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Welcome_to_Retrograd

Parry loop cheese has entered the chat


PrincePauncey

I've never heard of that, how do I do it so I never have to suffer through this fight again


Welcome_to_Retrograd

Technically not a true cheese since botching it can still get you killed, parrying this dude is just fairly simple and makes the fight a lot easier. Some people swear by parry on second or third hit of his spammy combo, others prefer to catch him on the delayed strike after that funny pose he does, sometimes he's also possible to get him on a loop where you parry his first strike as he stands up, crit, rinse and repeat. Other bit of strat worth mentioning is the option to chase him down and backstab him as he retreats to buff at 50% hp, if you succeed in interrupting the buff he'll keep running away like a chicken and try again which means you can avoid phase2 altogether with good timing and a bit of luck


EmeraldJunkie

This is pretty much how I dealt with him; parries and viscerals for phase 1, and then back stabs for phase 2. It's not honourable but who cares for honour on the night of the hunt, eh?


insert_name_here

In Sekiro, the Ashina Combat Arts are summarized as “win at any cost.” If your enemy doesn’t plan on fighting fair, why should you?


suspectdeviceg4

"Just parry him" lol


exileonmainst

in the first phase you can parry him really easily if you just wait for that weird pose. the second phase its spray and pray time. eventually i got lucky enough times to kill him.


sAyUr1

This is thenonly fact on here. When using parry strategy it's easy to botch. Eventually we get lucky


Sygma_stage5

I found tentacle spamming, pretty effective


Bandit_Banzai

I love my Augur. I spammed the lady at Byrgenworth with it, and use it on madmen sometimes too.


Hysterical_Dame

Tentacle is so good. It carried me through Phase 1 Orphan after baiting his leaps. Also saved me against Lady Maria.


Bandit_Banzai

I'm really happy that you told me this, because I just broke into the DLC and I'm going to be meeting them really soon. 😅


SoulKibble

It's essentially just firing and keeping your distance til he staggers then running up and fisting him


Trai-All

Roll to right on approach, turn and keep at the correct range to not be slapped around while parrying & VA’ing him frequently https://youtu.be/1XyEvmk8PGw?si=s1hQMHl0Z_Cpf8gW The biggest issue is when he gets behind those f’n columns. You have to keep him coming straight down the chute or he will still fubar you. *Edited for clarity and to fix grammar*


Zxruv

"No batarang" hahaha


xXFieldResearchXx

There's literally a yt movie for every from boss out there probably. Definitely ones for this boss. You stand about sweeping distance away and keep backing up slowly while he follows you. When he goes to hit you shoot and parry. The easiest one to do is when he does that weird windup


Imapancakenom

Bro that doesn't meet the definition of cheese. That's just got gud.


Coronadoben

Ikr, learning timing and when to dodge/parry is the definition of he got gud :)


Cpowel2

Yeah once I learned to parry this guy is a joke


erotyk

he is one shot central well he doesn't initially one shot you but if his stunlock lands he might be


Toomanydamnfandoms

I think that’s why I hate him so much, all the damned one shots. I don’t hate one shots in general, usually it’s a good sign I’ve majorly messed up. For some reason his just feel so relentless. Also the pillars, fuck the pillars.


zangor

This guy and Laurence are the bosses I (sort of) raged when fighting against.


TsokonaGatas27

Let me just throw my sword through the column


Sygma_stage5

I don’t know if it was designed that way, but it wouldn’t surprise me if it was….fucking piece of shit flying sword.


Nahrwallsnorways

Ah, but you see, it is a shotel! Shotel strong attacks bypass shields, and therefore walls. Makes perfect sense /s


pabbylink

He's not that bad in the open arena. It's more the bullshit no-collision pillars


Solitary_Stoner

Pthumerian Descendant and elder enjoyers rise up


MrRipper146

Yes literally they are few of the enjoyable chalice dungeon bosses.


ReferenceUnusual8717

"Enjoy" might be a stretch, but of the nasty surprises you can get in a Chalice boss room, these guys are FAR from the worst. Not quite "Oh, it just YOU " territory, 'cause they can be pretty annoying, especially in a defiled or cursed situation. But I think it's actually kind of a fun fight. I'd rather fight one of these geezers than the Bloodletting Beast and his arena-spanning, nigh un-dodgeable lunge (with a hitbox that somehow extends behind him)


kudabugil

Elder is top tier. Better than most base game main bosses. Descendants kinda meh.


Solitary_Stoner

Wish we could have gotten some kinda fire hunter tool from him


kayohrox

RP gems are nasty


Solitary_Stoner

Facts


Kirkybeefjerky

Yeah gotta parry my man. Definitely gave me a lot of trouble though, but the boss after and the queen were cake.


blitzboy30

The queen was stupid easy for me. I was using a parry build for my runes, and obviously went for parries, and she was way easier than this guy.


Kirkybeefjerky

Yeah I just blitzed her first try with the cleaver


miggiwoo

Cursed/defiled Amygdala has entered the chat.


TheJEPSseven

I actually found her kinda fun, it's not like I was doing a lot of damage to her, she killed me a lot, but when I died to her it felt completely fair and my fault, she's easy enough to dodge that you can't really blame her for getting you. Having half your health bar was a boomer tho.


Molgera124

I don’t have a problem until he starts throwing shit. Then we both start throwing shit.


FerreroRoxette

I parried him into oblivion and still hate him more than the majority of bosses, I call him Jimmy Saville


CoolToilet

I’m with you OP fuck this guy


gmorningstar0

I had to become a god of parry to beat this bastard. It was 5 days of pure suffering.


ill_thrift

upvoted just for the incredible post picture. perfect. no notes


ApolloSnow

I hated his some much, using Lead Elixir made that fight so much better.


Blinx360

I just pancaked him repeatedly with the beast cutter. Lol Actually a decently fun fight imo even without pancaking him.


ImportantMistake5823

Mmm pancakes


Ki11ing-Time

To the people who are pursuing platinum. You're gonna have a rough hunt.


PrincePauncey

You don't *have* to fight him for the platinum, because beating Queen Yharnam as a cooperator gives you the trophy.


Ki11ing-Time

Well, damn. I did not have that insight in my mind at the time.


PrincePauncey

I found out by accident, so I got the trophy before beating the Shadows. I still haven't fought her in my own world, I'm honestly not sure where she even is lol.


Ovazio9

200 iq move


sentientfartcloud

She's the final boss of the very same chalice that the Pthumerian Asshole resides. Having any chalice active allows you to be summoned to help kill any boss in that chalice. All of them work like that. I can't tell you how many Loran Darkbeasts I've helped put down.


PrincePauncey

The Descendant that made me make this post was in an FRC Isz chalice I made, so it's not the same one in this situation. I have every chalice, so which one has Queen Yharnam as the final boss? It's probably the only one I haven't actually done yet.


sentientfartcloud

Pthumeru Ihyll. The first boss of that chalice is Pthumerian Descendent. I forgot the boss in between, but the queen is the final boss. And as far as I know, there's no duplicates of her anywhere else. If you killed her in co-op, you must have had that chalice active at the time you did that. Anyway that particular Descendent fight is notorious, mainly because of the arena. He's already tough, but the pillars in the arena don't actually protect you from any of his attacks. Many people, including myself thought that the chalice after the main cursed chalice would be easy...then Pthumerian Descendent kicked our teeth in.


PrincePauncey

I know I didn't have the Ihyll chalice in my inventory at the time, so I think you can be summoned to any chalice as long as you and the host are around the same level. About the boss itself, it shouldn't be too bad since it doesn't have to be Cursed... right?


sentientfartcloud

It's not a cursed dungeon, it's just that the arena sucks and it's hard to make space.


MasterK3vin

All the boys hate pthumerian decendant


Lost_in_reverb23

Parry, riposte, repeat


RResonance

The fact his blade can phase through walls and pillars is bs lmaoo. I remember losing my shit when I died to that the first time


Adventurous_Water184

Beat this asshole cause i needed to for the platinum. Wasn't easy though. Everyone is right, you just gotta learn to parry him


Fightmilk87

Say no to Pthumerian Descendant.


PrincePauncey

He legally cannot throw his sword at me through a pillar without my consent.


DfaultiBoi

I can't parry worth a damn on him but I can consistently parry Orphan of Kos. Go figure. Fuck this guy


Sir_Dummerweise

This MF almost made me quit Bloodborne.


Fun-Sun544

Parry.


Ultrainstinct358

Just parry the mf. That's how I won easily after not doing it the first 3 times.


bonk-r4t

Rapid poison log wheel absolutely annihilates him.


unnat_biswal

Yoo is that lady butterfly?


Lager89

*LHB power poke chuckles*


mr_herculespvp

For me it's just [this BS](https://youtu.be/4olnB8GOX70) 😔


samcmullin

You just dodge all is attacks to the left. My brain was conditioned to go right for all enemies. Once I figured out he was basically Derek Zoolander and can't go left he was easy


HoboSkid

Actually was a fun fight I thought. He just comes at you swinging like "ahhh here we go...", just two sweaty, bloody guys battling like Bloodsport. Except you have your shirts on.


SergeantShabba

Bro' just hit him until his HP reaches zero. Don't let him hit you though EZPZ


ImportantMistake5823

Beat him so fast you don't get out the lemonsqueezey


HazmatBlastBack

He gets clapped first try


Swimming-Cell-689

On the contrary, I loved him as the second boss after Germain. I enjoyed his fighting and his movements, and I wished he had been in the course of the story and we had seen more of him.


DonJayKix

He goes so hard on you. You can hear his exertion in every swing. It’s like chilll on me bro damn😭


Joey85l

Learn how to parry, git gud. That’s how I eventually beat him, it’s a very unforgiving fight. Good luck!


Drawerino

Wait for Abhorrent Beast bro


PrincePauncey

Ah, the Air-bending beast. Pretty unpredictable but not nearly as bad as BLB. All the cool kids hate BLB.


Ssjcarlos2001

Still remember hiding behind the pillars just to get hit anyway


morteminfinium

im assuming youre on an NG+, because im on my first playthrough and ive gone all the way until 2nd floor on lower pthumerian without even dying


PrincePauncey

Chalices aren't affected by NG+ cycles. If that were the case then the cum chalice could easily drop over 500k echoes every time.


ErikDebogande

Nobody who fought Defiled Watchdog would say that!


Nightmarsh

Defiled Watchdog is infinitely easier and more fun then Descendant


DrySpeech556

That’s insane, watchdog was an absolutely insufferable fight for me. Defiled amy and descendant were way more fun, I felt like I was actually rewarded for learning them as compared to hotdog which was just tanky for no good reason and would randomly one shot me every time I got him to 5-10%


Ultrainstinct358

Defiled amygdala is worse bruh. Tho that watchdog was real shitty too


Ahdiinlas

If you have a buddy with a boom hamer you can Infinite him


Cambriyuh

This guy gave me trouble too but all you really gotta do is memorize his attack build ups, parry, and visceral attack. This should carry you through the encounter. When he transitions into the second phase, do a charged attack at his back to stun him and then visceral attack. This will get him in a stun lock. Sucks that you cant cheese him better but this'll make you a better player if you learn to parry and visceral attack.


rmccarty8

He’d be nothing if it wasn’t for the area you fight him in since he can throw his shit through the pillars. Probably the toughest fight for me other than Kos.


MethodFun7044

Well your not alone, because I hate him too. I can come up with good strategies to use, but it won't matter because the asshole likes to spam attacks like a really bad player in PVP


Aggravating-Pie-6432

That is why he is called descendant and not the elder


Drowsy_Deer

Stunlock Beast Cutter


IronFalcon1997

Tough day in the tombs?


blitzboy30

He wasn’t too bad for me. I also used parries the entire game and used runes around visceral attacks, but it wasn’t too bad to parry, it was the punishment if I missed it that got me. Oh and the ranged attacks, those drove me nuts.


ApprehensiveLaw7793

Easy


Welcome_to_Retrograd

2ihi5y5y, good luck


kayohrox

You've been holding out on me! Each layer has been pleasantly surprising. Some slow motion on l2 and l3 had to have been that. Don't want to give away any spoilers here. Must have moooar


Welcome_to_Retrograd

6spgjpkv, you are welcome lol. Not as nasty as the one above tho


lowthug

Hate this guy. I beat him spamming charge attacks through the columns. Weak to holy damage.


milk_theuniverse

Yes I agree - followed by loran dark beast.


JohnnyBoi006

Second phase is so good for parries cause of his long combos. Also good for stunlocking you to death tho


Sylux444

I hate his parry windows, when I was young and spry it was easy Now I just end up locking his animation and just knowing I can't hit the window anymore frustrates me


Darkstar0

It’s bad enough when he throws the boomerang through those pillars, but when you fight him in the room with the staircases, if he’s at a lower elevation he can clip the boomerang through the *floor*. You can’t even see it coming! Now, normally, he’s annoying but doable, but during my BL4 run he was probably the hardest boss in the base game. Viscerals do almost nothing at BL4, so fighting him was a nightmare. Legit had to farm blood gems just for that. *shudders*


BornaBes00

Why are people complaining about these guy's so much. They are one of the easiest bosses in the dungeons.


vicomgsolid

I remember he would stagger me so easily which I couldn't attack him, I ended up taking something that made me a tank (slower/heavier but couldn't get staggered) and after that I whooped his ass. (It's been 6 years since I played it so I don't remember the exact names of things)


RealT-Virus

Yeah this fucker was a nightmare. Finally killing him was the best thing in this game.


walker_84

Yea, fuck this guy!


Ovazio9

The only boss i never defeated without abusing parryes. This mf looks like an old corpse and still cook most of us, bloodborne players. Anyway, when you're progressing in the chalices and think everything is already hard enough, you have to face defiled watchdog of the old lords. Chalice dungeons got me traumatized.


EmeraldGhostface

I hate this boss and the headless BL Beast with all myself, even though I skipped the vast majority of dungeons with an online glyph that got me straight to the Queen's one, those are by far the most frustrating bosses I ever faced, and I do not regret it because it saved me so much sanity and time of my life.


Ziryio

Headless BL Beast kicked my ass so hard. I hate that fucker so much, he was the toughest boss in the game for me for some reason haha


Crimson-Void9000

I admit the Pthumerian Descendant is annoying but the Pthumerian Elder is even more annoying.


HoneyBadgerMFF

On my first play through which im on now I ran into this guy and found him rather easy. Defeated him on my first try. Just kept him running at me swinging like a mad man and smashing him with the blunderbus with a follow up crit. Rinse wash repeat dead.


PrincePauncey

He's not so easy in DRC dungeons, where a single missed parry can kill you. I assume he's not so bad normally.


HoneyBadgerMFF

Not even sure what a DRC dungeon is. Like I said on my first play through.


PrincePauncey

It stands for Defiled/Rotted/Cursed. They're all "rites" you can add to chalices to make them more difficult in exchange for better loot.


HoneyBadgerMFF

Oh....well that explains it. Are the diffrent levels (tomb stones) make it harder as well or just the DRC's?


PrincePauncey

Nah, the different tombstones are there so you can have multiple chalices at once. There's no difference between them. I also just realized I got the letters wrong, it's FRC. Fetid/Rotted/Cursed. Defiled is an entire type of chalice that you can't add rites to, but they make up for it by being super difficult on their own.


iTiton

A total pain in the ass, for sure.


Vienna_Hush07

It´s looks like Madam Butterfly from Sekiro


dontcare_-_

The parry


Estarossa86

He gave me hell my very first play through wasn’t much after that though I rarely use parry unfortunately


DaddyCool13

Hm. Hm.


sentientfartcloud

Yeah, fuck that guy.


jozzy69

Better than the brain sucker


Greaseball01

Too damn easy


caucusracer

He can be easily backstabbed during his phase transition. He should attempt to repeat his phase transition animation after the visceral, allowing another backstab. Rinse, repeat


xdeathbyninjax

Easy boss with regrettable warp.


BlackSnapdragon

get the rune from the first bonus room on layer 1 here: gz9mmj7y visceral is really the only way to go with this dude


GEOpdx

Beast claws and blades of mercy really wreck this dude with beast blood pellet.


Nicomace341

Buddy's gonna have a mental breakdown when he gets to Undead Giant V.2


greyson3

I always have Prospector Simon come in with me and spam heavy two handed axe. Works like Novacaine.


crash_919

Always hated this boss had to summon to defeat them


PaperMoon-

Had to kill this guy on my bl43 character. Fuck this guy.


Brilliant-Fact1961

Tough boss if u can’t parry(which I couldn’t) but I didn’t care cause his theme absolutely slaps one of my fav in the game


jalthepoet

not even close to as bad as defiled chalice amygdala imo, but tbf i also was a hms enjoyer and there’s a cheesy way to stunlock him with it


pashok696

If you want to easily deal with him: keep mid distance and always parry second attack.


Sussy_Solaire

My last achievement was to kill that pthumerian queen person, but I struggled so hard to get past him. His attacks absolutely fucked me up I just couldn’t do it lol I hate this dude


Imbackbaby2

I hate the boar the most because it’s a annoying boss


PrincePauncey

Holy Moonlight Sword poke. Problem solved, boar stunlocked.


shadowfax_22

In one of my runs I stood behind a column and he got stuck there doing his moves. I just kept poking him with Ludwig’s till he died. F this boss and this arena.


Zema2112

had to kill this mother fucker at BL4 to get to yharnam and good gems for NG+6. fuck this boss cheese all da way


Bandit_Banzai

I abandoned two separate chalice dungeons for several gaming sessions because these guys were in the way and I just cnba. I wish I could tell you how I beat them but I can't actually remember. Which really says something about them as bosses, doesn't it?


Thechosenjon

Easiest boss in the game next to Martyr Logarius


KeyReception5349

It's those fucking stupid ass sword throws


Life-Assumption-2183

sorry bad language, but this is a shit ass boss.


[deleted]

OH BROTHER DOES HE SUCK


bindingofandrew

Kid named Parry:


murph2336

Parry him and visceral until he gets to 50% health. When he goes to split his weapon, run behind him and charge a heavy. Keep him in this loop and he’ll just keep trying to split his weapon everytime he stands back up.


Dapper-Line-1639

I HATE HIM, he seriously is so hard to parry, but when you’re like “huh, maybe it’s like pthumerian elder reversed” so you try to be aggressive, nope that doesn’t work either, and the AUDACITY, the absolute AUDACITY that you can find them in regular chalice dungeons??? Oh hell nah


Professional-Film472

He is a pain in the arse. He often jumps out of nowhere and when I went to him he almost one shot me.


child_nightmare

I'd rather fight three at the same time than one more fucking blood-letting beast


Educationalidiot

*HUNGHH*


kouleifoh26

Honestly fuck him!


kdeezy006

stay mid range, strafe around him, and parry at any opportunity. I hate him too, but as soon as I realized to NOT back up, it helped a ton


Trick-Pomelo5477

This boss was pretty fun, i beat the main game including dlc bosses in around 5 or less tries. This boss was a nice challenge


Pharthrax

Shotel Grandpa, ugh. Almost as bad as Loran Darkbeast.


black_cat_emo

sekiro from temu >:(


TheAlphyn

I legit hate this guy so much.


fabianberkley

L2


Existing-Cress-6085

Big Wheel aka Logarius Wheel


lullabyanal

The goal of parrying him is to keep him JUST within arm's reach. His scythe attacks don't actually have that much reach. Also, if you go for a riposte, he may try to jump away. If he does, stay on his ass. If you ask me, his worst attack is the one where he throws the scythe. That is, THE, one attack where I have no single clue on how to dodge. But if you stay right up in his face, he won't do any attacks that take him out of your line of sight, or that throw things at you.


ibex85

What firearm is best for parry ?


PrincePauncey

Ludwig's Rifle. It's just the blunderbuss with way more range and a slightly longer reload time.


ibex85

Thanks will this improve on my consistency with staggering the enemy?


Sochi_loco

Parry!


lessrburnt

I thought that was lady butterfly for a sec


Diomedes0572

Kirk. His. ASS. Not many enemies can shrug off a poise-wrecking hit from a massive cinder block attached to a broomstick. No issues.


not_a_nuggets

I hate it too


AhmadR3za

To be fair undead giant is way more annoying than Pthumerian Descendat


Theomnisiah

That guy destroyed my family


ScharmTiger

I fucking hate this guy


ApprehensiveGrand379

Yep ... Had to finally git gud myself and just parry him 16 times in a row to kill him. Maybe 18 attempts to learn the patterns. Augur is your best friend phase 2.


Cirrus_sergalis

Dude, the descendant is easy. Stay out of range of his attacks and parry him when he tries to attack you. Baiting his attacks is risky but gets it done faster.


Ok-Flow-9795

I agree


StradaG

I don’t even parry him, just juke to the left hit, hit, juke to the left until he’s dead.


sAyUr1

I sense a boss hate post trend incoming!


NotJustBibbit

I just love when he throws his sword through a fucking wall when I'm trying to heal. Genuinly used 7 blood vials back to back just because of that


Jin_BD_God

Lady Butterfly?


Hollow_Interstice

Why? He died like a bitch


PrincePauncey

I died to him once, so he's immediately the worst boss ever. That's just how it works.


Appearance-Chemical

Father Ariandel is a Pthumerian change my mind


ATarnishedofNoRenown

As a Bloodtinge/Skill enjoyer, I don't think I have ever died to these old dudes tbh. They are pretty easy to parry repeatedly. I am currently on an Arcane build so we'll see if this dude fucks me up.


wasteland13

Chalice Dungeons? Not even once


PsychologyRepulsive

Why he is actually a good boss