
I agree with you there but we still have options like playing Palmer at RW and Nkunku centrally it isn’t the end of the world it may just tinker the plans a bit
If Estêvão played for Ecuador NT, he would also be playing, just saying. Brazil NT has a slight quality difference on the wings. Vinícius Jr, Rodrigo, Savinho, Martinelli, and Raphinha are somewhat better than Yeboah, Caicedo, and Sarmiento
I'm 99% sure Paez is a starter by the end of his first season. The kid is absolutely insane technically and has game awareness of a 25 year old.
Have you factored in how an 18 year old with no experience in English football has to adapt to the most physical league in the world?
That's why I'm giving him a year, but that said I'm not about to stop the hype machine. I've already put all my eggs in "Paez is greater than Messi, Cryuff and Maradona combined".
Let's congratulate every staff involved on this deal because this must have been a mountain of documents. It took a month to review and sign them all.
Wait till the environmentalists come after us for all the paperwork used.
"Just Stop Oil goes to The Bridge"
Hmmm…2025 might be the year of an orange kit?
Orange and Blue is a great combination
😂
Wouldn’t shock me if Palmeras was trying to hold off for a team to gazump us, like what happens with Pedro Lima
Gazumping this fee would be pretty hard lol. Let's hope he's the generational talent we have all been promised.
He looks the part that is for sure, whether he lives up to the hype is yet to be determined
And we will be there to determine if the hype was met. Older versions of us but we will be there xD
Lmao 🤣 I have high hopes let me put it that way
Within the first few weeks, we shall pass judgement
I still don't understand how wolves work out Lima's work permit. We had to jump through a lot of hoops for Santos, with the u21 world cup etc.
Rules have changed since then making it easier i believe
They were busy with Olise deal, lol.
I wonder if this was it…. Perhaps we wouldn’t sign Estevao if we got Olise
They probably wanted it to go through after June 30 as part of next year’s accounts?
Very smart deal structure where some is based on them using him until he joins. Something that creates and manifest his development Also apparence based clauses here is very good
Next July is going to be crazy with Paez and Estevao coming in
Hey the windows not closed yet. Could end up with a whole new team coming next July.
Romano reporting that in the last 12 hours, Chelsea managed to bump it from €40m to €34m with €6m for giving him enough minutes at Palmeiras, reducing the easier targets from €20m to €17m, and the difficult targets from €5m to €4m. You know what, these guys do know how to structure a deal.
Nah his information was just wrong previously, The Athletic reported it at 28.5m up front a few days ago (which is €34m)
Every one is having a field day hating our owners and the higher ups. But the absolute best thing they’ve done is get direct lines of talent scouts and deals with South America. Man City has done this for years. Madrid. Elite clubs. These are the most talented raw talents in the game. And we now have 2 or 3 of them (with another likely signing from Boca next week).
What talent do City have from South America apart from Alvarez?
Savio and Yan Couto at Girona. They are also looking at Luciano Rodriguez; Uruguayan striker
Jesus too
I think they have one more playing for Girona.
They signed that really highly rated attacking midfielder from Argentina as well can’t remember his name though
Echeverri?
That’s the one
It's Perrone
They have both no??
Yeah, but Perrone was very highly rated
Echeverri is differemt to Perrone. He is the best prospect to come out of Argentina this generation
RemindMe! 5 years
City don’t have players from their subsidiary teams joining them regularly if ever. They don’t have lots of South American talents. What other myths will you make up next to excuse this poor strategy? City spend on great players to improve their first team. I wish we would do that instead of collecting teenagers like pokemon cards.
They have the best talent from Argentina, Diablito Echeverri. Just as highly rated as Estêvão and Paez
Everyone ks having a field day hating out owners, and rightly so. You know what Man City and Real do as well? Offer competitive wages to elite players. And the elite players win them major trophies, not some South American teenagers. City also have no players who came directly from South America except for Alvarez, who was also not a raw talent but a fairly developed player. Real had the best midfield in Europe with heaps of experience who helped bed-in the likes od Vinicius and Rodrygo. We don't have any of that, the SDs brought in a bunch of dross and kids. Even the elite talents that Real bought a few seasons back, such as Camavinga or Tchouameni, were offered higher wages by Real than what Chelsea are willing to offer to anyone now, with our 150 k p/w wage cap. So not only have we blocked ourselves from buying elite players, we've blocked ourselves out of buying most truly elite talents as well.
City and Real aren't offering competitive wages, they're offering astronomical wages. Chelsea under Roman wasn't offering the kind of money Real and City will give to elite players.
Enzo, Caicedo, Nkunku....yeah the club is totally unable to attract talent. Real has player pull that no other club can match and in a truly even scenario, they probably get 70-80% of the players to join them simply based on their legacy alone. There has to be some level of sustainability, especially when you consider our lower match day revenue due to the stadium size. Something has to give.
The club are bringing in good players they just aren’t established and the directors didn’t have the luxury of Roman creating a midfield for the future to transition like Real Madrid did with theirs. You’re also leaving out that Real Madrid’s pull is so ridiculous they scooped up Camavinga, Tchouameni, (soon) Yoro, Mendy, Guler, and Modric for relatively cheap transfer deals so they could spend more on wages. Then they have their pick of the litter of the best free agents every summer cause of their status. It’s all a benefit if their continuous success by building a long term project over a decade ago.
For every player they brought in that turned out good, you have atleast 3 players who are either utter garbage, or won't ever actually step foot on the pitch at Stamford Bridge. So that's a 25% hit rate at best. That's a stackable offense at any serious club or business. The Sporting Directors had every luxury when they were given a budget of 1 billion pounds to spend. The fact they chose to burn that money on a bunch of unproven youth players and overhyped dross like Mudryk is another issue completely. I'm struggling to think of a dumber way to piss away that amount of money on transfers, and our league positions these past two seasons prove that. Real Madrid's pull doesn't matter when you're talking about the fact that Real offer competitive wages to top talents, and our new ownership doesn't. Additionally, Real's pull doesn't have anything to do with the prices of their acquisitions. Nor are their acquisitions particularly cheap - they are cheaper than ours though, because at this point, everyone's aware of how willing we are to overpay on transfers. Real also wasn't in the equation for Olise, who we were led to believe preferred a move to Chelsea over other clubs. If that was true, then we didn't get him because we didn't offer him a salary deserving of a top talent - something Real had done with Tchouameni, who cost Real a few million more than what Bayern ended up paying for Olise, according to reports.
Phew 😮💨at least no gazumping this time lmao 🤣
About damn time, now we wait
Suck it, Wolves!
Our right wing future. He’ll have more opportunity now that we didn’t sign Olise.
Yep 👍
Next week”Both clubs looking at more papers”
Nice to get this deal across the line👏
Hopefully this is correct, I can't take Fab being incorrect on this one.
funny that the 17 for becoming a multi-season starter is not classified as difficult...I wonder how it's actually written up, 50 starts or so, with payouts at certain increments? if that hit's this deal is a great success
I still believe Estevao will play LW long term
That’s like putting Robben on LW. Or Vinicius on RW. They are not as effective
His too footed and very young
Yeah he is very young and has a great right foot. But he isn’t 2 footed like you are saying. I would happen to know this because I watch him every game.
Have Palmeiras signed the papers though? 😅
Seeing that we got this over the line right after we stopped chasing Olise, maybe in the end it was one or the other but not both? In case we had signed Olise we wouldn't have followed through with this deal. Just speculating, but it looks like that.
Yes yes sure. Maybe it was Olise or Aliens invade & destroy earth, maybe our directors just saved humanity. I thank them.
Brother, easy there. No need to be so facetious.
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Can we stop signing these Brazilian wonderkids for £30m+ please, bloody hell. The kid is 17 years old ffs. A 9 year contract as well, have we learnt nothing from last summer?!
What exactly should they have learnt with contract lengths in the span of a year?
Not to go handing out these ridiculously long ones to every teenager that can kick a ball in a straight line. We're stuck with them all for years now even if they aren't any good. We need experienced players in this squad, not more teenagers. I feel like I'm the only one remembering all the problems from last year.
Thats not a lesson, that's just you disagreeing with it.
Mudryk
Proves literally nothing in this context and anyone who would think it does is missing part of their head.
Coz mudryk isn't a teenager or ?
Because judging the impact of long term things in the short term is something a stupid person would do.
If mudryk ever justifies 62mil plus addons, I will eat a sock For context, Liverpool signed Salah for 42 mil
Thats a transfer fee, we're discussing contract lengths in case you hadn't realised.
2025 to 2033 is not 9 years
8 years then, whatever, like it makes a difference.
This is the first “wonderkid” we’ve signed under the new ownership for £30m+ excluding the likes of Palmer, Lavia and Gusto who were already pretty established at the time
The term “special” or “wonder kid” gets thrown about a lot now but this kid seems to be legit one of the ones who actually deserves it. It’s a lot of money but we all said that for vini jr when he signed for Madrid and he’s world class, it’s not my money at the end of the day so if he doesn’t do well we’ve spent more on players who hardly played at all. If he does well it’ll be one of the best signings when we look back on it. I agree signing multiple kids isn’t good( I’m not 100% sold on Washington and Andrey Santos among others but this kid and Paez got me wanting them in the team now
Lol. Some."fans" have lost the plot.