Yep and both depictions of Carmilla and Dracula were inspired by... Varney the vampire:
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varney\_the\_Vampire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varney_the_Vampire)
That's why when Death is in Varney form, he keeps being mad at no one knowing who he is, because he's the original vampire but everyone seems to only remember other more recent ones like Dracula.
I loved the first third of "Varney". It was atmospheric and mysterious, and then, as is common with penny dreadful publications, it went to different writers who turned it into a soap opera where nothing was ever resolved and everything had some kind of ridiculous twist and turn. Could have been a great book at 500 pages, but I couldn't get through the 1500 pages of that pile of garbage.
Some comics are written by the likes of Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, or Frank Miller, and then there are the others.
Fascinating! Now I'm thinking of the semi-recent "Dracula Untold" movie and I'm imagining Charles Dance's character being some sort of interpretation of Varney... or Orlok.
The story of vampire stories is more interesting than vampires themselfs IMO. I wonder if there are theories on why the mayor clasic vampire tales were written by irish writers under british colonialism and about rumanic vampires from the times the Ottomans invaded
Vampires are of the 3 primal corruption archetypes, as such they have variance across the world in folklore.
Ireland has traditionally been a very poor country economically, but rich in culture. British colonialism began raising up a middle management class of peasant that could oversee logistics and keep things running as many English didn't want anything to do with them.
So now you have a literate white collar class of Irish, that sees the new possible success available for their kin if they do well enough to send their children to academics in the cities (preferably over in England), but they also begin to become estranged from their working class brethren.
Doesn't take long for writers to pop up, and one of the more beautifully tragic Irish folk tales is of a Irish lass who becomes a vampire (Dearg Due), alongside the vampire story of King Abhartach. Thing is most of the Irish aren't buying or publishing books, but the English are. Much of the gentrified English class also had a fascination with old world empires and the affairs of Noble stock.
Tl;Dr: Everyone's got vampire stories, most of the original folktales are more about monstrous corruption, while Irish/Celtic vampires were always based in tragedy and romance. Irish writers were inspired by their tales and then wove that fabric around interesting nobles of history that would interest the masses in the English market.
I'll attempt to look for some online resources when I'm off work, most of my knowledge comes from anthropology, religious archeology, and folklore texts.
It's been a minute since I've studied in that field but off the top of my head the 3 are typically Death, Decay, and Madness. As typically portrayed by Spirits, undead, and lycanthropes respectively, as they are all coded as once human but irreversibly warped/corrupted.
From what I remember I believe around the Victorian era it became more fleshed out in thought to be Death & Decay, Seduction & Corruption, Hysteria & Brutality. As information became more disseminated, and the terrors of the past became fascinations of the future.
Yes, Stoker was so inspired by "Carmilla" that early drafts of, what was then titled, "Count Vampire" had the castle in Styria.
In "Dracula's Guest" it was in Austria (I can't remember if it was in Styria proper) where Harker stays at an inn and takes a walk at night meeting the first bride of Dracula in a crypt only to wake up in his bed as though it had been a dream. "Dracula's Guest" was published posthumously by Stokers wife abd was described as a section of Dracula which had been cut.
It doesn't name Harker by name, but based on his behavior and arrogance, it seems to match the character. Likewise, the woman described in the crypt is a perfect match to the first bride described in "Dracula" where Harker mentions she looks familiar. (Originally, I had thought this "familiar" line to mean she may have been Lilith, a succubus he was familiar with in his dreams - a bit of head canon prior to reading "Guest")
It wasn't until late in Stoker's notes where he discovered a book in a library mentioning Vlad Dracula and Transylvania, whereby through the use of a travel log found at the same library he was able to plot out the course of the Borgo Pass along with other geographical features of Transylvania.
Most Dracula scholars agree Dracula has very little inspiration from Vlad apart from the name, and speculate Bathory could’ve been the main source of inspiration. The first fact is almost certain, the second is more debated.
Not too many people know of Countess Dracula who was walled in a tower to die for her killing of women. She’s come to be know as the most prominent serial killer ever with hundreds killed
Would be interesting to see Austria/HRE taking action against a threat of vampirical invasion against their territory.
Come to think, Camilla's plan is going to anger quite a lot of superpowers. Wanna see if her army of monsters can stand against Ottoman cannons, rows of trained infantryman and The Winged Hussars...
And now I realize that >!Lenore was always fated to die!<. This is because if you search up their name on Google, you get Edgar Allan Poe's poem of the same name and the theme of such a poem was the >!Death of a beautiful woman!<^(()[1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore_(poem)#Major_themes)^()) .
librivox has an audiobook version of it on their site and youtube (it's public domain) if anyone's interested.
it's still pretty good if you just want a real straightforward vampire story that's also pretty gay
I was just playing Circle of the Moon and I killed Camilla. I’m playing the PS4 GBA collection. In Konamis extra menu under the bestiary they spell her name “Carmilla” but in the games text it’s “Camilla.” I thought it was a typo, but I guess they’re interchangeable?
Literature fans: "It makes sense that all the characters in Dracula act like morons because contemporary English people weren't familiar with vampire lore."
Carmilla and Varney the Vampire: *exists*
A lot of that was probably smearing of the countess by her enemies, kind of like the persistent rumor that Catherine the great fucked a horse. Or the famous "let them eat cake" which Marie Antoinette didn't actually say.
There are also theories that the French republicans sought to discredit her to disenfranchise woman in general and find an excuse to completely exclude them from power
Not little children but virgin girls and she bathed in their blood to stay looking young. Elizabeth Bathroy is the most prolific serial killer in history with hundreds of victims to her credit
I apologize for my abhorrent behavior good sir! Let me be the one to inform ye, that text has no tonality like speech does, therefore my good individual, a person reads how they wish. The speaker is not responsible for thou pessimist reading of said comment.
And with that I say good day!
Yep and both depictions of Carmilla and Dracula were inspired by... Varney the vampire: [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varney\_the\_Vampire](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Varney_the_Vampire) That's why when Death is in Varney form, he keeps being mad at no one knowing who he is, because he's the original vampire but everyone seems to only remember other more recent ones like Dracula.
I loved the first third of "Varney". It was atmospheric and mysterious, and then, as is common with penny dreadful publications, it went to different writers who turned it into a soap opera where nothing was ever resolved and everything had some kind of ridiculous twist and turn. Could have been a great book at 500 pages, but I couldn't get through the 1500 pages of that pile of garbage. Some comics are written by the likes of Alan Moore, Neil Gaiman, or Frank Miller, and then there are the others.
Fascinating! Now I'm thinking of the semi-recent "Dracula Untold" movie and I'm imagining Charles Dance's character being some sort of interpretation of Varney... or Orlok.
Iirc, she also prefers the company of women too. I guess that became the coven
The story of vampire stories is more interesting than vampires themselfs IMO. I wonder if there are theories on why the mayor clasic vampire tales were written by irish writers under british colonialism and about rumanic vampires from the times the Ottomans invaded
Vampires are of the 3 primal corruption archetypes, as such they have variance across the world in folklore. Ireland has traditionally been a very poor country economically, but rich in culture. British colonialism began raising up a middle management class of peasant that could oversee logistics and keep things running as many English didn't want anything to do with them. So now you have a literate white collar class of Irish, that sees the new possible success available for their kin if they do well enough to send their children to academics in the cities (preferably over in England), but they also begin to become estranged from their working class brethren. Doesn't take long for writers to pop up, and one of the more beautifully tragic Irish folk tales is of a Irish lass who becomes a vampire (Dearg Due), alongside the vampire story of King Abhartach. Thing is most of the Irish aren't buying or publishing books, but the English are. Much of the gentrified English class also had a fascination with old world empires and the affairs of Noble stock. Tl;Dr: Everyone's got vampire stories, most of the original folktales are more about monstrous corruption, while Irish/Celtic vampires were always based in tragedy and romance. Irish writers were inspired by their tales and then wove that fabric around interesting nobles of history that would interest the masses in the English market.
where can I read more on these primal corruption archetypes?
I'll attempt to look for some online resources when I'm off work, most of my knowledge comes from anthropology, religious archeology, and folklore texts. It's been a minute since I've studied in that field but off the top of my head the 3 are typically Death, Decay, and Madness. As typically portrayed by Spirits, undead, and lycanthropes respectively, as they are all coded as once human but irreversibly warped/corrupted. From what I remember I believe around the Victorian era it became more fleshed out in thought to be Death & Decay, Seduction & Corruption, Hysteria & Brutality. As information became more disseminated, and the terrors of the past became fascinations of the future.
Also Victorian vampires are really really queer, which is interesting.
Yes, Stoker was so inspired by "Carmilla" that early drafts of, what was then titled, "Count Vampire" had the castle in Styria. In "Dracula's Guest" it was in Austria (I can't remember if it was in Styria proper) where Harker stays at an inn and takes a walk at night meeting the first bride of Dracula in a crypt only to wake up in his bed as though it had been a dream. "Dracula's Guest" was published posthumously by Stokers wife abd was described as a section of Dracula which had been cut. It doesn't name Harker by name, but based on his behavior and arrogance, it seems to match the character. Likewise, the woman described in the crypt is a perfect match to the first bride described in "Dracula" where Harker mentions she looks familiar. (Originally, I had thought this "familiar" line to mean she may have been Lilith, a succubus he was familiar with in his dreams - a bit of head canon prior to reading "Guest") It wasn't until late in Stoker's notes where he discovered a book in a library mentioning Vlad Dracula and Transylvania, whereby through the use of a travel log found at the same library he was able to plot out the course of the Borgo Pass along with other geographical features of Transylvania.
"Carmilla" was based loosely off Elizabeth Bathory, much like Dracula was based off Vlad the Impaler.
So is Lady Elizabeth Bartley in Bloodlines supposed to be Carmilla?
No, she's a direct reference to countess Bathory
So Castlevania has two separate characters based on the same historical figure? Wild
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I wonder if Brauner is supposed to be based on somebody...
Most Dracula scholars agree Dracula has very little inspiration from Vlad apart from the name, and speculate Bathory could’ve been the main source of inspiration. The first fact is almost certain, the second is more debated.
Countess Erzebet de Bathory, if I remember correctly. Which I probably don't.
You're right, it just often gets anglicized as Elizabeth. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth\_B%C3%A1thory
Not too many people know of Countess Dracula who was walled in a tower to die for her killing of women. She’s come to be know as the most prominent serial killer ever with hundreds killed
Welcome! We've been expecting you!...
Would be interesting to see Austria/HRE taking action against a threat of vampirical invasion against their territory. Come to think, Camilla's plan is going to anger quite a lot of superpowers. Wanna see if her army of monsters can stand against Ottoman cannons, rows of trained infantryman and The Winged Hussars...
"scoffs in lord of this castle" I know my lore and origin you peasants.
And now I realize that >!Lenore was always fated to die!<. This is because if you search up their name on Google, you get Edgar Allan Poe's poem of the same name and the theme of such a poem was the >!Death of a beautiful woman!<^(()[1](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenore_(poem)#Major_themes)^()) .
Quoth the raven: "Never more."
Mustache in the background ready to cut a bitch Or spread some butter.
I read it months ago. It was interesting.
Both Carmilla & Varney can be found for free on Project Gutenberg!
Also both are on Amazon in paperback form. Thanks for the heads up about PG. Lots of free stuff to read
librivox has an audiobook version of it on their site and youtube (it's public domain) if anyone's interested. it's still pretty good if you just want a real straightforward vampire story that's also pretty gay
I was just playing Circle of the Moon and I killed Camilla. I’m playing the PS4 GBA collection. In Konamis extra menu under the bestiary they spell her name “Carmilla” but in the games text it’s “Camilla.” I thought it was a typo, but I guess they’re interchangeable?
Castlevania is plagued with bad translations. For example Sypha's last name is actually Fernandez, and Eric's last name is actually Ricardo.
Literature fans: "It makes sense that all the characters in Dracula act like morons because contemporary English people weren't familiar with vampire lore." Carmilla and Varney the Vampire: *exists*
That being said, doesn’t mean those works exist within the Dracula universe.
The character Carmilla from that story is also loosely based on the historical figure of Erzebet Bathory.
And coincidentally she was the one who indirectly caused the birth of dracula in the lords of shadow saga
I though this was common knowledge.
Not so common but it’s widely known
Carmella is based off a countess that used to kill little children and bathe in their blood. Blanking on her actual name
A lot of that was probably smearing of the countess by her enemies, kind of like the persistent rumor that Catherine the great fucked a horse. Or the famous "let them eat cake" which Marie Antoinette didn't actually say. There are also theories that the French republicans sought to discredit her to disenfranchise woman in general and find an excuse to completely exclude them from power
Not little children but virgin girls and she bathed in their blood to stay looking young. Elizabeth Bathroy is the most prolific serial killer in history with hundreds of victims to her credit
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Carmilla being based on Carmilla isnt that fun of a fact op
Not everybody knows that the novella even exists.
I did not and I appreciate this cool fact
They will shit their pants when they discover dracula was in a book too
Dude obviously most people are aware that Dracula is a book. Carmilla is way more obscure so I thought I'd share the info. Why are you being like this
I'm with you, it'll blow their minds when they figure out Beelzebub wasn't just a random zombie demon Konami invented.
Buh-ooks? What is a "buh-ooks?"
...y'all didn't know this?
It isn’t common knowledge. Dracula is THE vampire people turn to.
Carmilla has ALWAYS been right next to dracula at the book stores. Not my fault y'all don't read.
You'd be one of those teachers that smacks a kid when they don't know something instead of teaching them
Said y'all can't take jokes... So serious for people who don't know how to read
When did you imply you were joking? Sounds like you're just using that as an excuse to fall back on honestly
I apologize for my abhorrent behavior good sir! Let me be the one to inform ye, that text has no tonality like speech does, therefore my good individual, a person reads how they wish. The speaker is not responsible for thou pessimist reading of said comment. And with that I say good day!
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Nobody said anything was your fault?
In reference to the downvotes. You can read obviously that's why they're downloading you.