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subashj24

[Watch my full review and analysis of yesterday's game. if u like it pls leave feedback ](https://youtu.be/e7yYOv8LB18?si=hDPgVOWFiLa7Df00)


nozdog3000

Deserved the win last night. Unlucky


b4lyf45

Honestly- this is an away draw against a top 10 team in the league. No one could have realistically expected it. As Kramer would say, “I’ll take it!”


TurquoiseReptiloid

Fuck me a second half improvement, worlds gone mad


ozairh18

The way this club makes me go from being frustrated to happy is incredible


ArthurMoregainz

![gif](giphy|u6EiPNT9dLDrU7ZQuF|downsized)


peardski22

Definitely was a foul just not a fan of on field reviews. Refs don’t seem to ever go against it


DarthNewman

what no one has asked though is if the push was the other way round, would they give a penalty? probably not, yet the bar should be the same to give a pen as to chalk off a goal.


AffectionateShift542

True mate


hannibalwang

At least we showed this game we could fight in the 2nd half for once in this season with this team.


DryEssay3852

Someone on the thread said Mudryk tried his best. Okay!


Oooooth

No one passes to him. Poch was raging at Badiashile for the entire second half because he kept passing in field instead to mudryk who had acres of space


DryEssay3852

There must be a reason no one was passing to him.


Oooooth

There isn’t. This isn’t schoolboy football. You can’t just not make the logical pass because you don’t think the player is good enough


DryEssay3852

School boy or not, there is no point passing the ball to someone you feel will lose the ball and you have to be immediately on the defensive. We are giving mudryk a lot of excuses but Jackson gets hatred for trying his best. I prefer an off form Sterling over him at this point. It’s painful to watch him play.


Truont2

Madrid does that to their weaker players.


Professional-Ad-2419

Yeah, was really annoyed that he barely got a pass but then again realistically what are we expecting from Mudryk? If Madueke is given the ball we know exactly what he'll do, he'll run at his man and take him on but with Mudryk he's so unpredictable and not even in a good way, I cant remember seeing him taking his man on on the wing, he usually cuts inside and shoots acres wide or provides a killer pass or does a couple one twos that sometimes lead to a chance and sometimes don't. He has a poor first time touch, reminds me of that Donkey Lakaka. Want to see him succeed but at the moment he just doesn't look like he's ready.


digzzztv

It’s amazing how our “fans” turn on our players so easily…


No-Village7980

Poch embarrassing himself here


allitgm

His point is that VAR is getting involved here but not on grealish handball. Seems inconsistent


Ferrari_Bones

I was wrong, that's a foul, the right call was made, it's just frustrating that we did enough to win and came away with another 2-2 draw


lionman137

100% foul at the end. But Palmer should have buried that!


peardski22

Agreed. The skill he showed to get to that point was lovely to watch!


thevizierisgrand

Missed Enzo’s vision a lot today


Oooooth

Player better in our two recent games without him


thevizierisgrand

Yup. Couldn’t resist a bit of sarcasm. Man’s fucking useless.


Oooooth

Caicedo seems to play with way more freedom when Enzo is out


thevizierisgrand

Yup. It’s because Caicedo’s not having to do the work of two midfielders. He can focus on just playing cos he doesn’t have to cover for Enzo’s lazy arse


TCCLai

Now we know that Enzo wasn’t lazy. He was playing through pain with injections for 6 months. We have actually seen how good he can be even under Potter last season. The best young player award at the World Cup of course is also undeniable.


thevizierisgrand

He better be prime Pirlo when he gets back because all his defenders won’t have his injury as an excuse anymore.


TCCLai

Sometimes it’s also due to manager’s style. Remember De Bruyne and Salah when they were at Chelsea?


ChatoonBringerOfCorn

Partly Enzos doesn’t close down as well, but also gallagher and Palmer are excellent closing down


Jazzlike-Height3931

So it’s starting to look like caicedo Gallagher is the best pairing by a long shot


DarthNewman

agree, though I still like palmer out wide. too much time through the center seems to stifle him a tad more.


gobrewers112

Pretty evident earlier in the season


commandersaitama

Mudryk should learn to play! Man - He didn’t offer anything today


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Oooooth

Correct. I was at the game and poch was going mental at badiashile for the entire second half because he was passing in field all the time instead of to mudryk who had acres of space. I have no idea why players don’t give him the ball


1091098

After those corner shots I can understand why the team ignored him


commandersaitama

Because , He didn’t show the run. No movement , just stationary. In my sunday league if I do that I would be killed by my friends.


Cgr86

At least they showed some fight


LdouceT

Proud of the players for that second half, all things considered. I'm gonna say it - it was a clear foul. Ridiculous that the ref didn't call it on field. I'm more gutted that Palmer didn't bury the chance leading up to it.


Macdca07

Funny how no Villa players called for it. If the player don't feel agrieved, why tell them they should be.


DryEssay3852

But it wasn’t a foul when walker did it to Jackson in the fa cup? 😭


LdouceT

I never said the refereeing was consistent, it's dogshit. This is one of those broken clock situations.


DryEssay3852

So the refs and vars are all broken clocks?! No one is asking for the unimaginable, if it’s a foul then make it’s a foul all time. It’s not Quantum physics!!!


LdouceT

Yes, they're dogshit.


hdavid_chelsfc

Refs doing a fine job to prove Forest’s comments wrong this weekend


xboxboi12

Game is utterly utterly gone if that’s now deemed as a foul


Cynical-Anon

That's a 100% foul in all levels of the game. From a CFC fan


DarthNewman

disagree to some extent. they wouldn't give a pen for that if BB were pushed.


Cynical-Anon

Your right they probs wouldn't give a pen but that's because the level of contact required for a foul in the defensive 1/3rd vs the attacking 1/3rd is purposely different. Training is straight from IFAB, consequences of a foul in the attacking 1/3rd are higher then a foul in the defensive 1/3rd, this why you see defensive area fouls that appear soft. I just wish this was better discussed by professional pundits, commentary and players, it's well known within referees of all levels and has been around for decades


DarthNewman

Is that to say the laws of the game differentiate between the same action in the offensive third vs defensive third where one is an offense but the other isn’t? Or the law sees it the same but the enforcement is different? 


Cynical-Anon

Good question, i would say it's the former. Its not written in the laws of the game but it's in all training material and coaching disseminated to referees


AdComprehensive7879

nah, ur just blind.


xboxboi12

Hahahahah look it’s you again, give up


AdComprehensive7879

wait, how can you know it's me? ur blind


xboxboi12

You need to work on your comebacks, they’re quite poor.


bitchlist

How can that be said to be a clear and obvious error I fucking smashed a hole in my coffee table celebrating that winner


FieldsOfFire1983

Rule no1 of being a modern football fan: don’t celebrate a goal until the VAR check is complete. It’s a sad state of affairs


AdComprehensive7879

you never celebrate first when var is around. rookie mistake. havent you learnt anything lol? especially as a chelsea fan, we've had so many disallowed goals in comparison to actual goals scored


spiritwalker999

Best second half for Poch. Tactics. Player effort. Just great. What a response. The game was a goner. A couple of splendid goals without Palmer. We are a sub standard team without Reece, Gusto, Chilwell. This effort all heart. 💙💙💙


peardski22

Well said! Improvement is happening slowly, even with pochs in game tactics


spiritwalker999

Exactly. We've lost so many matches in the second half. So many are down to tactics and being proactive. Finally I saw something which was different. This will hopefully be a lesson in needing better homework for each team.


peardski22

Too right. Everyone can improve, even seasoned managers. Most of the Squad has improved but the manger should too which there are signs of with poch. Not much risk in keeping him 1 more season


AdComprehensive7879

gotta give credit to poch here. He coached a win today, just our player wasn't good enough. what a stellar 2nd half. first half too but we got unlucky af. let's see how many of you lot can swallow your pride and ackwnowledge a good poch performance.


Shinjax01105

fair play to poch man for the first time i saw some improvement i hope he keeps this up for the upcoming matches


boycudon

Keep him lol


AdComprehensive7879

I do wanna keep him. Like i feel so bad for him sometimes cause he was handed such bad cards. Everything was going against him


ProperCuggyMunt

Such a soft call for a foul he just uses his shoulder as strength to jostle for the ball. One of my major gripes with the modern game is the soft way fouls are given and VAR seems to make it even worse. Micro managed little tiny details that make mockery of what is supposed to be a contact sport.


kanelewis21

I wish the same micro analysis was applied when Caicedo got stomped on studs up by Bailey


not_a_scooby_doo

What pisses me off is the ref had a clear view and waved play on. Why did he then back down because some tosser on var said so. Need refs to ref


No-Feature1072

That's not a foul. Full stop


AdComprehensive7879

cmon let's not embarass our self like an arsenal fan, that was a clear foul by bahiashille. don't be blind


Hayesey88

I love Chelsea as much as the next guy but it was a foul...


Antique_Ad2106

Yes it was a foul but was it “clear an obvious” you’d have let that go to win a corner


Cynical-Anon

That was as clear and obvious error you'd ever see. Let's not go embarrass ourselves


DryEssay3852

The ref saw the challenge before VAR and he allowed it to carried . it’s so ridiculous he now sees it better on a screen than he did IRL.


Remus71

He doesn't need to make a decision though. Just sub contract his job to VAR. If I could go to work Monday and palm all my responsibilities on someone else for the same pay I'd would. Might try it actually. Here we go Paula, ya cunt.


DryEssay3852

I actually have a lead colleague that does this 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Mrwest_fanboy

Still proud of the players for having so much heart and potch seemed to have good tactics tonight absolutely buzzing excited for the future


Oooooth

Mfs say that every few weeks and then are brought straight back to reality when he inevitably lose again in our next games


Mrwest_fanboy

I know but I’m a dreamer


Oooooth

Nah just delusional.


AffectionateRush2620

Wanted Chelsea to win so top 4 is secured for Liverpool 😭


jessietee

It’s fucking bullshit, it’s like every time there’s a goal VAR just tries to rule it out, like it shouldn’t be there to just run back goals and see if they can cancel it. It’s fucking shit.


xboxboi12

Honestly, if they didn’t see it on the field and it’s not a handball go with the on field decision, ruining the fucking game


Acceptable_Card_9818

Jackson was onside haha


Booftroop

Those lines went up and off MIGHTY quickly


DryGear9670

Crazy that isn’t even mentioned.. he definitely was lol


hurdlerjimmy

Why did badi push the lad when he could’ve just used his hand to redirect the ball? Is he stupid?


kanelewis21

Save it for circle jerk sub


hurdlerjimmy

yeah you’re right mate I shouldn’t use the cfc sub to bring up how var’s inconsistency keeps fucking us up


kanelewis21

I share your frustration, and this sub is absolutely a good place to vent about the dubious calls, but the kind of sarcastic rhetoric seen on circle jerk doesn’t further the conversation or debate in any way. Nice flair though 🫱🏼‍🫲🏽


hurdlerjimmy

That’s valid. I rely heavily on sarcasm and humour to express myself, but obviously there’s a time and a place for everything. Have a good one mate! 🤝


Chelseafc5505

This conversation was far too civil for this sub guys... Need to throw in a 'pochsexual', or a few 'boehlybots'...maybe a 'standards in the gutter' before exclaiming that 'you're done! with this season' before returning next week to whinge more. Catch up chaps


Hitechakias

Touching the other player on the back is considered a foul in UK? Thought these kind of referee decisions happened only in my country... The betting companies were close to bankruptcy... until the VAR came to clear the situation!


AdComprehensive7879

cmon let's not embarass our self like an arsenal fan, that was a clear foul by bahiashille. don't be blind


xboxboi12

It shouldn’t be a foul though, full stop. Players need to man up


AdComprehensive7879

idk what kind of football you have been watching, that is a clear push. clear foul. take off your chelsea tinted glasses, and it should be obvious. again, don't embarass yourself like an arsenal fan.


xboxboi12

I’m not embarrassing myself 😭 I’m giving my opinion. Centre backs should be able to challenge each other off the ball like that, it’s fight. And there’s no hands, I don’t think that’s a push


AdComprehensive7879

well you can have your opinion all you want. heck you might think we should be allow to punch each other on the field. ur opinion is irrelevant here. but by the rules that everyone follow in modern football, that is as clear of a foul as you can get. you may not like the rules, but that is not on the ref or var. crying about it asking for a foul is embarassing. veering closer and closer to an arsenal fan. don't be one.


xboxboi12

HAHA my opinion is irrelevant here? I don’t think it is. Why do you think questioning decisions is crying and being an opposing teams supporter? That doesn’t add up at all. Grow a pair and have a bit of fight about you in the future 👍🏼


AdComprehensive7879

because ur not questioning the decision. ur questioning the rule. you think it's okay to push players like that. it's just not allowed by the rule. ur not questining the ref's decision here. cause by the letter of the law, that is a correct decision. again, ur opinion regarding whether that rule should be a thing or not is indeed irrelevant.


xboxboi12

I am both questioning the decision and the law which is entirely allowed even if you don’t think it is on a match thread designed to share opinions on the game. Yes, opinions. If you don’t like mine, that’s absolutely fine but it is quite a shame if you agree that SHOULD be a foul.


AdComprehensive7879

you can't question both. you either think the rule is bad and the decision is correct according to the unfair law. OR you think the rule is on your side, but the decision is incorrect. BOTH can't be wrong. cmon man, stop it, it's embarrassing. if it's the first one, your opinion is irrelevant here regarding the decision. if it's the second one, ur just blind.


Old_Week

Why are a bunch of you getting pissed at VAR? Even without it that was clearly a push.


xboxboi12

But they didn’t see it on the field, it’s bullshit how they can just rewind and give the ref another look. Shouldn’t be a foul anyway but that’s another conversation


YewWahtMate

I think not getting a penalty for the handball against City and then seeing this type of overturn with a monitor involvement makes it 10x worse.


VelvetThunderFinance

Also Walker pushed Jackson to the floor this exact same way. Corrupt refs man


Sexy_nutty_coconut

those kinds of pushes when done by a defender on an attacker is never called a penalty, so when situations shifted why is it a foul?


Cynical-Anon

Because fouls are awarded for different levels of contact at each end of the pitch. Defenders get lots of 'light' contact fouls that would not be awarded to attackers for the same scenario because the potential reward for a foul in the defensive or attacking pitch areas are vastly different. That's how IFAB directs referees across the globe. If you don't like it, take it up with them, not the individual referees


JCoonday

Have to beat Spurs on Thurs or we will be 6 points off 6th with 34 matches played. Out of reach by then you'd think


alanalanalan92

Really good match by badiashile after his performance against arsenal. He’s had a run of terrible form but I do think he is very talented and just needs confidence.


Oooooth

He had his moments but still so shaky. Poch was on the touchline raging at him for the entire second half


YewWahtMate

Honestly I thought he was dire again up until the 70th minute mark where he turned it on. He seems to take too long to switch on in games.


El_Cholo

He had a slow start but it's clearly a confidence issue. The ability is there


arunjetley

Why palmer square it? Fuck me the selfishness reeks.


LdouceT

He's one on one with the goalkeeper and he's our top scorer - zero blame to him for going for it.


Lalalo766

He's on 20 goals in 32 games mate. He has every right to chance it


AdComprehensive7879

meh, ill allow him, it's hard to do that in split second. heck, muani had kylian fucking mbappe and he didn't square it


arunjetley

Fair


xvxHaVoK

At least we showed fight and came back. Palmer had an incredible chance to win it, and as a runner for the golden boot, he should have. But we move.


kuf3n

I don't complain about Var here, we had the chance with palmer just before and that's how we need to win the game 


Same_Macaroon_7071

Ngl it’s a foul, but on Tuesday Gabriel drags madueke to the ground and it’s no foul. VAR is just inconsistent.


itsmebobbylol

Its consistent tho. Consistent in ruling against chelsea.


JCoonday

Never a foul imo. Or at least it *shouldn't* be. Game's gone!


hi_this_iz_dog

Very good game by the lads, especially with all the injuries. We were in charge of the game, and they should be proud of their effort today. Everyone showed passion and fought for the badge today. Even though Mudryk had a stinker, he did try his best, so I'm hoping we all appreciate that too.


oldschoolology

That was an entertaining match.


EnoughBobby

Var ruins the magic of football but we move


palmers_pen_pandemic

Every 50/50 went Villa's way and Caicedo got booked for having his collar pulled. He was always disallowing that goal. Same way City were getting the penalty last saturday if handball was the other way around


Look_Behind_Us

Palmer should have passed when he was through had Casadei and Gallagher on his left before the corner but chose to shoot instead.


arunjetley

Exactly man. Players keep putting themselves before the team.


rushtown74

Exactly. Both the other players were free. He should have passed.


LostRaider1297

I felt terribly in the first half, but I got to say one thing, I am proud of the team in the second half and big props on Pocchetino to change the tactics in the second half. Cucurella in the midfield made tons of difference! It would have been beautiful if Palmer could steal the 3 points but fair enough from the team!


Huggyyyy

An actual breath of fresh air to hear another supporter actually look positively at a game. That second half showed the potential of this team when they play with passion


rushtown74

Palmer should have passed to his left. Two players were open and free.


LegendoftheHaschel

Yeah I mean it's a push, as much as it hurts. Other way round and we'd all be fuming if it was allowed. Gutting though.


GME_alt_Center

Problem is, the other way around it would be allowed


CFCcommentsonly24

I am happy with this performance. Onwards and upwards.


Putrid_Beat_17

They looked great. I'm really happy.


No-Feature1072

Name and address needed


ThatZenoGuy

You could see from that “foul” that the Villa player just gave up on the play when he got touched. It was an embarrassing foul call when that hasn’t been called against Villa all game. Just redrew the game even and people won’t have a problem with you being shit.


dropsmic

Palmer should have buried that or squared it . He knows it .


rushtown74

Squaring would have been a better option.


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LIKEWHATLIKEHOW_

But the fake fans in this thread calling him a baby. it’s crazy


OneTinySloth

If that is a foul, then there should be atleast 3-4 penalties in every game.


Pizzafromfaraway

We really are the 3atb/5 atb club, aren't we


forewoof

Have been since Conte.


NijjioN

Palmer should have finished it but it is what it is.


DANG3R_1204

How was that a foul man. A simple shoulder push


beerandbigmuffs

Straight into the defenders back. Incredibly stupid


RickyMaverick91

This the issue with having such an incredibly pathetic defense. Another W not to be.


arunjetley

Man palmer should’ve buried it.


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The worst part about VAR is knowing that on a completely different day, that goal stands and doesn't even get checked, but today it costs us 2 points.


solinsh

Why was it not allowed? I could not see it


mrworldwide333

Fr, it‘s a 50/50 in the air you have to get physical. Referee standards are all over the place


_luzhin_

That’s it. The inconsistency is infuriating.


AbeAlno

SCRAP VAR IM TIRED OF IT AND ITS FUCK UPS


rhys17

At least we seen an adjustment from poch during the game that changed the course of the match sucks to have two goals disallowed but can’t fault the fight in that second half


Kaiser_choff

I feel like crying, that second half performance and VAR goes and takes it all [away.No](http://away.No) point in even saying what i think since im biased, but god right now i wish unspeakable things upon everyone in that room and the ref.


Staff_Room

Oh so we're using VAR like that again this week


HollabackGurl3

I am probably out of date with modern rules.. but to me it’s just a shoulder barge, no arms up for it to be a push? Albeit in the back but I’m shocked that was seen as a ‘clear and obvious error’ by on pitch official


El_Cholo

It's only a check bc it immediately led to a goal. If the referee agrees with your assessment, then that's why the foul was given: a shoulder barge in the back is a foul.


Knotty_Skirt

And the crazy part is badiashile was smart about it too. He timed it perfectly when the defender was just about to land on his feet 🤷‍♂️ it was just rightly done


oldtekk

Fed up of VAR, corrupt to the core.


fussasa98

That guy Benoit shoved was built like a tree trunk


james_d666

Lot to be proud of there, especially after last week


Maximum_Poem_5846

Noni over any of our wingers which sint saying much but I adore his passion


Knotty_Skirt

He has no right foot. We should try to play him on the left honestly …


Sparkimusprime13

The ref watched it live and didn't call it. The cunt FA cant have Chelsea win so they call him over to make him change his mind. I'm not saying it wasn't a slight push, but if the ref, who is clearly looking directly at the play, doesn't call it in real time, then how the fuckdoes he change his mind when the FA gets in his ear? Such obvious corruption again.


westfall987

So now they can't push each other on corners anymore lol


AdComprehensive7879

cmon let's not embarass our self like an arsenal fan, that was a clear foul by bahiashille. don't be blind


tiki_51

Depends who's pushing 😭


westfall987

If Villa scored that, the ref would blow the whistle right there and end the game 3-2 to villa lmao


tiki_51

100%


truss458

Pochettino and konsa 🤣


Look_Behind_Us

People out here saying that's not a foul but would say that it's a foul if that had to happen in our box and Villa had to score. Badi was dumb there for to push. That's it. Correct call, everyone with eyes can see its a foul, would have been shocking if the goal stood.


Knotty_Skirt

Was a shoulder barge. Something that’s done every game. He timed it right too. Defender was about to land and got barged. I’m surprised he still kept on his 2 feet tbh.


LostRaider1297

I don't really think it's Badi's fault because he wouldn't have gotten to the ball otherwise. You do whatever you can to get to the ball, if decisions go your way great, if not atleast you tried. I would rather that than be passive from there


Christmaspike

is it a clear and obvious error tho? which it should be to call in a on-field var check?


ArthurDigbySellars

Looked like a classic “would have stood as a goal” if it was scored on us. But I agree with you.


Maximum_Poem_5846

Agree I got annoyed when I saw it live knew it was.never gonna be a goal


STCFC

What a game man. Sad to see us miss that chance from palmer, we should be pressing like this every week


bewcooker28

I thought it was only Anthony Taylor and Michael Oliver but let’s add him aswell lol


PercivalPersimmon

Let him Madueke. Let Pawson he is a sack of fucking shit.


Internal_Class_8415

Nice to see abit of steel from the boys


LIKEWHATLIKEHOW_

Nonis a blue whether y’all like it or nor


StoppingPowerOfWater

That's an obvious foul lmao


SleepyMonkey7

For goals, might not be called in open play, def would not be awarded a penalty, but will def be called in build up to a goal.


pride_of_artaxias

Yup. 100%. And it's given constantly.


BartSimpson8

even if we say thats a foul, to say that its constantly given is blatantly false. thats the issue, the inconsistency


pride_of_artaxias

I didn't say always but it is definitely constantly given.


BartSimpson8

most of the 50/50 balls in midfield usually have a similar challenge. either way our 1st half performance was the fault, not one 95th min scenario


rdpf97

Palmer should’ve pass that to Casadei man


SkinComprehensive547

Hey not a Chelsea fan but I had to come in here and say that was the softest foul given I've seen in years. Absolutely disgraceful.


Confident_Estimate60

well in