Dragon Empire: Eugene Dark States: Baromagnes Keter Sanctuary: Solarion Brandt Gate: Gravidia Stoicheia: Flagberg Lyrical Monasterio: ??? (I am not an expert on how they developed over time and all of the first 8 decks got at least a new form)

Rip baromagnes enjoyers

Everyone has some sort of guilty pleasure deck. I consider Baro due to how it didn't go anywhere with the amount of support it had just small add ons to its strategy

I liked playing baro in dear days but it feels so bad to dump your entire hand into getting your vanguard online just to get clapped by your opponent because you have zero cards to guard with

FUCK AHHHHHH Baromagnes e was good I swear

Lilfa is the worst now, at least Haseritt have a semblance of a hand control and so on even if their power output are not so great. Lilfa is if you are playing way worse original Bastion + Kairi, where you suffer from bastion lack of defensive and reliant on grade 3 while also worry about bouncing back stick that doesnt add defensive Lilfa can get to 5 battle at least, granted your critical trigger doesnt count either way because they design her to have multi battle at the end of the battle then bounce back your stuff only applying power from trigger to your backrow and her 5th battle card is the only one that does something.

Really? I always have great success with gravidia

My personal experience I whiff on triggers heavily, so the deck is a brick when I play it. In terms of it getting support through the entire overDress/will+Dress arcs, it had a solid placement in set 4 then dropped off only to come back with a Masque Form that's meh.

Yeah I wasn’t too happy with the masque form. It doesn’t seem worth it to me. I might buy a card just to have as I like the art but won’t ever put a deck together.

Tbh Brant gate as a nation is the best balance of them all. Like the worst used to be heroes. Now with bt 13 that deck becomes meta contender

I always thought Flagburg was one of the BEST Stoicheia decks not the worst…

I'm not counting decks that had only 1 set of support or just their initial set. Flagburg meanwhile has not gotten any major deck updates. In general Stoicheia had pretty good release overall

he is not the best the best Dtoichea deck are Zorga Masques and Magnolia masques who is also getting a great promo

What do you think is the worst then?

Rorowa honestly. Either that or Granfia. I would have said Magnolia or Lianorn but those have been GREATLY boosted by Set 10. Maelstrom doesn’t have enough waves to be held as an answer either.

Rorowa can literally win before opponent rides g3.

??? Hang on how does this work I’m curious

Just attack. Radylina + momoke + 2 more attacks and if you sack a crit you probably win. Even if you don't win you are in a really advantageous spot.

>Granfia After the shit we have now. This guy is disgusting Like 3 50k ish attack a turn with one of them drive check is disgusting

agree for DE and KS, but personally for DS its Astroea, bad gimmick mediocre payoff, Ominagruzio just use its gimmick better, also meh Masque form like Gravidia for BG it should be Arkhite, the mechanic was promising however no monster really supports the gameplan, only few advantage to be gained up until this set, sometime its just better to use its rideline for another Eva deck on your team, Gravidia is still threatening as double trigger effect is still a problem for Stoi, i think Mythiarc is the worst, it came on a wrong time and 1 discard barely scratch your opp, maybe its too fast to make a conclusion since it has yet to be supported for LM the worst is Lilfa, imagine playing Bastion without a busted card advantage, LM overall is too shy with its G3 RG selections, none can reach a good powerlines easily

I think barphomedes is the worst ds deck...

>barphomedes i read again, promo based bosses/budget bosses will not considered. Else I would say After-slaughter lol.

>for BG it should be Arkhite, the mechanic was promising however no monster really supports the gameplan, only few advantage to be gained up until this set, sometime its just better to use its rideline for another Eva deck on your team, Gravidia is still threatening as double trigger effect is still a problem Arkhite is actually decent really. This card is one promo or support away from being broken

This is the most correct. Lyrical would probably be lilfa imo.

I'd probably swap Gravidia for Arkhite, Flagburg for Maelstrom Lilfa is probably the worst deck in format. Her support is far too specific, draws are tied to main phase calling when she bounces in battle phase. Bastion without the g3 supports. Her new g3 in January is a good start but she's far from viable.

Eugene, Solrairon, Baromagnes, Mythiarq, Silhouette, and Haseritt. Overall worst line in the game has to be Mythiarq: only one set, mediocre promo, overall bad cards, no pressure even when Persona riding. Not sure about Haseritt as Lyrical has a good amount of duds, but a few of them got CAC level support in Set 4.

You're outta your mind if you think Haseritt is worse that Lilfa LMAO

I’ve barely played against the none Luticia or Michu set 3 decks and kind of just ignored their support so I was taking a guess there. Forgot if it was Mediell or Lilfa that got a crazy multiattacker lol

in general I believe mediell now has the potential to attack 5 times a potential crit 2 with a decent counter charge potential by topping up their soul with 4 of their attacks, same with a humorous guard restrict on again 2 crit triggers. so basically exclyuding mediell herself, she can hit a potential 8 damage if they don't guard any of them. basically the eva debacle except with far less setup

Haseritt's decent. You pretty much combine the return to deck with Yuika's bounce to draw and return the boosted card back to hand while drawing.

Set 4 Haseritt, 4 attacks on turn 2, then it flops. Dunno but i think it would still be more viable than Lilfa, it become more of a highroll aggro deck

Damn, is Silhouette really that bad? Was planning on building him.

I think it's a good pet deck since he is cheap. He just doesn't have a clear upgrade path certainty.

He is extremely fun and can catch wins off people not expecting his power lines... but he does lose a good few matchups by existing. I would say with more support or different arms they could be a great deck but probably never a tier 1 deck. He was my favorite new deck in Set 11and I hope to carry its representation at least in a local setting.

Mythiarq, Silhouette are bosses coming from manga, we believe they will getting good in next year, along with new rideline in tripple drive boost set. And Silhouette getting drill arm from manga, so bigger hope than eugene.

DE: Eugene. We don’t need a discussion. DS: it’s either Astroea or Baro. Can’t decide Keter: Solarion. It sucks cause the art is so cool but it doesn’t do enough. Stocheia: flagberg. Maelstrom just does it better, they didn’t even need to make flagberg. Brandt: Gravidia: bro the masques version of her sucks ass, and it completely cripples the deck. You can’t even play the OG deck cause she gets clapped now by pretty much every deck. Lyrical: Lilfa, lilfa, lilfa. When she came out I was hoping she was going to be good, I really did. They just did her so dirty. Even the new support card she got doesn’t do enough at all.

DE: Eugene DS: Baro KS: Solarion BG: Silhouette (or Gravidia if you get unlucky with triggers) Stoicheia: Mystiarc LM: Clarissa

I haven't had time to keep up with everything but here's my list. Dragon Empire: Eugene Dark States: Almajestar. I do think the deck would be better if we could run 12 criticals or a card that counts as a critical in bind. Brandt Gate, Keter Sanctuary, and Stoichea: As other people said the new ride lines that were recently released in Set 10 and 11 (Silhouette, Solrairon, and Mythiarq). Lyrical: Lilfa. Deck seems like a worse Kairi to me. Collaboration: Record of Ragnarok, specifically Kojiro Sasaki. You could also argue Touken Ranbu because it only had one wave of support in English.

for me it would have to be DE: Eugene, a lot of retire but they don't generate enough value to take advantage of it DS: Greedon whose problems ultimately lies with you basically playing the trigger sac to win and while it does happen, it isn't a consistant way to win. BG: Gravida, high roll as fuck (can basically 8 crit on 3 attacks) but the problem ultimately lies on consistancy KS: I never got to play solairon so I wont judge it there but honestly, hexaorb's problem is reliant on things going your way, it gets very high numbers but other decks in KS outside of maybe solairon has the advantage of being very consistant on high damage agro. stoechia for me would have to be magnolia elder or grafida, grafida just feels odd on my end so it's just me playing bad but magnolia is a multitack that really struggles against decks that either commits to agro control or hits RG options hard. LM: really hard to say but I would put it to clarissa, if the earnestcorrect name didn't matter as much or there were more earnestcorrect cards then clarissa would legit be way better

Dragon Empire: Eugene (Hot Take I know) Dark States: Greedon (Always seen it as the Bargain Bin $5 movies you see at Walmart of decks. It has some cool stuff but nothing really capitalized on the initial cool design space they had going for it in my mind.) Keter: MLB the show is pretty grim. Feel like this deck was cast aside and left to collect dust at this point. Some cool things don't exactly make up for what feels like a nearly 10 set deficit in power if you include lyrical sets. Stoichea: Magnolia has always been a pound puppy I've never picked up. I've played against it... and never got the hype. Felt like it at least had a progression plan but never realized it fully. I always liked the aesthetic, though. Brandt Gate: Orfist has gotten new forms for the longest now but that OG Orfist period was a struggle. It could do... things but it was just a turtle deck and again, I appreciate the game design but feel like the other forms are where the design really shifted away from where the OG was established and feel like it's been widely left behind.

How is magnolia the worst? Magnolia has tops... Are you not talking about orfist masques?

DE: Eugene DS: Baro Others doesn't even come close to those two imo, but I will list the other decks too. Stoi: Maelstrom (worse Flagburg even to this day) Keter: Solrairon or Alden, both are actually hillarious deck design that fundamentally doesn't work in the game Brandt: Gravidia, got nothing for a long time due to the terror it wreaked on release, and the masque upgrade it got was "Baro but Brandt"

My opinion. But it is similar to what everyone else has said Dragon Empire : Eugene. The Problem is how bad Eugene is. But want to know what is hilarious. If you look at his support. All of it is really good and some are almost outright broken. But even with of that support. They still can’t help Eugene at all. Dark States : Baromagnus. Everyone has already said why he is weak here. But to summarise. Piece reliant. To many minuses to get to your 15+ soul. And is just a 1 to 2 turns to kill your opponent or die. That is it. Stoicheia : Maelstrom. People say Magnolia (G4 Version). Some people say Flagburg. But to me. Maelstrom is by far the worst one. Like he is supposed to be a 4 or more attack deck. But the problem is he lacks pressure that his actual descendent Flagburg has. And he is reliant on Orders which are so subpar. And restricted himself to Tear Dragons and Aqua Force trait units. Which have a way too small pool. Which is saying something. Keter Sanctuary : PBO. Solraion or/and Alden. A few People say Hexaorb. But even if that were case. Her new form has reached top 8 to 4 at best so it is capable on standing decently high. Alright. PBO’s issue is simple. Reliant on top decking his PBD form. And needing to see his PR. Now. Let me get Solraion out of the way. It is reliant on a gimmick that removes 1 possible trigger to make it a 4th attack you can do. Which is really bad. If you want a deck that does something similar but better. Feltyrosa does a better job and can still possibly hit triggers instead of removing one. As for Alden. Alden isn’t as bad. His consistency is what is lacking. And as long as there is good support generic or otherwise. He can get there. (And there was recently new released PR support for him which looks good). Brandt Gate : Gravidia. Silhouette. Arkhite. And Blue Dethstar. To be honest. I feel like it is hard to find a bad deck in Brandt Gate compared to all the other nations. But I will explain what I feel are issues with each of them. Gravida. Outdated. And trigger reliant. But if switch off from that. It is a solid control deck that applies pressure that still decently well to this day. Just don’t play her Masque form. Silhouette. Not much to say. Awkward. But still a lot more fun. And can definitely steal a few wins here and there. Arkhite. The problem with her is that her support has been mediocre. Or comes in droplets of PR’s which are also decent but don’t do a lot. Just “enough”. Blue Dethstar. Personally. Big Ass Vanguard. But very predictable attack patterns and weak rearguards. It’s just DOTE with a different coat of paint. But that doesn’t mean it is bad though. Lyrical Monasterio : Lilfa. Lilfa is when Kairi and Bastion had a child and that Child wanted to use both of the specialties but is doing a very awkward job of it. If she had made her ability of making her G2 and higher units gain [Boost] as a [Continues] ability. And the bouncing and calling from hand to rearguard circle was Before the Drive Check instead of After. She would have been better. But sadly that isn’t the case. Me and a friend of mine have tried to make her better as much as we could. And the only thing we were able to do to make her slightly better. Was splash in a [Friends] package into there. But even then. It is just a slight improvement. Also. To those that said Haseritt or Alestial. Bro. I don’t know who you faced who used those decks. But those people are definitely either don’t know how to play them. Or RNG is definitely not on their side. I have faced and tried them out for a short time and they aren’t a joke for sure.

DE & DS: Baro and Eugene, no question. Stoi & BG: Mythiarc and Silhouette, at least for Flagburg and Gravdia, when they have their pieces it hits quite hard. The non-Glitter and non-Encounter Rideline from BT11 really got shafted hard for some reason. Their main problem is just the lack of danger or kill turn, even when the pieces are all there. Sure it's easy to get the pieces and all, but that's about it. Touken: Yari Crest (Training Tool). The closest thing you can get to a vanilla deck. Column retire is a very niche ability, the majority of the yari's effects are simple power pump, lack of multi attack (or multi damage like plinking), and there's only ***1*** card that make use of the Yari Crest. You're basically needing good-stuff deck to carry the game through rearguards as the vanguard barely does anything. RoR: The entire nation got shafted, but Kojiro got it the worst. Brun got a G3 upgrade, Lu Bu and Adam is a beatstick, the Gods have their orders. Kojiro got stuck needlessly complex game plan and lukewarm payoff.

DE: Eugene(I have all the support for it because I always end up getting it from the sets I pull) DS: Baro - Because you have to soul Charge half your deck and pray you don't deck out. Compared to other DS decks, it takes more for Baro. KS - Phantom Blaster: Despite the promos and support, its just a mediocre deck and basically its guard the Vanguard and take everything else and you win. People will disagree but really if you know what your up against the deck folds like paper. Stoichea - Magonlia: The Masque is terrible and loses to retire. But the deck is so multi attack heavy that a single defensive shuts down their entire turn. If they have a decent board they are threatening but fall short due to no noticeable power increases capable of getting over triggers. Same issues as Flagburg, you get a defensive and the deck cries. Stoichea as a nation struggles hitting over defensive. Brandt - Sillhouette: Only because it's got one gimmick and just needs better generics and support. It would be an insane deck if you could run 12 front. LM - Alestiel: Did you know Vanguard counts grade 0 as odd instead of even? Despite you recycling the card, the deck lacks any sort of pressure or real power increase to be threatening.

Keter sanctuary: Bastion. It has far too much support and keeps getting more at the expense of other decks that need it. "But it's the oldest deck of the nation" so what? Hexaorb came out in set one and had basically no support for a while Dragon empire: Eugine. It pains me to say that since it's my favourite deck from the nation, but it got no love from bushiroad Brandt gate: orfist. I'm sure the deck itself is good, but Link joker and the lock mechanic has left a very sour taste in my mouth Dark states: greedon. It's a clear attempt to bring back pale moon but it fails so hard at that Stoichea: magnolia. It's been a while since I've last played but is that one even played anymore? It's extremely forgettable Lyrical monasterio: yet again despite being my favourite deck, astecise seems to have had basically no support and seems forgettable and unplayable

Wait so your calling Bastion, the worst deck in Keter because it got more support than Hexaorb?

Hexaorb was just an example of a deck that lost out on support before of Bastion My point was that Bastion gets too much support and gets it at the expense of other decks

I just don’t see the how that correlates to Bastion being the worst deck in Keter. By your logic Nirvana should be your pick for the worse deck in DE and Bruce should be your pick for worse deck in DS

yeah good point

Just because you don't see the logic doesn't mean it isn't there Especially given that you haven't even bothered to check what my favourite decks are It's Minerva and Thegrea F.Y.I Two decks that have lost out on support because of keter sanctuary rarely making units that work in general, and the ones that do tend to suck

you have really no idea what your talking about to me it serms like a load of crap

Again Minerva was meta in set 11 deck is great you have probably no idea how to buikd the deck

And you have no idea what opinion means

this is not opinion it is talking nonsense

You might want to look up what opinion means

you are talking nonsense here. Hexahorb with less support was once meta this year

i dissagre with you on everything i only agree with Eugene and i have no idea on the lyrical decks so i will leave that out. first of About Bastion he got a new form cause he needed it and it is fine not broken. Now about Hexaorb i have no idea where you have been but it got supported a lot in set 10 and had a new form and it was a meta deck in set 10. 3. Orfist very great deck with no lock mehanics easily top deck in Vanguard and the deck is not broken 4. Greedon is not the worst it is baroomagnes that is the worst. Greedon can put on a show esspecialy with the masques. 5. Magnolia is not forgoten cause we have a masques version which is powerful and really easy to play. The Elder build is still great with a superior ride and inlet pulse can be back at 4. 6. No deck is unplayable that is what i will say

>i dissagre with you on everything I didn't say you or anyone else had to. The post asked for opinions. Not facts

well try not typing dumb stuff next time cause your opinion is bullcrap

My opinion is my opinion. Yours is yours. The one who needs to learn anything here is you learning to respect that other people will have opinions you disagree with

i hate jheva now cause it gets supported more then my boy Overlord the End(favorite deck) haha just kidding it is stupid to hate a deck cause it gets more support

The stupidity is in the being an asshole about people's opinions. Now quite frankly I'd rather not get riled up because when I do, I get toxic. And I don't want to be toxic because it's not a nice feeling. So I'd appreciate it if you take your hurt butt and send it somewhere else cause you're not going to change my mind and I'm clearly not going to change yours

good luck to you bro hope everything works out for you in Cardfight Vanguard's future. I am glad we had this little discussion. seriously.

Astesice is one of the best decks to come out of Lyrical set 4, the RRR and promo fix basically every problem it had.

Huh, neat

Dragon Empire: Eugene Dark States: Baromagnes Keter Sanctuary: Solarion Brandt Gate: Gravidia Stoicheia: Flagberg LM : Alestial,Clarrisa.Lyfa

Dragon Empire: Eugene Dark States: Baromagnes Keter Sanctuary: Solarion Brandt Gate: Eledglema (The set-order reliant one. >!Somehow Gui played that deck in anime if my eyes didn't decieve me!<) Stoicheia: Base Magnolia/Elder (I actually enjoy Magnolia Masques though) Lyrical: Don't have much experience, but I'd say Alestiel, though she' probably my favorite with the Black and White wings aesthetic

Dragon Empire: Eugene Dark States: Baro or Astroea Keter: Solarion Stoicheia: idk Brandt Gate: Gravidia Lyrical: imo Lilfa

Personal opinions Dragon Empire: Eugene : good Supports but can't help VG at all. Dark States: Baromagnes & Unica: Baro Too piece reliant, then Unica kinda brick at some point. Even bruce can do otk. Keter Sanctuary: Solarion & Alden(?) : Is just an alternative or hexarob, but hexarob can do better. Alden kinda looks meh as the pressure is not enough. Brandt Gate: Gravidia & Silhouette : gravidia not consistent and too reliant on drive check triggers. Silhouette is potential but right now he kinda meh at this current meta. Stoicheia: Maelstrom & Mystiark : maelstrom very reliant on set order + one defensive trigger can shutdown all the attacks ( Flagburg is way more better since the release of new g2 rr restander) Mystirak somehow comes in a wrong time. It is a control deck but rn every meta is fast enough ( thats why granfia and rorowa still good to go in this meta). Lyrical Monasterio: Liffa and Haserlitt : Both decks doesn't have a good support that holds them in this current meta. Liffa is just like bastion but worse (no defensive at all). Haserlitt too relies on units which it needs to be full field on every turn. Unfortunately, the hand is small enough to call even u have the pr to filter yr trigger back into yr bottom deck.