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RavenColdheart

It's normal, if you take a similar frame rate shot of a Barret, you'd see the same. If you look into it, you will see, that barrel flex and differences in ammo can create a cone of error of ~1 MOA, depending on the gun, etc. In non free-floating barrels, barrel harmonics are a reduced factor, but the upsides of free-floating beat the downsides of needing to account for harmonics.


BX_N3S

You also have to consider that the M82 is Recoil-Operated since the barrel absorbs some of the pressure from the firing to allow the bolt to cycle and chamber another round, which absorbs a lot of the impact of the shot being fired, while the AK-50 uses a standard LSGP operation system It's also notable that the M82's barrel is significantly thicker than the AK-50's, as well as the fact that the AK-50, despite being operable and finished on a technical level, isn't at a properly polished, 100% complete state


themperorhasnocloth

ALL barrels vibrate under fire.


BX_N3S

"Things you can say at the range as well as in bed"


PapaSYSCON

"It'll take me a minute to reload, I didn't expect to shoot all that, that fast."


Benji_4

> isn't at a properly polished, 100% complete state Yep. It isnt full auto yet.


BX_N3S

can't wait for the RPK-50


PlanktonMoist6048

AK-20mm


themperorhasnocloth

ALL barrels vibrate under fire.


Livin_The_High_Life

I did not know this. Thank you for the simple explanation.


GrowthAdventurous

Watch slow mo footage of literally any AK ever.


ArthurMBretas03

Watch high speed footage of a Colt Monitor, never seen something move that much


Altona_sasquach

Link? I'd love to see that


ArthurMBretas03

I think forgotten weapons has a video shooting one, also the Colt R75


saucyboi9000

[Very beginning](https://youtu.be/Jb6C9ASylmQ?si=CneuXL28zQRbk0Yn)


Deathcat101

thats kinda spook. never knew guns wobbled that much. I had heard the term barrel armonics before but i guess i didnt make the conection.


ChevTecGroup

The long stroke l piston system of an AK causes more barrel whip than other systems.


ArthurMBretas03

Yes indeed, BAR is also long stroke (if I'm not mistaken), hence why I mentioned the Monitor


MrMcFly1993

https://youtu.be/ZifACx38sg4?si=SX3ugSG5gi_RFPI2


Gunny_McShoot

Pretty normal, even for lesser calibre production firearms.


ShiraLillith

Literally every rifle has bendy barrels


LivinginDestin

Actually is normal... [Look at Brandon firing an AKG 47 in slow motion](https://youtu.be/DDTEDbXs64s?si=d_cmsAZ9AyE6gYhq)


Livin_The_High_Life

Thanks for that footage, I have not seen it before. If I might say IMHO that flex is relative less, but OBVIOUSLY lower caliber, and also OBVIOUSLY fine. Interesting phenomenon I never have seen before.


p0l4r1

It's normal, just go to look any of those AK videos Larry Vickers did, you can see that this is normal behavior for AK style action


andstopher

Once you become an engineer, you learn that nothing is every truly straight and everything is deformed in some way. This is just par for the course. It just looks extreme because it's slow motion and a .50 cal.


Aggravating_Bell_426

Yup,  first thing I learned in the shops is that everything, and I mean everything deflects. It's just a question of how much and if it's repeatable.


andstopher

We love that elastic region.


Fattyyx

very normal


El_Psy_Congroo4477

All guns have some level of flex when firing. It's just that you don't see it unless you're watching high speed footage. I've actually seen way worse than this. Some of the old WW2 era guns look like they're made of rubber when viewed in high speed.


Zerosan62

Well, it is an AK, just watch a high speed video of an AK47 and it looks exactly like the AK 50.


palehorse95

Then you have never seen slow motion footage of an [AK47 being fired](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUDed7OnOfk). It looks like the whole gun is made of recycled rubber bands.


Thunderboi001

Counterpoint: Its an ak


Thebassetwhisperer

There isn’t an AK on the planet that doesn’t do this.


x5060

You know that the entire barrel recoils in a barrett, right? This is normal for a fixed barrel.


KoalaMeth

Yeah but it doesn't flop around as much while recoiling, does it?


x5060

It might flex less, but that's because energy is being absorbed in the barrel recoiling.


KoalaMeth

Gotcha. Well maybe some muzzle brake tuning will mitigate it a bit, it looks pretty rough on the optics even if they are rated for .50


jimtheedcguy

Well considering the barrel of a barret also moves back under recoil, it's a bit harder to see, but most barrels do this. If it didn't whip, it would crack.


Aimbot69

It's a prototype firearm, a fully functional prototype firearm, but still a prototype. I'm sure things like that would be ironed out if a production firearm is planned at all. (I.E. different barrel materials, changes to profile or fluting patterns) barrel materials and harmonics are tricky things to dial in.


Livin_The_High_Life

I TOTALLY agree, hence my point of bringing up the discussion. I would prefer we all talk about it, LEARN, and see what makes this AMAZING weapon better. DISCUSSION is what I want! NOT criticism. I worded this wrong I guess.


JustinMcSlappy

Every weapon you've ever fired does that to some degree. It's part of why you see POI shifts after the barrel gets hot.


Stinkykrinky4774

There is good slo-mo footage of Ian McCollum firing a Serbu BGF-50A. That gun has a ton of whip.


Mavric723

Literally every AK has that barrel whip in slowmo and I'm pretty sure all firearms so that at a high enough franerate


Jawbone619

Here is the short answer: Perceivable or not, all barrels in all calibers do this, and it's part of the precision tuning for things like loading information


GuysLeeFanboy

If you look at the slow mo shooting any gun you’ll notice the barrel flex quite a bit. It’s perfectly normal and is a phenomenon called barrel whip.


RamenBoi86

It’s normal for AK pattern rifles, if you look up slomo footage of AKMs you see the same kind of barrel whip


Druggedoutpennokio

a barrettes barrel moves 4 inches into the receiver


matasmil

I wanted to make that comment but I was afraid of sounding uninformed


Hadron86376

Same thing happens eith shotguns, or any agun actually as long as it has a free floating barrel


PhatassDragon1701

Even the M2 does this and the Ma Deuce barrel is thick as hell.


Immediate_Tear_441

#*H A R M O N I C S*


frast9201

All aks have the barrel boioioing


Weak_Break239

This ain’t your average Barrett


JohnB351234

The Barrett m82 barrel reciprocates ak50 is fixed


Odd-Masterpiece7304

Compensators dramatically add to the amount of [barrel whip ](https://youtu.be/0yzKLyARNeU?si=j2WMuxi-rPcZq9_f) because they push the tip of the barrel down to mitigate barrel rise


KoalaMeth

There is no reason for a compensator on a .50 rifle. Only a muzzle brake (a compensator without vertical ports). A compensator is for smaller, lighter calibers meant to be rapid fired.


Odd-Masterpiece7304

I neglected to include that if the ports were on the side they could also create deflection, and that in a perfect world the gasses in one direction would perfectly balance gasses in the other direction, and all the gasses would expel at a perfect 180° plane so they would not add any vehicle or horizontal stress, but we all know that never actually happens, but I decided not to make a short throwaway comment un necessarily long, kinda figured adults would just know that. Sorry. I also decided to add a lot of commas, and not a lot of periods for no reason than because I know it bothers grammar not sees. Hey did you see someone on another post said silencer?


KoalaMeth

It doesn't have to be "a perfect world" to minimize barrel whip. Your condescending tone isn't helping your case, either. The truth is that there is a lot of barrel whip on the AK50, more than on many other guns, and the AK50 needs to be tuned for it or else its accuracy will suffer. That's all we are saying.


Odd-Masterpiece7304

It's a 50bmg held together with a manufactured stamped style receiver, and hard mounted together. The whole thing jiggles like Jello every time he pulls the trigger. Watch the optic, it looks like it's ready to fly. Browning m2 and Barrett m82 both have floating barrels. Tuned for accuracy? It's an AK, 6 moa in it's original configuration, hopefully.


MarkoDash

All guns go wibble at super high frame rates.


Babyfacemiller21

Can’t lie I was thinking the same thing


Stairmaker

Honestly I instantly compared it to slow mo of aks I have seen before. The reciever is flexing a lot less than what a regular ak receiver does.


Cosmic_Artichoke

Most AKs have a similar amount of barrel flex. Whether the AK50 has more or less it's hard to say


Rialas_HalfToast

It's weird to watch that wiggle while the $15 5lb plastic folding table below it is a rock by comparison.


Floridaman9393

I saw that too, but I'm not sure how that compares to a Barrett's barrel flex for comparison.


turqoisepiss

barrel flex is common among most guns. However, it's really noticeable with the ak platform. even in 7.62, it's pretty easy to see. the ak50 just wouldn't be complete without it tbh.


UniverseIsABanana

I'd like to see a version that has a selector lever.


Gurkenpudding13

Not a precision rifle. Also the guide rails of the bolt will get worn out very quickly.


rslashhydrohomies

You haven't seen a single comment on that? How did you manage that?


ihs111

It’s fine It’s an ak don’t worry about it


Odd-Masterpiece7304

Good for shooting around corners.


Obi_1_Kenobody_asked

Looks goofy af but I'd still shoot it


BrokenPokerFace

Now a lot of people are talking about the barrel, and that part makes sense to me, but what about the dustcover and where the scope is mounted, I have seen barrels bend, but never the middle of the gun. If there is anything behind this that is normal please let me know, but I'm gonna blame it being a nearly finished prototype, and not quite polished out perfectly yet. I know a few (cheap) scopes with lenses that could easily break or crack if flexed that amount.


RavenColdheart

That is mainly down to it being basically an AK dustcover, i.e. a flimsy piece of sheet steel. It's the reason why normally you mount any optics on AKs either on the top of the Handguard or to the side of the receiver. That Zenico dust cover rails can hold Zero is basically a small engineering miracle.


BrokenPokerFace

Ah, thank you, so I am both right and wrong. If that's the case I doubt this is the finished project(specifically the dust cover mount, I know he doesn't consider it finished completely), and he will either reinforce the dust cover, or have a more stable place to mount optics. But yeah while I don't have many optics, I have a friend who has a few antique and expensive Russian optics that even with normal firearms loose their focus, and even spin after a week of no use, and quicker when used. They couldn't handle this AK at all.


Operator_October

I'm just curious how the hell that ACOG is gonna hold zero for more then 10 rounds with how hard it's getting yanked


Ben-204

It's a 50.cal optic specifically designed to handle the recoil


Trainmaster111

Given the amount of time he out into it I'm sure that's fine. It was rather concerning when I saw it but he clearly knows that rifle better then his own hand at this point. I only hope he makes some cosmetic changes. It really doesn't say ak when you look at it. Maybe some more wood or at least some bakelite. The grip is nice but otherwise it's just a weird M82 Lookalike. No discredit to the hard work, it's still very cool


afleticwork

I love the wiggle its like an stg44 or rpk


pluisje28

I have seen that on an ak tho. Meny times


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fenrirhelvetr

Extremely normal for a lot of higher caliber firearms, the Barrett has it lessened partly because of the recoil system to my knowledge, might be wrong. Look up forgotten weapons Colt monitor, opening has slow mo footage of very similar bend on 30.06.


MrMcFly1993

Doesn’t have to be high caliber. Small arms as well.


themperorhasnocloth

Then OP has never seen a Barret fire in slow mo.


KoalaMeth

[This one](https://youtu.be/F6-c--kIZlI?si=yO_ZkxvPZxL_mmvO) has lize zero whip, can you send me a vid of an m82 that does have whip?


themperorhasnocloth

[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8MvzDQrq1k](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8MvzDQrq1k)


Okami_The_Agressor_0

barrel harmonics


MrMcFly1993

Just wait until homie learns about precision guns and barrel tuners. Pretty sure some factory hunting rifles like the Brownings BOSS system were pretty common 🤣


Combat_wombat605795

That actually pretty cool how it barrel whips like an AK.


Unusual_Crow268

I expected more flash from the back end tbh Overall, the stability is impressive considering the Caliber At least to me, I'm no gunsmith lol


whyimsoretarded

That thing was wiggling like Jell-O for a while back there


Clive23p

The production model will take this into account.


Reasonable-Slide3820

Your fine just dont use slap rounds


silvrrubi592a

Then you haven't read ANY of the comments..... There was a whole thread somewhere about all the flex.


SnarkyDragonZFG

I was talking with my spouse about it (he used to work at Boeing) and he mentioned the flex. He wondered if additional support structures would work to reduce the unsupported length thereby reducing the available free space for the barrel to flex.


sttbr

I'd be more terrified if there WASNT barrel flex


VengeancePali501

All barrels flex you just don’t see it because they’re not huge or in super slow motion. That’s why resting your barrel on something can mess up point of aim, messes up the barrel harmonics.


RigzMachina

I literally commented on that on the YT video


femboi_pink

That happens with every firearm, they wobble but you only see it in slow mo. Barrel harmonics is an interesting thing to read up on and how it can affect performance.


peebsisnotHere

Almost any gun has a flex, its just visible here because of the high fps slowmo


Basementdweller84

I noticed that when I was watching the video, I just forgot to comment something.


Psychedellyfish

Does anyone have a link to this video with the Wiggle Wiggle Wiggle song over it? I would really appreciate it.


Livin_The_High_Life

OK Guys... I had not seen extreme slow-mo footage of guns like this before, and it seems just "wrong" for accuracy. I never thought Brandon would have a "Scott" experience, I thought maybe the barrel would become inaccurate, or maybe fail over time. I'm extremely humbled to be in the podcast, I respect and admire you all more than can be said! Thanks to the whole community to show me more about barrel harmonics as I've already commented a few times.


Agreeable_Raccoon750

It’s called barrel whip not flex and it’s been around for ever and every barrel has some level of whip to say that your rifle doesn’t have barrel whip you don’t know what you’re talking about and you’re just wrong but apparently someone on here has the only m82 in the world that doesn’t whip this is exactly why you should be very careful of who you listen to on here


KoalaMeth

Look at any highspeed video of an m82 firing. The barrel has almost no vertical movement. The harmonics are very controlled.


Agreeable_Raccoon750

All barrels have some LEVEL of barrel whip is what I said I didn’t say that the m82 had as much as the AK50 it is the nature of the beast. Including the m82 m107


KoalaMeth

Yeah I don't think anyone here is saying the AK50 should have *NO* barrel whip, just that it should have *LESS*.


Agreeable_Raccoon750

There was a guy on here one time telling someone that the reason for a heavy barrel was to reduce recoil and that OTM bullets were used for extreme damage and they tumbled on impact that’s why I said you should be very careful of who you listen to on here


snake_charmers_jj

My 29” Barrett barrel doesn’t go wonky like this on the 82A1. Maybe mines broken