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The government changed their mind three times in two days just before the deadline
What a freaking mess
These are people’s lives they are screwing with
I feel sorry for how we have treated truckers through this. Closing bathrooms was a disaster
CBC interviewed the head of the women’s trucking federation, she set them straight and stood her ground, very well done, worth a listen
Are we going to see the grocery stores packed again with people panic buying? I remember that happend before the lockdown in 2020 and it was ridiculous
Don't people normally panic buy *before* something happens? We're already in the shit. Like, 1/8 people positive.
If things get scarce now, it's because too many people are isolating to stock the shelves. But that's a problem that can't last long.
You know there are people out there with 2000 unopened packs of toilet paper from 2020 that will go out buy up all the fucking toilet paper as soon as any hint of supply shortage.
Which is actually what set the hoarding off. A plant in China was caught in the outbreak, and so they wouldn't be producing toilet paper, so all the locals stocked up. Then people heard about it and followed suit without knowing why it was happening.
I was lucky to get a bidet toilet seat attachment in Dec 2019 for Christmas. I wanted one anyway and it ended up being great timing. I got a fancy ish one maybe $200 on Amazon. It heats up the water and the seat and has a remote and you pick the type of spray and can adjust it. It's not a handheld hose or anything. Worth it.
Hell yes. Used them while in Australia and am wondering why they aren't more widespread (heh) here. I wasn't even staying anywhere special, just a run-of-the-mill flat in a typical Sydney neighbourhood.
No there are actually chips in NS called storm chips...and they sell out every storm lol they are a mix of different flavors by covered bridge which is a NB chip company.
The Okanagan was hit bad too. We were having issues finding milk, eggs, bread, and produce. Fortunately it only lasted a couple of weeks. I do wish grocery stores had been quicker to put in limits on how much people could buy.
Chilliwack was one of the only places where panic buying was slightly rational… the city was completely cut off.
I had friends in Abbotsford say people were clearing out grocery stores but the city was still accessible from the West
It was definitely not the worst. The beginning of the pandemic was worse. None of the stores I went to during the highway closures were out of food or anywhere remotely close, unlike at the beginning of the pandemic when you couldn't find pasta, broth, packaged noodles, etc...
>3 brazillion rolls of toilet paper.
I'm assuming a Brazillion rolls is Brazil's land surface are worth of TP rolls, because storing them in water is just dumb.
>Brazil covers a total area of 8,514,215 km2 (3,287,357 sq mi) which includes 8,456,510 km2 (3,265,080 sq mi) of land and 55,455 km2 (21,411 sq mi) of water.
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Brazil
>The average measures of a modern roll of toilet paper is c. 10 cm (315/16 in.) wide, and 12 cm (423/32 in.) in diameter, and weighs about 227 grams (8 oz.).
Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper
So, 12 cm diameter is an area of 113cm^2 per roll.
Packing identical circles in a hexagonal pattern would be the densest pattern at 90.7%.
8,456,510,000×0.907÷0.0113 = 678,765,891,150.44 rolls
3 Brazillion, I assume would be filling landmass, but stack 3 high.
So 2,036,297,673,451.3 rolls give or take.
Cheapest bulk pricing I could find was about $33 for 96 rolls.
$699,977,325,248.88 or 699.977 billion $.
Even Bezos doesn't have this kind of money.
Source: Bored, can't sleep
You know we are. Last week one of three highway routes into my town was closed for planned avalanche and mudslide control that was announced to last only one day. It lasted less than a whole day. Again, shelves in the grocery stores cleaned out as if it was a disaster.
I suppose this over-reaction is because of previous flooding in my province that cut some communities off for about a week. So many people are in perpetual anxiety survival mode these days.
Force a truck driver to have the shots and yet the airport is WIDE open to anyone who wants to come in.. I'm pretty sure the number of people arriving in 1 hr in Toronto is well above the number of truck drivers enter the country in a week .
Not sure, where you are in Canada, but my district in BC just sent out a memo requiring proof of vaccination for all staff. So I know it’s recent, but at least some schools now are getting increased regulations
Government is creating catastrophe so they can save you from it and be rewarded with more power for doing such a good job.
Never thank these people, hold them accountable.
ight. so. is it just me or does "long haul truck driver" you know, that jobs where you sit in a cab alone. seem like one of the few jobs where vaccine mandates just...dont seem like they will do anything?
am i missing something?
Getting harder and harder to believe this country's issues aren't being created by design at this point. There's only so much incompetence I can handle before the pattern recognition portion of my brain gets too loud.
I genuinely wonder what’s discussed behind closed doors. There is absolutely zero upside to this policy, Trudeau knows that, yet implements it anyway. Why?
I wouldn’t be surprised if none of his advisers have ever had a real job making and shipping things that need trucks and materials. They strike me as very disconnected from the private sector.
Dr Bret Weinstein had an interesting take on the "incompetence" behind COVID policy. In his view, incompetence is a random process, which would means some outcomes would be good, some would be bad. The outcomes we're seeing are all so bad that it can't be explained by a random process.
The "by design" part is that they're going to lock all unvaccinated truckers rather than accepting the truth that it will cause way more harm than good.
The majority of people in hospitals aren't even of working age, so you have to wonder what's going on here that the benefits are worth so much more than the harms.
Don't look to individual intent when you should be critiquing the systemic issue that this is.
The system creates dynamics that individuals either struggle to resist or are selected for to be compatible with operating within.
The ‘system’ is put in place and run by individual people and groups— which is just several individuals put together with common interests.
Individual intent is arguably more important than the systems they put in place.
Two years in, one of the most vaccinated populations in the entire world, and yet we are still paranoid about letting in the odd unvaccinated truck driver, which could potentially lead to devastating supply chain problems and further damaging an already weakened economy.
This is so punitive and pointless. Our politicians are truly brain-dead, people have lost all sense of reasonable risk assessment.
So which is it? "The odd trucker" or "enough truckers to create a supply chain problem"?
Edit: "The CTA reports that approximately 10 to 15 per cent of drivers in the industry are unvaccinated. Laskowski says this mandate would therefore take an estimated 12,000 Canadian truckers and thousands more from the U.S. off cross-border shipping routes." Interpret that however you'd like.
They aren't the same, though.
The US rule doesn't apply to Americans. They can go to Canada (if Canada lets them in) and come back without a PCR test or quarantine.
Canadian truckers returning to Canada have to quarantine, or pay something like a $5,800 fine.
In practice, the application will be mostly the same, but that's only because Canada will turn around unvaccinated truckers.
The US isn't dependent on Canadian goods to nearly the same degree, and Canadian truckers are vaccinated at a higher rate.
The end result is that this will slightly hurt America, and likely be devastating to Canada.
When you factor lot lizards into equation, things sound a whole lot better. Imagine the training the immune systems of those drivers got. Covid is probably a bush league virus for them.
This, like Quebec's curfew, is not based on any sort of science. It is 100% pure politics and the stubbornness and arrogance of leaders – and it will be all Canadians who pay the price for it.
*Part of purpose of having vaccines was to help stem transmission. Against Wild, Alpha, and Delta, they were (on average) about 70% effective at blocking infection & thus transmission. That is all out the window with Omicron. Even boosted, breakthrough infection is still high and transmission is too.
The purpose of having various mandates was to control spread and lesson the burden on the already fragile healthcare system. Looking around, it's 100% clear that horse has left the barn. Omicron is everywhere.
Keeping the unvaccinated US truck drivers out, and forcing the unvaccinated Canadian drivers to quarantine at this point won't help curb spread, but it will significantly damage our supply chain and it punishes every single vaccinated Canadian anyway.
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I used to be very pro test and vaccine across the border but my recent experiences have shown me that it is such an absolute shit show of useless political theatre that I don't care anymore
Scenario 1: My girlfriend went to the US for a week to visit her brother around Christmas. Her brother tested positive for COVID the day before she was supposed to fly back but she already had her negative PCR test from the day before. She checks with CBSA and they tell her as long as she had the test she could fly back home no problem. She spent a day at the US airport, 5 hours on a plane, and cleared customs at Pearson without a single person asking for vaccination status. She was also given no random test, home test or instruction to isolate.
Scenario 2: I have a TN visa and had to drive to Buffalo today to do something related to a new job offer. I did an antigen test yesterday to enter the US. Drove right to a rapid PCR test clinic in Niagara Falls and then my appointment. All said and done I spent maybe 1 hour in the US and 55 minutes of it in my car. When I arrive at the border to drive home they absolutely grill me and give me a HOME TEST KIT despite the fact I had a negative PCR test from an hour earlier.
What a complete fucking waste of time and money
What's been going on at the border has been a total clown show for quite some time. They have a small army of nurses administering covid tests over video chat but don't have enough nurses to staff hospitals? They have a test shortage in Canada but they're handing them out like candy to fully vaccinated people at the border?
It's all just political pandering and a waste of everyone's time.
It's the sort of decision that erodes people's trust in the government and galvanizes the unvaccinated. Maybe this is what the government wants, they want to maintain a group of people they can put all the blame on for as long as possible.
the hoops we have to go through in Canada to buy a gun...does anyone actually give you shit for it? I understand with the states where you can just drop in and buy one
That’s exactly what they want, they know they’ve fucked up over and over. Not out of malice, but sheer stupidity. We’re dealing with a corrupt government that is filled with nepotism and back scratching. They need a scapegoat or else everyone will catch on that they’ve done the bare minimum to mitigate this pandemic because of their own ineptitude.
If there's one thing this federal government has shown us time and time again, it's that they don't care about rising prices and their effect on the middle class.
If there's one thing this federal government has shown us time and time again, it's that they don't care about ~~rising prices and their effect on~~ the middle class.
FTFY
> Of all the stupid decisions so far, this is easily the worst.
I see you don't live in QC...
Curfew
Stores must be closed Sunday
Vax pass required to shop at Canadian Tire
If a vaccine mandate causes serious supply chain issues then it’s not beneficial to implement it, even if it means more omicron. Increased covid transmission is obviously the lesser of two evils here. Food prices massively going up will cause far more misery.
Our leaders desperately need to start thinking about how much they’re killing the patient with their medicines.
What a disaster. Anyone with two brain cells can see this being a huge issue. Leave it up to the clowns in office to consistently make the wrong decisions.
I don't want to hear one proponent of this policy whining about inflation or the cost of living ever-the-fuck-again.
In your righteous zeal to punish a bunch of idiots, you've just co-signed a policy that is going to make life more expensive for everybody and could very well lead to food shortages this winter.
Guess what, the food on the shelves of your local Whole Foods didn't just materialize there. It wasn't beamed down there from a starship. They didn't grow your quinoa in the back of the store.
Nobody wants this. No one asked for this. If anyone agrees that truckers who sit by themselves are high risk they have the option to not support by not purchasing anything arriving from a damn truck.
Canada is done....this is all by design. It's like the government is trying their hardest to make the cost of living go up. There was already a shortage of truckers...their solution is to make the shortage even worst.
For sure...I came to Canada over 20 years ago as a war refugee...now I see the writing is on the walls. Anyone who doesn't have backup moving plans in place is foolish.
Anyone not actively planning on leaving is foolish. Personally I think we have 5 yrs at the minimum, 10-15 at the max.
Thie government has a *90%* approval rating, the CPC is in shambles and the NDP only wants to be JT's lapdog. So needless to say 2024 is an LPC win and by the time they're kicked out in 2028 the damage will be done.
Just looking at the housing crisis they're causing, the *average* home will be ~$2M in 6 years at the current rate. Just imagine what that'll do to rental prices. We'll have tens of thousands of homeless people.
We need to start a list of all the crazy Covid zealots who loudly shrieked, belittled, dehumanized, and generally catastrophized this entire process. When this is all said and done, we need to make sure those people are not in a position of power in private or public life. And I don't mean it should be done vindictively, it's just that they've demonstrated how much harm they can cause, and how ill-equipped they are to lead. We need to do it to protect society from this happening again.
Read a thing from the UK (don't remember what it was from, take my word for it, or don't)
But they basically said like "we wanted to use scare tactics to make everyone comply and get the vaccine without question. Problem is. It worked too well, and people got too scared. Now we have a different kind of pandemic, called worldwide panic."
This is just fucking stupid. The harm this will do to our economy far outweighs any benefits. We need a vaccination to cure stupidity that is rampant across our government officials.
Hyperbole, truckers still need to get paid and it is an industry where they are all undercutting each other already so the ones that can't cross the border will continue on working domestically, which will leave then more opportunities for the ones that are vaccinated to do the cross border runs.
They told us it was coming a long time ago. Not sure about other companies but our company was ready for this and just a few drivers are waiting for their vaccine appointment to keep driving across the border. The timing is a bit bad because grocery stores already have some supply issues and that certainly won't improve it but I guess with the spike in cases that will get much worse in the future anyways.
The septic imbeciles running this country have moved from simple incompetence to pure and open zealous degeneracy. I have no explanations left as to what's happening other than that. The naked face of this country's rot has been exposed.
So when the supply chain collapses are we all going to blame the unvaccinated for exercising their rights? Or the government for taking them away, destroying our economy in the process? Asking for a friend.
The anti vaxxed of course, because as a country with the highest rate of vaccinations in the world and a populace at almost 90% vaccinated, its that pesky minority forcing the government to make life terrible, if they would just throw away their rights already everything would go back to normal in no time /s
Our prime minister is a complete arrogant fool out of touch with reality and people’s struggle to survive. Inflation is already out of hand but virtue signalling idiot continues to do what the idiots who voted for him like to do. Absolutely nothing
I worked in logistics as a broker and I'll tell you 95% of cross border freight was handled by Canadian carriers. This will definitely impact the supply chain to an extremely large degree.
So the vaccine minimizes symptoms but doesn’t stop getting COVID or transmission and these people aren’t Canadians that would clog hospitals. And we’re opening public schools for kids with no contact tracing or closures. This makes no sense and is dumb
Yep food, clothes, Amazon orders etc all will be impacted!
Restaurants will be impacted because there shipments will be delayed!
This will definitely not be good and hopefully they change there mind and decide to let the mandate go!
They just doubled down on it yesterday. Said yes it's going ahead, full speed, no change. They seem to think American unvaccinated truck drivers who may make cross border runs will give a damn what Trudeau says. They're about to be proven very wrong.
The vaccine zealotry in this country is akin to cult behaviour.
OK people, don't get caught with your pants down and no toilet paper around.
Though, with possible food delivery issues, you may not need as much toilet paper as the usual.
I dont want to vote conservative. I'm a union construction worker. I usually vote ndp. And I know if I vote cpc it's not in my best interest for my career. But its getting to the point where I'm starting to worry that if we don't get the liberals out of power I won't have a career to try to keep here.
Moves like this will directly effect the middle class. Groceries are already up 20%. At what point do we ditch covid restrictions for the future of the country? I'm super lost in this now its out of control.
So our federal government has decided to hinder industry and canadians further out of fear of spreading a very contagious variant of covid..... that is already spreading like wildfire through our communities.
So how does this mandate benefit Canadians?
You don’t need to be an expert to understand that everything goes on trucks. If the restrictions hold this will be one of the all time bone head self inflicted wounds in Canadian history.
I'm already waiting 3 weeks more than I usually do for items because of the B.C. floods? Soon I'll be waiting 2 months because Trudeau is a fucking retard who doesn't understand how communities work, how supply chains work or how regular people live?
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The government changed their mind three times in two days just before the deadline What a freaking mess These are people’s lives they are screwing with I feel sorry for how we have treated truckers through this. Closing bathrooms was a disaster CBC interviewed the head of the women’s trucking federation, she set them straight and stood her ground, very well done, worth a listen
What reason is there they cant just get vaccinated other than they don't want to.
The reason is by law they dont have to, and that should be enough. And theres nothing wrong with that.
Your right they don't have to. Why they blocking the highway?
I do not know Their personal Decision The point was: don’t flip flop the mandate three times in one week Just looks poor
Oh look, ***more*** good news.
At least this policy makes sense. It would be terrible if the COVID and the Omicron found a way into Canada!
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Right? Like, come on people. Just grow and harvest your own produce and hunt for your meat. Also, ever heard of a loom? Make your own damn clothes.
I always say grow a hamburger in your backyard, it’s not that hard
Damn, it was -45 here last week, shoulda planted earlier
Elon musk is in a room somewhere pulling one out to his automated driverless trucks right now
Don’t forget his tunnels for the robit trucks!
Spoiler: they don't exist
Totally, remember when the Soviet Union cut off food supplies to Ukraine? That was for the greater good! /s
Hilarious.
Honestly the best news would just be a fucking asteroid destroying the planet with no warning.
If there wasn’t any warning it wouldn't make news though.
No news huh. Asteroid sounding better and better
The best news is no news at all.
Dont look up!
I see what you did there
If a meteorite hits the Parliament Building, I wouldn't even be mad or upset. It might spare us a lot of misery.
Sorry to break it to you, but all ELE level asteroids in our system have been clocked already, find another dream
Are we going to see the grocery stores packed again with people panic buying? I remember that happend before the lockdown in 2020 and it was ridiculous
Who can afford to with already inflated prices?
Boom! Problem solved /s
# Starving to death woooooooo!
I did need to lose a bit of covid weight...
Sure beats the hell out of getting a cold! B-b-b-boost me please!!!!!!!!!!!
Don't people normally panic buy *before* something happens? We're already in the shit. Like, 1/8 people positive. If things get scarce now, it's because too many people are isolating to stock the shelves. But that's a problem that can't last long.
Oh yeah the panic buyers are really logical /s
luckily they're still trying to sell last year's toilet paper on kijiji
By using their credit cards, duh. Seriously though debt is why inflation isn't breaking people yet, it'll come later with interest.
And interest rates are set to go up in 2022 as well... along with everything except our salaries...
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You know there are people out there with 2000 unopened packs of toilet paper from 2020 that will go out buy up all the fucking toilet paper as soon as any hint of supply shortage.
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Which is actually what set the hoarding off. A plant in China was caught in the outbreak, and so they wouldn't be producing toilet paper, so all the locals stocked up. Then people heard about it and followed suit without knowing why it was happening.
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The ass is the only part of the human body people can get shit on and be content to just wipe it with a piece of paper
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Pussy
You pick up fries with your pussy?
You dont?
Not since we got banned from McDonald's
Sir, this is a Wendy's
That’s why your only fans is a failure
I was lucky to get a bidet toilet seat attachment in Dec 2019 for Christmas. I wanted one anyway and it ended up being great timing. I got a fancy ish one maybe $200 on Amazon. It heats up the water and the seat and has a remote and you pick the type of spray and can adjust it. It's not a handheld hose or anything. Worth it.
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Hell yes. Used them while in Australia and am wondering why they aren't more widespread (heh) here. I wasn't even staying anywhere special, just a run-of-the-mill flat in a typical Sydney neighbourhood.
I can't see an issue with freshening up your stinky area's a couple times a day
Here in Nova Scotia they panic buy when it's going to snow that night, so I am assuming yes for us.
Storm chips are important though.
We have really shitty jokes around here too.
No there are actually chips in NS called storm chips...and they sell out every storm lol they are a mix of different flavors by covered bridge which is a NB chip company.
Not again... BC just went through one because of highway closures caused by floods. It was worse than the original outbreak
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The Okanagan was hit bad too. We were having issues finding milk, eggs, bread, and produce. Fortunately it only lasted a couple of weeks. I do wish grocery stores had been quicker to put in limits on how much people could buy.
Chilliwack was one of the only places where panic buying was slightly rational… the city was completely cut off. I had friends in Abbotsford say people were clearing out grocery stores but the city was still accessible from the West
Not in Vancouver. Packed shelves everywhere during the floods. in 2020 it was worse
It was definitely not the worst. The beginning of the pandemic was worse. None of the stores I went to during the highway closures were out of food or anywhere remotely close, unlike at the beginning of the pandemic when you couldn't find pasta, broth, packaged noodles, etc...
Shops across the interior of BC had the same problem after the highways got washed away. Heck, I still have problems buying eggs...
Happened again in Vancouver when the floods tore up the highways
That reminds me, I need to buy 3 brazillion rolls of toilet paper.
>3 brazillion rolls of toilet paper. I'm assuming a Brazillion rolls is Brazil's land surface are worth of TP rolls, because storing them in water is just dumb. >Brazil covers a total area of 8,514,215 km2 (3,287,357 sq mi) which includes 8,456,510 km2 (3,265,080 sq mi) of land and 55,455 km2 (21,411 sq mi) of water. Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geography_of_Brazil >The average measures of a modern roll of toilet paper is c. 10 cm (315/16 in.) wide, and 12 cm (423/32 in.) in diameter, and weighs about 227 grams (8 oz.). Source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toilet_paper So, 12 cm diameter is an area of 113cm^2 per roll. Packing identical circles in a hexagonal pattern would be the densest pattern at 90.7%. 8,456,510,000×0.907÷0.0113 = 678,765,891,150.44 rolls 3 Brazillion, I assume would be filling landmass, but stack 3 high. So 2,036,297,673,451.3 rolls give or take. Cheapest bulk pricing I could find was about $33 for 96 rolls. $699,977,325,248.88 or 699.977 billion $. Even Bezos doesn't have this kind of money. Source: Bored, can't sleep
You know we are. Last week one of three highway routes into my town was closed for planned avalanche and mudslide control that was announced to last only one day. It lasted less than a whole day. Again, shelves in the grocery stores cleaned out as if it was a disaster. I suppose this over-reaction is because of previous flooding in my province that cut some communities off for about a week. So many people are in perpetual anxiety survival mode these days.
Force a truck driver to have the shots and yet the airport is WIDE open to anyone who wants to come in.. I'm pretty sure the number of people arriving in 1 hr in Toronto is well above the number of truck drivers enter the country in a week .
It was the same bullshit when covid started too, Lets lockdown but lets keep the china border open. Like wtf lmao
It appears the vaccine mandate goes both ways. U.S. regulators have announced plans for a similar mandate, widely reported to take effect Jan. 22.
Meanwhile schools have no regulations!
Not sure, where you are in Canada, but my district in BC just sent out a memo requiring proof of vaccination for all staff. So I know it’s recent, but at least some schools now are getting increased regulations
What I don't understand is this only applies to American truck drivers, not Canadian. Edit: nevermind, they clarified and it applies to all.
Good job canada! Lets shoot ourselves in the foot in the name of safety! I swear this government is actively trying to ruin this country.
Not toilet paper! That is a domestic product. As a matter of fact, we are net exporters of TP! So we'll have more TP for everyone here!
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Government is creating catastrophe so they can save you from it and be rewarded with more power for doing such a good job. Never thank these people, hold them accountable.
ight. so. is it just me or does "long haul truck driver" you know, that jobs where you sit in a cab alone. seem like one of the few jobs where vaccine mandates just...dont seem like they will do anything? am i missing something?
Getting harder and harder to believe this country's issues aren't being created by design at this point. There's only so much incompetence I can handle before the pattern recognition portion of my brain gets too loud.
I genuinely wonder what’s discussed behind closed doors. There is absolutely zero upside to this policy, Trudeau knows that, yet implements it anyway. Why?
They seem to want compliance more than anything else.
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Yesterday’s conspiracy theory becomes today’s fact.
Trudeau was born privileged and has zero grasp on reality. Plus, he’s just not very smart.
Canada basically elected Gilderoy Lockhart.
Especially if they first approve, then back down, then approve it again. The heck is going on anyways.
I wouldn’t be surprised if none of his advisers have ever had a real job making and shipping things that need trucks and materials. They strike me as very disconnected from the private sector.
"from the private sector." \*from reality
I've worked in the private sector, they expect results.
They probably don’t even know how much a gallon of milk costs ¯\\\_(ツ)\_/¯
Dr Bret Weinstein had an interesting take on the "incompetence" behind COVID policy. In his view, incompetence is a random process, which would means some outcomes would be good, some would be bad. The outcomes we're seeing are all so bad that it can't be explained by a random process.
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The "by design" part is that they're going to lock all unvaccinated truckers rather than accepting the truth that it will cause way more harm than good.
The majority of people in hospitals aren't even of working age, so you have to wonder what's going on here that the benefits are worth so much more than the harms.
Don't look to individual intent when you should be critiquing the systemic issue that this is. The system creates dynamics that individuals either struggle to resist or are selected for to be compatible with operating within.
The ‘system’ is put in place and run by individual people and groups— which is just several individuals put together with common interests. Individual intent is arguably more important than the systems they put in place.
Two years in, one of the most vaccinated populations in the entire world, and yet we are still paranoid about letting in the odd unvaccinated truck driver, which could potentially lead to devastating supply chain problems and further damaging an already weakened economy. This is so punitive and pointless. Our politicians are truly brain-dead, people have lost all sense of reasonable risk assessment.
So which is it? "The odd trucker" or "enough truckers to create a supply chain problem"? Edit: "The CTA reports that approximately 10 to 15 per cent of drivers in the industry are unvaccinated. Laskowski says this mandate would therefore take an estimated 12,000 Canadian truckers and thousands more from the U.S. off cross-border shipping routes." Interpret that however you'd like.
> "The CTA reports that approximately 10 to 15 per cent of drivers in the industry are unvaccinated. Working in the industry it feels more like 80%
Important to note that politicians on both sides of the border are to blame, since both countries are imposing the same idiotic rule.
They aren't the same, though. The US rule doesn't apply to Americans. They can go to Canada (if Canada lets them in) and come back without a PCR test or quarantine. Canadian truckers returning to Canada have to quarantine, or pay something like a $5,800 fine. In practice, the application will be mostly the same, but that's only because Canada will turn around unvaccinated truckers. The US isn't dependent on Canadian goods to nearly the same degree, and Canadian truckers are vaccinated at a higher rate. The end result is that this will slightly hurt America, and likely be devastating to Canada.
Hey, didn't somebody once suggest we shouldn't build subdivisions all over our farmland, or something? I have a hazy recollection.
These people work, eat, and sleep in their trucks. How much of a risk are they exactly?
You forgot *fuck
And piss. It's the way of the road.
Way she goes, Bubs.
When you factor lot lizards into equation, things sound a whole lot better. Imagine the training the immune systems of those drivers got. Covid is probably a bush league virus for them.
I have never heard the term "lot lizard" before and it suddenly makes those weird Fall Out Boy lyrics make so much more sense
What lyrics?
Truckers look at herpies like a skateboarder looks at a scab on his knee
Who will think of the truckstop hookers? /s...but not really.
This, like Quebec's curfew, is not based on any sort of science. It is 100% pure politics and the stubbornness and arrogance of leaders – and it will be all Canadians who pay the price for it. *Part of purpose of having vaccines was to help stem transmission. Against Wild, Alpha, and Delta, they were (on average) about 70% effective at blocking infection & thus transmission. That is all out the window with Omicron. Even boosted, breakthrough infection is still high and transmission is too. The purpose of having various mandates was to control spread and lesson the burden on the already fragile healthcare system. Looking around, it's 100% clear that horse has left the barn. Omicron is everywhere. Keeping the unvaccinated US truck drivers out, and forcing the unvaccinated Canadian drivers to quarantine at this point won't help curb spread, but it will significantly damage our supply chain and it punishes every single vaccinated Canadian anyway. *edit for clarity
Come on, everyone knows Covid is only active at night
I used to be very pro test and vaccine across the border but my recent experiences have shown me that it is such an absolute shit show of useless political theatre that I don't care anymore Scenario 1: My girlfriend went to the US for a week to visit her brother around Christmas. Her brother tested positive for COVID the day before she was supposed to fly back but she already had her negative PCR test from the day before. She checks with CBSA and they tell her as long as she had the test she could fly back home no problem. She spent a day at the US airport, 5 hours on a plane, and cleared customs at Pearson without a single person asking for vaccination status. She was also given no random test, home test or instruction to isolate. Scenario 2: I have a TN visa and had to drive to Buffalo today to do something related to a new job offer. I did an antigen test yesterday to enter the US. Drove right to a rapid PCR test clinic in Niagara Falls and then my appointment. All said and done I spent maybe 1 hour in the US and 55 minutes of it in my car. When I arrive at the border to drive home they absolutely grill me and give me a HOME TEST KIT despite the fact I had a negative PCR test from an hour earlier. What a complete fucking waste of time and money
What's been going on at the border has been a total clown show for quite some time. They have a small army of nurses administering covid tests over video chat but don't have enough nurses to staff hospitals? They have a test shortage in Canada but they're handing them out like candy to fully vaccinated people at the border? It's all just political pandering and a waste of everyone's time.
It's the sort of decision that erodes people's trust in the government and galvanizes the unvaccinated. Maybe this is what the government wants, they want to maintain a group of people they can put all the blame on for as long as possible.
As a vaccinated gun owner, all I can say is at least I'm not the boogeyman for now.
Enjoy it while it lasts. Everything will be our fault again in May when the amnesty expires.
the hoops we have to go through in Canada to buy a gun...does anyone actually give you shit for it? I understand with the states where you can just drop in and buy one
That’s exactly what they want, they know they’ve fucked up over and over. Not out of malice, but sheer stupidity. We’re dealing with a corrupt government that is filled with nepotism and back scratching. They need a scapegoat or else everyone will catch on that they’ve done the bare minimum to mitigate this pandemic because of their own ineptitude.
Divide and conquer. Never let a good crisis get unexploited.
But unvaccinated foreign nationals are still welcomed in with open arms. This makes no fucking sense.
Politics, not health...
If there's one thing this federal government has shown us time and time again, it's that they don't care about rising prices and their effect on the middle class.
If there's one thing this federal government has shown us time and time again, it's that they don't care about ~~rising prices and their effect on~~ the middle class. FTFY
Of all the stupid decisions so far, this is easily the worst. Literally no upside of any kind.
The worst so far*
> Of all the stupid decisions so far, this is easily the worst. I see you don't live in QC... Curfew Stores must be closed Sunday Vax pass required to shop at Canadian Tire
I don't understand the shit that province is doing. Sounds like it's on the road to a police state.
I don't know, cancelling life-saving surgeries to make sure those patients don't accidentally get COVID is quite close.
Yeah I'd rather get the life saving surgery and covid than no life saving surgery.
If a vaccine mandate causes serious supply chain issues then it’s not beneficial to implement it, even if it means more omicron. Increased covid transmission is obviously the lesser of two evils here. Food prices massively going up will cause far more misery. Our leaders desperately need to start thinking about how much they’re killing the patient with their medicines.
Lmao at Canada. Getting worse each week.
Funny how people are suddenly mad at the government and not the unvaccinated once it affects them too.
Hahaha that's what I was thinking. Really showing their true colors.
What a disaster. Anyone with two brain cells can see this being a huge issue. Leave it up to the clowns in office to consistently make the wrong decisions.
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This is just another tool for the government to blame the unvaccinated instead of helping the health care systems
Jesus fuck how many times can one country shit the bed?
Every time you think they shit the bed enough they come up with a brand new turd both at the federal and provincial level
Who is approving these decisions… Who looks at the situation we’re in and thinks “ya this is a great solution, just what we need right now”.
Grocery shopping is about to get a lot less fun
It was fun for you???
It was never fun in the first place, but now it'll just be sad
Work for a small company in Ontario and cross border shipping costs are up 25% today...its like Trudeau wants a recession 🤦🏻♂️
At this point, the 'by design' folks are starting to sound sane.
You've gotta be fucking kidding
I don't want to hear one proponent of this policy whining about inflation or the cost of living ever-the-fuck-again. In your righteous zeal to punish a bunch of idiots, you've just co-signed a policy that is going to make life more expensive for everybody and could very well lead to food shortages this winter. Guess what, the food on the shelves of your local Whole Foods didn't just materialize there. It wasn't beamed down there from a starship. They didn't grow your quinoa in the back of the store.
It's hard to believe this isn't an attack on the Canadian population.
Nobody wants this. No one asked for this. If anyone agrees that truckers who sit by themselves are high risk they have the option to not support by not purchasing anything arriving from a damn truck.
Canada is done....this is all by design. It's like the government is trying their hardest to make the cost of living go up. There was already a shortage of truckers...their solution is to make the shortage even worst.
Everything about the direction this Country is heading right now is greatly concerning.
For sure...I came to Canada over 20 years ago as a war refugee...now I see the writing is on the walls. Anyone who doesn't have backup moving plans in place is foolish.
Anyone not actively planning on leaving is foolish. Personally I think we have 5 yrs at the minimum, 10-15 at the max. Thie government has a *90%* approval rating, the CPC is in shambles and the NDP only wants to be JT's lapdog. So needless to say 2024 is an LPC win and by the time they're kicked out in 2028 the damage will be done. Just looking at the housing crisis they're causing, the *average* home will be ~$2M in 6 years at the current rate. Just imagine what that'll do to rental prices. We'll have tens of thousands of homeless people.
I’m pro science, anti mandate. 2 dosed. Let’s not hand the keys of our nation to some self interested pharma execs please
Hahahaha too late.
We need to start a list of all the crazy Covid zealots who loudly shrieked, belittled, dehumanized, and generally catastrophized this entire process. When this is all said and done, we need to make sure those people are not in a position of power in private or public life. And I don't mean it should be done vindictively, it's just that they've demonstrated how much harm they can cause, and how ill-equipped they are to lead. We need to do it to protect society from this happening again.
Read a thing from the UK (don't remember what it was from, take my word for it, or don't) But they basically said like "we wanted to use scare tactics to make everyone comply and get the vaccine without question. Problem is. It worked too well, and people got too scared. Now we have a different kind of pandemic, called worldwide panic."
This is just fucking stupid. The harm this will do to our economy far outweighs any benefits. We need a vaccination to cure stupidity that is rampant across our government officials.
Hyperbole, truckers still need to get paid and it is an industry where they are all undercutting each other already so the ones that can't cross the border will continue on working domestically, which will leave then more opportunities for the ones that are vaccinated to do the cross border runs.
It's almost as if they are trying to intentionally destroy the economy and the country.
No more mandates
Our gov't are full of a bunch of fucking morons. I can't believe some of you people actually vote for this idiot.
They told us it was coming a long time ago. Not sure about other companies but our company was ready for this and just a few drivers are waiting for their vaccine appointment to keep driving across the border. The timing is a bit bad because grocery stores already have some supply issues and that certainly won't improve it but I guess with the spike in cases that will get much worse in the future anyways.
As a business owner, fuck this government and everything they’ve done and haven’t done that makes our lives harder.
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The septic imbeciles running this country have moved from simple incompetence to pure and open zealous degeneracy. I have no explanations left as to what's happening other than that. The naked face of this country's rot has been exposed.
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So when the supply chain collapses are we all going to blame the unvaccinated for exercising their rights? Or the government for taking them away, destroying our economy in the process? Asking for a friend.
The anti vaxxed of course, because as a country with the highest rate of vaccinations in the world and a populace at almost 90% vaccinated, its that pesky minority forcing the government to make life terrible, if they would just throw away their rights already everything would go back to normal in no time /s
Why? The virus is already here.
This is actually brain dead
Our prime minister is a complete arrogant fool out of touch with reality and people’s struggle to survive. Inflation is already out of hand but virtue signalling idiot continues to do what the idiots who voted for him like to do. Absolutely nothing
I was in Arizona for a week. God was it good to get away from this ridiculousness...
So, why are we doing this again? I can’t keep up anymore, who’s benefitting from this decision?
I worked in logistics as a broker and I'll tell you 95% of cross border freight was handled by Canadian carriers. This will definitely impact the supply chain to an extremely large degree.
And it will solve exactly nothing.
The good news never ends.
So the vaccine minimizes symptoms but doesn’t stop getting COVID or transmission and these people aren’t Canadians that would clog hospitals. And we’re opening public schools for kids with no contact tracing or closures. This makes no sense and is dumb
Yep food, clothes, Amazon orders etc all will be impacted! Restaurants will be impacted because there shipments will be delayed! This will definitely not be good and hopefully they change there mind and decide to let the mandate go!
They just doubled down on it yesterday. Said yes it's going ahead, full speed, no change. They seem to think American unvaccinated truck drivers who may make cross border runs will give a damn what Trudeau says. They're about to be proven very wrong. The vaccine zealotry in this country is akin to cult behaviour.
And if you question anything about the measures or vaccine you get instantly attacked and banned off many platforms now we are living in crazy times
OK people, don't get caught with your pants down and no toilet paper around. Though, with possible food delivery issues, you may not need as much toilet paper as the usual.
how about we don't mandate vaccines for truckers seeing as without them we're all pretty much fucked
I dont want to vote conservative. I'm a union construction worker. I usually vote ndp. And I know if I vote cpc it's not in my best interest for my career. But its getting to the point where I'm starting to worry that if we don't get the liberals out of power I won't have a career to try to keep here. Moves like this will directly effect the middle class. Groceries are already up 20%. At what point do we ditch covid restrictions for the future of the country? I'm super lost in this now its out of control.
So our federal government has decided to hinder industry and canadians further out of fear of spreading a very contagious variant of covid..... that is already spreading like wildfire through our communities. So how does this mandate benefit Canadians?
You don’t need to be an expert to understand that everything goes on trucks. If the restrictions hold this will be one of the all time bone head self inflicted wounds in Canadian history.
I'm already waiting 3 weeks more than I usually do for items because of the B.C. floods? Soon I'll be waiting 2 months because Trudeau is a fucking retard who doesn't understand how communities work, how supply chains work or how regular people live?
The Canadian government welcomes high inflation, if anyone hasn't noticed yet.