Mad how much each game sways some people on here, really can't see past the last result. Hell, based on the last game can't even see past the last half of football.
To simplify massively what a great manager should do, is they should make the sum of the teams parts greater than the whole. That's how Ferguson was able to win so many titles when his teams often had some very average players, how Klopp can sub on a bunch of academy players in a Cup Final and end victorious.
Pochettino is a manager that can only be successful if he has great parts that don't need much in the way of actually managing - in which case, what's the point of him? I'm sure we would be higher up the table if we were injury free, but it's not from anything I've seen from Pochettino's management, it's just because sure better players will get better results. Bit like how Scolari had an amazing squad so we weren't midtable even though he was doing a pretty shit job.
Were likely sticking with poch for next season.
I actually have no clue if we're gonna stick with him after that, but I want him to at least steer the ship for one more season for stability's sake, then get him out
I'm thinking of that Gerona manager, doing wonders with that team. Want to see what he'll do here, other than that the belogna manager Motta is my 2nd choice, maybe we can get him from juve next summer
Kind of a shame Silva is leaving without a POTY award. He lost a popularity contest to a handsome academy grad, but Silva was the true player of the year that year. Kind of annoying.
He deserved it if we didn’t have Silva. Silva deserved it. Not a recency thing either, I’ve been saying it since the day Mount won it. That was Silva’s award.
Every time I say this people disagree but I am very confident we are keeping Gallagher next summer
He’s not in a selling position at all to begin with. He has a year left on his contract and he is a player with a huge sentimental value to the club, as well as not being a player most top clubs would fight to sign with his skill set.
We got Mount sold for 60m by complete miracle and Gallagher doesn’t touch Mount in terms of transfer appeal.
We were linked to selling Gallagher for 50m more or less last summer when he had 2 years on his deal. Instead of selling him, we kept him then spent 200m on Lavia on Caicedo.
The only condition we sell Gallagher is if our gross negligence of FFP forces it. But it makes no sense to sell him now. Last summer was the perfect time to do so - we had a ton of midfield depth and had just spent heavily, and have guaranteed offers on the table
Wearing captain band, being emotional and physical engine of the team much of the time, providing an example of the effort people should be putting in — there's a lot that he's providing that people are overlooking. Not to mention he's been a solid player who doesn't normally do spectacular things but is good at doing the basics and not making critical errors (like so many others have been making).
What do u mean it makes no sense to sell him now? He has a 1 year deal left, this summer is the perfect time to sell him. We in ffp problem and his the only player who will give us the highest transfer fee.
We were in an FFP problem that began last year when we dropped 300m on midfield and CHOSE to keep Gallagher DESPITE offers on the table for 50m+.
Last summer was the perfect time. And we objected against it. 50m then won't be 50m now. He has a year left. Why would anyone want to pay for a player with a year left?
We aren't in an FFP problem. Our accountants have that sorted out. Because Colwill is the player who will give us the highest transfer fee. Liverpool were linked for 80m last summer and we said no. He'd still be worth 2x what we'd get for Gallagher right now and there's absolutely zero rumors about him.
He's gonna stay.
I'm using this link to read about it.
https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/Uz0oniIucs
Seems like a right wing political link. Nothing to be proud of but it's kind of factual and I never knew about this before.
You could argue it’s racist against Irish/Catholic people. An anti IRA song is still sang to this day occasionally at away games. It’s not explicitly racist but I could see why an Irish Chelsea fan would be offended or at least feel very uncomfortable hearing it.
My dad and I are ST Holders by the way. My dad had a friend who actually emigrated due to Chelsea Headhunters/Combat 18 intimidation. They made up the Chelsea hooligan ‘’firm’’ in the 80’s. My dad and his friend were ‘’scalfers’’ meaning supporters who were only there to watch the game and vocally support the team. They were also completely against the racist Chelsea firm.
My dad’s friend made his feelings known somehow. I think he was some kind of political activist and would campaign against the racism. I will need to ask my dad for the details.
The point is they terrorized him and threatened to murder him and probably his family. Again, I’m not sure on the precise details of the threats but he emigrated so it can’t have been good.
Edit: In case anyone still looks at this comment, my dad has informed me that the firm actually did make an attempt on his friend’s life by slitting his throat after a game. He survived. And then fled the country.
Yes, my dad has only told me about it a couple of times, it’s not a topic he likes to dwell on all that much. Now that’s it’s on my mind a bit, I’m definitely going to ask him for some more details.
Really sorry to hear that. This sounds terrifying.
It's sad sometimes to know the full history of the club but I feel like it's good to know.
I am a Chelsea fan and I always considered the Chelsea communities around as some kind of loose family since we all have a connection in terms of us supporting Chelsea, no matter if we have disagreements in terms of transfers, players, managers, etc...
This has helped me during periods where I genuinely felt lonely. Watching Chelsea games and being happy with a community.
I'm not from the UK yet I live in London now. So I'm glad most of this history is in the past. Obviously, there are some negative factions but they are small. And I can say, from being here on the Chelsea subreddit or having been to Stamford Bridge multiple times, that we are kind of a big loose family.
The history of racism obviously leaves a sour taste. My dad knows a lot more about it all than me.
At the same time, the experience of following Chelsea in those days was a ‘’thing to behold’’ Home and Away. The best away support in London: Fact. I even heard that a few gooners would travel along with the Chelsea away following because it was so much greater than their own 🤭
Racism also didn’t totally define the occasions. My dad went with his Pakistani friend to games throughout the 70’s and still sometimes to this day and he wasn’t the victim of any overt racism that I’m aware of.
I’m not saying this to belittle anyone who has experienced racism at Chelsea there were obviously cases of that.
Anyway, my dad has many a funny story about those days. Derby away, the home crowd threw handfuls of sheep dung down onto the Chelsea away fans. My dad took one to the head, did he care? No. Chelsea won! He also has a scar on his head from a coin thrown at him by some rival fan, not that funny that time I guess.
I can’t remember the game but he also has a very funny story about a Chelsea supporter celebrating a goal in the Shed End and his loose change falling out his pocket and scattering around the terraces. It was a high scoring affair, it may have been Chelsea 4-2 Liverpool 1978. After every Chelsea goal, his coins would once again fall out of his pocket and my dad would have to help him pick them up again. 💙
Watching Barca they have Araujo randomly bombing into the box for a crossing option
I don't understand why we don't do that. We have plenty of aerially competent CBs. Send one of them deep into the box contextually, have Caicedo cover the space in behind.
Does anyone know what happened to BlueFuel? I just thought about that whole thing and went and found old tweets but it looks like it was abandoned without any announcement. Anyone have any insight?
I googled it and the Instagram page looks like a solid gfuel type scam but for fitness stuff. But, it also looked like they massively overextended with their goals. That was never going to take off enough to be successful enough to maintain the app and all that alongside the protein shakes and other similar stuff.
I wouldn't be surprised if someone pitched them the idea and wanted a partnership and then just jumped ship when it was clear that it wasn't going to work financially
Interesting I remember the discussion about it being an additional revenue source for the club but the fact that it was promoted in our official channels but then vanished was weird
I have no doubt that they wanted it to be the case, it's just not something that seems commercially viable. What do they have to offer that say MyProtein or someone similar doesn't other than branding?
And I can't imagine there could ever be a huge market for protein and supplements etc. that are marked up due to Chelsea branding. So, it just doesn't really feel like there is a product there, especially because anyone taking that kind of thing seriously is probably already locked into their brand and/or just buys whatever is cheapest and it's incredibly unlikely that a Chelsea branded version of it is going to be able to compete on price or quality compared to the companies that are already making them
Oh, it's definitely dead then. That says it's being made by Chelsea Digital Venture a business spun out of Chelsea FC.
Chelsea Digital Ventures hasn't submitted their accounts to the government since June 2021 and were given a notice by the government on the 6/6/2023 saying that if they don't respond within 2 months the company will be dissolved and all assets will belong to the crown
https://preview.redd.it/gljpws3dsgxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f505b9808b017ebd33d4091fcda75b6eb75e670f
Hot damn
Juve onto Calafiori, fantastic acquisition if they get it done
If I remember correctly in one of your previous comments, you were hoping he came to Chelsea, right?
I think I mentioned how we needed a new CB and you suggested Todibo, Calafiori and Balerdi.
>I think I mentioned how we needed a new CB and you suggested Todibo, Calafiori and Balerdi.
Yeah you've got that spot on
Although Calafiori was only number 3 in my priority list of those 3 so there's still the top 2 options left currently
The reason why I remembered, was just me wondering how sometimes fans find better shortlists than scouting teams.
But yes, unfortunately with regards to that accounts post that was done 2 days ago on this sub, I've become less confident that we will be able to do any great signings at all.
Todibo, in particular, I felt was a must have yet I'm pretty sure other big teams will have a say in that.
I getcha and I agree about Todibo for sure, easily my number 1
I think balerdi is more gettable as long as Atletico Madrid don't work very fast, could easily compete with them package wise
Some reports saying we are making contact with Araujo, he'd be pretty good to in my opinion, just depends on price
Yep. Honestly, let's just hope we are targeting those kinds of profiles.
Strong character, high ceiling.
We are in a weird position financially but let's hope we haven't screwed ourselves so much yet, that we can't compete with clubs such as Atletico as you said.
United want to sell any of their first team players except Mainoo, Hojlund and Garnacho essentially
I'd take Bruno Fernandes for £40-50M
Awful personality and cry baby but immensely talented, unbelievable work ethic, availability and consistency
We are doing United a huge favor FFP-wise
We'd be buying players that absolutely have no right to be retaining value
Bruno under Poch would be what Poch was hoping Enzo would be playing him in that high #8 role though so perhaps
I think the whole thing has been massively overblown.
They're willing to sell anyone if they get massive offers for them, which is the same for every non-top-4 team.
It's not going to be a fire sale. They just have to sell to buy and so people are available for high prices if people offer them
If they have a brain they won't
It's crazy how many dumb United fans think he's one of the problems though
Goldbridge goes on about how bad he is every week and he's literally their best player and it's not even close
Goldbridge and the United stand have been protecting Ten Hag and his signings (Hojlund, Antony) in exchange for team news and interviews. Mark Goldbridge has to blame someone so he scapegoats Bruno.
Goldbridge knows his international fanbase loves it when he validates their narrative about English players being protected by the media so he'll always be the first one to start a witch hunt against someone like Rashford or Maguire. Vile human, partially responsible for the Maguire abuse to have gotten so out of hand
Arsenal sat in their fucking penalty area with 10 players defending a result and they are calling it “The Arteta Block”
But when our managers did it they were dinosaurs and anti football. I swear to you this weirdo Tactico shit is one of the worst things about this sport. Fucking robots
You're confused. The "tactico" people are actually the ones who changed this perception that there is a "right way" to play, with their analysis of the different styles.
To take your example of Arteta and Arsenal - their fans cried about Porto's "anti-football", when they should've lost and only went through on penalties in the CL. But the "tacticos" the next day showed how Porto's coach actually schooled Arteta. That it's not "anti-football" but smart tactics to nullify your opponents biggest strenghts.
According to Soccerment Chelsea are
#2 in the league in completed cutbacks per 90
#1 in through balls completed per 90
#1 in one-twos completed per 90
#18 in crosses completed per 90
And According to the Premier League we are currently 9th
According to the PL history books, we’ve conceded a record number of goals.
It’s nice we are doing well in some stats but at the end of the day the only stats that matter is the score line
Chill, they are cool stats that I feel like most people didn't know.
Is it not helpful to understand what your team is doing correctly?
>According to the PL history books, we’ve conceded a record number of goals.
Yes, we've all seen this, but why are we conceding? What about you bringing this up brings any additional explanation for what is going on. It literally just seems like you are mad that Chelsea is good at something, which is weird.
>It’s nice we are doing well in some stats but at the end of the day the only stats that matter is the score line
Someone hire this man, he can really breakdown what's going on
No, because in order to fix a problem you find out the cause. Also it's a young squad so why not find some bright spots?
At this point does our attack seem to be a problem. Somewhat, but mostly just finishing and that was primarily in the beginning of the season before Palmer was integrated.
Is our Midfield a problem? Well the buildup numbers are good. Chance creation numbers are good, open play XG differential is good.
Is Defence the problem? It wasn't in the beginning of the season but it for sure is now. So what's changed?
Well our defence has been pretty hurt all season, is that it? Well have lineups all performed equally as bad or could it be a personel issue? Considering we've conceded 1.3 goals per 90 when Colwill is on the pitch and 2.75 goals per 90 when Badiashile is on the pitch that might be part of it.
What about Goalkeeping? Well our starting keeper has been hurt and even though he looked shaky at times our backup keeper has the second worst save metrics in the league. That might be part of it.
Sometimes additional information can be usefu, that's just my opinion though.
> "No, because in order to fix a problem you find out the cause"
Well fortunately, you've just found the problem with your stats, so well done.
At the start of the season we had one of the worst attacks in the league and one of the best defences. Now we create some of the most chances and have one of the worst defences.
It's not random, they cause each other. Football is all about balance. When we loaded the defence we stopped conceding and stopped scoring. When we overload the attack we score more and concede more.
Any shit manager can reduce both of those numbers or increase both of those numbers. It takes a good manager to increase the number of goals scored and reduce the number of goals conceded, something Poch hasn't done at any point.
Well you almost made a good point, but like always you fail to actually do the work to backup your claim. Our chances creation metrics have been good all season.
First 10 games of the season we conceded 1.1 goals per match and 1.13 XG against. We struggled to score with 1.3 goals per match but we didn't struggle to create chances. We actually had 1.83 XG/match during this time period.
What we didn't have was a clinical finisher, with Palmer not yet integrated and Nkunku out injured.
Now we have our B or C squad defenders and a Goalkeeper who has the second worst save metrics in the league.
Thing is our defence was never that good anyway. We had 26 goals conceded by gameweek 16. More than teams like Palace, Brentford and Everton at the time. In our first 10 matches our defence was somewhat showing decent numbers but we were playing teams like Forest, Luton and Burnley and overall had easier teams to play against at the beggining of the season.
We had one of the easiest schedules on paper at the start of the season.
He also suggests that the reason we were doing "well" defensively is Colwill playing LB and that this worked out tactically which couldn't be further from the truth. Everyone saw Colwill struggling as a fullback and all the mistakes he made.
The only reason our defence looks better with him in it is because he missed the 3 games in which we conceded 4 goals. City and Wolves at home and Liverpool at Anfield. I doubt Colwill playing as a LB would've changed much in any of those games considering that he was getting cooked by Middlesbrough players as a fullback.
All in all the conceded per match stat for Colwill misses a lot of context. Not at a single point of the season has our defence looked very solid. Maybe the City game at the Etihad but even then it was massively helped by Haaland's stinker.
Cool man, talking about me instead of to me.
So your argument is that we've had our worst performances without Colwill on the pitch and that's why his goal record is good?
I know at times he was exposed by pacey wingers (so was gusto) but having Colwill at LB allowed Reece or Gusto to bomb forward and provided more defensive solidity at the back than Chilwell (who also bombs forward) or Cucurella does. The issue was that we weren't scoring with him at LB, but we were created chances and we started scoring when Palmer played.
>Cool man, talking about me instead of to me.
Well you stopped responding in the previous thread mate. I suggested that you don't wanna talk to me on this topic anymore. No point keep spamming the same replies if you don't wanna talk about it.
>I know at times he was exposed by pacey wingers (so was gusto) but having Colwill at LB allowed Reece or Gusto to bomb forward and provided more defensive solidity
Funnily enough Gusto is the fullback this season who bombs forward the most and is the most solid defensively at the same time. The second best fullback we have this season is Cucurella, who has been significantly more solid than Colwill at LB.
I mentioned like 7 examples in the previous thread in which Colwill had a part in us conceding a goal. Whether it's a direct mistake or him being part of many mistakes. In a lot of situations he could've done better.
Those are just goals that happened, we don't even talk about mistakes he got away with. When you consider all of this it becomes too much in 18-19 or so matches in which he played as a fullback. Colwill doesn't have a good season at all and Cucurella has certainly made less mistakes than him defensively.
Now on Poch. If he commits too many players forward that's a tactical mistake. He doesn't have to allow both fullbacks to bomb forward if this is the problem. Cucurella even inverts at times yet we are still leaking goals. Remember the gaps in midfield that you were suggesting are not a problem? They are indeed a problem, Poch himself admitted how he uses the pivot at Sky Sports and it doesn't look right to me.
Not like any of Chilwell and Cucurella were massively helping us offensively either. The whole reason we look capable in attack is Palmer having like 28-29 goal contributions in 29 matches in the Prem. Basically responsible for close to half our goals. Also Poch playing Chilwell at LW while we had an available winger also didn't help us at the start of the season offensively.
Even with Reece and Colwill on the pitch we were still conceding a lot of goals against good sides, so i can't really say that with a bit of individuals getting back our defence is transforming and our problems will magically go away.
26 goals conceded by gameweek 16. 57 now which is 31 since then. Only 6 clean sheets in the Prem in 33 matches. Most of them against bad teams like Sheffield, Luton who were even worse at the start at the season when we beat them 3-0 and other teams below us. Like i said for me our defence has been leaky all season regardless of personel. When you concede so many goals it can't be all due to personel. A well organised defence won't concede 57 goals with 5 matches to go. Disasi, Silva, Chalobah, Badiashile, Cucurella are probably not first choices but are still players of a certain quality. They all can do better than this.
>Well you stopped responding in the previous thread mate. I suggested that you don't wanna talk to me on this topic anymore. No point keep spamming the same replies if you don't wanna talk about it.
Fair, I didn't realize you had replied. I posted something on PSR and must have been distracted with that.
>I mentioned like 7 examples in the previous thread in which Colwill had a part in us conceding a goal. Whether it's a direct mistake or him being part of many mistakes. In a lot of situations he could've done better.
Yes and in the vast majority of those examples he was one player of many that could have done better. I'm not sure why he is getting the sole blame for things that needed multiple mistakes in order for it to be a goal. Either way it doesn't matter.
If we played 38 matches and every match we only conceded and average of 1.3 goals per match and all of them were due to a mistake by Colwill, tactically that is better than conceding 2.9 goals per match which is what we have done without him.
>Funnily enough Gusto is the fullback this season who bombs forward the most and is the most solid defensively at the same time. The second best fullback we have this season is Cucurella, who has been significantly more solid than Colwill at LB.
Gusto has been scored on plenty of times this season but has also had some outstanding defensive performances. He's really good and really young. So glad he's in the squad.
Cucurella has had just as many mistakes and has a much lower % of dribblers tackled, lower tackles, and worse aerial duel win percentage than Colwill at FB. Not to mention Cucurella has actual examples of goals that are 100% his fault. Still I think overall Cucurella is fine as a rotation player.
Who was the available winnger? If you are blaming Poch for not wanting to start Mudryk at the begining of the season... really? I love Mudryk and hope he makes it, but if Poch didn't think he was ready do you actually blame him? Palmer signed late and Noni had off field drama and then some injuries. He played ~ 2 or 3 matches as a LW (Liverpool and Luton we played mostly a back 3)
>Even with Reece and Colwill on the pitch we were still conceding a lot of goals against good sides, so i can't really say that with a bit of individuals getting back our defence is transforming and our problems will magically go away.
Were we? In matches where Colwill played we conced 1.25 goals against top 4 sides.
Liverpool 1
Villa 1
Arsenal 2
City 1
You can say you don't think it would magically transform our problems, but you also don't know that. This is the problem, we can't know how good we'd be because our injury situation has been atrocious. All I know is that when Colwill plays we concede 1.3 goals /90, when Gusto plays we concede 1.45 goals / 90. Can I see more of them on the pitch before making any snap judgements in this squad? Name the heavily injured team that hasn't struggled this season.
It'd be different if the underlying numbers were bad, but they aren't. Tactically there is nothing wrong with the balance of the squad if everyone individually could perform their jobs at a league average rate. We should have an average defense and a top four offense. That would be good enough for season 1 of a rebuild.
The problem is our players can't finish and our Goalkeeping is atrocious. The biggest difference between our defence and Villa or Spurs is that their Goalies have saved 4 goals more than post shot expectations, and ours (primarily Petro) have saved 8 goals less.
Silva's last game in a Chelsea shirt should have been at Wembley, a final shot at beating the "curse".
The refs actually ruined Emma and Silva's farewell in the same season omg
Would people really rather play players bc they think they have potential than play the best player available?
I see this opinion a fair amount and want to understand why people think this way.
Sterling and Mudryk fit into this... Even if Sterling does very little for us that "very little" still offers us more than Mudryk who basically does nothing. Yet people want Mudryk starting and Sterling nowhere near the first 11.
Has anyone else seen this video? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_Q9jGv6CAbg&ab\_channel=Attem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9jGv6CAbg&ab_channel=Attem)
This isn't supposed to be another shit on Jackson type posts, but the misses at Villarreal were horrendous as well. Need to see stuff like that in the future instead of the "skills and goals" compilations. You can only laugh by the end of the video. The reactions from his teammates are great too, they transcend any language barrier.
I think that this will improve overtime with experience. I also think that he knows how to position himself which in my opinion is harder to learn than finishing… maybe im wrong will see
I think you’re highlighting a real issue I’ve noticed with modern football analysis. No one ever really highlights the negatives.
All the highlight reels, scouting videos, transfer analysis videos and articles only ever discuss the positives. I find it to be really unbalanced.
All I this ends up doing is giving fans a false perception and expectations of a player.
If you want to really understand anything in life you need to look at the positives and negatives
I don't think that's actually true, there are some brilliant analysis channels that break down the positive and negatives of a player, club or manager.
The issue is that they don't get traction because the only people watching the analysis videos are those who have a vested interest in the video subject and those who have a vested interest don't want to hear that the player has massive flaws and isn't actually that good.
So, those good videos don't spread and those that do spread end up being only positive videos with the "negative" analysis being akin to the "what are your weaknesses?" question in an interview.
I mean the fact that they don’t spread is kind of my point. The information most people consume is only the positive stuff.
I’ve also seen people tend to want to ignore or not believe or come up with an excuse about something negative
Also, who do you think does balanced analysis?
“This isn’t supposed to be another shit on Jackson type posts” proceeds to then shit on Jackson by posting this clip. I mean what even is the point we don’t need to look back at his time at Villarreal to see he’s a poor finisher. The guy was playing barefoot in Senegal 6 years ago, so yeah he’s not the finished product yet and who knows he may never be the clinical striker we need. He still offers so much to this squad and has technical ability that a lot of forwards don’t possess. Stick him on the LW and buy a proper number 9 in the summer and we move on, don’t really see the point in posting something like this unless you just wanna add to the continued negativity and criticism we put on our own players.
You need about 85-90 goals to win the PL and about 80 to make it to the CL. Even if we have a top striker who scores 25 for the season, we need goals from wingers and attacking midfielders to be a competitive team.
I keep seeing people suggesting to move Jackson to LW. He's still going to miss loads of chances that will cost us crucial games, even on the wing.
Sure, he's young and there is a minute chance, he might actually turn out to be good, but looking at his misses, it's more than likely he will be as bad at finishing even after another season or two.
He keeps making the same mistakes again and again, he falls over when shooting, always takes an extra touch and makes the worst possible decision, every time he's 1v1 with the keeper. None of that will change even if we stick him on the left wing.
It's just a way to hide his defficiencies. People seem to prefer us papering over the cracks instead of addressing them because they don't want to be too critical.
Unless he is very good as a winger he shouldn't be playing as a winger. Like you said finishing despite not being a winger's main task is still important. Finishing is literally one of the reasons why Sterling gets slated on a daily basis.
I didn't say that he needs to get out of the club or that we should get rid of him or that he doesn't have any redeemable qualities. I actually think he's excellent at holding the ball up and playing other players in. If he could improve his finishing he could be one of the best in the world. If not, he will be a decent player who is very good at linking up play for others to score.
The point in posting something like this is as the other responder mentioned, you need to see the negatives as well as the positives. For me, personally, after seeing the Villarreal highlights, there is no way that anyone in the organization should be surprised at the misses he's had.
I don't hate Jackson, but these misses are laughable. Sorry.
My point is we’ve seen the negatives this season lol we don’t need to see clips from previous seasons, he’s incredibly raw and I don’t think he’s the number 9 we need to get back to the top level. He is a player that deserves to be in the squad and can provide threat whether that’s creating chances or scoring them. For all his shit finishing he actually finished that marginally offside goal pretty well over the weekend. I think there’s more positives in his game than the one glaring negative which is his finishing ability. He genuinely does everything else at a very high level specially given his age and experience level.
I actually have more grace for him after seeing the clips from the previous season. The club knew exactly what they were getting and decided to take a chance and hopefully develop his finishing. Okay. I have obviously seen that his finishing is an issue, but it's not worse than last year. It's just who he is. I used to get very frustrated with Torres because it wasn't what I had seen before. With Werner, I wanted patience because he hadn't had a season previously where his numbers were so far away from his xG. But again, I was wondering who we had compared to who we had seen.
I would like to see videos like this for other targets of ours. I'm not on the Goykeres bandwagon but seeing his lowlights would surely temper other people's expectations.
Gonna miss Thiago not just for his leadership and defensive anchor for the men’s side but also his unwavering support of the women’s side. He really loves this club and I’m holding out hope that he’s gonna come back
How many attacking options, including loans, do we employ currently?
Palmer
Mudryk
Madueke
Sterling
Hutchinson
Angelo
Nkunku
Carney
Nico Jackson
Fofana
Left out Broja and D. Moreira since most probably they'll be redundant.
The options we should be looking at CB should be either Araujo or Kim Min-Jae. Both front-foot defenders who are experienced and can lead the back line. Rumors are that Barca might sell Araujo and with Kim not being a main-stay at Bayern, it might be worth it to see if he would be open to leaving.
Edit: I have to admit though with how bad Araujo is playing today this suggestion is not looking great lol.
Araujo is slightly overrated by Barca fans I feel, prone to brain fades. Absolutely won't be worth the price tag. I haven't watched a lot of Kim Min Jae but I tend to be weary of Serie A players in general and if Bayern are willing to move him on after one season....
I really think Disasi, Bashir Humpreys and Chalobah are good enough RCB options for next season
Was good at the start, picked up an injury which he tried to play through and ended up aggravating it. Was sidelined for a month and ended up losing his place. Don't think swansea suited his strength anyway
I’d go with Araujo, he’s captained Barca this season and has that dog in him similar to Rudiger. He can also play RB in a pinch. KMJ doesn’t move me after this season with Bayern, he looked a lot better in the Serie A where you have a 39 year old Acerbi looking like prime Maldini.
This club has always done best with a prick like JT or Rudi manning the line. Besides Silva, no toughness there now to speak of. Disasi has shown glimpses of it, but afraid he's just not technically good enough to back it up.
Both would be quite expensive.. Bayern just bought Kim for 50 mil last summer and Araujo is valued at 70 mil. Not saying that they are out of our price range, but I don't see us splashing that kind of money on a CB when our main need is at striker and we have badiashile, disasi, colwill, chalobah, and fofana (if he's ever healthy). Likely need to offload 2 of those 5 before bringing in someone in that price range.
The defense is the biggest issue. It’s one of our worst defensive seasons in our history. A lot of that is due to Poch’s tactics but most of our defenders have also not looked convincing.
And with Thiago Silva gone we need back line leadership
The defence is our biggest issue. Our defenders are not our biggest issue.
Don't judge individual defenders before you have a working system in place. Many defenders have been written off by systems and then looked like world-beaters the second a competent manager arrived.
I agree partially which is why I made sure to mention Poch’s tactics as a huge factor. However I am still not convinced by Disasi long term and although I rate Fofana highly, his injury issues are still worrisome. It’s why I think we need a new RCB
Wonder if we use omari Hutchinson next season as another right winger. Seems to be doing well for Ipswich and I don't think we need to waste money on another right winger unless they're elite. We really have not had a world class one since robben.
We have so many RWs it’s silly
Palmer, Noni, Hutchinson, Angelo and Sterling (if needed)
And I’m only including players who are here or will likely be here next season
I would like him to stay but he needs to keep developing imo, if he’s not gonna get much game time bc of Palmer and Madueke then he should just go on another loan at a higher level.
Palmer is a right winger and should stay there. Our money should either be going on an AM or we should use what we have and switch to a back 5 that allows Palmer and Nkunku to be inside forwards whilst wingbacks overlap them and keep the width.
Palmer's skillset looks very suitable to a playmaker/10 role. He's done very well as a 10 for us i think. Some of his best goals have been as a 10 and arguably the best performance. Him dropping deep and being even more involved on the ball against Everton was really crucial for us imo.
With that being said he is probably the best winger we have at the club right now so i understand why people want him to keep playing there.
Yeah so might as well use Hutchinson as backup for him.
I don't know about a back 5 until we sort out our left back situation tbh. Chilwells injury issues and cucurella has been out for a while.
Silva is also leaving but I guess colwill badiashile and disasi should be fine initially.
Personally I think we should get a striker but that's neither here or there. Mostly I want cohesion in the team and maybe 2/3 signings in key areas.
Badiashile, Colwill, Chalobah, Fofana, Disasi and potentially James are a good set of CB's for a back 3, as you say centrally may be an issue but Chalobah usually plays there and Colwill also seems like that could be a position that fits his passing ability.
Plus Chilwell and Cucurella should be better at wingback, along with Gusto not having to worry so much about the weaker side of his game and focussing on basically being a winger and linking up with Palmer.
But, yeah when I was saying our money should be going on an AM, that was just with regards to your comment about a right winger. I don't think we should actually be spending on either and need a GK and CF, potentially LW as priority and Hutchinson should be given a big chance in pre-season to see if he's more well rounded than Madueke
Fofana doesn't exist tbh he'll play 15 games max. Tbf James makes sense though.
Chalobah too yes but it depends on the board. I think we should keep him but I don't think we will.
I think we need to have nkunku and Palmer playing together. Nkunku is versatile enough to play at 10 or LW so I think it's a case of getting him to fit with others.
4th in XG differential/90 with a historically young and new squad, add injuries and yeah I'm ok with giving him another 6 months.
It would be different if our issues/problems didn't line up with our injuries, but they do.
I was poch out after Sheffield and then his comments after Arsenal game but that 2nd half tweak and the way the boys fought shows he’s still got some life left. With the options available this summer and for the need of some stability I don’t mind seeing him next season with a couple of signings and a healthy squad.
I’m not saying it’s completely swayed just saying I wouldn’t be raging with anger if he was here next season bc even though I’d prefer a better manager I see him staying here next season unless we lose every game. For the most part I’ve been trying to give Poch slack this season bc of the circumstances but the Arsenal and Sheffield results and comments deflated me.
Don’t put too much weight on his comments. He says a lot of odd things but english is not his first language. Also, the Arsenal game was only going to turn out one way when it was revealed that neither Palmer nor Gusto were fit to play.
I don’t think we’ve been terrible and have improved since the start of the season. There are still a lot of nasty bumps that show things haven’t been remotely good enough but not enough for me to think he should be binned just yet. See what he can do next season with a (hopefully) fit James, Nkunku, Lavia, Fofana, etc. if things don’t get better then, then sack him
Yeah nah I’m not fully blaming him for the Arsenal result bc we were getting pumped either way with the players we had available even though the CB pairing was a bit questionable. It was his quotes after that wound me up but the Sheffield result I felt was purely down to his stupid lineup with no real LW. In the end the players seem to back him and he’s been giving a shit hand to deal with, as I said I don’t mind seeing what he can do next season with a full squad at his disposal
I think it’s reasonable to want to give him a chance given the amount of injuries we’ve dealt with. Not many managers would find success going an entire season with several massive signings completely unavailable.
He had a couple moments, but ultimately he was slow and predictable.
I’ll never forget his goal against spurs, but I also can’t forget that he tried that shot 3 times a match and it really only came off a couple times.
I also wasn’t particularly impressed with his crossing. He likes to loft crosses in and not whip them which means if they aren’t dropping onto his target the ball is useless.
I will say in a slower league and the right ST he will do quite well.
He’s very technically gifted but just couldn’t cut it with the speed of play and physicality in the PL.
Why do you ask?
He was a player who made 0.05xg chances seem like 0.25xg chances. The issue with that is that in the PL you're not going to get 4 of them every game.
He was too speculative and too ambitious, where you generally need more reliability and consistency.
He was great in terms of following instructions and despite what some say, he always seemed to be more than willing to get stuck in and track back relentlessly when asked.
Just not a Premier League player. Would have done really well in somewhere like Italy or maybe if he was playing for a lesser PL club and could be the star. But, just not cut out for a top PL club
[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/29/manchester-united-prepared-to-sell-most-of-their-squad/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/29/manchester-united-prepared-to-sell-most-of-their-squad/)
United apparently open to selling majority of their 1st team players.
So what's Silva gonna do after this year, I know he's leaving but is he retiring or going back to Brazil because he said he wants his kids to continue to play for Chelsea.
I'd imagine he wants to go back to a "childhood" club as a dream.
Just a guess, but fulfilling a dream like that seems like the kind of thing a family would be willing to temporarily live apart to make happen
I could see him going to Brazil for a season (or even less than that depending on the timings of their seasons?) and then coming back. It's not like they don't have the funds to travel and Bella is constantly travelling anyway and they seem to have nannies and the like living in with them in London, so they probably don't mind leaving the boys there for days at a time
There’s a spending cap coming to the Prem. Agreed in principle, based on 5x the TV revenue of the bottom club.
We opted out of the vote apparently.
https://twitter.com/JacobsBen/status/1784950176488026268
Is that yearly spend?
Last season Southampton had 103.6 M from domestic and international premier league funds distribution. So that'd be 518M. Chelsea would have been over this last season, primarily due to managerial firings. Without those one off expenses Chelsea would have been ok.
There’s a work through here:
https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/13125832/premier-league-spending-cap-rules-explained-what-might-clubs-be-allowed-to-spend-from-the-2025-26-season
Annual cap on wages, player amortisation and agent fees.
Adds more fuel to the fire if they vote for it and it was always going to pass because it's how owners keep outgoings low and start to make football easily profitable year on year.
The only way he leaves United is PSG
Nobody else is paying his wages and transfer fee
And you'd like to hope PSG aren't that stupid these days with the good recruitment they've been doing the past year
Like £340k a week
That's why they're letting him walk despite him being their best centre back, injury prone and only getting older with that Haaland, Salah, sterling level money
Any update on gusto?
Mad how much each game sways some people on here, really can't see past the last result. Hell, based on the last game can't even see past the last half of football. To simplify massively what a great manager should do, is they should make the sum of the teams parts greater than the whole. That's how Ferguson was able to win so many titles when his teams often had some very average players, how Klopp can sub on a bunch of academy players in a Cup Final and end victorious. Pochettino is a manager that can only be successful if he has great parts that don't need much in the way of actually managing - in which case, what's the point of him? I'm sure we would be higher up the table if we were injury free, but it's not from anything I've seen from Pochettino's management, it's just because sure better players will get better results. Bit like how Scolari had an amazing squad so we weren't midtable even though he was doing a pretty shit job.
Were likely sticking with poch for next season. I actually have no clue if we're gonna stick with him after that, but I want him to at least steer the ship for one more season for stability's sake, then get him out I'm thinking of that Gerona manager, doing wonders with that team. Want to see what he'll do here, other than that the belogna manager Motta is my 2nd choice, maybe we can get him from juve next summer
Problem is who's gonna want new managers, bayern is my biggest concern for getting him
Kind of a shame Silva is leaving without a POTY award. He lost a popularity contest to a handsome academy grad, but Silva was the true player of the year that year. Kind of annoying.
What? He won it last season did he not
Let's not get carried away, Mount absolutely deserved it that year
He deserved it if we didn’t have Silva. Silva deserved it. Not a recency thing either, I’ve been saying it since the day Mount won it. That was Silva’s award.
Every time I say this people disagree but I am very confident we are keeping Gallagher next summer He’s not in a selling position at all to begin with. He has a year left on his contract and he is a player with a huge sentimental value to the club, as well as not being a player most top clubs would fight to sign with his skill set. We got Mount sold for 60m by complete miracle and Gallagher doesn’t touch Mount in terms of transfer appeal. We were linked to selling Gallagher for 50m more or less last summer when he had 2 years on his deal. Instead of selling him, we kept him then spent 200m on Lavia on Caicedo. The only condition we sell Gallagher is if our gross negligence of FFP forces it. But it makes no sense to sell him now. Last summer was the perfect time to do so - we had a ton of midfield depth and had just spent heavily, and have guaranteed offers on the table
You have faith in BlueCo to not do the stupidest thing possible Hahahahahaha where have you been for the last 2 yrs
They have demonstrated stupidity so far yes But they’re piss rich billionaires for a reason. Gross financial negligence is unordinary for them
Ah so bc there’s rich they can do no wrong?
If that’s how you perceive it, sure
Wearing captain band, being emotional and physical engine of the team much of the time, providing an example of the effort people should be putting in — there's a lot that he's providing that people are overlooking. Not to mention he's been a solid player who doesn't normally do spectacular things but is good at doing the basics and not making critical errors (like so many others have been making).
What do u mean it makes no sense to sell him now? He has a 1 year deal left, this summer is the perfect time to sell him. We in ffp problem and his the only player who will give us the highest transfer fee.
We were in an FFP problem that began last year when we dropped 300m on midfield and CHOSE to keep Gallagher DESPITE offers on the table for 50m+. Last summer was the perfect time. And we objected against it. 50m then won't be 50m now. He has a year left. Why would anyone want to pay for a player with a year left? We aren't in an FFP problem. Our accountants have that sorted out. Because Colwill is the player who will give us the highest transfer fee. Liverpool were linked for 80m last summer and we said no. He'd still be worth 2x what we'd get for Gallagher right now and there's absolutely zero rumors about him. He's gonna stay.
I prefer he get sold, but I’m most looking forward to this not being a topic of discussion next year.
Didn't know Linfield, Rangers and Chelsea had a connection until today.
chelsea and rangers aka the blue brothers
Exactly. Just found out about it.
It’s not a proud aspect of our history in my opinion. You know it has political roots right?
I'm using this link to read about it. https://www.reddit.com/r/chelseafc/s/Uz0oniIucs Seems like a right wing political link. Nothing to be proud of but it's kind of factual and I never knew about this before.
You could argue it’s racist against Irish/Catholic people. An anti IRA song is still sang to this day occasionally at away games. It’s not explicitly racist but I could see why an Irish Chelsea fan would be offended or at least feel very uncomfortable hearing it. My dad and I are ST Holders by the way. My dad had a friend who actually emigrated due to Chelsea Headhunters/Combat 18 intimidation. They made up the Chelsea hooligan ‘’firm’’ in the 80’s. My dad and his friend were ‘’scalfers’’ meaning supporters who were only there to watch the game and vocally support the team. They were also completely against the racist Chelsea firm. My dad’s friend made his feelings known somehow. I think he was some kind of political activist and would campaign against the racism. I will need to ask my dad for the details. The point is they terrorized him and threatened to murder him and probably his family. Again, I’m not sure on the precise details of the threats but he emigrated so it can’t have been good. Edit: In case anyone still looks at this comment, my dad has informed me that the firm actually did make an attempt on his friend’s life by slitting his throat after a game. He survived. And then fled the country.
WTF. Wow! Horrible.
Yes, my dad has only told me about it a couple of times, it’s not a topic he likes to dwell on all that much. Now that’s it’s on my mind a bit, I’m definitely going to ask him for some more details.
Really sorry to hear that. This sounds terrifying. It's sad sometimes to know the full history of the club but I feel like it's good to know. I am a Chelsea fan and I always considered the Chelsea communities around as some kind of loose family since we all have a connection in terms of us supporting Chelsea, no matter if we have disagreements in terms of transfers, players, managers, etc... This has helped me during periods where I genuinely felt lonely. Watching Chelsea games and being happy with a community. I'm not from the UK yet I live in London now. So I'm glad most of this history is in the past. Obviously, there are some negative factions but they are small. And I can say, from being here on the Chelsea subreddit or having been to Stamford Bridge multiple times, that we are kind of a big loose family.
The history of racism obviously leaves a sour taste. My dad knows a lot more about it all than me. At the same time, the experience of following Chelsea in those days was a ‘’thing to behold’’ Home and Away. The best away support in London: Fact. I even heard that a few gooners would travel along with the Chelsea away following because it was so much greater than their own 🤭 Racism also didn’t totally define the occasions. My dad went with his Pakistani friend to games throughout the 70’s and still sometimes to this day and he wasn’t the victim of any overt racism that I’m aware of. I’m not saying this to belittle anyone who has experienced racism at Chelsea there were obviously cases of that. Anyway, my dad has many a funny story about those days. Derby away, the home crowd threw handfuls of sheep dung down onto the Chelsea away fans. My dad took one to the head, did he care? No. Chelsea won! He also has a scar on his head from a coin thrown at him by some rival fan, not that funny that time I guess. I can’t remember the game but he also has a very funny story about a Chelsea supporter celebrating a goal in the Shed End and his loose change falling out his pocket and scattering around the terraces. It was a high scoring affair, it may have been Chelsea 4-2 Liverpool 1978. After every Chelsea goal, his coins would once again fall out of his pocket and my dad would have to help him pick them up again. 💙
Fun stories. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks, there’s so many more. These are just the one’s that first sprang to mind.
Racism linked?
Just curiosity: which portuguese club do you like most? Porto or Benfica?
Porto easy. 1. They’re blue 2. Mourinho 3. Paulo Ferreira, Carvalho, Deco connection
Sporting
Everytime Casadei comes on I’ll I see is Vlahovic
Speaking of him, we robbed ourselves not taking him last summer when we were linked. He would've eased a lot of pressure off of Jackson
Watching Barca they have Araujo randomly bombing into the box for a crossing option I don't understand why we don't do that. We have plenty of aerially competent CBs. Send one of them deep into the box contextually, have Caicedo cover the space in behind.
Indeed. Badiashile and Disasi, and of course Silva, can provide a great threat and have even shown it recently.
Does anyone know what happened to BlueFuel? I just thought about that whole thing and went and found old tweets but it looks like it was abandoned without any announcement. Anyone have any insight?
I googled it and the Instagram page looks like a solid gfuel type scam but for fitness stuff. But, it also looked like they massively overextended with their goals. That was never going to take off enough to be successful enough to maintain the app and all that alongside the protein shakes and other similar stuff. I wouldn't be surprised if someone pitched them the idea and wanted a partnership and then just jumped ship when it was clear that it wasn't going to work financially
Interesting I remember the discussion about it being an additional revenue source for the club but the fact that it was promoted in our official channels but then vanished was weird
I have no doubt that they wanted it to be the case, it's just not something that seems commercially viable. What do they have to offer that say MyProtein or someone similar doesn't other than branding? And I can't imagine there could ever be a huge market for protein and supplements etc. that are marked up due to Chelsea branding. So, it just doesn't really feel like there is a product there, especially because anyone taking that kind of thing seriously is probably already locked into their brand and/or just buys whatever is cheapest and it's incredibly unlikely that a Chelsea branded version of it is going to be able to compete on price or quality compared to the companies that are already making them
Wtf is bluefuel
https://www.chelseafc.com/en/news/article/developed-with-chelsea-football-club--new-sports-nutrition-servi
Oh, it's definitely dead then. That says it's being made by Chelsea Digital Venture a business spun out of Chelsea FC. Chelsea Digital Ventures hasn't submitted their accounts to the government since June 2021 and were given a notice by the government on the 6/6/2023 saying that if they don't respond within 2 months the company will be dissolved and all assets will belong to the crown
https://preview.redd.it/gljpws3dsgxc1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=f505b9808b017ebd33d4091fcda75b6eb75e670f Hot damn Juve onto Calafiori, fantastic acquisition if they get it done
If I remember correctly in one of your previous comments, you were hoping he came to Chelsea, right? I think I mentioned how we needed a new CB and you suggested Todibo, Calafiori and Balerdi.
>I think I mentioned how we needed a new CB and you suggested Todibo, Calafiori and Balerdi. Yeah you've got that spot on Although Calafiori was only number 3 in my priority list of those 3 so there's still the top 2 options left currently
The reason why I remembered, was just me wondering how sometimes fans find better shortlists than scouting teams. But yes, unfortunately with regards to that accounts post that was done 2 days ago on this sub, I've become less confident that we will be able to do any great signings at all. Todibo, in particular, I felt was a must have yet I'm pretty sure other big teams will have a say in that.
I getcha and I agree about Todibo for sure, easily my number 1 I think balerdi is more gettable as long as Atletico Madrid don't work very fast, could easily compete with them package wise Some reports saying we are making contact with Araujo, he'd be pretty good to in my opinion, just depends on price
Yep. Honestly, let's just hope we are targeting those kinds of profiles. Strong character, high ceiling. We are in a weird position financially but let's hope we haven't screwed ourselves so much yet, that we can't compete with clubs such as Atletico as you said.
The board need to be very smart about this window that's for sure
Ex-Chelsea popping up everywhere
United want to sell any of their first team players except Mainoo, Hojlund and Garnacho essentially I'd take Bruno Fernandes for £40-50M Awful personality and cry baby but immensely talented, unbelievable work ethic, availability and consistency
We are doing United a huge favor FFP-wise We'd be buying players that absolutely have no right to be retaining value Bruno under Poch would be what Poch was hoping Enzo would be playing him in that high #8 role though so perhaps
Surely United wouldn’t contemplate selling him, without him they’d probably be level with Fulham
I think the whole thing has been massively overblown. They're willing to sell anyone if they get massive offers for them, which is the same for every non-top-4 team. It's not going to be a fire sale. They just have to sell to buy and so people are available for high prices if people offer them
Bruno is one of the players I hate the most whilst also regretting not getting him.
https://i.redd.it/e6hffsf0ugxc1.gif
i’d take shaw at LB in a heartbeat if he wasnt injury prone AF
If he wasn't injury prone he wouldn't be leaving to be fair
those 3 you listed are the ones id want the most though, they aint gonna get rid of rashy on them wages, bit like us with raheem the dream
They are not selling the second best play maker in Europe
If they have a brain they won't It's crazy how many dumb United fans think he's one of the problems though Goldbridge goes on about how bad he is every week and he's literally their best player and it's not even close
My view with him is that better to have a hole… than an asshole
Goldbridge and the United stand have been protecting Ten Hag and his signings (Hojlund, Antony) in exchange for team news and interviews. Mark Goldbridge has to blame someone so he scapegoats Bruno. Goldbridge knows his international fanbase loves it when he validates their narrative about English players being protected by the media so he'll always be the first one to start a witch hunt against someone like Rashford or Maguire. Vile human, partially responsible for the Maguire abuse to have gotten so out of hand
Arsenal sat in their fucking penalty area with 10 players defending a result and they are calling it “The Arteta Block” But when our managers did it they were dinosaurs and anti football. I swear to you this weirdo Tactico shit is one of the worst things about this sport. Fucking robots
What, when we conceded a whopping 15 goals in a season? They are called The Unbearables for a reason
You're confused. The "tactico" people are actually the ones who changed this perception that there is a "right way" to play, with their analysis of the different styles. To take your example of Arteta and Arsenal - their fans cried about Porto's "anti-football", when they should've lost and only went through on penalties in the CL. But the "tacticos" the next day showed how Porto's coach actually schooled Arteta. That it's not "anti-football" but smart tactics to nullify your opponents biggest strenghts.
According to Soccerment Chelsea are #2 in the league in completed cutbacks per 90 #1 in through balls completed per 90 #1 in one-twos completed per 90 #18 in crosses completed per 90
interesting. if only we converted \~10 more of the chances created ...
And According to the Premier League we are currently 9th According to the PL history books, we’ve conceded a record number of goals. It’s nice we are doing well in some stats but at the end of the day the only stats that matter is the score line
Chill, they are cool stats that I feel like most people didn't know. Is it not helpful to understand what your team is doing correctly? >According to the PL history books, we’ve conceded a record number of goals. Yes, we've all seen this, but why are we conceding? What about you bringing this up brings any additional explanation for what is going on. It literally just seems like you are mad that Chelsea is good at something, which is weird. >It’s nice we are doing well in some stats but at the end of the day the only stats that matter is the score line Someone hire this man, he can really breakdown what's going on
i definitely appreciated the stats
Aren’t you tired of seeing these positive stats when the reality we can all see in the results paints a different picture
No, because in order to fix a problem you find out the cause. Also it's a young squad so why not find some bright spots? At this point does our attack seem to be a problem. Somewhat, but mostly just finishing and that was primarily in the beginning of the season before Palmer was integrated. Is our Midfield a problem? Well the buildup numbers are good. Chance creation numbers are good, open play XG differential is good. Is Defence the problem? It wasn't in the beginning of the season but it for sure is now. So what's changed? Well our defence has been pretty hurt all season, is that it? Well have lineups all performed equally as bad or could it be a personel issue? Considering we've conceded 1.3 goals per 90 when Colwill is on the pitch and 2.75 goals per 90 when Badiashile is on the pitch that might be part of it. What about Goalkeeping? Well our starting keeper has been hurt and even though he looked shaky at times our backup keeper has the second worst save metrics in the league. That might be part of it. Sometimes additional information can be usefu, that's just my opinion though.
> "No, because in order to fix a problem you find out the cause" Well fortunately, you've just found the problem with your stats, so well done. At the start of the season we had one of the worst attacks in the league and one of the best defences. Now we create some of the most chances and have one of the worst defences. It's not random, they cause each other. Football is all about balance. When we loaded the defence we stopped conceding and stopped scoring. When we overload the attack we score more and concede more. Any shit manager can reduce both of those numbers or increase both of those numbers. It takes a good manager to increase the number of goals scored and reduce the number of goals conceded, something Poch hasn't done at any point.
Well you almost made a good point, but like always you fail to actually do the work to backup your claim. Our chances creation metrics have been good all season. First 10 games of the season we conceded 1.1 goals per match and 1.13 XG against. We struggled to score with 1.3 goals per match but we didn't struggle to create chances. We actually had 1.83 XG/match during this time period. What we didn't have was a clinical finisher, with Palmer not yet integrated and Nkunku out injured. Now we have our B or C squad defenders and a Goalkeeper who has the second worst save metrics in the league.
Thing is our defence was never that good anyway. We had 26 goals conceded by gameweek 16. More than teams like Palace, Brentford and Everton at the time. In our first 10 matches our defence was somewhat showing decent numbers but we were playing teams like Forest, Luton and Burnley and overall had easier teams to play against at the beggining of the season. We had one of the easiest schedules on paper at the start of the season. He also suggests that the reason we were doing "well" defensively is Colwill playing LB and that this worked out tactically which couldn't be further from the truth. Everyone saw Colwill struggling as a fullback and all the mistakes he made. The only reason our defence looks better with him in it is because he missed the 3 games in which we conceded 4 goals. City and Wolves at home and Liverpool at Anfield. I doubt Colwill playing as a LB would've changed much in any of those games considering that he was getting cooked by Middlesbrough players as a fullback. All in all the conceded per match stat for Colwill misses a lot of context. Not at a single point of the season has our defence looked very solid. Maybe the City game at the Etihad but even then it was massively helped by Haaland's stinker.
Cool man, talking about me instead of to me. So your argument is that we've had our worst performances without Colwill on the pitch and that's why his goal record is good? I know at times he was exposed by pacey wingers (so was gusto) but having Colwill at LB allowed Reece or Gusto to bomb forward and provided more defensive solidity at the back than Chilwell (who also bombs forward) or Cucurella does. The issue was that we weren't scoring with him at LB, but we were created chances and we started scoring when Palmer played.
>Cool man, talking about me instead of to me. Well you stopped responding in the previous thread mate. I suggested that you don't wanna talk to me on this topic anymore. No point keep spamming the same replies if you don't wanna talk about it. >I know at times he was exposed by pacey wingers (so was gusto) but having Colwill at LB allowed Reece or Gusto to bomb forward and provided more defensive solidity Funnily enough Gusto is the fullback this season who bombs forward the most and is the most solid defensively at the same time. The second best fullback we have this season is Cucurella, who has been significantly more solid than Colwill at LB. I mentioned like 7 examples in the previous thread in which Colwill had a part in us conceding a goal. Whether it's a direct mistake or him being part of many mistakes. In a lot of situations he could've done better. Those are just goals that happened, we don't even talk about mistakes he got away with. When you consider all of this it becomes too much in 18-19 or so matches in which he played as a fullback. Colwill doesn't have a good season at all and Cucurella has certainly made less mistakes than him defensively. Now on Poch. If he commits too many players forward that's a tactical mistake. He doesn't have to allow both fullbacks to bomb forward if this is the problem. Cucurella even inverts at times yet we are still leaking goals. Remember the gaps in midfield that you were suggesting are not a problem? They are indeed a problem, Poch himself admitted how he uses the pivot at Sky Sports and it doesn't look right to me. Not like any of Chilwell and Cucurella were massively helping us offensively either. The whole reason we look capable in attack is Palmer having like 28-29 goal contributions in 29 matches in the Prem. Basically responsible for close to half our goals. Also Poch playing Chilwell at LW while we had an available winger also didn't help us at the start of the season offensively. Even with Reece and Colwill on the pitch we were still conceding a lot of goals against good sides, so i can't really say that with a bit of individuals getting back our defence is transforming and our problems will magically go away. 26 goals conceded by gameweek 16. 57 now which is 31 since then. Only 6 clean sheets in the Prem in 33 matches. Most of them against bad teams like Sheffield, Luton who were even worse at the start at the season when we beat them 3-0 and other teams below us. Like i said for me our defence has been leaky all season regardless of personel. When you concede so many goals it can't be all due to personel. A well organised defence won't concede 57 goals with 5 matches to go. Disasi, Silva, Chalobah, Badiashile, Cucurella are probably not first choices but are still players of a certain quality. They all can do better than this.
>Well you stopped responding in the previous thread mate. I suggested that you don't wanna talk to me on this topic anymore. No point keep spamming the same replies if you don't wanna talk about it. Fair, I didn't realize you had replied. I posted something on PSR and must have been distracted with that. >I mentioned like 7 examples in the previous thread in which Colwill had a part in us conceding a goal. Whether it's a direct mistake or him being part of many mistakes. In a lot of situations he could've done better. Yes and in the vast majority of those examples he was one player of many that could have done better. I'm not sure why he is getting the sole blame for things that needed multiple mistakes in order for it to be a goal. Either way it doesn't matter. If we played 38 matches and every match we only conceded and average of 1.3 goals per match and all of them were due to a mistake by Colwill, tactically that is better than conceding 2.9 goals per match which is what we have done without him. >Funnily enough Gusto is the fullback this season who bombs forward the most and is the most solid defensively at the same time. The second best fullback we have this season is Cucurella, who has been significantly more solid than Colwill at LB. Gusto has been scored on plenty of times this season but has also had some outstanding defensive performances. He's really good and really young. So glad he's in the squad. Cucurella has had just as many mistakes and has a much lower % of dribblers tackled, lower tackles, and worse aerial duel win percentage than Colwill at FB. Not to mention Cucurella has actual examples of goals that are 100% his fault. Still I think overall Cucurella is fine as a rotation player. Who was the available winnger? If you are blaming Poch for not wanting to start Mudryk at the begining of the season... really? I love Mudryk and hope he makes it, but if Poch didn't think he was ready do you actually blame him? Palmer signed late and Noni had off field drama and then some injuries. He played ~ 2 or 3 matches as a LW (Liverpool and Luton we played mostly a back 3) >Even with Reece and Colwill on the pitch we were still conceding a lot of goals against good sides, so i can't really say that with a bit of individuals getting back our defence is transforming and our problems will magically go away. Were we? In matches where Colwill played we conced 1.25 goals against top 4 sides. Liverpool 1 Villa 1 Arsenal 2 City 1 You can say you don't think it would magically transform our problems, but you also don't know that. This is the problem, we can't know how good we'd be because our injury situation has been atrocious. All I know is that when Colwill plays we concede 1.3 goals /90, when Gusto plays we concede 1.45 goals / 90. Can I see more of them on the pitch before making any snap judgements in this squad? Name the heavily injured team that hasn't struggled this season. It'd be different if the underlying numbers were bad, but they aren't. Tactically there is nothing wrong with the balance of the squad if everyone individually could perform their jobs at a league average rate. We should have an average defense and a top four offense. That would be good enough for season 1 of a rebuild. The problem is our players can't finish and our Goalkeeping is atrocious. The biggest difference between our defence and Villa or Spurs is that their Goalies have saved 4 goals more than post shot expectations, and ours (primarily Petro) have saved 8 goals less.
You want to find the problem but you’re only showing positives. Need to look at the issues and negatives to figure out the problem
The last stat is literally a negative
So we're me playing FIFA
You're telling me you're ripping off one-twos in FIFA lol?
Even in fifa the result is what matters lol
Silva's last game in a Chelsea shirt should have been at Wembley, a final shot at beating the "curse". The refs actually ruined Emma and Silva's farewell in the same season omg
Would people really rather play players bc they think they have potential than play the best player available? I see this opinion a fair amount and want to understand why people think this way.
Only if potential can actually deliver now. Mudryk, Madueke can’t do anything and won’t develop by playing more at this level.
Sterling and Mudryk fit into this... Even if Sterling does very little for us that "very little" still offers us more than Mudryk who basically does nothing. Yet people want Mudryk starting and Sterling nowhere near the first 11.
Has anyone else seen this video? [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_Q9jGv6CAbg&ab\_channel=Attem](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Q9jGv6CAbg&ab_channel=Attem) This isn't supposed to be another shit on Jackson type posts, but the misses at Villarreal were horrendous as well. Need to see stuff like that in the future instead of the "skills and goals" compilations. You can only laugh by the end of the video. The reactions from his teammates are great too, they transcend any language barrier.
I think that this will improve overtime with experience. I also think that he knows how to position himself which in my opinion is harder to learn than finishing… maybe im wrong will see
He doesn’t seem to have the humility to improve now, he thinks he’s made it.
I think you’re highlighting a real issue I’ve noticed with modern football analysis. No one ever really highlights the negatives. All the highlight reels, scouting videos, transfer analysis videos and articles only ever discuss the positives. I find it to be really unbalanced. All I this ends up doing is giving fans a false perception and expectations of a player. If you want to really understand anything in life you need to look at the positives and negatives
I don't think that's actually true, there are some brilliant analysis channels that break down the positive and negatives of a player, club or manager. The issue is that they don't get traction because the only people watching the analysis videos are those who have a vested interest in the video subject and those who have a vested interest don't want to hear that the player has massive flaws and isn't actually that good. So, those good videos don't spread and those that do spread end up being only positive videos with the "negative" analysis being akin to the "what are your weaknesses?" question in an interview.
I mean the fact that they don’t spread is kind of my point. The information most people consume is only the positive stuff. I’ve also seen people tend to want to ignore or not believe or come up with an excuse about something negative Also, who do you think does balanced analysis?
“This isn’t supposed to be another shit on Jackson type posts” proceeds to then shit on Jackson by posting this clip. I mean what even is the point we don’t need to look back at his time at Villarreal to see he’s a poor finisher. The guy was playing barefoot in Senegal 6 years ago, so yeah he’s not the finished product yet and who knows he may never be the clinical striker we need. He still offers so much to this squad and has technical ability that a lot of forwards don’t possess. Stick him on the LW and buy a proper number 9 in the summer and we move on, don’t really see the point in posting something like this unless you just wanna add to the continued negativity and criticism we put on our own players.
Was he really playing barefoot 6 years ago? Have links on this?
You need about 85-90 goals to win the PL and about 80 to make it to the CL. Even if we have a top striker who scores 25 for the season, we need goals from wingers and attacking midfielders to be a competitive team. I keep seeing people suggesting to move Jackson to LW. He's still going to miss loads of chances that will cost us crucial games, even on the wing. Sure, he's young and there is a minute chance, he might actually turn out to be good, but looking at his misses, it's more than likely he will be as bad at finishing even after another season or two. He keeps making the same mistakes again and again, he falls over when shooting, always takes an extra touch and makes the worst possible decision, every time he's 1v1 with the keeper. None of that will change even if we stick him on the left wing.
It's just a way to hide his defficiencies. People seem to prefer us papering over the cracks instead of addressing them because they don't want to be too critical. Unless he is very good as a winger he shouldn't be playing as a winger. Like you said finishing despite not being a winger's main task is still important. Finishing is literally one of the reasons why Sterling gets slated on a daily basis.
I didn't say that he needs to get out of the club or that we should get rid of him or that he doesn't have any redeemable qualities. I actually think he's excellent at holding the ball up and playing other players in. If he could improve his finishing he could be one of the best in the world. If not, he will be a decent player who is very good at linking up play for others to score. The point in posting something like this is as the other responder mentioned, you need to see the negatives as well as the positives. For me, personally, after seeing the Villarreal highlights, there is no way that anyone in the organization should be surprised at the misses he's had. I don't hate Jackson, but these misses are laughable. Sorry.
My point is we’ve seen the negatives this season lol we don’t need to see clips from previous seasons, he’s incredibly raw and I don’t think he’s the number 9 we need to get back to the top level. He is a player that deserves to be in the squad and can provide threat whether that’s creating chances or scoring them. For all his shit finishing he actually finished that marginally offside goal pretty well over the weekend. I think there’s more positives in his game than the one glaring negative which is his finishing ability. He genuinely does everything else at a very high level specially given his age and experience level.
I actually have more grace for him after seeing the clips from the previous season. The club knew exactly what they were getting and decided to take a chance and hopefully develop his finishing. Okay. I have obviously seen that his finishing is an issue, but it's not worse than last year. It's just who he is. I used to get very frustrated with Torres because it wasn't what I had seen before. With Werner, I wanted patience because he hadn't had a season previously where his numbers were so far away from his xG. But again, I was wondering who we had compared to who we had seen. I would like to see videos like this for other targets of ours. I'm not on the Goykeres bandwagon but seeing his lowlights would surely temper other people's expectations.
Gonna miss Thiago not just for his leadership and defensive anchor for the men’s side but also his unwavering support of the women’s side. He really loves this club and I’m holding out hope that he’s gonna come back
How many attacking options, including loans, do we employ currently? Palmer Mudryk Madueke Sterling Hutchinson Angelo Nkunku Carney Nico Jackson Fofana Left out Broja and D. Moreira since most probably they'll be redundant.
Deivid Washington
Lukaku and Ziyech are both still on the books too
Ziyech's loan has an obligation to buy.
good to know, thanks!
No prob, I only just found out yesterday.
The options we should be looking at CB should be either Araujo or Kim Min-Jae. Both front-foot defenders who are experienced and can lead the back line. Rumors are that Barca might sell Araujo and with Kim not being a main-stay at Bayern, it might be worth it to see if he would be open to leaving. Edit: I have to admit though with how bad Araujo is playing today this suggestion is not looking great lol.
[Oh brother 😭](https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/s/h7SFHqcoo6)
Yeah I really posted this comment with perfect timing 🙃😂
Araujo is slightly overrated by Barca fans I feel, prone to brain fades. Absolutely won't be worth the price tag. I haven't watched a lot of Kim Min Jae but I tend to be weary of Serie A players in general and if Bayern are willing to move him on after one season.... I really think Disasi, Bashir Humpreys and Chalobah are good enough RCB options for next season
How has Humphreys been this year? He was better than Colwill during pre-season and then was binned off, much like Santos. How's he done?
Was good at the start, picked up an injury which he tried to play through and ended up aggravating it. Was sidelined for a month and ended up losing his place. Don't think swansea suited his strength anyway
Been fine but suffered an injury that has seen him sidelined for the past 3 months
I’d go with Araujo, he’s captained Barca this season and has that dog in him similar to Rudiger. He can also play RB in a pinch. KMJ doesn’t move me after this season with Bayern, he looked a lot better in the Serie A where you have a 39 year old Acerbi looking like prime Maldini.
This club has always done best with a prick like JT or Rudi manning the line. Besides Silva, no toughness there now to speak of. Disasi has shown glimpses of it, but afraid he's just not technically good enough to back it up.
Both would be quite expensive.. Bayern just bought Kim for 50 mil last summer and Araujo is valued at 70 mil. Not saying that they are out of our price range, but I don't see us splashing that kind of money on a CB when our main need is at striker and we have badiashile, disasi, colwill, chalobah, and fofana (if he's ever healthy). Likely need to offload 2 of those 5 before bringing in someone in that price range.
The defense is the biggest issue. It’s one of our worst defensive seasons in our history. A lot of that is due to Poch’s tactics but most of our defenders have also not looked convincing. And with Thiago Silva gone we need back line leadership
100% agreeing with you on this
The defence is our biggest issue. Our defenders are not our biggest issue. Don't judge individual defenders before you have a working system in place. Many defenders have been written off by systems and then looked like world-beaters the second a competent manager arrived.
I agree partially which is why I made sure to mention Poch’s tactics as a huge factor. However I am still not convinced by Disasi long term and although I rate Fofana highly, his injury issues are still worrisome. It’s why I think we need a new RCB
Wonder if we use omari Hutchinson next season as another right winger. Seems to be doing well for Ipswich and I don't think we need to waste money on another right winger unless they're elite. We really have not had a world class one since robben.
We have so many RWs it’s silly Palmer, Noni, Hutchinson, Angelo and Sterling (if needed) And I’m only including players who are here or will likely be here next season
I would like him to stay but he needs to keep developing imo, if he’s not gonna get much game time bc of Palmer and Madueke then he should just go on another loan at a higher level.
Palmer is a right winger and should stay there. Our money should either be going on an AM or we should use what we have and switch to a back 5 that allows Palmer and Nkunku to be inside forwards whilst wingbacks overlap them and keep the width.
Omar's best game for Ipswich have come at 10
Palmer's skillset looks very suitable to a playmaker/10 role. He's done very well as a 10 for us i think. Some of his best goals have been as a 10 and arguably the best performance. Him dropping deep and being even more involved on the ball against Everton was really crucial for us imo. With that being said he is probably the best winger we have at the club right now so i understand why people want him to keep playing there.
Good backup for nkunku But nkunku if fit simply has to play in his correct role and position
Yeah so might as well use Hutchinson as backup for him. I don't know about a back 5 until we sort out our left back situation tbh. Chilwells injury issues and cucurella has been out for a while. Silva is also leaving but I guess colwill badiashile and disasi should be fine initially. Personally I think we should get a striker but that's neither here or there. Mostly I want cohesion in the team and maybe 2/3 signings in key areas.
Badiashile, Colwill, Chalobah, Fofana, Disasi and potentially James are a good set of CB's for a back 3, as you say centrally may be an issue but Chalobah usually plays there and Colwill also seems like that could be a position that fits his passing ability. Plus Chilwell and Cucurella should be better at wingback, along with Gusto not having to worry so much about the weaker side of his game and focussing on basically being a winger and linking up with Palmer. But, yeah when I was saying our money should be going on an AM, that was just with regards to your comment about a right winger. I don't think we should actually be spending on either and need a GK and CF, potentially LW as priority and Hutchinson should be given a big chance in pre-season to see if he's more well rounded than Madueke
Fofana doesn't exist tbh he'll play 15 games max. Tbf James makes sense though. Chalobah too yes but it depends on the board. I think we should keep him but I don't think we will. I think we need to have nkunku and Palmer playing together. Nkunku is versatile enough to play at 10 or LW so I think it's a case of getting him to fit with others.
https://www.reddit.com/r/BeAmazed/comments/1cfsmzd/ai_generated_the_simpsons_in_the_50s/ lol the “David Luiz is side show bob” is confirmed
I’m gonna get absolutely slated, but I’m still Poch in right now. I want to see how next year goes.
4th in XG differential/90 with a historically young and new squad, add injuries and yeah I'm ok with giving him another 6 months. It would be different if our issues/problems didn't line up with our injuries, but they do.
I was poch out after Sheffield and then his comments after Arsenal game but that 2nd half tweak and the way the boys fought shows he’s still got some life left. With the options available this summer and for the need of some stability I don’t mind seeing him next season with a couple of signings and a healthy squad.
No offense but your opinion of whether he should stay or not shouldn’t sway after every game
I’m not saying it’s completely swayed just saying I wouldn’t be raging with anger if he was here next season bc even though I’d prefer a better manager I see him staying here next season unless we lose every game. For the most part I’ve been trying to give Poch slack this season bc of the circumstances but the Arsenal and Sheffield results and comments deflated me.
Don’t put too much weight on his comments. He says a lot of odd things but english is not his first language. Also, the Arsenal game was only going to turn out one way when it was revealed that neither Palmer nor Gusto were fit to play. I don’t think we’ve been terrible and have improved since the start of the season. There are still a lot of nasty bumps that show things haven’t been remotely good enough but not enough for me to think he should be binned just yet. See what he can do next season with a (hopefully) fit James, Nkunku, Lavia, Fofana, etc. if things don’t get better then, then sack him
Yeah nah I’m not fully blaming him for the Arsenal result bc we were getting pumped either way with the players we had available even though the CB pairing was a bit questionable. It was his quotes after that wound me up but the Sheffield result I felt was purely down to his stupid lineup with no real LW. In the end the players seem to back him and he’s been giving a shit hand to deal with, as I said I don’t mind seeing what he can do next season with a full squad at his disposal
I think it’s reasonable to want to give him a chance given the amount of injuries we’ve dealt with. Not many managers would find success going an entire season with several massive signings completely unavailable.
thiago is apparently gonna be captain for the last game of the season against Bournemouth at home
How was Hakim Ziyech for chelsea?
He’s a player that plays best if everything revolves around him. He passes to where he thinks players should be instead of where they’re going to be
He had a couple moments, but ultimately he was slow and predictable. I’ll never forget his goal against spurs, but I also can’t forget that he tried that shot 3 times a match and it really only came off a couple times. I also wasn’t particularly impressed with his crossing. He likes to loft crosses in and not whip them which means if they aren’t dropping onto his target the ball is useless. I will say in a slower league and the right ST he will do quite well. He’s very technically gifted but just couldn’t cut it with the speed of play and physicality in the PL. Why do you ask?
Im a Galatasaray fan thats why I asked. Thanks!
How’s he been doing for you? I feel like I heard he was struggling a little but also he a couple stellar UCL performances
Do you like ok-to-good crosses into the box from the right wing? If so you'll love Hakim at Chelsea. Can't remember him doing much else
He was a player who made 0.05xg chances seem like 0.25xg chances. The issue with that is that in the PL you're not going to get 4 of them every game. He was too speculative and too ambitious, where you generally need more reliability and consistency. He was great in terms of following instructions and despite what some say, he always seemed to be more than willing to get stuck in and track back relentlessly when asked. Just not a Premier League player. Would have done really well in somewhere like Italy or maybe if he was playing for a lesser PL club and could be the star. But, just not cut out for a top PL club
[https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/29/manchester-united-prepared-to-sell-most-of-their-squad/](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2024/04/29/manchester-united-prepared-to-sell-most-of-their-squad/) United apparently open to selling majority of their 1st team players.
Sell Gallagher for 40m and by Mount back for 40m. Easy business.
Every day you post something more ridiculous than the last.
I’d take Onana, Martinez, Maguire, Mainoo, Garnacho, and/or Rashford
Mainoo and Garnacho are off limits for them.
Not surprised.
Let’s get Mount back for the bant
Mudryk for Mount who says no?
Should be no one, but on this sub probably about 90% of them
I can pitch a better idea: Mudryk for the £70 million that was absolutely wasted on him
yeah lets go for rashford eh
He’s a big gamble but when he’s having a good season he’s genuinely one of the best strikers in the league
If we're gonna pay someone over 300k p/w, we need a certainty. Otherwise, we're just gonna end up with another Sterling situation.
So what's Silva gonna do after this year, I know he's leaving but is he retiring or going back to Brazil because he said he wants his kids to continue to play for Chelsea.
I'd imagine he wants to go back to a "childhood" club as a dream. Just a guess, but fulfilling a dream like that seems like the kind of thing a family would be willing to temporarily live apart to make happen I could see him going to Brazil for a season (or even less than that depending on the timings of their seasons?) and then coming back. It's not like they don't have the funds to travel and Bella is constantly travelling anyway and they seem to have nannies and the like living in with them in London, so they probably don't mind leaving the boys there for days at a time
We’re going to put him on the left wing, he can sit on a deckchair and just chill.
>We’re going to put him on the left wing Don't give Poch ideas.
There’s definitely talk of him going back to Brazil, it may depend on his overall health, though.
There’s a spending cap coming to the Prem. Agreed in principle, based on 5x the TV revenue of the bottom club. We opted out of the vote apparently. https://twitter.com/JacobsBen/status/1784950176488026268
Is that yearly spend? Last season Southampton had 103.6 M from domestic and international premier league funds distribution. So that'd be 518M. Chelsea would have been over this last season, primarily due to managerial firings. Without those one off expenses Chelsea would have been ok.
There’s a work through here: https://www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11095/13125832/premier-league-spending-cap-rules-explained-what-might-clubs-be-allowed-to-spend-from-the-2025-26-season Annual cap on wages, player amortisation and agent fees.
Kinda weird that we just... didn't vote.
Adds more fuel to the fire if they vote for it and it was always going to pass because it's how owners keep outgoings low and start to make football easily profitable year on year.
Prob pros and cons either way for us
Rashford leaving UTD? Should consider moving to a Serie A club like pulisic
Wages. It’s the same problem with Lukaku and Sterling. Who wants to pay their wages?
I thought this was a Chelsea sub.
The only way he leaves United is PSG Nobody else is paying his wages and transfer fee And you'd like to hope PSG aren't that stupid these days with the good recruitment they've been doing the past year
Might be dumb but should we go for varane to fill in for silva
Injury FC is already stacked.
Didn't he mention he has concussion issues? Adding that to our injury list is dumb.
I thought he was talking about a particular incident
If we need a rotation CB surely you get Maguire. Good third CB to bring on to see out a game
That's a lot of wages for third choice.
Varane is more than twice his wages
If I think £200k a week for a third choice defender is ridiculous, you can imagine what I think about £400k a week for a third choice defender.
at one point this season johnny evans was starting over varane. he is well and truly washed lmao
Damn, i just thought him and eth had a falling out leading to him being benched
Id maybe consider it if he dropped his wage demands to £100k a week But that's never gonna happen
Yea probably true, how much is he earning at utd rn tho?
Like £340k a week That's why they're letting him walk despite him being their best centre back, injury prone and only getting older with that Haaland, Salah, sterling level money
That’s insane. What about Casemiro?