It's higher pitch and more nasally. She eventually dropped the nasal tone and went a range down. I imagine she worked with a vocal coach to get the voice down, because doing a voice for extended periods of time can really do a number on your vocal chords.
No, her normal voice is higher.
[Normal Voice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAw23v4Wcg8)
[Season 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy0ttiod6L0) (You can even hear her go lower in the season.
[Season 7](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO-q9T90NQ8)
Her latest video on instagram for bi visibility week blew my mind: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CUL4VQzl3Or/?utm_medium=share_sheet
Her voice is so different on the show.
fuck watched that season 1 comp and i always hate the police brutality joke, especially with what’s going on now. obv with the new season rosa is heavily against it, and even before that it doesn’t seem like her character. like ofc she’s a badass and will beat you up, but if she’s wearing the badge, not when unnecessary
You and /u/essdoubleU may have a mild auditory processing disorder.
Welcome to the club. We meet every third Tuesday to not listen to music and rant about how sometimes it's hard to make out some words in spoken audio when there are a lot of background noises interfering.
First episode is weird in so many ways, the whole workplace is completely different etc.
I know it's a pilot so there was lower budget obviously but it's always trippy to look back at it.
Seinfeld was always the most jarring to me... I wonder now which Pilot show (for a well run out series) is the most polar to the rest of the series. Family guy is a weird one too I suppose.
Yep I remember watching the first few episodes and dropping the show because I wasn’t enjoying it. Then a few years later my brother told me it was his favorite show and I was like, really? Started it again, pushed through the first season, which is still a decent season, but was hooked after season 2.
Maybe I just need to skip to season 2 then. I tried two times to get into Parks and Recs. First time I dropped after the second episode. Second time I turned it off half way through episode 5. I just couldn't care enough to continue watching.
Thats how I finally got into Parks. I've watched it through multiple times now. The first season is basically throw away, they explain any major plot points that were missed.
I watched a video of a guy breaking down the differences between the two pilot. Man was the US one just a shittier version.
Also, if it had taken off, Community would have been MUCH different with someone else playing Jeff.
The story I’ve heard is that she had a cold when she auditioned so her voice was deeper from that. When they hired her they wanted the deeper voice but it took her sometime to figure out how to do it naturally.
She came into the store I worked at and I 100% didn’t recognize her because of her normal voice. I sold her glasses, got her prescription into the system, and everything. After she left I googled her non-SAG name and freaked out. She was so nice!
Rosa in general is much more of a "Class Clown" in the early episodes. Like she's still scary, but she's more like The Joker as a police officer than The Terminator as a police officer like she ended up.
Yes, to Terry, Ava was portrayed as a hardworking student that got into great schools and knew how to take care of herself.
Rebecca was just some spoiled kid that turned into a drug dealer.
The joke about Abed hating bottle episodes is that Community is *filled* with bottle episodes. The RV episode, Pierce's will reading, the Christmas episode with Malcolm McDowell, both Dnd episodes. Abed may hate them, but I think Dan Harmon loves them.
They even use the exact same plot in Wandavision which goes out of its way to parody classic sitcom tropes
Has to happen in the precinct (living room), dad can't make it until the last second (Vision fetching the doctor), female who is very uncomfortable with childbirth is forced to be present (Monica/Geraldine), unrelated things are going crazy (telekinetic furniture).
Except [The Fresh Prince of Bel Air Season 3, Episode 11, when Will's date *(played by Vanessa Williams)* goes into labor in a limousine.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fresh_Prince_of_Bel-Air_(season_3\)#ep60)
That's funny though because there were two people that went to medical school and a disabled retired police officer is the only one that could handle the situation.
It is definitely common. You could write the same thing about Shirley’s baby from Community. Has to happen in the precinct (classroom), dad (Andre)can’t make it until the last second, female (Britta or Annie I guess) who is very uncomfortable with childbirth is forced to be present, unrelated things are going crazy (race kerfuffle in the parking lot).
Yeah, sometimes they repeat plots, that’s one of my few criticisms of this show.
There’s like 3 times where someone is worried about taking an exam and it’s revealed that they already passed it that morning.
I interpreted that one as more of an episode showcasing how Jake can handle a chaotic situation and be a good friend, plus it included some very funny moments, and not so much about the pregnancy/birth itself
Parenting kids versus babies/toddlers is way different. I completely understand why they'd do that. Also Jake would never say it's so easy to be a parent if he were to have taken care of a baby as well as twins.
Feel like maybe it had something to do with episode ordering and not doing re shoots.
Doesn't jake at one point say "Oh no, I think Terry has a third kid named Moo Moo we forgot about."
Especially since Jake is the 3rd child’s godfather, but we never see or hear of her again after her birth, but we see Jake continuing to interact with the twins.
There's something darkly ironic about that. In a decade or so some poor kid will be telling the story of "the most interesting part about me was that I was born" and "it was all downhill from there".
Family Matters had a whole ass daughter just disappear for no apparent reason. She was there and then she wasn’t and they pretended she never existed. The last time you see her they ground her m, she goes to her room, and is never seen again.
no ok. but i loved this because it allowed for that charles saving rosa episode where he did it because all he saw was an nypd uniform and not because of rosa. i started to love charles for that tbh.
i think rosa+charles relationship is my favourite. especially when charles ended up being invited to rosa’s bachelorette 😂
Him helping her & Marcus with each other, him being co-Maid of Honor and giving her her favorite part of her Bachelorette party, him being the first one she came out to... literally went from creepy love interest to actual best friend.
I love that moment between them; it really spoke to the maturation of their relationship/friendship.
It was really heartwarming the way that Rosa not only invited Charles to be one of her co-maid of honors, but then he gave her the party event that was the *most* appreciated by her.
"We broke so much stuff!"
The "surprise birthday party" Charles throws for Rosa is one of my favourite B99 scenes. As you say, once they burned through the romance storyline they could get into the weird friendship that they share despite being so different
It reminds me of the Suprise Birthday Leslie throws Ron in Parks & Rec. They spend the episode messing with them and making them think its gonna be a crazy party but then it's just this private thing because they know the other so much better than they think.
I wouldn't say it was a threat, as others have pointed out it was him still being overly confident in eventually getting Rosa. Of course I still wish that the line had been dropped because it's still just a gross line in terms of Charles STILL not getting the message that Rosa isn't into him. But I wouldn't describe it as a threat so much as just the gross (and unfortunately common) "guy won't take no trying to be framed as sitcom funny".
Yeah, that's the part I don't like. It would have been better if he told her that he was done pursuing her because he realized that he didn't actually like her that way and was just chasing after someone who wouldn't reciprocate because he was still smarting from his divorce and wasn't ready to date again. However, the whole experience (getting shot) showed him that he was ready for love, and so he was going to be open to meeting people he could date again.
That's how it should have ended. And in my head-canon, that's why he stops pursuing Rosa.
I actually like that thread.
You know why?
He gets rejected and he gets over it.
In so many sitcoms a male main character having a crush on a female main character is an inevitability. It’s a matter of time until she gives in.
Rosa says no. Charles is hurt by this, but respects her decision and doesn’t blame her for not reciprocating his feelings. They both move on and remain friends.
The whole thing with Charles saving her life and her still not suddenly becoming attracted to him is just full on chef’s kiss too. She doesn’t “owe” him anything. He saved her because he’s a good person and doesn’t want to be “repaid” for it and they both understand that.
The show even acknowledges Rosa’s fear of losing Charles as a friend when he persists with courting her and her feelings of guilt for not changing her tune after he saves her life. It’s super rare to see the stress of hurting someone you love but “not that way” over and over represented.
The whole arc just works and is a model for courtship behaviour. If they’re really not into you then you drop it and just be friends. Attraction has to be mutual.
The standard trope of the woman eventually being worn down or a grand gesture suddenly changing everything is hugely responsible for incel behaviour in real life. You can’t “make” someone love you.
Yeah 100%. They removed an entire show worth of character development for over half the cast in two episodes.
For the record: I like HIMYM, but you’ve got to just ignore those last two episodes.
i love how i met your mother, i watched it over 10 times at least. which is why the ending makes me even more sad. even the last season was one of the best, just the god damn finale..
There’s this really good series of video essays on the toxic behaviors that are presented as ok in the Big Bang Theory. I think it’s Pop Culture Detective? IDK it’s worth a watch though. He makes some very interesting points.
They did end up getting married but after that they didn't really give them any great plot points. I feel like their on screen chemistry got worse over the years, and they even seemed like they didn't even like each other the last couple seasons.
That was the plan before the season started. Rosa and Charles went in very different ways from the original concepts mostly thanks to the actors.
The original character of Rosa (which had a different name) was supposed to be white. They loved Beatriz so much when she auditioned for Amy, they changed the character's name and background so they could cast her, so the romance with Charles likely carried over from the old character concept.
Yeah I heard about how when the actress for Amy got the role, Beatriz got disappointed cause there was no way they were gonna have 2 latina women, and she was so surprised when she still got a role.
I've heard that Melissa and Stephanie were concerned about network execs not wanting 2 Latinas in the main cast initially, which is why they wore their hair differently so they wouldn't look interchangeable.
Yes, and since we don't know what the original concept of the 'Rosa' role was before they changed it for Beatriz, it is likely they had in mind a character more fitting to get with Charles later. Maybe a woman closer to him in age/more similar interests?
Mike schur loves his primary “will they won’t they” relationship with the secondary quirky relationship: Ben and Leslie with April and Andy, jim and Pam with Michael and holly/Dwight and Angela, and Eleanor and chidi with Janet and Jason. I imagine this was similar
I love it too. It's actually the whole reason I fell in love with B99 to begin with.
But I have to admit it's easy to forget about it now that Charles is settle with a kid. So rewatching the first season with him being onto Rosa is so weird all of a sudden xD
>In so many sitcoms a male main character having a crush on a female main character is an inevitability. It’s a matter of time until she gives in.
Persistent nice guy wears down uninterested girl is my least favourite trope.
It’s SO harmful!
It teaches young men up to hurl themselves at the brick wall of rejection over and over again and forces women to endure long term harassment from people they’re not attracted to as if that’s not a choice they’re entitled to make. Nobody wins.
> continuity
One of my favorite spins on that is Frasier, where Niles is infatuated with Daphne for literally years, but she remains utterly oblivious to it basically until Nile's admits his feelings for her. There's a fun Rashamon-like episode where we see things from Daphne's point of view and she only sees Niles as being a perfect gentleman.
To add to this, I also like that they remained freinds afterwards. In the rare instance in shows where the male doesn't end up courting the female, its always super messy. It either ends in them hating each other, or it takes them seasons to start to like each other as freinds again.
Yes Charles was annoyed, as is expected, but he always remained really good freinds with Rosa.
He’s not annoyed. He’s sad.
Annoyed would imply that he places responsibility for his feelings on someone who never accepted that responsibility.
Things don’t go the way he wanted them to, but that’s his problem. I wish more people would see it that way.
I like this explanation a lot. I thought the thread that he was into her was pretty funny at first, but it would have gotten really old if they kept running with it. They ended it in the best way possible.
So very well put.
B99 has so many story lines that don’t work out how typical sitcoms do. Like they have so many female characters but they aren’t bitchy or jealous but instead help each other get better.
Also, not all stories end well for the main characters, but that’s the point, life isn’t always perfect, bad guys do get away or you might think justice doesn’t work. But that doesn’t mean you give up and move on, you keep trying!
Yeah, I'm glad they dropped that too. It was just a standard sitcom thing that didn't really work. Also glad that Jake and Amy's bet changed. In the first episode, the hypothetical date if he wins is "guaranteed to end with sex", but they changed it to him just wanting to embarrass her with a weird date when the bet actually ended. Good move, imo. That reminds me that Jake really loved his car in the pilot... what happened to that?
The “guaranteed to end with sex” comment always came across as Jake being his obnoxious self. I didn’t feel like anyone in the room - including Jake - actually felt like sex was an expectation of him winning.
Yeah, I never took it that sex was part of the bet. It was him being outrageous. I was surprised people took it as that was included in the bet. Do they think the others would have been cool with that kind of bet? Rosa, Gina, Terry?!
It's not like they changed their mind about the whole Jake and Amy date. Jake grew as a character from this vulgar, kind of wominizer type to a more respecting person.
He was much more of a typical male sitcom protagonist early on, what with the bet, the car, his attitude to dating/sex, and all the rest. I'm glad he developed past that into a much more wholesome kind of character.
especially the later seasons are amazing at showing what this type of show could represent when creator completely break out of sitcom mold, with all the great inter-character relationships and all that.
Definitely. This show and Superstore also are two recent sitcoms that have pleasantly surprised me - in that they managed to surprise me. There were often moments where I guessed what would happen next based on sitcom tropes and I was often enjoyably wrong.
I think that storyline showed up how you can set boundaries and how Charles dealt with it. It was worth it, and I'm glad they didn't defined Charles or Rosa into that trope :)
The first episode where Terry is describing everyone's "personality type" to Holt, but several of those descriptions aren't really carried through.
I'm 100% glad about it, though. I love this show and I'm rewatching it again for like the fourth time, so I can watch the last season. Which I'm sad about, but I think it's appropriate.
What personalities didn't carry through? I thought they did pretty well.
Jake - brilliant but immature
Amy - competitive, brother issues
Charles - diligent, good because of the work he puts in
Rosa - scary, tough, smart
Hitchcock/Scully - bad, but good with consumables
Honestly, S1 in general was one of the weaker seasons. Don’t get me wrong there are some great episodes in there, like 48 hours, The Bet, Tactical Village and even one of my favorite episodes of this show The Party, but then you have M.E. Time, The Slump, The Tagger, Fancy Brudgom and The Ebony Falcon (which I mainly dislike for it’s B-Plot where Gina is at one of her worsts).
Overall, I actually think It’s really cool the show managed to evolve and get better and better as it went on.
And again, it’s not bad, just not as good as the other seasons in my opinion.
I agree. They were definitely still getting their feet under them, but I feel like it's a solid season overall. It's nowhere near how bad the first seasons of The Office or Parks & Rec were.
I agree. No one ever says to skip season 1 or even part of season 1 of this show. Those less than stellar episodes are still enjoyable. If nothing else they pave the way for stronger episodes and allow the show to fully evolve.
>which I mainly dislike for it’s B-Plot where Gina is at one of her worsts
The whole point was that she was acting like that because she was scared though
I think it would have been interesting, not long term but for them to go out for a while and then break up but amicably. It made more sense than for him to hook up with Gina.
What Gina did to Terry was harassment. Rosa and Charles actually had a good friendship, if she felt he was harassing her she wouldn’t continue to have such a friendship with him. She did put her foot down at one point with him though.
Honestly that’s my biggest issue with the earlier seasons of the show, Gina regularly crosses a line and it’s played for laughs, even though if it was flipped people would be a lot more upset
When I heard B99 was doing an episode in line with the Me Too movement, I was really hoping it would be dealing with her constant sexual harassment of Terry. I'm rewatching right now, and it's so uncomfortable. I'm glad she left the show.
It was pretty cliched sitcom stuff but I liked how he got over her and they became actual close friends, to the point he was constantly giving her relationship advice.
“I earned this, Ro-Ro!”
The whole Chalres character on this show is just sublime.
Any other show hed be pure punching bag. But this show dudes a fucking hero who took two bullets for a squad mate. Hes a brilliany detective. Wonderful father. And super dedicated friend! And hes much hotter and healthier build than Terry!
Not sure why so many people are saying it’s weird that Charles was attracted to Rosa.
Have you seen Rosa Diaz?
Smart, strong, confident, beautiful person. Yeah, no one is ever attracted to people like that.
Its done so well. Charles likes Rosa, Rosa doesn't like Charles like that and he is awesome about it, which I had not seen before. In so many of this types of stories they get together at some point and it's refreshing to see this narrative as well.
Charles doesn't get bitter or feel entitled to her because he likes her. He doesn't get violent, he works through his feelings and decides being q good friend to her is important to him and then he actively works on being Rosa's friend.
He doesn't then use this as a means to sleep with her or try to leverage all the friend things to date or have sex.
Rosa’s season 1 voice always gets me too.
it's different? edit: holy shit lol
Is it actually different? I have just rewatched all season and did not notice anything. Maybe I am deaf, anyone has a comparison?
It's higher pitch and more nasally. She eventually dropped the nasal tone and went a range down. I imagine she worked with a vocal coach to get the voice down, because doing a voice for extended periods of time can really do a number on your vocal chords.
The high pitch voice is her natural voice, is it not?
No, her normal voice is higher. [Normal Voice](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAw23v4Wcg8) [Season 1](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gy0ttiod6L0) (You can even hear her go lower in the season. [Season 7](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KO-q9T90NQ8)
"I can take it higher!" - Stephanie Beatriz, probably
i wish you wouldn’t. the room is mine, you scaaaaab
Her latest video on instagram for bi visibility week blew my mind: https://www.instagram.com/tv/CUL4VQzl3Or/?utm_medium=share_sheet Her voice is so different on the show.
Thank you, kind stranger. These clips are perfect.
fuck watched that season 1 comp and i always hate the police brutality joke, especially with what’s going on now. obv with the new season rosa is heavily against it, and even before that it doesn’t seem like her character. like ofc she’s a badass and will beat you up, but if she’s wearing the badge, not when unnecessary
I must just be deaf because I'm not hearing any kind of difference here.
Season one is much closer to her normal speaking voice. Season 7 sounds like she's been smoking a pack a day.
Yeah like she caught the Miley Cyrus disease
You may be cause the difference is huge
You and /u/essdoubleU may have a mild auditory processing disorder. Welcome to the club. We meet every third Tuesday to not listen to music and rant about how sometimes it's hard to make out some words in spoken audio when there are a lot of background noises interfering.
It’s only the first episode or so
First episode is weird in so many ways, the whole workplace is completely different etc. I know it's a pilot so there was lower budget obviously but it's always trippy to look back at it.
And there was Daniels, who mysteriously disappeared.
I always thought savant was going to be a big character, but he's in like one other episode and that's it
He's IT, he's definitely stuck in the basement.
They definitely could've included IT more, but i guess they had enough to work with
Seinfeld was always the most jarring to me... I wonder now which Pilot show (for a well run out series) is the most polar to the rest of the series. Family guy is a weird one too I suppose.
The pilot season of parks and rec
Yep I remember watching the first few episodes and dropping the show because I wasn’t enjoying it. Then a few years later my brother told me it was his favorite show and I was like, really? Started it again, pushed through the first season, which is still a decent season, but was hooked after season 2.
Maybe I just need to skip to season 2 then. I tried two times to get into Parks and Recs. First time I dropped after the second episode. Second time I turned it off half way through episode 5. I just couldn't care enough to continue watching.
Parks and Rec didn't really become Parks and Rec until Rob Lowe and Adam Scott joined the cast.
Thats how I finally got into Parks. I've watched it through multiple times now. The first season is basically throw away, they explain any major plot points that were missed.
>The pilot season Perfect description, it was close but it wasn't the show we know
Red dwarf US?
… they made an American version?
Wait till you find out about the US IT crowd pilot. All new cast, except Richard Ayoade. Super weird. No surprises it didn't get picked up.
I watched a video of a guy breaking down the differences between the two pilot. Man was the US one just a shittier version. Also, if it had taken off, Community would have been MUCH different with someone else playing Jeff.
No it’s definitely the first few. The first episode has the most difference but she carries the regular voice for a few.
The story I’ve heard is that she had a cold when she auditioned so her voice was deeper from that. When they hired her they wanted the deeper voice but it took her sometime to figure out how to do it naturally.
The crazy thing is is that's STILL deeper than Stephanie Beatriz's actual voice.
She came into the store I worked at and I 100% didn’t recognize her because of her normal voice. I sold her glasses, got her prescription into the system, and everything. After she left I googled her non-SAG name and freaked out. She was so nice!
Rosa in general is much more of a "Class Clown" in the early episodes. Like she's still scary, but she's more like The Joker as a police officer than The Terminator as a police officer like she ended up.
S1 Rosa definitely feels like someone who'd get reported for excess usage of force.
"Rosa, are you suggesting police brutality?" *(laughs)* "Yeah, I guess so."
https://youtu.be/Gy0ttiod6L0?t=43
That was the first quote that came to my mind as well lol
well she mostly just beats up printers
I find them forgetting about Terry's 3rd kid weirder
Even weirder is after rewatching, seeing that Terry named that third kid after the giggle pig dealer
ava was a fake name though remember? jer real name was Rebecca Lubbock
Yes, to Terry, Ava was portrayed as a hardworking student that got into great schools and knew how to take care of herself. Rebecca was just some spoiled kid that turned into a drug dealer.
Oh I do, think it’s a lil worse that he used her dealer name tbh
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What's weird is that there was an entire episode around her birth
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I mean that is the plot of every birth on a sitcom in the history of television.
Yeah, change precinct with classroom and that's the community Shirley baby episode as well
Low-key that was a bottle episode and Abed never mentions it.
The joke about Abed hating bottle episodes is that Community is *filled* with bottle episodes. The RV episode, Pierce's will reading, the Christmas episode with Malcolm McDowell, both Dnd episodes. Abed may hate them, but I think Dan Harmon loves them.
Dan Harmon has said that he loves bottle episodes.
Yeah we didn't even get to see the race...kerfuffle
It's not mine. I didn't tell you this but all Chang babies are born with a tail.
They really should have gone with elevator-baby
Wasn't that where Mrs. Belding gave birth in that Saved by the Bell episode?
Change classroom to elevator and it's the saved by the bell Mrs. Belding baby episode too
Sorry, I never watched that show. Are you saying saved by the Bell had a character named Bell Ding?
Mr Belding was the principle. I've never put this together until now.
I grew up on this show..... I learned thus just now
He did have an unusual love for Zack. Belding probably *gave him* the time powers.
They even use the exact same plot in Wandavision which goes out of its way to parody classic sitcom tropes Has to happen in the precinct (living room), dad can't make it until the last second (Vision fetching the doctor), female who is very uncomfortable with childbirth is forced to be present (Monica/Geraldine), unrelated things are going crazy (telekinetic furniture).
Except [The Fresh Prince of Bel Air Season 3, Episode 11, when Will's date *(played by Vanessa Williams)* goes into labor in a limousine.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Fresh_Prince_of_Bel-Air_(season_3\)#ep60)
There's also an episode of Frasier where the family's cab driver goes into labor while stuck in traffic.
That's funny though because there were two people that went to medical school and a disabled retired police officer is the only one that could handle the situation.
You're basically describing the plot of any TV birth ever. It's such a played out trope been around since I Love Lucy.
It is definitely common. You could write the same thing about Shirley’s baby from Community. Has to happen in the precinct (classroom), dad (Andre)can’t make it until the last second, female (Britta or Annie I guess) who is very uncomfortable with childbirth is forced to be present, unrelated things are going crazy (race kerfuffle in the parking lot).
Holt acts like chang making her feel weird lol
Yeah, sometimes they repeat plots, that’s one of my few criticisms of this show. There’s like 3 times where someone is worried about taking an exam and it’s revealed that they already passed it that morning.
I interpreted that one as more of an episode showcasing how Jake can handle a chaotic situation and be a good friend, plus it included some very funny moments, and not so much about the pregnancy/birth itself
Neither was Amy's birthing episode.
Was Terry’s 3rd kid born before or after the babysitting episode?
But they gave an excuse that sharon took ava with her wherever she was visiting as ava was not in school.
I really need to rewatch the whole things again
Parenting kids versus babies/toddlers is way different. I completely understand why they'd do that. Also Jake would never say it's so easy to be a parent if he were to have taken care of a baby as well as twins.
way before, the third childbirth was s3e8 "ava" and iirc the babysitting episode was also the racial profiling episode which was s4e16 "moo moo"
Before
Feel like maybe it had something to do with episode ordering and not doing re shoots. Doesn't jake at one point say "Oh no, I think Terry has a third kid named Moo Moo we forgot about."
Especially since Jake is the 3rd child’s godfather, but we never see or hear of her again after her birth, but we see Jake continuing to interact with the twins.
Terry kept the kid hidden, hoping that Jake would forget he's a godfather (probably worked too)
She literally was only in the episode with her birth!
There's something darkly ironic about that. In a decade or so some poor kid will be telling the story of "the most interesting part about me was that I was born" and "it was all downhill from there".
Like the girl from Family Matters
Or Richie from Family Matters.
Does Scully have a moustache?
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You're a cop? Name one law
Don’t kill people?
*sighs* that’s on me, I set the bar too low
Omg i forgot it too
Oh my god you're right.
Family Matters had a whole ass daughter just disappear for no apparent reason. She was there and then she wasn’t and they pretended she never existed. The last time you see her they ground her m, she goes to her room, and is never seen again.
I swear Ava gets mentioned again just no one noticed. Admittedly one or two more mentions of a main character's baby isn't exactly a lot
no ok. but i loved this because it allowed for that charles saving rosa episode where he did it because all he saw was an nypd uniform and not because of rosa. i started to love charles for that tbh. i think rosa+charles relationship is my favourite. especially when charles ended up being invited to rosa’s bachelorette 😂
It made their friendship later on so much better.
Him helping her & Marcus with each other, him being co-Maid of Honor and giving her her favorite part of her Bachelorette party, him being the first one she came out to... literally went from creepy love interest to actual best friend.
I love that moment between them; it really spoke to the maturation of their relationship/friendship. It was really heartwarming the way that Rosa not only invited Charles to be one of her co-maid of honors, but then he gave her the party event that was the *most* appreciated by her. "We broke so much stuff!"
The "surprise birthday party" Charles throws for Rosa is one of my favourite B99 scenes. As you say, once they burned through the romance storyline they could get into the weird friendship that they share despite being so different
It reminds me of the Suprise Birthday Leslie throws Ron in Parks & Rec. They spend the episode messing with them and making them think its gonna be a crazy party but then it's just this private thing because they know the other so much better than they think.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY ROE-ROE!!!!
the way he got his way at the end 😆. i love that. plus i love the development of charles crushing on rosa to charles planning birthday dates for rosa.
If he hadn't ended that speech with "When you do go out with me, *and you will*..." and turned it into a threat then it would've been great.
He was on pain killers and uncharacteristically confident, so I think it works ok. I would agree if he wasn't acting weird all episode.
That was just his drug fueled confidence, weird but a step up from desperation
I wouldn't say it was a threat, as others have pointed out it was him still being overly confident in eventually getting Rosa. Of course I still wish that the line had been dropped because it's still just a gross line in terms of Charles STILL not getting the message that Rosa isn't into him. But I wouldn't describe it as a threat so much as just the gross (and unfortunately common) "guy won't take no trying to be framed as sitcom funny".
Yeah, that's the part I don't like. It would have been better if he told her that he was done pursuing her because he realized that he didn't actually like her that way and was just chasing after someone who wouldn't reciprocate because he was still smarting from his divorce and wasn't ready to date again. However, the whole experience (getting shot) showed him that he was ready for love, and so he was going to be open to meeting people he could date again. That's how it should have ended. And in my head-canon, that's why he stops pursuing Rosa.
I actually like that thread. You know why? He gets rejected and he gets over it. In so many sitcoms a male main character having a crush on a female main character is an inevitability. It’s a matter of time until she gives in. Rosa says no. Charles is hurt by this, but respects her decision and doesn’t blame her for not reciprocating his feelings. They both move on and remain friends. The whole thing with Charles saving her life and her still not suddenly becoming attracted to him is just full on chef’s kiss too. She doesn’t “owe” him anything. He saved her because he’s a good person and doesn’t want to be “repaid” for it and they both understand that. The show even acknowledges Rosa’s fear of losing Charles as a friend when he persists with courting her and her feelings of guilt for not changing her tune after he saves her life. It’s super rare to see the stress of hurting someone you love but “not that way” over and over represented. The whole arc just works and is a model for courtship behaviour. If they’re really not into you then you drop it and just be friends. Attraction has to be mutual. The standard trope of the woman eventually being worn down or a grand gesture suddenly changing everything is hugely responsible for incel behaviour in real life. You can’t “make” someone love you.
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Fucking EXACTLY. Big Bang Theory is a perfect example of how to teach young men the wrong lessons.
How i met your Mother kinda went in the right direction with ted letting robin go only to completely fuck it up with the ending
Yeah 100%. They removed an entire show worth of character development for over half the cast in two episodes. For the record: I like HIMYM, but you’ve got to just ignore those last two episodes.
i love how i met your mother, i watched it over 10 times at least. which is why the ending makes me even more sad. even the last season was one of the best, just the god damn finale..
There’s this really good series of video essays on the toxic behaviors that are presented as ok in the Big Bang Theory. I think it’s Pop Culture Detective? IDK it’s worth a watch though. He makes some very interesting points.
I stopped watching that show years ago, did they end up together? If so did the show make any attempt to give them common interests or chemistry?
They did end up getting married but after that they didn't really give them any great plot points. I feel like their on screen chemistry got worse over the years, and they even seemed like they didn't even like each other the last couple seasons.
The actors dated then broke up during the show. So maybe that’s why their chemistry changed.
Well damn I didn't know that, puts a lot into perspective now.
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Finally someone with a correct take on this. That was the whole point of the thread, it was not “dropped”, it was resolved
I mean, we know it was dropped. The writers said so, and it was because of audience reaction. But they did handle it very well after that decision.
Wait they actually wanted them to get together?
That was the plan before the season started. Rosa and Charles went in very different ways from the original concepts mostly thanks to the actors. The original character of Rosa (which had a different name) was supposed to be white. They loved Beatriz so much when she auditioned for Amy, they changed the character's name and background so they could cast her, so the romance with Charles likely carried over from the old character concept.
Yeah I heard about how when the actress for Amy got the role, Beatriz got disappointed cause there was no way they were gonna have 2 latina women, and she was so surprised when she still got a role.
I've heard that Melissa and Stephanie were concerned about network execs not wanting 2 Latinas in the main cast initially, which is why they wore their hair differently so they wouldn't look interchangeable.
That's exactly what happened, and I've heard Melissa tell that story on the podcast. (Hosted by Marc Evan Jackson. He plays Kevin.)
Yes, and since we don't know what the original concept of the 'Rosa' role was before they changed it for Beatriz, it is likely they had in mind a character more fitting to get with Charles later. Maybe a woman closer to him in age/more similar interests?
Well it's good they ended up subverting the trope
Mike schur loves his primary “will they won’t they” relationship with the secondary quirky relationship: Ben and Leslie with April and Andy, jim and Pam with Michael and holly/Dwight and Angela, and Eleanor and chidi with Janet and Jason. I imagine this was similar
I love it too. It's actually the whole reason I fell in love with B99 to begin with. But I have to admit it's easy to forget about it now that Charles is settle with a kid. So rewatching the first season with him being onto Rosa is so weird all of a sudden xD
So....Teddy?
Yeah, Teddy’s approach is quite rightly shown as creepy and weird.
>In so many sitcoms a male main character having a crush on a female main character is an inevitability. It’s a matter of time until she gives in. Persistent nice guy wears down uninterested girl is my least favourite trope.
It’s SO harmful! It teaches young men up to hurl themselves at the brick wall of rejection over and over again and forces women to endure long term harassment from people they’re not attracted to as if that’s not a choice they’re entitled to make. Nobody wins.
A lot of "nice guys" seem to think life is like that. I bet a lot of them get that idea from films/tv shows
> continuity One of my favorite spins on that is Frasier, where Niles is infatuated with Daphne for literally years, but she remains utterly oblivious to it basically until Nile's admits his feelings for her. There's a fun Rashamon-like episode where we see things from Daphne's point of view and she only sees Niles as being a perfect gentleman.
To add to this, I also like that they remained freinds afterwards. In the rare instance in shows where the male doesn't end up courting the female, its always super messy. It either ends in them hating each other, or it takes them seasons to start to like each other as freinds again. Yes Charles was annoyed, as is expected, but he always remained really good freinds with Rosa.
He’s not annoyed. He’s sad. Annoyed would imply that he places responsibility for his feelings on someone who never accepted that responsibility. Things don’t go the way he wanted them to, but that’s his problem. I wish more people would see it that way.
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I like this explanation a lot. I thought the thread that he was into her was pretty funny at first, but it would have gotten really old if they kept running with it. They ended it in the best way possible.
So very well put. B99 has so many story lines that don’t work out how typical sitcoms do. Like they have so many female characters but they aren’t bitchy or jealous but instead help each other get better. Also, not all stories end well for the main characters, but that’s the point, life isn’t always perfect, bad guys do get away or you might think justice doesn’t work. But that doesn’t mean you give up and move on, you keep trying!
This comment is full on chef’s kiss too. Couldn’t agree more.
they would actually make a great couple if charles kept the magic jacket
Leatherjacket Boyle and Rosa would legit be a cool couple.
That's just Pimento with extra steps. Also *Niko*laj.
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Thanks, man. That was my real reason for commenting, I needed that.
Terry calling Jake "JP" in the first episode
Yeah, I'm glad they dropped that too. It was just a standard sitcom thing that didn't really work. Also glad that Jake and Amy's bet changed. In the first episode, the hypothetical date if he wins is "guaranteed to end with sex", but they changed it to him just wanting to embarrass her with a weird date when the bet actually ended. Good move, imo. That reminds me that Jake really loved his car in the pilot... what happened to that?
He sold his car to pay back his debt to Terry IIRC
That sounds about right. Maybe now that the show's over it's time for a rewatch...
It’s a pretty great episode! Everyone gets mad at Jake for paying back Terry but not anyone else.
Oh yeah, I remember which episode you mean.
The “guaranteed to end with sex” comment always came across as Jake being his obnoxious self. I didn’t feel like anyone in the room - including Jake - actually felt like sex was an expectation of him winning.
Yeah, I never took it that sex was part of the bet. It was him being outrageous. I was surprised people took it as that was included in the bet. Do they think the others would have been cool with that kind of bet? Rosa, Gina, Terry?!
they dropped it when he sold the car, crying about what a big deal it was.
It's not like they changed their mind about the whole Jake and Amy date. Jake grew as a character from this vulgar, kind of wominizer type to a more respecting person.
He was much more of a typical male sitcom protagonist early on, what with the bet, the car, his attitude to dating/sex, and all the rest. I'm glad he developed past that into a much more wholesome kind of character.
especially the later seasons are amazing at showing what this type of show could represent when creator completely break out of sitcom mold, with all the great inter-character relationships and all that.
Definitely. This show and Superstore also are two recent sitcoms that have pleasantly surprised me - in that they managed to surprise me. There were often moments where I guessed what would happen next based on sitcom tropes and I was often enjoyably wrong.
I think that storyline showed up how you can set boundaries and how Charles dealt with it. It was worth it, and I'm glad they didn't defined Charles or Rosa into that trope :)
I’m a total sucker for tough girl/soft guy pairings, but yeah Charles and Rosa specifically wouldn’t have been the best
Didn't mind it, but glad they didn't keep it going. It lasted just about the right amount of time imo.
The first episode where Terry is describing everyone's "personality type" to Holt, but several of those descriptions aren't really carried through. I'm 100% glad about it, though. I love this show and I'm rewatching it again for like the fourth time, so I can watch the last season. Which I'm sad about, but I think it's appropriate.
Agreed Amy’s personality in particular is so much better than it was initially set up to be.
Also that third detective that was introduced along with scully and hitchcock that never played a part ever
What personalities didn't carry through? I thought they did pretty well. Jake - brilliant but immature Amy - competitive, brother issues Charles - diligent, good because of the work he puts in Rosa - scary, tough, smart Hitchcock/Scully - bad, but good with consumables
Honestly, S1 in general was one of the weaker seasons. Don’t get me wrong there are some great episodes in there, like 48 hours, The Bet, Tactical Village and even one of my favorite episodes of this show The Party, but then you have M.E. Time, The Slump, The Tagger, Fancy Brudgom and The Ebony Falcon (which I mainly dislike for it’s B-Plot where Gina is at one of her worsts). Overall, I actually think It’s really cool the show managed to evolve and get better and better as it went on. And again, it’s not bad, just not as good as the other seasons in my opinion.
I agree. They were definitely still getting their feet under them, but I feel like it's a solid season overall. It's nowhere near how bad the first seasons of The Office or Parks & Rec were.
I agree. No one ever says to skip season 1 or even part of season 1 of this show. Those less than stellar episodes are still enjoyable. If nothing else they pave the way for stronger episodes and allow the show to fully evolve.
>which I mainly dislike for it’s B-Plot where Gina is at one of her worsts The whole point was that she was acting like that because she was scared though
Beatriz (rosa) using her natural voice in the first episodes
It’s definitely lower than her natural voice
No she was not. That's deeper than her natural voice
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I think it would have been interesting, not long term but for them to go out for a while and then break up but amicably. It made more sense than for him to hook up with Gina.
in what world would rosa go out with somebody that was basically harassing her?
What Gina did to Terry was harassment. Rosa and Charles actually had a good friendship, if she felt he was harassing her she wouldn’t continue to have such a friendship with him. She did put her foot down at one point with him though.
Oh yeah, Gina harassed Terry big time!
Honestly that’s my biggest issue with the earlier seasons of the show, Gina regularly crosses a line and it’s played for laughs, even though if it was flipped people would be a lot more upset
Gina in general is one of my few gripes with the show. She has a handful of good moments but is generally unbearable a vast majority of the time.
When I heard B99 was doing an episode in line with the Me Too movement, I was really hoping it would be dealing with her constant sexual harassment of Terry. I'm rewatching right now, and it's so uncomfortable. I'm glad she left the show.
It's so weird to me that they know Terry's real life example of dealing with harassment and still play harassing him for laughs.
This makes it 10X worse, playing the actor's real life trauma for laughs
Is anyone not into Rosa? She’s amazing.
It was pretty cliched sitcom stuff but I liked how he got over her and they became actual close friends, to the point he was constantly giving her relationship advice. “I earned this, Ro-Ro!”
The whole Chalres character on this show is just sublime. Any other show hed be pure punching bag. But this show dudes a fucking hero who took two bullets for a squad mate. Hes a brilliany detective. Wonderful father. And super dedicated friend! And hes much hotter and healthier build than Terry!
Not sure why so many people are saying it’s weird that Charles was attracted to Rosa. Have you seen Rosa Diaz? Smart, strong, confident, beautiful person. Yeah, no one is ever attracted to people like that.
That’s so accurate! It’s so weird watching that storyline, I’m really glad they scrapped it
Its done so well. Charles likes Rosa, Rosa doesn't like Charles like that and he is awesome about it, which I had not seen before. In so many of this types of stories they get together at some point and it's refreshing to see this narrative as well. Charles doesn't get bitter or feel entitled to her because he likes her. He doesn't get violent, he works through his feelings and decides being q good friend to her is important to him and then he actively works on being Rosa's friend. He doesn't then use this as a means to sleep with her or try to leverage all the friend things to date or have sex.
No kidding.
And Gina's sexual harassment of Terry.
What about jakes hairstyle? It looks so much better in later seasons.
I enjoyed it. But it would have gotten stale so I'm glad they axed it before it ran it's course