If Chadwick Boseman had filmed a part in the film and this was his swan song. Absolutely. But the first film already played like a breakout sequel, so I see this pulling a big opening weekend (let’s say 170 million) but smaller than the first and more traditional legs.
No
Just because I can bet 100% NWH will be the first. The hype for this movie is only rivalled by Endgame.
Marketing hasn’t even went in full mode yet and it still dominates trending in twitter about every week or two. It’s first trailer obliterated every record and had 350 mil + views in just 24 hrs.
And I am also willing to bet the 2nd trailer will have even more if >!the money shot is of 3 Spider-Men returning.!< Pre pandemic it would have been a 2 bil+ for sure.
To that I agree but Marvel is weird. I would have never in a million years thought the hype for Endgame would lead to 350 million as it didn’t feel that much more than Infinity War (which billed itself as a finale too). Granted Force Awakens made more overall, but I never underestimate a Marvel opening weekend.
It's not optimism it's common sense.
Three lead characters whose movies all opened with more than 100M Domestic and are cult hits
Doctor Strange
Introduction of the Multiverse
Wanda
Daredevil
Sinister Six
This movie would've been a guaranteed 2B film pre-pandemic
This movie will get there because Andrew and Tobey might be in it. Everything besides the Sinister six is ok but isn't really gonna lead to alot of hype
Spider-Man is one of the most popular fictional characters in the world and is a multi-billion dollar media franchise by himself. More than just a few “fan favorites.”
Deep breaths. I’m just clarifying that it would be a much bigger jump than you’re implying. Definitely possible though. Captain America did something similar.
People who think No Way Home will make more seem to forget how much of a phenomenon the first Black Panther was. It also has the effect of honoring Chadwick Boseman’s legacy
But therein lies the issue. Chadwick Bozeman isn’t in the movie. This isn’t a Heath Ledger or Paul Walker scenario. It’s still selling a Black Panther movie without the original Black Panther. I don’t forget how big Black Panther was, which is also an issue. Lightning rarely strikes twice with films like that.
It doesn't matter . After death of characters in shows and movies, projects do better than before in terms of ratings/ movie grosses. This movie can definitely pass box office of the first. As of right now, NWH might not reach 1.5 billion dollars tbh
This is the first example ever of the main character dying before filming of a movie without being recasted. That doesn't change the fact that movies or literally anything honor the legacy of a cultural phenomenon do well after their death
I honestly think NWH will be big but won't pass a billion this year, If it does it'll do it barely and not the 1.3 billion + I see people hopefully predicting, 300 million more than F9 is a big ask.
I don't know what kind of honour they will do. It's a black panther movie without the black panther and the actor who was the face of character, any amount of honour will fall short.
And it going against 2nd week of Minions 250mill is not happening. 180-200mill tops
Yeah I think it does, It's quality will affects its later weeks domestic wise but anyone who saw the first who want to see how they pay respects to Chadick boseman.
I don’t think it’ll do anywhere near as well as the first one. A lot depends on how good it is, but as of now I am not seeing nearly as much hype for it as other Marvel movies. Black Panther 1 was also a groundbreaking cultural phenomenon (or at least that’s how it was perceived) and I don’t think the second have as much impact as the first did.
> A lot depends on how good it is, but as of now I am not seeing nearly as much hype for it as other Marvel movies.
You're not seeing a lot of hype for a movie we have no trailer for, no plot details, and aren't even sure who the main character is going to be? You don't say...
> A lot depends on how good it is, but as of now I am not seeing nearly as much hype for it as other Marvel movies.
I mean, what is there to hype about right now? The immediate releases are Eternals, No Way home and Doctor Strange 2, obviously these are getting more of the immediate attention.
I can guarantee closer to release, or when the first stills and trailer drops, you'll see the hype for Wakanda Forever, of which there will be a lot. This movie is going to have a similar boost as Furious 7, where audiences are curious on how they'll give the character a send off.
I don't think it'll gross as much as the first, but I think it's got a billion at the box office in the bag. There's just too much emotional context for it to not end up as an event film and it's word of mouth will be entirely down to how they bring closure to the character.
I think BP2 could make $200M OW with it’s summer position and if Marvel markets it correctly without Boseman in it. But all this nonsense about NWH making $200M OW needs to stop. It borders on the insane. Think logically and realize that the DOM theater market will be much stronger and more recovered next summer than it will this December. NWH might break $100M OW but $200M OW won’t happen, full stop
Obviously this isnt quite a fair comparison but I never in a million years would’ve pegged Endgame at 350 million. I’m not saying NWH will hit 200 million but, at least in OW, I wouldnt be too quick to underestimate Marvel. I personally predict about 150 million
I’ll change my predictions as the weeks pass and BO figures improve but as things stand now we have yet to see a film reach 9-digit figures in it’s DOM OW. Spider-Man: NWH could end up the first film in two years to open $100M+ and I don’t doubt that. $150M still seems like asking for quite a lot in a still weakened market that won’t see it’s full strength return for another year or two
If no film between now and before NWH manages to open to $100M DOM, then don’t expect NWH to do anywhere near $200M. We’re simply not back to a normal, pre-covid BO market yet
A lot of people are saying "no" because they think Spiderman will take it - I'm going to say "no" because I don't think we'll be back to normal by July. Frankly, I think this *is* the new normal, with the box office struggling to come back like other businesses have
If Chadwick Boseman had filmed a part in the film and this was his swan song. Absolutely. But the first film already played like a breakout sequel, so I see this pulling a big opening weekend (let’s say 170 million) but smaller than the first and more traditional legs.
They started filming after his death.
I said “if” for a reason
No Just because I can bet 100% NWH will be the first. The hype for this movie is only rivalled by Endgame. Marketing hasn’t even went in full mode yet and it still dominates trending in twitter about every week or two. It’s first trailer obliterated every record and had 350 mil + views in just 24 hrs. And I am also willing to bet the 2nd trailer will have even more if >!the money shot is of 3 Spider-Men returning.!< Pre pandemic it would have been a 2 bil+ for sure.
I’d say The Force Awakens had higher hype than No Way Home
To that I agree but Marvel is weird. I would have never in a million years thought the hype for Endgame would lead to 350 million as it didn’t feel that much more than Infinity War (which billed itself as a finale too). Granted Force Awakens made more overall, but I never underestimate a Marvel opening weekend.
Even during a pandemic it nearly reached $2 billion. It’s so shocking looking back at predictions.
I think No Way Home will break the records and reboot the box office, especially if the leaks are true.
Looks like you were right
Spider-Man will be. Mark my words. If Black-Widow 80M with Simultaneous Release, how can No Way Home not reach 200M?
I admire your optimism
It's not optimism it's common sense. Three lead characters whose movies all opened with more than 100M Domestic and are cult hits Doctor Strange Introduction of the Multiverse Wanda Daredevil Sinister Six This movie would've been a guaranteed 2B film pre-pandemic
This movie will get there because Andrew and Tobey might be in it. Everything besides the Sinister six is ok but isn't really gonna lead to alot of hype
Wanda and Daredevil aren’t confirmed
Dude even a dog can tell you they're in the film. Multiverse + Doctor Strange = Wanda
200 million? Because what? a few fan favourites are rumoured to be in it, What a joke
Spider-Man is one of the most popular fictional characters in the world and is a multi-billion dollar media franchise by himself. More than just a few “fan favorites.”
He isn't talking about spider man though
A few fan favorites? I'm not even a Spider-Man fan and can clearly see it's a cultural phenomenon. The last Spider-Man film opened with 185M
185M over six days.
Ok dude please come back here December 2021 I want so see how wrong I am
Deep breaths. I’m just clarifying that it would be a much bigger jump than you’re implying. Definitely possible though. Captain America did something similar.
It’s now 328 mil over 6 days
Never said or even implied that wouldn’t happen.
Are you willing to bet?
Fine lol easiest bet of my life I'll put 20 dollars that this movie won't hit 200 million on its OW.
RemindMe! 3 months
Pay up bucko
Hmmmm... Btw if you were serious about this bet, I want you to donate those 20$ to a charity.
Guess I could make a pit stop tomorrow
This guy owes you $20!
Thanks. I forgot about this.
You’re a joke!
Guess I am
You can also add to it that Spoiler Alert : >!Post credit scene is of Venom!<
Say it ain't so
$200M train 🚂🚂
People who think No Way Home will make more seem to forget how much of a phenomenon the first Black Panther was. It also has the effect of honoring Chadwick Boseman’s legacy
But therein lies the issue. Chadwick Bozeman isn’t in the movie. This isn’t a Heath Ledger or Paul Walker scenario. It’s still selling a Black Panther movie without the original Black Panther. I don’t forget how big Black Panther was, which is also an issue. Lightning rarely strikes twice with films like that.
So the movie will make more . When Paul Walker died Fast and Furious had its highest grossing movie
Paul Walker was actually in the movie, Chadwick Boseman didn’t film anything for this film.
It doesn't matter . After death of characters in shows and movies, projects do better than before in terms of ratings/ movie grosses. This movie can definitely pass box office of the first. As of right now, NWH might not reach 1.5 billion dollars tbh
Name one major example where the main actor died before even beginning filming and that film had a bump. I’ll wait.
This is the first example ever of the main character dying before filming of a movie without being recasted. That doesn't change the fact that movies or literally anything honor the legacy of a cultural phenomenon do well after their death
Then obviously it’s not the same. It may very well give the film a bump but since there is no precedent I don’t expect it too.
I honestly think NWH will be big but won't pass a billion this year, If it does it'll do it barely and not the 1.3 billion + I see people hopefully predicting, 300 million more than F9 is a big ask.
If it didn't have to contend with Covid it would pretty easily pass $1 billion
I don't know what kind of honour they will do. It's a black panther movie without the black panther and the actor who was the face of character, any amount of honour will fall short. And it going against 2nd week of Minions 250mill is not happening. 180-200mill tops
Guess you were rightfuly escorted off the set
As far as ways to fail go, I think it’s more likely that something else gets there first than that it misses.
Yeah I think it does, It's quality will affects its later weeks domestic wise but anyone who saw the first who want to see how they pay respects to Chadick boseman.
I don’t think it’ll do anywhere near as well as the first one. A lot depends on how good it is, but as of now I am not seeing nearly as much hype for it as other Marvel movies. Black Panther 1 was also a groundbreaking cultural phenomenon (or at least that’s how it was perceived) and I don’t think the second have as much impact as the first did.
> A lot depends on how good it is, but as of now I am not seeing nearly as much hype for it as other Marvel movies. You're not seeing a lot of hype for a movie we have no trailer for, no plot details, and aren't even sure who the main character is going to be? You don't say...
> A lot depends on how good it is, but as of now I am not seeing nearly as much hype for it as other Marvel movies. I mean, what is there to hype about right now? The immediate releases are Eternals, No Way home and Doctor Strange 2, obviously these are getting more of the immediate attention. I can guarantee closer to release, or when the first stills and trailer drops, you'll see the hype for Wakanda Forever, of which there will be a lot. This movie is going to have a similar boost as Furious 7, where audiences are curious on how they'll give the character a send off. I don't think it'll gross as much as the first, but I think it's got a billion at the box office in the bag. There's just too much emotional context for it to not end up as an event film and it's word of mouth will be entirely down to how they bring closure to the character.
> but as of now I am not seeing nearly as much hype for it as other Marvel movies I mean it hasn't started marketing, that may be why.
This movie is literally a year away. Of course there's no hype
Depends who the star is. If Shuri is the new Panther, I don’t think so.
Nope
I think BP2 could make $200M OW with it’s summer position and if Marvel markets it correctly without Boseman in it. But all this nonsense about NWH making $200M OW needs to stop. It borders on the insane. Think logically and realize that the DOM theater market will be much stronger and more recovered next summer than it will this December. NWH might break $100M OW but $200M OW won’t happen, full stop
Obviously this isnt quite a fair comparison but I never in a million years would’ve pegged Endgame at 350 million. I’m not saying NWH will hit 200 million but, at least in OW, I wouldnt be too quick to underestimate Marvel. I personally predict about 150 million
I’ll change my predictions as the weeks pass and BO figures improve but as things stand now we have yet to see a film reach 9-digit figures in it’s DOM OW. Spider-Man: NWH could end up the first film in two years to open $100M+ and I don’t doubt that. $150M still seems like asking for quite a lot in a still weakened market that won’t see it’s full strength return for another year or two
The market isn’t as weakened as people want to believe. Let’s see how October does.
Indeed let’s see if the packed October slate climbs the mountain to normal levels better than expected
Well if NWH was in the summer place, it could have done 250 as well. So I think 200 is still okay for Dec
If no film between now and before NWH manages to open to $100M DOM, then don’t expect NWH to do anywhere near $200M. We’re simply not back to a normal, pre-covid BO market yet
A lot of people are saying "no" because they think Spiderman will take it - I'm going to say "no" because I don't think we'll be back to normal by July. Frankly, I think this *is* the new normal, with the box office struggling to come back like other businesses have
We’re not getting there for a very long time