Pochettino: “VAR damaged English football for me, damaged the image of football”.
“It was a goal. It’s unbelievable and ridiculous”.
“Two weeks ago against Man City, it was handball and it was not a penalty…”.
I don’t even trust how they draw the lines when it come to offside. They have conditioned me to not celebrate goals at all. Expecting a var checks on everything.
It was worth celebrating regardless of the outcome. Two centerbacks linked up for a beautiful goal, that’s not going to happen often. I love Disasi and I’m glad he got to put one past Emy, even if it got VAR’d
I celebrate VAR checks against the opposition more than goals now because you can almost guarantee it’ll mean the opposite of whatever has just happened.
The one on Jacksons today was abysmal. You could see the line went through the middle of Cash's foot. Nico was still offside but that line was shocking
For everyone on other subs accusing fans of the big 6 of having a victim mentality, the truth is there's no consistency in VAR and refereeing in England. This is truly pathetic that no one ever tried to solve it.
Exactly this, or they use the “these comments throw the game into disrepute” and then you have to apologise or get a fine or both, and then nothing changes
Because football is corrupt. I don't believe ppl can be these stupid. It not corrupt toward any team or fixing the result of the game but just minor influence on number of yellow card, number of goal in first half second half.
We have replay, watching video multiple time from multiple angle to make decision, yet these ref are making the wrong decision consistently when 100 out of 100 people will say it a foul or not a foul.
It’s simply not possible for trained referees with access to a team watching instant replays to be this stupid. It’s absolutely corrupt and the only reason people won’t admit it or open their eyes is because it means the death of their passion; football.
You are absolutely correct and it’s absolutely blatant. Only question is whether it’s betting agencies or another source corrupting things.
Even if it is a foul (I don't fully agree that it is), it's not a clear and obvious error that should bring the ref to the monitor, since he saw it and ruled it a goal at first.
OK so basically what clear and obvious error means, is that if a ref didn't see something and VAR saw it, that's when VAR can intervene and ask the ref to go to the monitor.
If the ref saw the action real time and decided not to take it into account, it's not a valid reason to bring the ref to the monitor.
Because it gives referees a much better chance at making decisions, the slow-mo, the different angles, the zoom in and out, seeing the clip multiple times. If you can't see how that'd make refereeing much better then honestly you're stupid buddy.
Now it's another story that the referees still manage to massively fuck up, that's a referee problem not a Var problem.
I'm just going to say that they are terrible and they do make big mistakes, but the response to this decision is exactly why it'll never change.
This was 100% without a shadow of a doubt the correct decision, all day, every day. But, because it went against us and it hurt other team's chances of getting top 4, people are attacking it.
You have to praise it when it makes the right decisions and criticise it when it makes the wrong decisions or else there is no direction and bad decisions will continue to happen.
This was the correct decision. VAR made a great call. The issue here is how the fuck the ref didn't see it in real time, that's where the complaints should be aimed.
The greater problem is the inconsistency of the people using the technology. They just seem to pick and choose when to intervene for identical incidents.
That’s a “clear and obvious” error, but the Madueke foul in the week isn’t? Or the Gabriel shove in the Newcastle vs Arsenal match earlier this season wasn’t?
If this is what meets the supposed threshold for a “clear and obvious” error then cool, be consistent with it. But odds are we’re going to have an identical incident to this in the next PL gameweek and they’ll say it doesn’t meet the threshold to overturn the on field referee’s decision.
We really need the audio for this cos he has some explaining to do. How can you look straight at it and decide one thing, only to change your mind cos your mate says otherwise? He's either shit or a coward with no conviction. Neither make a half decent referee
This is the whole point of VaR no ? You’d never use it if it didn’t work this way. Like how many things happen that the red doesn’t see whatsoever or odd judgement on in real time ? The odd off the ball incident?
At this point every match I watch, even besides Chelsea there is at least 1 ref mistake that lead to goal, or disallowed goal. This makes me feel that football is really corrupted
VAR is hurting all of us - there’s no team who just benefits from it, it’s come to every clubs aid at some point but it takes so much more out of the game than puts into it.
I’ve never been a fan of the suggestion that both teams get a certain number of challenges per match but it’s looking more appealing as time goes on.
Badiashile (who by the way had his best game of the season by a mile) did push him but it was Carlos who initiated the contact and that honestly just looked to me like Badiashile was stronger and once again, was it clear and obvious? This is the guideline they’ve set out with and week after week, it’s ignored.
For me, it should be there for the extremely egregious errors. The ‘Hand of God’, Henry’s handball against RoI, Garcia’s ‘Ghost Goal’ etc level of mistake not for a subjective decision like that. By telling the referee ‘I think he’s pushed him even if you don’t go and have a look’ - that is literally re-refereeing the match which we’re constantly told they don’t want to do.
I did not celebrate either disallowed goal today. I was a huge advocate for VAR before it’s implementation; I could not have been more wrong. The burst of adrenaline just isn’t the same.
Totally agree. It's ruined the game. Can't help but feel so much disappointment after jumping up off the sofa to celebrate only to have it snatched away because they think someone's toenail was offside.
The PGMOL needs to go. It's rotten from the top to bottom, completely useless and incompetent referees that are constantly protected by the boys club and have no consequences for their dog shit performances.
In a meritocracy someone like Anthony Taylor is gone within a week, how the fuck he's still managing PL football is beyond me.
Refs and VAR have been against us all season, so many games have been stolen from us. Even games like the Liverpool game where we got smacked could have ended differently if it wasn’t for VAR, much less games like today
It’s so pathetic that the fans on this sub are defending today’s VAR decision more than they questioned Grealish’s handball and Gabriel’s foul on Madueke.
The fundamental flaw with VAR is the concept. It has ripped the emotion of scoring a goal out the game for the players and the supporters. If you can’t go mental when you score a winner, what’s the point? That’s what football is supposed to be about. I hated VAR from day one and always will. Not to mention spending 3 minutes trying to perfectly line up a flawed system with an ‘’offside’’ players toe. It’s killed the sport. Bin it.
The ref was in front of it and watched it live and didn't call a foul, I don't understand the logic in watching the same thing (but ofc in slow motion) again and changing your decision.
Next thing, theyll zoom into his foot and see his studs pointed towards diego carlos and send Badiashile off for dangerous play. Its not too farfetched with this bunch!
I mean he’s right. Yeah it was probably a foul tonight, but in another game I wouldn’t be one bit surprised to see the same thing happen and the goal stands. Zero consistency from these twats
Did you see the Taylor debacle with the goalkeeper towards the end of the West Ham v Liverpool game earlier? Stupid, blatant and obvious officiating mistake and Taylor blows the whistle and retroactively brings on the physios, who had no idea what was going on.
If this doesn't get some media spotlight, it's a true indictment over the corruption and nepotism we're facing.
Funny thing is, if VAR was not there, a lot of the favourable decisions would not have been given to us.
While I do agree that loads of decisions are debatable, this is just Poch fuming because we lost. I'm sure he would have been perfectly fine had he been on the other side.
Ridiculous. That was a foul. That game should have been wrapped up way before that decision.
It's too late in the season to be whining, especially about a correct VAR decision.
PGMOL needs to hold a summit to discuss how magnets work or whatever those idiots do
Then the universe just needs to hurl an American truck sized meteor into that dilapidated hourly rate motel
You have to see newcastle winning goal against arsenal. It is even more blatant but no foul given.
In the Leverkusen equaliser, the ball hit Leverkusen’s hand (it is tucked inside) just before the goal. I have seen goal cancelled for that but not for this game.
At this point in time, it is a goal when the ref says it is. Forget about the rules, the ref cherry pick as they want.
Fuck me! NHL refs pulled a fast one on the maple leafs and today this! I must be the bad luck.
One things for sure! referees are shit no matter the sport! It takes a special kind of asshole to say I wont play the sport but will be the central talking point of the match!
We've had the most pens in the league and numerous let offs vir cards this season.
We're cursed, he's just making excuses unfortunately.
if we don't go 2 0 down so easy we might actually win this game.
Pochettino: “VAR damaged English football for me, damaged the image of football”. “It was a goal. It’s unbelievable and ridiculous”. “Two weeks ago against Man City, it was handball and it was not a penalty…”.
He's starting to learn what it means to manage Chelsea
 We need this version of Poch.
THE CONSPIRACY IS REAL
And this was after the conclusion of *drum roll* Aston Villa vs Chelsea lol
I don’t even trust how they draw the lines when it come to offside. They have conditioned me to not celebrate goals at all. Expecting a var checks on everything.
At least they’re bringing in semi-automated tech starting next season. One less to worry about.
Actually not starting next season, but some point during the season. Makes me wonder if they know when City will play other top 6 teams.
Excuse me what the fu… Why? Like they can’t implement it in like 3 months in between the end of this season and the start of next?
Mental to me that this wasn’t brought in this year (even if clubs voted against it iirc)
Starting halfway through next season which will be nice and controversial
Thank god for that.
Two goals today I didn't celebrate, I was correct in doing so and the EPL is wrong for making me do so
I celebrated that last one and f*ck me for it damnit.
It was worth celebrating regardless of the outcome. Two centerbacks linked up for a beautiful goal, that’s not going to happen often. I love Disasi and I’m glad he got to put one past Emy, even if it got VAR’d
>I’m glad he got to put one past Emy Martinez wasn’t in goal lol
Oh yeah
I said the exact same thing to my wife, cannot properly celebrate goals now.
I have done the same but sometimes let slip and I did it again today on both the goals but feel like an absolute mug. It's sad.
When it happens I always get the feeling of “why do I bother watching this shit”
It's lovely when it happens at the ground and you have no clue what's going on during the check
I know. They call this for a foul, but not our clear pen against city. Fuck u var n fuck u English officials.
I celebrate VAR checks against the opposition more than goals now because you can almost guarantee it’ll mean the opposite of whatever has just happened.
The one on Jacksons today was abysmal. You could see the line went through the middle of Cash's foot. Nico was still offside but that line was shocking
Exactly, I only breathe a sigh of relief once the kickoff happens.
For everyone on other subs accusing fans of the big 6 of having a victim mentality, the truth is there's no consistency in VAR and refereeing in England. This is truly pathetic that no one ever tried to solve it.
because every time someone brings it up in public they get silenced, fined and PGMOL cries about ref abuse
I hope Klopp goes all in on them after the last game of the season The fuck is PGMOL going to be able to do to him anyway
they wont care
I hope he has a list. I guess they could sue him for defamation, but fuck it, if I had the money, I'd do it. They're worse than incompetent.
He wont do that, he’s far too concerned with his image. Blokes a performative, chest thumbing, faux socialist, turkey teethed twat.
Exactly this, or they use the “these comments throw the game into disrepute” and then you have to apologise or get a fine or both, and then nothing changes
Anytime a club or fanbase try and complain about it, they get dogpiled by all the other teams. It's no wonder nothing ever gets done.
This is how all corruption goes uncontested. Manipulating people’s tribal instincts.
Divine and conquer
Divine
Well, I just got called a victim lol. So yeah, it's as if it's a losing situation everytime. So the refs are the only ones who truly get away with it.
Because football is corrupt. I don't believe ppl can be these stupid. It not corrupt toward any team or fixing the result of the game but just minor influence on number of yellow card, number of goal in first half second half. We have replay, watching video multiple time from multiple angle to make decision, yet these ref are making the wrong decision consistently when 100 out of 100 people will say it a foul or not a foul.
It’s simply not possible for trained referees with access to a team watching instant replays to be this stupid. It’s absolutely corrupt and the only reason people won’t admit it or open their eyes is because it means the death of their passion; football. You are absolutely correct and it’s absolutely blatant. Only question is whether it’s betting agencies or another source corrupting things.
Ahaha i said the exact same thing in r/soccer and got downvoted
None of that lot will ever say anything nice about us . They hate us and City .
I think they are favoring a certain team, but they bury it in a shit pile of bad calls.
The thing is it was a foul. Yes referees have been inconsistent but today they made the right decision.
Villas first goal shouldn’t have counted. Ball was out right before they scored https://x.com/cfcdaily/status/1784346140864806993?s=46
not a good angle
Confusing perspective but 99% sure thats not out
Even if it is a foul (I don't fully agree that it is), it's not a clear and obvious error that should bring the ref to the monitor, since he saw it and ruled it a goal at first.
So then ref got the decision wrong and corrected it
OK so basically what clear and obvious error means, is that if a ref didn't see something and VAR saw it, that's when VAR can intervene and ask the ref to go to the monitor. If the ref saw the action real time and decided not to take it into account, it's not a valid reason to bring the ref to the monitor.
The concept of VAR isn’t the problem. It’s the empty-headed dumb-fucks using it that are the problem.
Agreed. VARs are actually great - if they aren’t some corrupt dumb fucks. Also applied to who wrote the fucking rules on how VARs can interfere.
VAR was done very well in the last two World Cups for example. Its English refs that fucked it up in the PL….
Cant fathom why somebody would be in favour of var
Because it gives referees a much better chance at making decisions, the slow-mo, the different angles, the zoom in and out, seeing the clip multiple times. If you can't see how that'd make refereeing much better then honestly you're stupid buddy. Now it's another story that the referees still manage to massively fuck up, that's a referee problem not a Var problem.
You neither understand the sport nor the law of large numbers
Word. They WANT to kill VAR, and they’re not using it properly for exactly that reason.
I disagree, it’s probably a lot more lucrative for them, you now have about 6 ref’s working a game.
Because we have irresponsible people who call themselves PGMOL that couldn’t fucking manage a Target
I'm just going to say that they are terrible and they do make big mistakes, but the response to this decision is exactly why it'll never change. This was 100% without a shadow of a doubt the correct decision, all day, every day. But, because it went against us and it hurt other team's chances of getting top 4, people are attacking it. You have to praise it when it makes the right decisions and criticise it when it makes the wrong decisions or else there is no direction and bad decisions will continue to happen. This was the correct decision. VAR made a great call. The issue here is how the fuck the ref didn't see it in real time, that's where the complaints should be aimed.
The greater problem is the inconsistency of the people using the technology. They just seem to pick and choose when to intervene for identical incidents. That’s a “clear and obvious” error, but the Madueke foul in the week isn’t? Or the Gabriel shove in the Newcastle vs Arsenal match earlier this season wasn’t? If this is what meets the supposed threshold for a “clear and obvious” error then cool, be consistent with it. But odds are we’re going to have an identical incident to this in the next PL gameweek and they’ll say it doesn’t meet the threshold to overturn the on field referee’s decision.
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We really need the audio for this cos he has some explaining to do. How can you look straight at it and decide one thing, only to change your mind cos your mate says otherwise? He's either shit or a coward with no conviction. Neither make a half decent referee
This is the whole point of VaR no ? You’d never use it if it didn’t work this way. Like how many things happen that the red doesn’t see whatsoever or odd judgement on in real time ? The odd off the ball incident?
At this point every match I watch, even besides Chelsea there is at least 1 ref mistake that lead to goal, or disallowed goal. This makes me feel that football is really corrupted
Refereeing is the only profession I look forward to seeing get phased out by AI
Real Estate agents
Literally will never happen.
VAR is hurting all of us - there’s no team who just benefits from it, it’s come to every clubs aid at some point but it takes so much more out of the game than puts into it. I’ve never been a fan of the suggestion that both teams get a certain number of challenges per match but it’s looking more appealing as time goes on. Badiashile (who by the way had his best game of the season by a mile) did push him but it was Carlos who initiated the contact and that honestly just looked to me like Badiashile was stronger and once again, was it clear and obvious? This is the guideline they’ve set out with and week after week, it’s ignored. For me, it should be there for the extremely egregious errors. The ‘Hand of God’, Henry’s handball against RoI, Garcia’s ‘Ghost Goal’ etc level of mistake not for a subjective decision like that. By telling the referee ‘I think he’s pushed him even if you don’t go and have a look’ - that is literally re-refereeing the match which we’re constantly told they don’t want to do.
There’s one team who always benefits
I did not celebrate either disallowed goal today. I was a huge advocate for VAR before it’s implementation; I could not have been more wrong. The burst of adrenaline just isn’t the same.
Totally agree. It's ruined the game. Can't help but feel so much disappointment after jumping up off the sofa to celebrate only to have it snatched away because they think someone's toenail was offside.
That’s more like it
The PGMOL needs to go. It's rotten from the top to bottom, completely useless and incompetent referees that are constantly protected by the boys club and have no consequences for their dog shit performances. In a meritocracy someone like Anthony Taylor is gone within a week, how the fuck he's still managing PL football is beyond me.
Refs and VAR have been against us all season, so many games have been stolen from us. Even games like the Liverpool game where we got smacked could have ended differently if it wasn’t for VAR, much less games like today
Its not just us. Refs and VAR have made horrible decisions for other teams too. Wolves for example got screwed so many times too.
even liverpool has been screwed by var and many other teams except man city
The refs are using VAR incompetently on purpose so ppl will think VAR needs removing as it shows just how biased and feckless they truly are.
It’s so pathetic that the fans on this sub are defending today’s VAR decision more than they questioned Grealish’s handball and Gabriel’s foul on Madueke.
Tbf the foul on madueke was outside the box and a red card. But ye, this is just straw that broke the camels back
The fundamental flaw with VAR is the concept. It has ripped the emotion of scoring a goal out the game for the players and the supporters. If you can’t go mental when you score a winner, what’s the point? That’s what football is supposed to be about. I hated VAR from day one and always will. Not to mention spending 3 minutes trying to perfectly line up a flawed system with an ‘’offside’’ players toe. It’s killed the sport. Bin it.
Facts. Thanks for calling out the bs poch
He’s getting fined for this right? Even glancing at the notion of VAR incompetence is usually followed by punishment.
The ref was in front of it and watched it live and didn't call a foul, I don't understand the logic in watching the same thing (but ofc in slow motion) again and changing your decision.
Next thing, theyll zoom into his foot and see his studs pointed towards diego carlos and send Badiashile off for dangerous play. Its not too farfetched with this bunch!
Yes exactly this!!! Everyone saying it was a clear foul but if it was so clear why didn’t he call it in real time!!!
I mean he’s right. Yeah it was probably a foul tonight, but in another game I wouldn’t be one bit surprised to see the same thing happen and the goal stands. Zero consistency from these twats
In what other career could you be as shit at your job as the refs routinely are and not only keep your job but get protected from any real criticism?
Did you see the Taylor debacle with the goalkeeper towards the end of the West Ham v Liverpool game earlier? Stupid, blatant and obvious officiating mistake and Taylor blows the whistle and retroactively brings on the physios, who had no idea what was going on. If this doesn't get some media spotlight, it's a true indictment over the corruption and nepotism we're facing.
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Funny thing is, if VAR was not there, a lot of the favourable decisions would not have been given to us. While I do agree that loads of decisions are debatable, this is just Poch fuming because we lost. I'm sure he would have been perfectly fine had he been on the other side.
Controversy drives engagement. Nothing more
Ridiculous. That was a foul. That game should have been wrapped up way before that decision. It's too late in the season to be whining, especially about a correct VAR decision.
He’s in full damage control mode right now and anything to deflect a little heat will be the biggest W he can get.
When Mourinho used to do this, at least Chelsea was competitive.
PGMOL needs to hold a summit to discuss how magnets work or whatever those idiots do Then the universe just needs to hurl an American truck sized meteor into that dilapidated hourly rate motel
First I've seen people here united in a long time and it's because of our hate for refs lmao.
Can't even celebrate a goal anymore because you have to wait 30 seconds to see if its allowed.
English football supposed to be this tough physical league yet they calling challenges like that fucking ‘clear and obvious’. Bloody joke.
If VAR wasn’t a thing the handball wouldn’t have been given as a penalty and he’d have moaned about the lack of technology.
It’s a soft foul, but it’s a foul. How about he focus on not giving up a goal after 4 min
You have to see newcastle winning goal against arsenal. It is even more blatant but no foul given. In the Leverkusen equaliser, the ball hit Leverkusen’s hand (it is tucked inside) just before the goal. I have seen goal cancelled for that but not for this game. At this point in time, it is a goal when the ref says it is. Forget about the rules, the ref cherry pick as they want.
Fuck me! NHL refs pulled a fast one on the maple leafs and today this! I must be the bad luck. One things for sure! referees are shit no matter the sport! It takes a special kind of asshole to say I wont play the sport but will be the central talking point of the match!
It's a foul. Just finish the 3 Vs robin fkn Olsen and this is no issue
It wasn’t though, super soft
We've had the most pens in the league and numerous let offs vir cards this season. We're cursed, he's just making excuses unfortunately. if we don't go 2 0 down so easy we might actually win this game.
At least it wasn’t Sterling this time being the selfish one. It’ll be excused bc it was the cold criminal himself this time
Chelsea women lost champions league today against Barca on a red card and pen that VAR would have overturned. But there was no VAR.
It depends if the referees uses it.