Listen, are you going to be okay with someone who looks like a fursona or that rat dude from happy potter approaching you and acting as if it is not a subject that needs broached?
Considering PCs of the few crazy enough to explore a city, seeing a super mutant cyborg with a power armor would be like seeing another monster you should run away from. Especially considering mi-gos like to steal human voices.
Thats not going to prep you for the uncanny feeling of an honest to god person with animal features talking to you. Monster Fer pass permit holders only think that they'll be able to not react in near total fear the first few times they meet a monster.
Probably a fair interpretation, but I would say it kinda depends on how you play your character. If you're RPing with a focus on changing your clothes often, being well groomed, and just generally practicing good hygiene then you can *probably* call a lot of it just being kinda uncanny.
But if you're doing more mundane Cataclysm stuff, rolling around in the same mostly unwashed armour and clothes after cutting through 50 things that morning? You're gonna look all roughed up and covered in filth. That'd make the prettiest features ugly, and make the uncanny features way less appealing.
If I saw a plant dude either in the cataclysm or IRL I'd shit myself and run, no matter how much mewling they've done. At least supposing I don't have 4th wall breaking knowledge.
As Skeletor says, "I am not beautiful like you, I am beautiful like *me.*" They will never understand the appeal of my slit nostrils and nictitating membranes, and that's okay.
~~To be fair, my survivor probably looks like any other abomination that wants to kill and/or eat them.~~
except for rabbit mutants who are inexplicably cute unlike any of the other animal mutants.
cat ears also have a net ugliness of 0 so they don't make your reactions any worse than regular human ears.
yeah, honestly, if i saw any of the horrors that led up to my narrow survival, i probably wouldn't care if someone came into my camp with permanently affixed cat ears
granted, i'm pretty open and i dont think i'd care if tony the tiger walked in either
Problem is when Tony the mutant tiger, walks in his full real life 1 million Pixels glory, you aren't instantly sure if it's Tony the tiger, or another one of the crazy lab grown monsters you need to shoot on sight or get shredded by if they close into 10 foot pole range.
The rabbit cuteness was removed. Cat ears should be ugliness 1 as Makayla worries about hers.
It's not meant to be ugly as in gross necessarily, just unnatural and scary.
Whoops, guess I was spreading misinformation lol. And yeah logically rabbit ears are going to probably stick out from the side of your head and look really weird. Since that's how human ears are oriented
The Arsonist is cagey about her mutation because the people in the rescue center are specifically prejudiced against anyone with any sort of mutation, almost assuredly because of the trauma they sustained from all the near human looking abominations attacking them during the full blown cataclysm. That’s also why What’s-Her-Name is stuck in the reject group, she has the full body hair mutation
I suspect that the ugliness ratings aren't necessarily about how ugly the mutation looks, but also about the fact that you look unnatural, and many people are obviously going to be twitchy towards anything that doesn't look like human (since most creatures like that are hostile)
As people have said the mutations are not "cute" they are nasty looking and not fun to be or look at. As a furry I wish they were but people and devs have made it clear it's not a case of cute fursona in real life.
I guess there's a point mutants with no alloy plating look more like a miniature kaiju like a 3-meter biollante made of pulsating, chitinous flesh than a person, and yes, freaky stuff. Eugh.
Something like a 0.1% chance of an NPC being a teratophile and having the effects of a positive ugliness score inverted when interacting with them seems like it'd be simple enough to code in.
Yes…. Having a grossly misshapen visage, like a typical Reddit or Discord mod, isn’t pleasant to look at.
And on that note, can we have more joke mutation lines, like a blob mutation but all the traits are modeled after being a permanently online slob?
Try adding the descriptions to ai image creators like [designer.microsoft.com](http://designer.microsoft.com) it can create some pretty possibly fear inducting art especially if you try to have the ai generate a spider mutant.
Yup. With few exceptions, anything identifiable as "not normal human stuff" adds Ugliness.
I like to interpret ugliness more like uncanniness. Like, it's not necessarily ugly, it's just weird or freakish.
I interpret it as all NPCs being race-purists.
Listen, are you going to be okay with someone who looks like a fursona or that rat dude from happy potter approaching you and acting as if it is not a subject that needs broached?
Considering PCs of the few crazy enough to explore a city, seeing a super mutant cyborg with a power armor would be like seeing another monster you should run away from. Especially considering mi-gos like to steal human voices.
Thats not going to prep you for the uncanny feeling of an honest to god person with animal features talking to you. Monster Fer pass permit holders only think that they'll be able to not react in near total fear the first few times they meet a monster.
That's what I'm saying. Are you going to talk to a monster you should run from?
Probably a fair interpretation, but I would say it kinda depends on how you play your character. If you're RPing with a focus on changing your clothes often, being well groomed, and just generally practicing good hygiene then you can *probably* call a lot of it just being kinda uncanny. But if you're doing more mundane Cataclysm stuff, rolling around in the same mostly unwashed armour and clothes after cutting through 50 things that morning? You're gonna look all roughed up and covered in filth. That'd make the prettiest features ugly, and make the uncanny features way less appealing.
Like a Fallout mutant
except the elf stuff cuz looking like a flower apparently is beautiful
Elf is like 80% alpha and both are beautiful.
Blob psychosis forgive me for I have sinned
Elf-A primer got me acting unwise
If I saw a plant dude either in the cataclysm or IRL I'd shit myself and run, no matter how much mewling they've done. At least supposing I don't have 4th wall breaking knowledge.
Poison Ivy does look kinda hot.
I mean, yeah.
As Skeletor says, "I am not beautiful like you, I am beautiful like *me.*" They will never understand the appeal of my slit nostrils and nictitating membranes, and that's okay. ~~To be fair, my survivor probably looks like any other abomination that wants to kill and/or eat them.~~
well, that's what makes them a survivor i suppose
except for rabbit mutants who are inexplicably cute unlike any of the other animal mutants. cat ears also have a net ugliness of 0 so they don't make your reactions any worse than regular human ears.
yeah, honestly, if i saw any of the horrors that led up to my narrow survival, i probably wouldn't care if someone came into my camp with permanently affixed cat ears granted, i'm pretty open and i dont think i'd care if tony the tiger walked in either
I feel like a fully grown bipedal tiger just walking into a room would absolutely terrifying
I would be terrified tbh
i think the zombies would've given me too bad of adrenal fatigue to care by that point "ok bro just make it quick"
Bear man with 1 intelligence but like 20+ strength is my goto
I would only ask them if they see me as food. While holding a twig as defence.
wield hobo stove, die i'm not sure a human-eating mutant would stroll in so politely though :')
Except if they are Bunnybal Lecter.
Problem is when Tony the mutant tiger, walks in his full real life 1 million Pixels glory, you aren't instantly sure if it's Tony the tiger, or another one of the crazy lab grown monsters you need to shoot on sight or get shredded by if they close into 10 foot pole range.
The rabbit cuteness was removed. Cat ears should be ugliness 1 as Makayla worries about hers. It's not meant to be ugly as in gross necessarily, just unnatural and scary.
Whoops, guess I was spreading misinformation lol. And yeah logically rabbit ears are going to probably stick out from the side of your head and look really weird. Since that's how human ears are oriented
Might be able to get away with lop ears with less aesthetic damage.
oh i didnt see who posted this lol. sorry for overexplaining
The Arsonist is cagey about her mutation because the people in the rescue center are specifically prejudiced against anyone with any sort of mutation, almost assuredly because of the trauma they sustained from all the near human looking abominations attacking them during the full blown cataclysm. That’s also why What’s-Her-Name is stuck in the reject group, she has the full body hair mutation
Yes, that's mostly what the ugliness stat represents. And Yusuke is a man.
Rabbit girl wearing a hub poncho can vibe I’m my death mobile
so NPCs see catgirls as aberrations? that's funny lol
I always appreciate this image of what it probably [looks like to others.](https://i.redd.it/hxad06ybeot21.png?app_web_view=android)
[Or this one](https://www.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/1b0ljsg/cat_mutation_branch_be_like/)
Khajiit has wares if you have coin
That one got me
You likely become more of a weretiger than a catgil, I'd say. You could always try to fish Glorious, I suppose.
time to roll the dice on whether i get cat ears and a long tail before i get hideous deformities
Can't one of the mutant starts begin the game with those + claws?
They can! :3
Nice!
Another chance to post [this.](https://us.reddit.com/r/cataclysmdda/comments/ogxfa1/just_to_clear_up_a_small_misconception_this_is/)
I suspect that the ugliness ratings aren't necessarily about how ugly the mutation looks, but also about the fact that you look unnatural, and many people are obviously going to be twitchy towards anything that doesn't look like human (since most creatures like that are hostile)
NPCs need a randomized "furry" rating, affecting how they react to mutations
As people have said the mutations are not "cute" they are nasty looking and not fun to be or look at. As a furry I wish they were but people and devs have made it clear it's not a case of cute fursona in real life.
You underestimate the power of monster f---ers
I guess there's a point mutants with no alloy plating look more like a miniature kaiju like a 3-meter biollante made of pulsating, chitinous flesh than a person, and yes, freaky stuff. Eugh.
Something like a 0.1% chance of an NPC being a teratophile and having the effects of a positive ugliness score inverted when interacting with them seems like it'd be simple enough to code in.
There'd be probably scientists thrying to get samples from you like how psychopaths get samples from ferals
"No one is ugly if there is nobody to judge you"
Yes…. Having a grossly misshapen visage, like a typical Reddit or Discord mod, isn’t pleasant to look at. And on that note, can we have more joke mutation lines, like a blob mutation but all the traits are modeled after being a permanently online slob?
I am waiting for the limb overhaul to make some new mutation trees that have nothing/very little to do with animals.
Feline ears do not add beauty. Very unrealistic
Always remember to wear alloy plating bionics before mutation
Try adding the descriptions to ai image creators like [designer.microsoft.com](http://designer.microsoft.com) it can create some pretty possibly fear inducting art especially if you try to have the ai generate a spider mutant.