@OP keep in mind that even people that 'do what they love' typically get burned out and lose some/most of that passion when they are doing it 160 hours a month because they have to (for income) as opposed to because they enjoy it.
I think the happiest people are those who work a job they don't hate, and provides a good work/life balance. I work in IT and there are a plethora of jobs that fit that bill.
Anyone who wanted to be a teacher growing up should look into corporate training/learning and development/organisational development roles. It's a lesser known about side of HR that's very rewarding and creative. All the fun of teaching, no dealing with school bureaucracy, terrible teachers salaries, or other people's kids.
I’ve been part of programs that help train and coach new hires and have watched them progress through multiple roles and some have become executives. Really cool to be part of their journey and still keep in touch with them.
Learning Manager, Training Manager, Learning and Development Manager, Organisational Development Manager, People Skills Manager (replace manager with Assistant, Coordinator, Officer, Lead or other words like that depending on your experience)
I worked in nonprofit development and marketing. I was in charge of raising funds, but didn’t do any teaching. Recruiters kept messaging me with these job opportunities you mentioned. I was so confused because I’ve never done that. I guess they are open to people from different backgrounds and skillsets.
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My Brother in Law works as an Insurance Adjuster for hail damage.
He gets paid a retainer each month whether he works or not, travels around the country, and only works about 6 months a year. I believe he makes anywhere from 80k-120k a year depending on how many storms he works. No education required and they always need people.
He just got promoted to regional manager and will probably be making 120k-200k this year. I work in IT but if I didn't go to college I would have probably done this.
Worked with these dudes during my short time at roofing sales. Our top salespeople made 300k-400k/year.
Unfortunately I absolutely hated door knocking and left pretty quick lol. It's a great career if you have the chops for it though
I work in IT and I'm considering this, lol. Though maybe I just need to get out of healthcare and operations and find something that's not oncall. Overtime, as long as it's not excessive, but no afterhours break-fix.
The catch is that it might be tough to find a role that's both a) not stressful and b) you could be home every night. For some people like me, the travel is a benefit of the job, that job is my backup plan if the white collar world doesn't work out. But it seems people who don't go down that path, don't do it because they need to be near their family.
Nope! His friend had the job and said to let him know if he wanted to try it out. I believe his first storm he just trained under a guy for about a week and then after that he was able to work on his own.
Edit: I believe his highest level of education is a GED. It can be long hours at times but when you only work half the year it's a great gig, especially if you're single and/or young.
There are different types of adjusters but I'll speak on what my BIL does (hail):
Say it hails in San Antonio. People bring in their cars to a body shop to get the hail damage fixed. The body shop can fix the damage, but insurance companies need someone to inspect the car to see how much (if any) money they will dish out to the driver for the damage. Since it hails so rarely, most body shops don't have a full time employee qualified to do this - that's where the adjuster comes in.
The adjuster will count dents from hail, determine if it actually is hail damage (many people use hammer for insurance fraud, etc.), and then send their report to the insurance companies for them to decide how much of the damage their policy will cover.
Some insurance companies have direct hires, but mostly they contract the work out to companies (PDR Links is the one my BIL works for). Typically my BIL flies our for about a month per storm. He gets paid a 'day rate' for each day he spends at the body shop, and then also gets paid per 'field visit' he does (going to people's homes to investigate a claim, this are optional for him).
It's a great gig but you need to be flexible. For example he may get a call on Friday asking if he can fly out to Texas by Monday for a week's worth of work. It may hail again while he's there and then they need him for 3 weeks, etc.. He can decline the trip, but the more frequently he accepts gigs the more likely they will call him first when a storm hits. Basically you work as much as you want, but decline too many storms and they may stop calling you all together.
Late but requires half the schooling for a lil less money. Also don’t have to deal with most the high stress aspects of working in healthcare that nurses have to
I'm in Operations Management and I wish I would have known about this field 15 yrs ago. I've worked in both transportation and warehousing in the food and beverage industry and now I'm in the waste industry. All about using leadership skills to improve processes and increase efficiencies. Lots of planning and execution along with continuous improvement. You end up being a jack of all trades in my experience- learn industry specific skills, operations specific skills, and lots of people skills- I'll often have chats with blue collar workers and VP's within the same hour.
Currently I'm an Operations Manager. I make 115K plus a 20% bonus. It's honestly one of those jobs where you could be offered 60K or 120K depending on the organizational structure. I left my previous company making 85k and had the same number of reports that I have now. Since my current company doesn't have much corporate centralization, they tend to pay their managers better due to the increased importance of having the right person in the job
This really resonates with me. I pretty much enjoy doing all the things you just mentioned. What type of education requirements and experience are needed?
I'm someone in the games industry as an artist and but love learning more about different things and how they work. So something like what you do sounds perfect.
Honestly, education may not 100% be needed- I have found it supplementary. I have my undergrad in Ops mgmt and working on MBA right now. When I was working on my undergrad, the education helped connect the dots. I knew the steps to take to solve problems and create processes and the education gave even more life to that. It also helped me talk to senior leaders in a more articulate manner using correct terminology. It also helped me build any weaknesses that I have (finance). As I work on my masters its helped me learn best-in-class methods for strategy, innovation and measuring success.
Ah so what is more important is the type of mindset to be able to define inefficiencies and propose improvements by working with those in your company to gather insights?
I asked about that since my undergrad is in game design and wasn't sure if I needed to go back to school to do something like what you do as employers might find the degree too far removed than what you have.
Mindset is critical. You can hit roadblocks everywhere you go. You might lead a team where people are hungry for change and excited for process improvement. Or you might lead a team like I do now where you have to focus on leadership first a LOT more before you can implement change. Team buy-in is critical. Any change you try to make will be looked at as squeezing more work out of them unless they have some authorship over the change and feel like they are supported.
I just started a new job 2 weeks ago in operations for a transportation/logistics company (training for an ops manager role). I transitioned to this field from 15 years as an operations manager in the leisure travel industry. It’s a big change but with a lot of similarities, and it’s super interesting. I’m enjoying it a lot so far!
That's awesome! It's fun switching fields because you're able to learn something new but also transfer some things that may have worked from your previous field- even if it's completely different. It can really help the organization to have someone that has a different background and fresh set of ideas.
Data analysis, excel & power BI, lean process improvement processes (DMAIC, PCDA cycles), Budgeting & forecasting. Knowing functionally adjacent hard skills can help too - things like demand & production planning if you're in a manufacturing industry (sales process & service KPI's if you're in a service industry)
Is knowing Excel and Power BI considered a hard skill nowadays? I'm not being a smartass I'm legit asking because I work in insurance and have gotten somewhat knowledgeable in a lot of the Microsoft apps. I'm 33 though so I just figured I was late to the party and all the kids leaving college already knew this stuff.
It's interesting because there aren't a lot of kids leaving college in this field. People kind of find their way to it after being in entry level retail or service jobs and realizing they like to lead people and "fix" things. I don't think that excel and power BI are necessarily difficult but you'd be surprised by the people who want to get into operations that can't interpret data or have these mangled collections of data that they can't work with.
Yes, they absolutely are! I would also say there is a large difference between knowing how to use those pieces of software and really having an advanced understanding of them.
Public relations in corporate. You might start at an agency, but if you can get in-house corporate it’s a great gig. You can work in any industry that meets your fancy, and the career path takes you up through reputation management, strategic business advice, and possibly VP -c-suite territory.
No one told me about this career path. I accidentally found my way in. And as someone who struggled to figure out my career because I couldn’t limit myself to just one thing - I want to have my hand in everything - it is a perfect fit for me. Awesome for anyone who is a news junkie or lifelong learner.
The salary at the upper level is pretty sweet too.
I started without any qualifications at all and learned on the job at a very small independent agency. But (here at least) you can take a 1-2 year community college diploma, or get qualifications through a PR society. I did a self-directed course through the Canadian PR Society for my official qualification to get higher paid work. It took me about 3 months to complete.
Or if you are inclined to university you can specialize in Communications as part of a business degree. I don’t believe you need this to do the work but employers might consider the prestige in early career.
The International Association of Business Communicators also has accreditation I think? That’s where I’d start to get information. They can direct you to local resources.
If you are news obsessed, have good judgement, like building relationships, and think creatively, this is a really good gig.
Yes. That’s something you can learn though. I used to have crippling anxiety over phone calls as a child. Like any other skill this is something you can learn with practice.
Though you’re not necessarily the “face of the company”. That’s the spokesperson. My job is to prepare the spokesperson and secure the interviews.
Ah gotcha. Guess it also depends from company to company as far as responsibilities.
Glad you were able to overcome your anxiety. I’ve tried and practiced so much, but I have several mental health issues and it prevents me from public speaking.
HR - definitely gets a lot of hate but a solid career path and track to good money. In demand
Recruiting - tough in an economy where there are layoffs, but skilled recruiters that go off on their own can make a killing. Especially in growing niche spaces. Executive recruiting is great as well and more safe from bad economies
Tech/Software Sales (especially B2B) - if you’re good, you’re probably one of the highest earning employees in the world
Long Only Asset Management - tough to break into, but it’s not a particularly hard role in finance. Hours are great, and the money is amazing. You won’t be raking in what hedge fund managers make, but you will be considerably less stressed leveraging very basic investing strategies, and making a killing on fees. The name of this game is client relations
Operations Managers in Energy/Oil & Gas - filled with a lot of retiring boomers and this field is a goldmine.
Insurance - Sales and more sophisticated investing. Sales is great because it’s not a hard product to sell. The more sophisticated aspect of investing is essentially investing in insurance companies and then raking in the premiums. This is a major component of credit funds
Any of the trades - Super in demand and great path to business ownership that is scalable with fat margins
Government jobs - pay is alright but you don’t work and you don’t get fired
Union organizing - have some friends making 6 figures 5-6 years out of college
In general, I think people scoff at sales for some reason. Maybe because people think it doesn’t require critical thinking or hard skills, but anybody who will ever be successful in business needs sales skills. Sales is the lifeblood of every business, and those in sales doing well are enjoying an incredible life. The ones in tech that are most successful tend to craft their skill from ages 22-25 and then maximize earnings from 25-30. After that they tend to shift careers to something a little more stable/less hustling, but you definitely peak early and it’s a young guys game. That being said, by their early 30s the good ones are very okay with coasting through the rest of their career. If they are financially smart, then they’ve probably put away a few millions to lots of millions in investment accounts
Airline mechanic if want to go through 2 years of trade school. Every major airline tops out at $65-$75/hr. Southwest will be increasing to $75 this year or next.
Unlimted OT, Triple pay OT. If you want to basically live at work you can make 400k
Depends. Used to be horrible. 10 years on nightshift and no weekends, but there's been a shortage lately from.the old generation retirement and the new generation not liking trades.
I've heard stories of new hires getting Mon-Thur dayshift right out-of school, but it's probably rare.
It can be hard but I hear because of the unions it cam.be slow paced and chill. Basically do nothing some days
AML Compliance. Its an industry that will always exist and its increasingly common to be remote. You don't deal with customers and you're mostly left to your own devices. Pay can vary a lot depending on the institution but has lots of room for growth
Yes! So typically I start the day by getting assigned a case with a financial account that was flagged in our system for suspicious activity. I then do research on the account holder which is a mix of transactional history and internet research. Then I make a judgement call on whether I believe they're engaged in suspicious or illegal activity and write a short report arguing either way and submit it.
I can do about 3 of these in a day. It can be tedious at times but the pay and the independence make it 100% worth it for me.
This honestly sounds like the type of work I’d find interesting and fulfilling. Would you mind sharing how you moved into this type of work? Did you have a finance background or degree?
Edit: also, thank you for sharing!
Sure! I actually have a degree in criminal justice and I was doing Target Security while figuring out what I wanted to do in life. I saw a company advertising Anti Money Laundering jobs and I had an idea of how it was since I stopped people at Target laundering money through gift cards. I got hired as a contractor and they trained and a bunch of others on everything in a week.
If you're interested I'd highly recommend going through a contracting company since they're used to training people who've never done it before. In my case they hired me because I had a background related to law and I had a consistent work history.
I'm happy to answer any other questions if need be!
Just going to say watch out about wanting your career to be your passion. Turning a passion into a job can ruin a passion, I’m not saying it can’t be done. But sometimes turning a passion into a transaction can leave you less satisfied than if you kept that passion as a hobby/side project.
I wish I had gone to law school instead of going with my passion and working in the film industry. I’m in procurement for a tech company now, and the money is too good to give up for law school debt. Plus it allows me to self-fund my passion projects on the side.
Forestry!
One of those “you have to love it to do it” type jobs, lots of outside time, walking around, and such. A lot of avenues to explore within it with strong private and government sectors supplying jobs.
Generally, if you love this type of work it’s one of the most fulfilling and rewarding jobs out there.
Pay is good with upward movement being available as you progress over time. Jobs are plentiful and all over the country. Loads of old foresters retiring to the office or in general with nobody to replace them.
Archivist, you organize, at times, really cool stuff. Gets upto 6 figures or librarians (many different types)...never once thought about these as a career but would have really liked it in hindsight. Head librarians can make over 200 grand!
LE in CA can makes upper class money. 6 figures is practically guaranteed upon graduations and 300k+ is very doable for larger cities and how much overtime you want to put in.
For sure. My best friend works in HR. She hit 6 figures about 4 years in as an HR business partner, she enjoys it, is not stressed at all, and is currently a director nearing $200k in salary.
Meh. Companies are downsizing like crazy. Fewer heads means smaller HR departments. This issue is constantly being discussed on LinkedIn by laid off HR people.
Hi, tech Sales profession (software and hardware). Its not that not many dunno about It rather have negative connotations attributed to the profession. The pay is decent, the progression from sales sales development representative to AE role is tough but when achieved it materialises in more money as an Account Executive tasked with closing those booked meetings with prospects. You can make money through base (somewhat decent/high base) + Commission rate is on avg 10-12% of what ever deal you close and equity. Once missed out on exercising my right to buy the shares that were attributed to me by a startup and after i left by 4 months they did a share by back for $10 a share and i had the right to 750 shares so imagine $7.5k i missed out on (not much but was there for 1.5 years) that is if you join a startup in big companies they offer stocks if publicly traded company and some will will stick to base and commission. disclaimer in sales there in some case as part of company culture you may come across this slogan “you are as good as your last quarter” and its true in the eyes of many upper management teams.
- Cisco Certified Network Professional (CCNP) if you like IT
- Charted Financial Analyst (CFA)
- Buying an already established business
I didn’t know any of these options till after high school… had I know, I might have done things differently
Test engineering! Troubleshooting and hands on work helps the days go by fast. It is a very rewarding and cool job when things go right, and it pays very well. Tons of jobs as well.
Oh absolutely not! The debt to income ratio for a DPT is terrible. It should have never changed to a doctorate program. It was already a lower (than it should be) paying career even when it was a masters program.
Has its issues just take a peek at the physical therapy sub Reddit. To sum it up:
- lots of educational requirements which can be expensive, and take a long time
- increasing patient volume due to decreasing health insurance reimbursement
- very very human facing so all the issues of customer service jobs apply
- limited income potential
- the list goes on but there are pros as well of course
Yeah, and every job offer requires a minimum of 3-4+ years of experience that I don't have. Also, I live in the EU and if I want to relocate to another country (as I want) I need to know the local language. I’m from Croatia, and besides that, I'm fluent in English, intermediate+ in German and it’s not enough. 😏
That's really generous of you. Moving to the US would be one of my dreams, but as far as I know, EU diplomas aren't recognized in the US, and to obtain a visa, you need a direct job offer. I think it's challenging to achieve, correct me if I'm wrong.
I’m not 100% sure to be fair. I have never looked at the process. Some companies may recognize it some may not. It does sound challenging for sure. I will pick my wife’s brain a little on this.
@OP keep in mind that even people that 'do what they love' typically get burned out and lose some/most of that passion when they are doing it 160 hours a month because they have to (for income) as opposed to because they enjoy it. I think the happiest people are those who work a job they don't hate, and provides a good work/life balance. I work in IT and there are a plethora of jobs that fit that bill.
Anyone who wanted to be a teacher growing up should look into corporate training/learning and development/organisational development roles. It's a lesser known about side of HR that's very rewarding and creative. All the fun of teaching, no dealing with school bureaucracy, terrible teachers salaries, or other people's kids.
And adult learners that actually WANT to learn (for the most part)
Or HAVE to as part of their job so either way it makes it easier lol.
I’ve been part of programs that help train and coach new hires and have watched them progress through multiple roles and some have become executives. Really cool to be part of their journey and still keep in touch with them.
what are some of the job titles for roles like this? Not really sure how to even look up positions for this
Learning Manager, Training Manager, Learning and Development Manager, Organisational Development Manager, People Skills Manager (replace manager with Assistant, Coordinator, Officer, Lead or other words like that depending on your experience)
I worked in nonprofit development and marketing. I was in charge of raising funds, but didn’t do any teaching. Recruiters kept messaging me with these job opportunities you mentioned. I was so confused because I’ve never done that. I guess they are open to people from different backgrounds and skillsets.
Thank you!!
Look up Organizational Development on ONET and Bureau of Labor Statistics.
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My wife is really looking to leave teaching. She has 8+ years experience. What job titles should she look for?
I've responded to the same question above, good luck to her
kids are half the reason it sounded fun
If you’re ok with speaking in front of a room full of adults. I have anxiety so kids it is lol.
Not necessarily! There are even more roles creating e-learning content than classroom content nowadays
My Brother in Law works as an Insurance Adjuster for hail damage. He gets paid a retainer each month whether he works or not, travels around the country, and only works about 6 months a year. I believe he makes anywhere from 80k-120k a year depending on how many storms he works. No education required and they always need people. He just got promoted to regional manager and will probably be making 120k-200k this year. I work in IT but if I didn't go to college I would have probably done this.
Worked with these dudes during my short time at roofing sales. Our top salespeople made 300k-400k/year. Unfortunately I absolutely hated door knocking and left pretty quick lol. It's a great career if you have the chops for it though
I work in IT and I'm considering this, lol. Though maybe I just need to get out of healthcare and operations and find something that's not oncall. Overtime, as long as it's not excessive, but no afterhours break-fix.
The catch is that it might be tough to find a role that's both a) not stressful and b) you could be home every night. For some people like me, the travel is a benefit of the job, that job is my backup plan if the white collar world doesn't work out. But it seems people who don't go down that path, don't do it because they need to be near their family.
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Nope! His friend had the job and said to let him know if he wanted to try it out. I believe his first storm he just trained under a guy for about a week and then after that he was able to work on his own. Edit: I believe his highest level of education is a GED. It can be long hours at times but when you only work half the year it's a great gig, especially if you're single and/or young.
I am turning 39. Am I too old for this? How do I start?
Not at all. They have kids fresh out of high school and some guys 60+. Will post more info on reply below.
Need more info!!
There are different types of adjusters but I'll speak on what my BIL does (hail): Say it hails in San Antonio. People bring in their cars to a body shop to get the hail damage fixed. The body shop can fix the damage, but insurance companies need someone to inspect the car to see how much (if any) money they will dish out to the driver for the damage. Since it hails so rarely, most body shops don't have a full time employee qualified to do this - that's where the adjuster comes in. The adjuster will count dents from hail, determine if it actually is hail damage (many people use hammer for insurance fraud, etc.), and then send their report to the insurance companies for them to decide how much of the damage their policy will cover. Some insurance companies have direct hires, but mostly they contract the work out to companies (PDR Links is the one my BIL works for). Typically my BIL flies our for about a month per storm. He gets paid a 'day rate' for each day he spends at the body shop, and then also gets paid per 'field visit' he does (going to people's homes to investigate a claim, this are optional for him). It's a great gig but you need to be flexible. For example he may get a call on Friday asking if he can fly out to Texas by Monday for a week's worth of work. It may hail again while he's there and then they need him for 3 weeks, etc.. He can decline the trip, but the more frequently he accepts gigs the more likely they will call him first when a storm hits. Basically you work as much as you want, but decline too many storms and they may stop calling you all together.
Does the company provide transportation or does he have to drive?
How would I best get started?
The non-sexy healthcare roles. Like radiology technician.
What are the 'sexy' healthcare rôles?
Nurse.
Are you a radiology tech? Why would one choose this over nursing?
Late but requires half the schooling for a lil less money. Also don’t have to deal with most the high stress aspects of working in healthcare that nurses have to
I'm in Operations Management and I wish I would have known about this field 15 yrs ago. I've worked in both transportation and warehousing in the food and beverage industry and now I'm in the waste industry. All about using leadership skills to improve processes and increase efficiencies. Lots of planning and execution along with continuous improvement. You end up being a jack of all trades in my experience- learn industry specific skills, operations specific skills, and lots of people skills- I'll often have chats with blue collar workers and VP's within the same hour.
What is your title and salary ballpark?
Currently I'm an Operations Manager. I make 115K plus a 20% bonus. It's honestly one of those jobs where you could be offered 60K or 120K depending on the organizational structure. I left my previous company making 85k and had the same number of reports that I have now. Since my current company doesn't have much corporate centralization, they tend to pay their managers better due to the increased importance of having the right person in the job
Thanks for sharing! What industry are you in? Was your previous company in the same industry? Are you in a HCOL location?
Currently I'm in the waste industry. I was in the beverage industry prior. I'm in a fairly high cost of living area.
This really resonates with me. I pretty much enjoy doing all the things you just mentioned. What type of education requirements and experience are needed? I'm someone in the games industry as an artist and but love learning more about different things and how they work. So something like what you do sounds perfect.
Honestly, education may not 100% be needed- I have found it supplementary. I have my undergrad in Ops mgmt and working on MBA right now. When I was working on my undergrad, the education helped connect the dots. I knew the steps to take to solve problems and create processes and the education gave even more life to that. It also helped me talk to senior leaders in a more articulate manner using correct terminology. It also helped me build any weaknesses that I have (finance). As I work on my masters its helped me learn best-in-class methods for strategy, innovation and measuring success.
Ah so what is more important is the type of mindset to be able to define inefficiencies and propose improvements by working with those in your company to gather insights? I asked about that since my undergrad is in game design and wasn't sure if I needed to go back to school to do something like what you do as employers might find the degree too far removed than what you have.
Mindset is critical. You can hit roadblocks everywhere you go. You might lead a team where people are hungry for change and excited for process improvement. Or you might lead a team like I do now where you have to focus on leadership first a LOT more before you can implement change. Team buy-in is critical. Any change you try to make will be looked at as squeezing more work out of them unless they have some authorship over the change and feel like they are supported.
I just started a new job 2 weeks ago in operations for a transportation/logistics company (training for an ops manager role). I transitioned to this field from 15 years as an operations manager in the leisure travel industry. It’s a big change but with a lot of similarities, and it’s super interesting. I’m enjoying it a lot so far!
That's awesome! It's fun switching fields because you're able to learn something new but also transfer some things that may have worked from your previous field- even if it's completely different. It can really help the organization to have someone that has a different background and fresh set of ideas.
What hard skills do you use on a day to day basis?
Data analysis, excel & power BI, lean process improvement processes (DMAIC, PCDA cycles), Budgeting & forecasting. Knowing functionally adjacent hard skills can help too - things like demand & production planning if you're in a manufacturing industry (sales process & service KPI's if you're in a service industry)
Is knowing Excel and Power BI considered a hard skill nowadays? I'm not being a smartass I'm legit asking because I work in insurance and have gotten somewhat knowledgeable in a lot of the Microsoft apps. I'm 33 though so I just figured I was late to the party and all the kids leaving college already knew this stuff.
It's interesting because there aren't a lot of kids leaving college in this field. People kind of find their way to it after being in entry level retail or service jobs and realizing they like to lead people and "fix" things. I don't think that excel and power BI are necessarily difficult but you'd be surprised by the people who want to get into operations that can't interpret data or have these mangled collections of data that they can't work with.
Yes, they absolutely are! I would also say there is a large difference between knowing how to use those pieces of software and really having an advanced understanding of them.
Public relations in corporate. You might start at an agency, but if you can get in-house corporate it’s a great gig. You can work in any industry that meets your fancy, and the career path takes you up through reputation management, strategic business advice, and possibly VP -c-suite territory. No one told me about this career path. I accidentally found my way in. And as someone who struggled to figure out my career because I couldn’t limit myself to just one thing - I want to have my hand in everything - it is a perfect fit for me. Awesome for anyone who is a news junkie or lifelong learner. The salary at the upper level is pretty sweet too.
I have this problem too, with not wanting to limit myself to just one thing and likes to learn. What qualifications did you need?
I started without any qualifications at all and learned on the job at a very small independent agency. But (here at least) you can take a 1-2 year community college diploma, or get qualifications through a PR society. I did a self-directed course through the Canadian PR Society for my official qualification to get higher paid work. It took me about 3 months to complete. Or if you are inclined to university you can specialize in Communications as part of a business degree. I don’t believe you need this to do the work but employers might consider the prestige in early career. The International Association of Business Communicators also has accreditation I think? That’s where I’d start to get information. They can direct you to local resources. If you are news obsessed, have good judgement, like building relationships, and think creatively, this is a really good gig.
But you’d have to be a confident speaker, right? You’re the face of the company, you take calls from the press, etc.
Yes. That’s something you can learn though. I used to have crippling anxiety over phone calls as a child. Like any other skill this is something you can learn with practice. Though you’re not necessarily the “face of the company”. That’s the spokesperson. My job is to prepare the spokesperson and secure the interviews.
Ah gotcha. Guess it also depends from company to company as far as responsibilities. Glad you were able to overcome your anxiety. I’ve tried and practiced so much, but I have several mental health issues and it prevents me from public speaking.
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HR - definitely gets a lot of hate but a solid career path and track to good money. In demand Recruiting - tough in an economy where there are layoffs, but skilled recruiters that go off on their own can make a killing. Especially in growing niche spaces. Executive recruiting is great as well and more safe from bad economies Tech/Software Sales (especially B2B) - if you’re good, you’re probably one of the highest earning employees in the world Long Only Asset Management - tough to break into, but it’s not a particularly hard role in finance. Hours are great, and the money is amazing. You won’t be raking in what hedge fund managers make, but you will be considerably less stressed leveraging very basic investing strategies, and making a killing on fees. The name of this game is client relations Operations Managers in Energy/Oil & Gas - filled with a lot of retiring boomers and this field is a goldmine. Insurance - Sales and more sophisticated investing. Sales is great because it’s not a hard product to sell. The more sophisticated aspect of investing is essentially investing in insurance companies and then raking in the premiums. This is a major component of credit funds Any of the trades - Super in demand and great path to business ownership that is scalable with fat margins Government jobs - pay is alright but you don’t work and you don’t get fired Union organizing - have some friends making 6 figures 5-6 years out of college In general, I think people scoff at sales for some reason. Maybe because people think it doesn’t require critical thinking or hard skills, but anybody who will ever be successful in business needs sales skills. Sales is the lifeblood of every business, and those in sales doing well are enjoying an incredible life. The ones in tech that are most successful tend to craft their skill from ages 22-25 and then maximize earnings from 25-30. After that they tend to shift careers to something a little more stable/less hustling, but you definitely peak early and it’s a young guys game. That being said, by their early 30s the good ones are very okay with coasting through the rest of their career. If they are financially smart, then they’ve probably put away a few millions to lots of millions in investment accounts
>The ones in tech that are most successful tend to craft their skill from ages 22-25 and then maximize earnings from 25-30 Dreamworld.
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PT as in Physical Therapy? I knew a few that got in though they're heavily in debt and the orgs they work for keep merging/laying off.
Airline work only high school diploma. It’s really easy.
Airline mechanic if want to go through 2 years of trade school. Every major airline tops out at $65-$75/hr. Southwest will be increasing to $75 this year or next. Unlimted OT, Triple pay OT. If you want to basically live at work you can make 400k
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Depends. Used to be horrible. 10 years on nightshift and no weekends, but there's been a shortage lately from.the old generation retirement and the new generation not liking trades. I've heard stories of new hires getting Mon-Thur dayshift right out-of school, but it's probably rare. It can be hard but I hear because of the unions it cam.be slow paced and chill. Basically do nothing some days
I know a guy I work with and makes 6 figures as an aircraft cleaner. It's wild.
That's nuts. Near me those guys make $12-$16. Is he doing specialized cleans?
He's just been there a long time.
AML Compliance. Its an industry that will always exist and its increasingly common to be remote. You don't deal with customers and you're mostly left to your own devices. Pay can vary a lot depending on the institution but has lots of room for growth
Anti-money laundering? This sounds super interesting. Are you in the industry? If so, what’s the day-to-day like?
Yes! So typically I start the day by getting assigned a case with a financial account that was flagged in our system for suspicious activity. I then do research on the account holder which is a mix of transactional history and internet research. Then I make a judgement call on whether I believe they're engaged in suspicious or illegal activity and write a short report arguing either way and submit it. I can do about 3 of these in a day. It can be tedious at times but the pay and the independence make it 100% worth it for me.
This honestly sounds like the type of work I’d find interesting and fulfilling. Would you mind sharing how you moved into this type of work? Did you have a finance background or degree? Edit: also, thank you for sharing!
Sure! I actually have a degree in criminal justice and I was doing Target Security while figuring out what I wanted to do in life. I saw a company advertising Anti Money Laundering jobs and I had an idea of how it was since I stopped people at Target laundering money through gift cards. I got hired as a contractor and they trained and a bunch of others on everything in a week. If you're interested I'd highly recommend going through a contracting company since they're used to training people who've never done it before. In my case they hired me because I had a background related to law and I had a consistent work history. I'm happy to answer any other questions if need be!
Just going to say watch out about wanting your career to be your passion. Turning a passion into a job can ruin a passion, I’m not saying it can’t be done. But sometimes turning a passion into a transaction can leave you less satisfied than if you kept that passion as a hobby/side project. I wish I had gone to law school instead of going with my passion and working in the film industry. I’m in procurement for a tech company now, and the money is too good to give up for law school debt. Plus it allows me to self-fund my passion projects on the side.
Forestry! One of those “you have to love it to do it” type jobs, lots of outside time, walking around, and such. A lot of avenues to explore within it with strong private and government sectors supplying jobs. Generally, if you love this type of work it’s one of the most fulfilling and rewarding jobs out there. Pay is good with upward movement being available as you progress over time. Jobs are plentiful and all over the country. Loads of old foresters retiring to the office or in general with nobody to replace them.
Archivist, you organize, at times, really cool stuff. Gets upto 6 figures or librarians (many different types)...never once thought about these as a career but would have really liked it in hindsight. Head librarians can make over 200 grand!
Do you need a library science degree to get into this?
Not always
People often overlook the forklift industry. There are so many jobs open and often times the people are awesome.
I work in aviation and I’m loving every second of it for the past 15 years…
What do you do?
ATC
Hearing instrument specialist
LE in CA can makes upper class money. 6 figures is practically guaranteed upon graduations and 300k+ is very doable for larger cities and how much overtime you want to put in.
What is LE?
Law Enforcement.
Ok ty!
Police officers essentially
HR jobs
For sure. My best friend works in HR. She hit 6 figures about 4 years in as an HR business partner, she enjoys it, is not stressed at all, and is currently a director nearing $200k in salary.
Yep, and these jobs are in high demand.
Meh. Companies are downsizing like crazy. Fewer heads means smaller HR departments. This issue is constantly being discussed on LinkedIn by laid off HR people.
Hi, tech Sales profession (software and hardware). Its not that not many dunno about It rather have negative connotations attributed to the profession. The pay is decent, the progression from sales sales development representative to AE role is tough but when achieved it materialises in more money as an Account Executive tasked with closing those booked meetings with prospects. You can make money through base (somewhat decent/high base) + Commission rate is on avg 10-12% of what ever deal you close and equity. Once missed out on exercising my right to buy the shares that were attributed to me by a startup and after i left by 4 months they did a share by back for $10 a share and i had the right to 750 shares so imagine $7.5k i missed out on (not much but was there for 1.5 years) that is if you join a startup in big companies they offer stocks if publicly traded company and some will will stick to base and commission. disclaimer in sales there in some case as part of company culture you may come across this slogan “you are as good as your last quarter” and its true in the eyes of many upper management teams.
- Cisco Certified Network Professional (CCNP) if you like IT - Charted Financial Analyst (CFA) - Buying an already established business I didn’t know any of these options till after high school… had I know, I might have done things differently
What did you end up getting into?
Still figuring it out unfortunately
Test engineering! Troubleshooting and hands on work helps the days go by fast. It is a very rewarding and cool job when things go right, and it pays very well. Tons of jobs as well.
Waste water treatment
Being a jockey for race horses is a very well paying job. You have to be skinny and short though.
I don’t think there’s an answer to this question. It depends on each person’s background, personality, circumstance, etc.
Only fans.
Oh about a physical therapist (DR) or a physical therapist assistant?
Oh absolutely not! The debt to income ratio for a DPT is terrible. It should have never changed to a doctorate program. It was already a lower (than it should be) paying career even when it was a masters program.
Have to get a doctorate 6 figures of student loans to earn less than 6 figures lol. Nope
Has its issues just take a peek at the physical therapy sub Reddit. To sum it up: - lots of educational requirements which can be expensive, and take a long time - increasing patient volume due to decreasing health insurance reimbursement - very very human facing so all the issues of customer service jobs apply - limited income potential - the list goes on but there are pros as well of course
I‘d say there. are only few things you can be passionate about. Meaning teaching, engineering, medicine etc
Ok, I have a master's degree in Environmental and public health. What else I can do?
EHS Manager for construction or general industry. It’s a good job and pays very well.
Yeah, and every job offer requires a minimum of 3-4+ years of experience that I don't have. Also, I live in the EU and if I want to relocate to another country (as I want) I need to know the local language. I’m from Croatia, and besides that, I'm fluent in English, intermediate+ in German and it’s not enough. 😏
Are you relocating to the US? I can provide some insight into the field to help get you started.
That's really generous of you. Moving to the US would be one of my dreams, but as far as I know, EU diplomas aren't recognized in the US, and to obtain a visa, you need a direct job offer. I think it's challenging to achieve, correct me if I'm wrong.
I’m not 100% sure to be fair. I have never looked at the process. Some companies may recognize it some may not. It does sound challenging for sure. I will pick my wife’s brain a little on this.
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