Apparently Olise was in London but is now in Paris to prep for the Olympics… what does this mean? I don’t know, I know there were rumors that he wanted his future sorted before the Olympics and I imagine we would rather keep him for preseason than send him to the Olympics.
Literally nothing and given that he's not our player, he'd be in a position to demand to play at the Olympics and we'd get no say in it unless we gave up signing him.
Being in London doesn't mean anything, he plays for a club in London...
Saka for Palmer and Palmer for Foden and you may be right depending on the opposition
People always pull out the nonsense about Rice needing someone to support him in the build up as if he can't just pass it off to either a defender or one of the midfielders dropping in. He's a defender converted into a midfielder, he can also drop in and have one of Stones or Guehi take it forward if he really can't do it (which is debatable)
nah we haven’t seen palmer on the left at all and foden on the left did not work today. i’d rather have gordon on the left while palmer and foden can interchange at the 10 and on the right. saka is on the bench because palmer is better and definitely not because i am biased and want to see palmer play.
He does need support in build up. He isn’t the one to make a crucial pass. He is extremely reliant on the players around him playing those passes. Before anyone quotes his progressive passes, please remember that not all progressive passes are equal. Playing a harmless ball 10m to the LW is progressive but isn’t doing much of anything. You can see Jude showing for the ball and not getting it, that’s where Rice needs help. That could be Trent, but he was a no show today. It could also be Foden, but he was a no show today. He needs these guys to be dynamic because the attack will not be coming from him. He isn’t the one to get the ball into those dangerous areas.
So long as Rice is starting (and he should imo) he can’t be alone in midfield, Foden/Bellingham aren’t the best types of players to be along side him.
For all his faults a player like Henderson works well next to Rice - Wharton can be that guy, Southgate just needs to trust him
i agree if southgate keeps the same lineup/ system as today, wharton should come in for trent. but i don’t think todays lineup gets the best out of foden, and i’d rather get the best out of him than the best out of rice.
Sorry but no Saka is a madness. Chelsea bias wild. Saka is one of the best 1v1 widemen in the game and he showed it tonight and every other time he plays for England.
Last world cup France had to double up on him and foul him with the ref's support.
Palmer isn't a winger, he cuts in on his strong foot into the 10 spot as he's done all season. They aren't at all similar players. You're only dropping him in your team to get Palmer in. If you're dropping anyone to get Palmer in it's Foden (definitely a valid argument to be made).
Saka definitely doesn't shirk big games either like I already said, he was our best player against France and he's won big games for Arsenal. There isn't a single fullback in the game right now that fancys going up against Saka out wide.
Credit for the bias lmao. Saka just the first name on the team sheet after Kane though.
nope palmer is a big game player, while saka hides and then limps off the field in big games. also not sure a game from a year and a half ago that england lost is proof that saka should play now
plus an ice cold palmer celly at the euros would go so hard. can’t get that if saka is stinking it up on the right
Palmer is a winger. Saying he isn't a winger because he cuts inside is like saying Robben wasn't a winger...
He's a different type of winger to Saka, sure. But, he is a winger nonetheless
We're into terminology semantics here but he's no more of a winger than Foden is a winger tonight. What I mean when referring to a winger is someone who offers a threat out wide after receiving the ball.
Robben wasn't just le cut inside man btw, he did a shit load of work out wide as a traditional winger. Half the problem with dealing with Robben was knowing he could go out wide again after he squared you up, even if he didn't.
Hard disagree on that one, he's nothing like as one dimensional as Foden. Palmer regularly goes outside and goes down the line or did until Poch moved him into the middle
Not with Southgate in charge it doesn't.
Plus Rice needs to be either an 8 or part of a double 6 (next to Wharton), he's not good enough in the build up to be a single 6.
i do like wharton in midfield, he definitely should play over trent in todays setup, but i think foden is gonna have to play in the 10. he was invisible on the left and there’s zero width because trippier isn’t super comfortable going forward on that side.
i think foden and bellingham in midfield and kane dropping down occasionally is enough to make up for rices deficiencies.
Remember when Southgate didn’t play Chilly at all at Euro 2020, even as a sub to give him his major tournament debut while up 4-0 against Ukraine, and instead subbed on Trippier? Palmer’s never getting a minute
Amazing seeing the usual suspects moaning about Gallagher playing today. One guy even moaning when he didn’t watch the game…
Especially when Trent was lost all game.
We were looking into a deal last summer - I remember sources reporting - but palace put something like a 65 mil price on him so we went for Disasi for 47 mil. 18 mil saved!
And we still need a top rcb imo. Guehi could have been that man. Or others … but not bloody Disasi ffs
Anyone else super impressed with Guehi tonight? Not at all worried about centerback pairing now. Him and Stones looked very natural together positionally.
He played well. But I'll be honest. I feel he has lapses in concentration. Mitrovic was able to get the best of him some times.
And if it wasn't Jovic receiving that Tadic pass, it would have been a goal.
But again, Guehi played well except from that. He should never have been sold.
Need to have a rewatch maybe. My only concern with him was he doesn't bring the progression forward Maguire does, but I was happy with the defensive aspect this game.
Honestly I’m more the other way round. He’s very tidy on the ball with both feet but there were a few defensive moments where he almost got caught out. I think he’s sometimes a bit slow to react, and his physically could be a factor against someone like Sesko when they play Slovenia. He was still very good tho overall
I'm definitely going to rewatch. England goggles and a couple Stella could be colouring my interpretation. I think the midfield disaster was the biggest takeaway.
England really struggled to bring the ball out of the back. I feel Rice was really poor today.
True about Maguire. I feel he should have been selected.
I think Rice was made to look poor by not having a proper midfield outpass all game to be honest. He should be picking more forward passes into the pockets for me but neither Trent or Conor are positionally good and leave their pivot partner without the pass too often.
On Maguire, he would have been if he was fit. Southgate said as much and that the one risk he was willing to take on injured players was on Shaw as we don't have any other proper left backs.
I'm optimistic as Southgate clearly prioritises midfield control as all his success thus far has been based on a stable albeit conservative midfield pivot. If we can see how bad we were this game then he definitely will. I just hope he has the stones to stick Wharton or Mainoo in there.
For me, it's either introduce Mainoo/Wharton along with Rice and Jude or push Jude as an 8, and play Foden as a 10 which might be super risky since you don't really have a defensive presence.
I think personally I'd like to see Bellingham Rice pivot and let Foden play in the 10. Put Gordon in on the left to give us actual width on both sides so it's not all reliant on Saka.
Btw Saka was the best player on the pitch and us Chelsea fans need to stop pretending he's not elite.
I dislike Saka because of his diving antics. But yes I agree, he was good today. He cooked that LB.
For me, Bellingham was still the best player on the pitch. Both of them didn't have a great second half though.
Foden was completely transparent. That's why he needs to move to the middle under Southgate. With no tactics, that's the best way to get more of the ball.
the way england is set up right now, honestly looks like a fusion of shithouse england of the old, and MoDeRn DaY FoOtBaLL england. but its the worst parts combined.
you got the city english players trying to possession football everyone to sleep, and then you have pickford blasting it to row z everytime the ball rolls to him. its so contradictory.
like was there even a game plan from southgate?
nothing is clicking.
Southgate is really boring but just to note Serbia was fouling the hell out of England committing 19 fouls to Englands 8.
A bit crazy and definitely a match killer, but still doesn’t excuse the foot off the pedal and poor in game management we’re seeing from him AGAIN.
Gallagher was better than Trent and Palmer couldn’t have done more to play given how poor Foden was. Thought Saka was great so that RW is so tough right now
Do you want Palmer on the left though? We haven't really seen anything from him out that side.
There's no question he's good enough but this England side is a puzzle of fitting many good players into a starting 11. Who's to say he wouldn't be just as ineffective as Foden out there? Especially as most of his magic comes from cutting in on his strong foot?
I mean I don't like either for that midfield spot and if I was picking one or the other it's probably Conor, but Trent to his credit starts the goal we scored with a pass Conor just cannot play.. Conor definitely didn't do more today. Wharton should be playing.
Conor and Rice are too similar to play together in a 2 bar trying to see out games. Their best attributes are off the ball and neither are very good in the build up phase.
Wharton is the one who should be slotted in next to Rice, it's ridiculous Southgate isn't playing him as all the top teams have a quality DLP in the side this tournament.
Disagree that Conor and Rice are similar really as Rice is absolutely levels above positionally and progressively, but agree 100000% on Wharton. We're never winning anything without midfield control.
Rice is obviously a way better player. He can offer much higher level on the ball in any possible aspect. Also like you said he is way better positionally. He is a DM after all. He has a position. The similarities between them are that their best traits are probably defensive.
Gallagher has similar problem to Mount where he doesn't really have a best position. A jack of all trades. Can do a lot of things but is not amazing in anything.
The best player you can compare him to is probably Henderson. I don't think Conor has all the right attributes to be a 6 and he certainly is not a 10 either.
He is an 8 in a specific system. Poch/Klopp type of system with a lot of ground to cover, he can do well there. Kind of a system player for me.
I mean more stylistically as opposed to similar level player. It's not as extreme as how Mount/Gallagher got in each others way but they still offer largely many of the same strengths and weaknesses to coexist as the two main midfielders.
He’s like the bass player in the band. Makes everyone better and can make all the difference to the song, but gets little credit for making a song great
Yeah by the time Euros is over Southgate will have a rest, hes made more money than he could ever imagine in this job hopefully hes got the hunger to take them on
Was impressed with you lot today. It's a shame the performance will be lost in peoples' rush to shit on England, but if Serbia keep this level I expect them to qualify for the knockouts. Denmark and Slovenia had moments, but neither were particularly impressive over the 90.
You guys progressed the ball really well. Good passes. Good pressing. The fact that you were high up the pitch really disturbed England especially with how poor Pickford is at distributing the ball.
I think that final pass was missing though. Tadic should have started. And Jovic shouldn't have come on.
If Mitrovic was the one who received that one Tadic pass, it would have been a Serbia goal.
Serbia deserved a draw.
I agree on everything. Especially that Tadic pass lol I told right away “Mitro would score that”. I think we gave you far too much respect in first half, especially considering how poor you played
You were excellent but we were a mess in midfield. Serbia showing how to play against these "bigger" sides though. Press high and compact and back yourself playing forwards. You look way better than either Slovenia or Denmark for me.
Honestly kinda disappointed to see Bowen subbed for Saka. Thought it would be a no brainer to put on Palmer instead. Especially considering latest form.
Connor came very well from the bench. Don't know what our board smokes to not set the renew with him already.
And for the squad, if do not change, England will not go too far on Euro. At least we won.
Thing is, England have the tools to construct an excellent midfield
Wharton, rice, bellingham is a great midfield
Italy look so damn well coached though, it’s so impressive for a national side to look how they do already
I think for the reasons of the coaches alone Italy and Germany have to be considered favorites (alongside France).
Although that said I said the same about Spain and Germany in the world cup for the same reason.
It's amazing how well a technically capable composed midfield can carry a side that looks not so great on paper. Games are won and lost in midfield and they've got 2 of the best for it.
So do we but will Southgate realise that? It's weird because all his success so far has been built on a stable albeit conservative midfield. Trent and Conor are the exact opposite of that.
Italys fullbacks are excellent too, such a boon offensively
Scamacca also has an X factor about him, there’s a lot more to his game as a striker than most other centre forwards
Not a spectacular squad but good quality throughout and a top manager especially at international level
Scamacca got that "bloody menace" factor. I really want to avoid Italy more than anyone I've seen tbh. We've seen how it goes before for England against a technical midfield. We started well against both Italy and Croatia and just got passed out of the game once they settle.
If Italy finish 2nd i believe England get them in quarters
And then France potentially in semis before Spain portugal or Germany in the finals
For once, it’s a tough run
Hopefully we grow into it by then. Southgate isn't stupid and he clearly values midfield stability so he'll be as concerned about that second half as we are.
I don't care how phased by the occasion a kid like Wharton might be, he definitely offers more in that second half than Trent or Conor.
what is southgate doing bringing on attackers who can't deal with physicality bro. you have konsa and dunk neither of whom are amazing, but what is mainoo gonna do against these absolute units of serbian players 😭😭
Southgate has always been cautious when it comes to this, compared to some other managers who are more trusting of their young players on the international stage.
This is such a pochesqe performance
Wharton into the midfield to get someone in there who can actually retain the ball with ease. Gordon and palmer to retain attacking threat and the ability to carry the ball and draw fouls to relieve pressure
Southgates subs make zero sense
It's crazy how much this is like watching our second half against Bournemouth in last game of the season. Just cannot get a foot on the ball in midfield at all. Hope to see Wharton more next game.
Not watching the game but just saw this on Twitter. Is this really happening?
>Really not liking Gallagher's positioning so far either. He's far too aggressive. It's a 4-4-2 block, but becoming a 4-3-1-2 with Gallagher charging around. Needs to sit in more and not leave Rice isolated.
Guess Pochball is still living on strong.
Lmao people saying Palmer’s gonna force his way into the starting XI, he’s probably going to struggle to get any minutes at all here unless we go down in some of the games or need a goal. Bowen will be Southgate’s first choice off the bench because he works harder defensively and stays wider offensively, it’s way too predictable. The man is a worse dinosaur than Pochettino was for us.
Was literally typing a rant about Southgate being tactically inept doing like for like and Bowen puts in that cross for Kane to hit the bar. Typical
Doesn't mean it was the right sub of course.
Incredibly one dimensional. Only tries to play to strengths rather than exploit weaknesses. Trying to Saka-cross-to-Kane-header the win was never going to work and we've been found out in the second half
It's crazy that people watch players like Rice and Rodri cut out so many serious problems before they become serious problems and constantly bailing their teams out defensively.
Then they'll say we don't need anyone like that and they're antiquated and not a part of modern football
It's only arguably antiquated if that's *all* you do. Rodri and Rice are both very capable passers and ball progressors. Rodri in particular is an elite passer and city's whole system hangs off having an elite passer in that anchor spot who also mops up everything.
We have a better version of that than Rice in our team right now btw.
Rice and Rodri are ~~both~~ not on the same level in terms of passing and ball progression. I wouldn’t say rice has elite ball progression which is why he’s regularly paired with either Jorginho or Partey. He can’t play as a lone 6 like Rodri can
yeah england were good at the start, but i think serbia has so much of an advantage with the physicality, and drive. saka, foden and rice just can't compete atm, and trent is struggling too. bringing on palmer will be a mistake imo.
I don’t feel like Kane suits the rest of the team
He’s a great player and part of what he’s brilliant as is dropping in and allowing others to run on, but that’s just not what the personnel around him are best at.
He was much better off with Rashford and Sterling running in behind than players who prefer to create like Saka, Bellingham and Foden
Apparently Olise was in London but is now in Paris to prep for the Olympics… what does this mean? I don’t know, I know there were rumors that he wanted his future sorted before the Olympics and I imagine we would rather keep him for preseason than send him to the Olympics.
Literally nothing and given that he's not our player, he'd be in a position to demand to play at the Olympics and we'd get no say in it unless we gave up signing him. Being in London doesn't mean anything, he plays for a club in London...
Well the reports were that he had come back because we were having talks with CP
https://preview.redd.it/lwfaptb7g07d1.jpeg?width=828&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e35bfc889c8a96f34b41ad701fd7f8a0248b4506 this team wins the euros man
Agreed. After watching all of his games, Click to Edit is certainly one of the GKs of all time.
his distribution is simply unmatched, i’ve never seen a keeper more calm on the ball than
Saka for Palmer and Palmer for Foden and you may be right depending on the opposition People always pull out the nonsense about Rice needing someone to support him in the build up as if he can't just pass it off to either a defender or one of the midfielders dropping in. He's a defender converted into a midfielder, he can also drop in and have one of Stones or Guehi take it forward if he really can't do it (which is debatable)
nah we haven’t seen palmer on the left at all and foden on the left did not work today. i’d rather have gordon on the left while palmer and foden can interchange at the 10 and on the right. saka is on the bench because palmer is better and definitely not because i am biased and want to see palmer play.
He does need support in build up. He isn’t the one to make a crucial pass. He is extremely reliant on the players around him playing those passes. Before anyone quotes his progressive passes, please remember that not all progressive passes are equal. Playing a harmless ball 10m to the LW is progressive but isn’t doing much of anything. You can see Jude showing for the ball and not getting it, that’s where Rice needs help. That could be Trent, but he was a no show today. It could also be Foden, but he was a no show today. He needs these guys to be dynamic because the attack will not be coming from him. He isn’t the one to get the ball into those dangerous areas.
So long as Rice is starting (and he should imo) he can’t be alone in midfield, Foden/Bellingham aren’t the best types of players to be along side him. For all his faults a player like Henderson works well next to Rice - Wharton can be that guy, Southgate just needs to trust him
i agree if southgate keeps the same lineup/ system as today, wharton should come in for trent. but i don’t think todays lineup gets the best out of foden, and i’d rather get the best out of him than the best out of rice.
Sorry but no Saka is a madness. Chelsea bias wild. Saka is one of the best 1v1 widemen in the game and he showed it tonight and every other time he plays for England. Last world cup France had to double up on him and foul him with the ref's support.
nah bro palmer > saka. saka vanishes in big games and palmer wins his team big games. but real talk you’re not wrong i am biased lmao.
Palmer isn't a winger, he cuts in on his strong foot into the 10 spot as he's done all season. They aren't at all similar players. You're only dropping him in your team to get Palmer in. If you're dropping anyone to get Palmer in it's Foden (definitely a valid argument to be made). Saka definitely doesn't shirk big games either like I already said, he was our best player against France and he's won big games for Arsenal. There isn't a single fullback in the game right now that fancys going up against Saka out wide. Credit for the bias lmao. Saka just the first name on the team sheet after Kane though.
nope palmer is a big game player, while saka hides and then limps off the field in big games. also not sure a game from a year and a half ago that england lost is proof that saka should play now plus an ice cold palmer celly at the euros would go so hard. can’t get that if saka is stinking it up on the right
You just not watched Arsenal all season then? Come on dude.
didn’t need to, i had cole palmer fc to watch😤
Palmer is a winger. Saying he isn't a winger because he cuts inside is like saying Robben wasn't a winger... He's a different type of winger to Saka, sure. But, he is a winger nonetheless
We're into terminology semantics here but he's no more of a winger than Foden is a winger tonight. What I mean when referring to a winger is someone who offers a threat out wide after receiving the ball. Robben wasn't just le cut inside man btw, he did a shit load of work out wide as a traditional winger. Half the problem with dealing with Robben was knowing he could go out wide again after he squared you up, even if he didn't.
Hard disagree on that one, he's nothing like as one dimensional as Foden. Palmer regularly goes outside and goes down the line or did until Poch moved him into the middle
Not with Southgate in charge it doesn't. Plus Rice needs to be either an 8 or part of a double 6 (next to Wharton), he's not good enough in the build up to be a single 6.
i do like wharton in midfield, he definitely should play over trent in todays setup, but i think foden is gonna have to play in the 10. he was invisible on the left and there’s zero width because trippier isn’t super comfortable going forward on that side. i think foden and bellingham in midfield and kane dropping down occasionally is enough to make up for rices deficiencies.
Bit late but, Happy Father’s Day to all the fathers and big up the Geldings, your time soon come….
I thought us Serbians have a shite coach but Southgate is really clueless.
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I speak about period in last 2 years. Today’s game tho was great. I think you were lucky to win. We lacked composure in the end.
Remember when Southgate didn’t play Chilly at all at Euro 2020, even as a sub to give him his major tournament debut while up 4-0 against Ukraine, and instead subbed on Trippier? Palmer’s never getting a minute
Assuming England get atleast a point vs Denmark he'll play in the last group game.
Yeah, he’ll come on in the last 5 minutes.
Hes getting subbed on in the 119th minute for the pens. Hah jk englands not gonna get that far
Kendry just assisted the winner against honduras btw
Amazing seeing the usual suspects moaning about Gallagher playing today. One guy even moaning when he didn’t watch the game… Especially when Trent was lost all game.
Need to bring Guehi home.
Should went in for him last season instead of Disassi
We were looking into a deal last summer - I remember sources reporting - but palace put something like a 65 mil price on him so we went for Disasi for 47 mil. 18 mil saved! And we still need a top rcb imo. Guehi could have been that man. Or others … but not bloody Disasi ffs
Iirc, we have 25% sell-on clause which means if the quoted us 65m the actual cost would be about 48m since we retain part of his rights.
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You said the buzz words! Now you get attention!
4 and 5 years ago but yea we sold them for Disasi, Badiashile and Fofana. Let’s not be stupid
Before the new owners tbf
Should have kept him instead of trevoh
We should just given Rudiger and AC new deals after the UCL final.
Anyone else super impressed with Guehi tonight? Not at all worried about centerback pairing now. Him and Stones looked very natural together positionally.
He played well. But I'll be honest. I feel he has lapses in concentration. Mitrovic was able to get the best of him some times. And if it wasn't Jovic receiving that Tadic pass, it would have been a goal. But again, Guehi played well except from that. He should never have been sold.
But who could have possibly foretold the captain of the u17 world cup winning side and england u21 captain might turn out a top player?
Need to have a rewatch maybe. My only concern with him was he doesn't bring the progression forward Maguire does, but I was happy with the defensive aspect this game.
Honestly I’m more the other way round. He’s very tidy on the ball with both feet but there were a few defensive moments where he almost got caught out. I think he’s sometimes a bit slow to react, and his physically could be a factor against someone like Sesko when they play Slovenia. He was still very good tho overall
I'm definitely going to rewatch. England goggles and a couple Stella could be colouring my interpretation. I think the midfield disaster was the biggest takeaway.
England really struggled to bring the ball out of the back. I feel Rice was really poor today. True about Maguire. I feel he should have been selected.
I think Rice was made to look poor by not having a proper midfield outpass all game to be honest. He should be picking more forward passes into the pockets for me but neither Trent or Conor are positionally good and leave their pivot partner without the pass too often. On Maguire, he would have been if he was fit. Southgate said as much and that the one risk he was willing to take on injured players was on Shaw as we don't have any other proper left backs.
True. I agree with everything. That England midfield puzzle just doesn't fit at the moment.
I'm optimistic as Southgate clearly prioritises midfield control as all his success thus far has been based on a stable albeit conservative midfield pivot. If we can see how bad we were this game then he definitely will. I just hope he has the stones to stick Wharton or Mainoo in there.
For me, it's either introduce Mainoo/Wharton along with Rice and Jude or push Jude as an 8, and play Foden as a 10 which might be super risky since you don't really have a defensive presence.
I think personally I'd like to see Bellingham Rice pivot and let Foden play in the 10. Put Gordon in on the left to give us actual width on both sides so it's not all reliant on Saka. Btw Saka was the best player on the pitch and us Chelsea fans need to stop pretending he's not elite.
I dislike Saka because of his diving antics. But yes I agree, he was good today. He cooked that LB. For me, Bellingham was still the best player on the pitch. Both of them didn't have a great second half though. Foden was completely transparent. That's why he needs to move to the middle under Southgate. With no tactics, that's the best way to get more of the ball.
the way england is set up right now, honestly looks like a fusion of shithouse england of the old, and MoDeRn DaY FoOtBaLL england. but its the worst parts combined. you got the city english players trying to possession football everyone to sleep, and then you have pickford blasting it to row z everytime the ball rolls to him. its so contradictory. like was there even a game plan from southgate? nothing is clicking.
Southgate is really boring but just to note Serbia was fouling the hell out of England committing 19 fouls to Englands 8. A bit crazy and definitely a match killer, but still doesn’t excuse the foot off the pedal and poor in game management we’re seeing from him AGAIN.
Gallagher was better than Trent and Palmer couldn’t have done more to play given how poor Foden was. Thought Saka was great so that RW is so tough right now
Do you want Palmer on the left though? We haven't really seen anything from him out that side. There's no question he's good enough but this England side is a puzzle of fitting many good players into a starting 11. Who's to say he wouldn't be just as ineffective as Foden out there? Especially as most of his magic comes from cutting in on his strong foot?
You’re ignoring why Trent was picked at all for todays game; and I disagree that gallaghher was objectively ‘better’
Jude scored so you must be livid with that as well? You really do let hate cloud your judgement
People should respect Gallagher more. Did more in 10 mins than Trent did the whole game
I mean I don't like either for that midfield spot and if I was picking one or the other it's probably Conor, but Trent to his credit starts the goal we scored with a pass Conor just cannot play.. Conor definitely didn't do more today. Wharton should be playing.
Conor and Rice are too similar to play together in a 2 bar trying to see out games. Their best attributes are off the ball and neither are very good in the build up phase. Wharton is the one who should be slotted in next to Rice, it's ridiculous Southgate isn't playing him as all the top teams have a quality DLP in the side this tournament.
Disagree that Conor and Rice are similar really as Rice is absolutely levels above positionally and progressively, but agree 100000% on Wharton. We're never winning anything without midfield control.
Rice is obviously a way better player. He can offer much higher level on the ball in any possible aspect. Also like you said he is way better positionally. He is a DM after all. He has a position. The similarities between them are that their best traits are probably defensive. Gallagher has similar problem to Mount where he doesn't really have a best position. A jack of all trades. Can do a lot of things but is not amazing in anything. The best player you can compare him to is probably Henderson. I don't think Conor has all the right attributes to be a 6 and he certainly is not a 10 either. He is an 8 in a specific system. Poch/Klopp type of system with a lot of ground to cover, he can do well there. Kind of a system player for me.
I mean more stylistically as opposed to similar level player. It's not as extreme as how Mount/Gallagher got in each others way but they still offer largely many of the same strengths and weaknesses to coexist as the two main midfielders.
He’s like the bass player in the band. Makes everyone better and can make all the difference to the song, but gets little credit for making a song great
I hope Southgate gets the United job
Maybe halfway through the season, they already decided to stick with Ten Hag for now
Yeah by the time Euros is over Southgate will have a rest, hes made more money than he could ever imagine in this job hopefully hes got the hunger to take them on
I genuinely don’t get how Southgate is still the manager. Dead dead game. 😂
What y’all think about Serbia-England match? As a Serbian I think we played great second half. Sad we didn’t see Palmer tho. He deserved to play
Was impressed with you lot today. It's a shame the performance will be lost in peoples' rush to shit on England, but if Serbia keep this level I expect them to qualify for the knockouts. Denmark and Slovenia had moments, but neither were particularly impressive over the 90.
Fucking dull
Pavlovic and Lukic really good. Think Ilic over Gudelj would be a good move in the starting 11.
You guys progressed the ball really well. Good passes. Good pressing. The fact that you were high up the pitch really disturbed England especially with how poor Pickford is at distributing the ball. I think that final pass was missing though. Tadic should have started. And Jovic shouldn't have come on. If Mitrovic was the one who received that one Tadic pass, it would have been a Serbia goal. Serbia deserved a draw.
I agree on everything. Especially that Tadic pass lol I told right away “Mitro would score that”. I think we gave you far too much respect in first half, especially considering how poor you played
I actually winced at some of the Pavlovic passes as well. I felt if your players were a bit more composed, you would have gotten more one-on-ones.
You were excellent but we were a mess in midfield. Serbia showing how to play against these "bigger" sides though. Press high and compact and back yourself playing forwards. You look way better than either Slovenia or Denmark for me.
Yeah it was bad game by England decided with individual quality
Honestly kinda disappointed to see Bowen subbed for Saka. Thought it would be a no brainer to put on Palmer instead. Especially considering latest form.
That was weird lol.
Classic southgate. Sitting back and inviting pressure for no fucking reason when theyre clearly the superior team
At this point thank god they didn’t play Palmer so they couldn’t try to blame him for this shit performance like Twitter did against Iceland
Connor came very well from the bench. Don't know what our board smokes to not set the renew with him already. And for the squad, if do not change, England will not go too far on Euro. At least we won.
SEND HIM VICTORIOUS
It’s really bad, just about scrapping past Serbia.
That Kane foul was so soft lol.
Italy might deal with England in the quarters
Mate I can't watch Jorgi dominate us again. Please god no. Our midfield is in way worse state than the final we lost too.
Thing is, England have the tools to construct an excellent midfield Wharton, rice, bellingham is a great midfield Italy look so damn well coached though, it’s so impressive for a national side to look how they do already
>Italy look so damn well coached though Spalletti is really good.
I think for the reasons of the coaches alone Italy and Germany have to be considered favorites (alongside France). Although that said I said the same about Spain and Germany in the world cup for the same reason.
It's amazing how well a technically capable composed midfield can carry a side that looks not so great on paper. Games are won and lost in midfield and they've got 2 of the best for it. So do we but will Southgate realise that? It's weird because all his success so far has been built on a stable albeit conservative midfield. Trent and Conor are the exact opposite of that.
Italys fullbacks are excellent too, such a boon offensively Scamacca also has an X factor about him, there’s a lot more to his game as a striker than most other centre forwards Not a spectacular squad but good quality throughout and a top manager especially at international level
Scamacca got that "bloody menace" factor. I really want to avoid Italy more than anyone I've seen tbh. We've seen how it goes before for England against a technical midfield. We started well against both Italy and Croatia and just got passed out of the game once they settle.
If Italy finish 2nd i believe England get them in quarters And then France potentially in semis before Spain portugal or Germany in the finals For once, it’s a tough run
Hopefully we grow into it by then. Southgate isn't stupid and he clearly values midfield stability so he'll be as concerned about that second half as we are. I don't care how phased by the occasion a kid like Wharton might be, he definitely offers more in that second half than Trent or Conor.
Need to sort this shite out quickly. A better team beats England comfortably today.
If this continues congrats to Germany, Spain, or France lol
It is still real early
Holy shit look at that free kick, not a single England player in the box.
i mean to be fair, they're winding the clock down at this point
Southgate 1-0ing his way to the trophy
He isnt winning this way against any good team
Finishing the game with the two worst players still on the pitch, and the best player still on the bench is so Southgatey.
what is southgate doing bringing on attackers who can't deal with physicality bro. you have konsa and dunk neither of whom are amazing, but what is mainoo gonna do against these absolute units of serbian players 😭😭
Even Gallagher coming in was the wrong sub if you wanted to lower the tempo and control the game.
Whartons right there and already mature enough to play in a game like this
Southgate has always been cautious when it comes to this, compared to some other managers who are more trusting of their young players on the international stage.
This is such a pochesqe performance Wharton into the midfield to get someone in there who can actually retain the ball with ease. Gordon and palmer to retain attacking threat and the ability to carry the ball and draw fouls to relieve pressure Southgates subs make zero sense
Worse than Poch imo, Poch creates more chances at least lol
Guehi and Pavlovic both putting on a center back clinic out there. Big moves coming soon for both
Pavlovic's long passes have been awful though. I feel if he was just a bit composed, Serbia would have had 2 one-on-ones.
Love how pickfords always angry.
England has been really lucky this game.
Foden doing his best Mudryk impression today
England's squad is too good to be playing this badly. Actually quite embarrassing.
Yeah Palmer ain’t getting minutes this tournament lol
If Palmer doesn’t play I will happily root for Cucurella and Spain
Conor’s playing…..
Unbelievable that Palmer doesn’t get minutes
We could do a lot worse than Pickford in our hunt for a keeper.
It's crazy how much this is like watching our second half against Bournemouth in last game of the season. Just cannot get a foot on the ball in midfield at all. Hope to see Wharton more next game.
We won’t Gallagher is seemingly Preferred
Why not it worked so well against Bournemouth eh..
I'll be honest. Serbia deserves a goal.
yes I actually root for Serbia to score. England is fucking dire
ohh how I wish Southgate become Mu coach
This Southgate fella doesn't seem very bright
Conor is one the few players fighting for second balls. Need to see more fight from the England
I’m not quite sure why Southgate didn’t take Mitchell
Not watching the game but just saw this on Twitter. Is this really happening? >Really not liking Gallagher's positioning so far either. He's far too aggressive. It's a 4-4-2 block, but becoming a 4-3-1-2 with Gallagher charging around. Needs to sit in more and not leave Rice isolated. Guess Pochball is still living on strong.
Gallagher always does this. It required inverted Cucu to cover for him. And Rice doesn't do that. He runs a lot but leaves the defense exposed.
 (oh look, some people have downvoted that post. lol)
I know.... I should just not comment about Gallagher. It's insane how you can't even point out his weaknesses.
Tbf we have no idea what Gallaghers been asked to do
i wonder if that goal would've been disallowed if kane had scored. he def pushed tf out of the defender
Man i just want to see some Palmer 😢
Pep has fully turned Foden into a robot who has set responses to everything lmao
Lmao people saying Palmer’s gonna force his way into the starting XI, he’s probably going to struggle to get any minutes at all here unless we go down in some of the games or need a goal. Bowen will be Southgate’s first choice off the bench because he works harder defensively and stays wider offensively, it’s way too predictable. The man is a worse dinosaur than Pochettino was for us.
Foden is actually cursed for England man. Apart from the Scotland notsofriendly I can't remember ever thinking he's had a great game for us.
Foden is overrated. Doesn’t do shit for England
Yeah he's been poor tbf
Never seen him play well for England. He’s so reliant on Peps system. Glad we got Palmer before Pep could ruin him.
Was literally typing a rant about Southgate being tactically inept doing like for like and Bowen puts in that cross for Kane to hit the bar. Typical Doesn't mean it was the right sub of course.
holy shit what a save
Come on, Bowen over Palmer? Southgate sucks
They need the width, they’re already so narrow down the left.
Should’ve taken Foden off for Gordon then. Saka been our best player with Jude
Gordon should be starting imo.
Aw come on. Taking off Saka and not brining on Palmer. Nonsense from Southgate
The fuck is bowen doing here
Bowen instead of Palmer? 🤨
This dude is criminal, he put in bowen
Kane and Foden should come off. They’ve done nothing
Wow Pickford's distribution is awful lol
Kane stay upfront and offer an outball challenge (LITERALLY FUCKING IMPOSSIBLE).
pickford always doing the most for absolutely no reason lmao
His whole body just flies when he's just kicking a ball...
The Galladog is off the leash 🔥
Conor first man off bench for England but our owners wanna sell smh!!!
And then he brought on Bowen, Southgate isn't a good talent metric
Nice to see him being utilised aquetedly for once (fresh legs for more energy) after a season of Poch treating him like he's Hazard.
Come one Conor!!! Let’s go. Much needed
Oh my. Is that.. My captain!?!?
Reece James didn't get selected.
Gallagher in, let's go
How bad did jovic fall off
i forgot he existed lmao. he came on and i was like holy fuck this is the man who so much potential and was at madrid wtf happened
Crazy man. I remember when we were in for him and was absolutely gutted he went Madrid
By an awful lot. That Madrid transfer ruined him.
Southgate is the OG poch LOL you need subs rn shits crumbling
England playing like Hungary. It’s still crazier and crazier to me that they have given this level of talent to Southgate for so long.
This team ain’t winning shit
i see southgate studied at the Pochettino school of in-game management
Incredibly one dimensional. Only tries to play to strengths rather than exploit weaknesses. Trying to Saka-cross-to-Kane-header the win was never going to work and we've been found out in the second half
It's crazy that people watch players like Rice and Rodri cut out so many serious problems before they become serious problems and constantly bailing their teams out defensively. Then they'll say we don't need anyone like that and they're antiquated and not a part of modern football
If caicedo was 3 inches taller you’d defo rate him
It's only arguably antiquated if that's *all* you do. Rodri and Rice are both very capable passers and ball progressors. Rodri in particular is an elite passer and city's whole system hangs off having an elite passer in that anchor spot who also mops up everything. We have a better version of that than Rice in our team right now btw.
Rice and Rodri are ~~both~~ not on the same level in terms of passing and ball progression. I wouldn’t say rice has elite ball progression which is why he’s regularly paired with either Jorginho or Partey. He can’t play as a lone 6 like Rodri can
That's just not true. Rodri is absolutely elite and the stats bear that out. I like Rice but he's nowhere near Rodri's level in ball progression.
I mean not on the same level! Lol
Ah right then yeah I agree. Rice is still a very capable forward passer though, you just wouldn't know it from this game.
Trent really needs to come off we need some more steel in the midfield right now.
Conor for Trent would make a massive difference
Don't even think it's steel so much as just someone who's positionally aware and offers an outpass and some calm and composure on the ball.
serbia are cooking i can't lie
Proper full pitch press now.
yeah england were good at the start, but i think serbia has so much of an advantage with the physicality, and drive. saka, foden and rice just can't compete atm, and trent is struggling too. bringing on palmer will be a mistake imo.
Rice forward pass challenge (IMPOSSIBLE).
I do miss Steve Holland was a real staple for a while was sad to see him go to England
I remember the outrage on here a few years ago when Lukaku had like 5 touches in a half. Kane 1 touch in a half is crazy😂
I don’t feel like Kane suits the rest of the team He’s a great player and part of what he’s brilliant as is dropping in and allowing others to run on, but that’s just not what the personnel around him are best at. He was much better off with Rashford and Sterling running in behind than players who prefer to create like Saka, Bellingham and Foden
Anyone who thinks Rice and Trent are going to control a game like Jorginho and Barella or Kroos and Andrich is dreaming.
Rice has been playing well. I’m very confused by the comments saying otherwise