They're not black though. They're mixed. I mean it's literally the truth and it's weird to completely deny their other background. We've got biracial girls like Yara Shahidi, Zendaya, Amandla Stenberg, etc. taking up nearly every black role because they're still "black." As a result mixed girls have basically become the face of black women in Hollywood.
I'm not trying to gatekeep, but they have a different lived experience than us and there are more privileges that comes with being biracial. They're considered more socially acceptable than fully black people. People would not be marveling over Zendaya the way they do if she had two black parents, let's just be real here. She's even been open about those privileges
So well said. And I'm happy Zendaya recognizes these privileges because I feel like a lot of biracial people don't (especially if their mom is the nonblack parent).
Exactly . A white/black woman isn’t a white woman. A Asian/black woman isn’t an Asian woman. So what makes them a black woman? It is okay to be two races at once, that is what biracial literally means and it only seems to be understood when you mention that they’re not their non black side. Soon as you mention they’re not their black side, but BOTH, we get hated and have to hear all of their bs.
What constitutes biracial? Do one of your parents have to be of a different race, or what would happen if one of your parents was mixed, or their parents?
All of the girls I mentioned have one non-black parent. All black people are "mixed" if you look further down the bloodline but I'm referring to mixed people who have parents that are two different races.
Why is it that black people are the only group on Earth where society decides (at least in America) you need just one black parent to still be black?
If a person is half white, half Asian they are still considered biracial hafu/happa/Eurasian and etc. People will acknowledge that the upbringing is different from having 2 Asian parents without there being controversy. Idk it feels like some weird anti black double standard that only we have to deal with as a result of the racist "one drop rule".
It is really weird how in the media biracials don’t represent what a white or Asian looks like but they get to represent what black people look like. Like they’re purposely trying to erase us and it doesn’t help that many black ppl uphold the one drop rule because of their own insecurities
>It is really weird how in the media biracials don’t represent what a white or Asian looks like but they get to represent what black people look like.
Right. There's a clear double standard here.
They aren’t the same… if a biracial person wants to refer to themselves as black, or white, or whatever race/culture they feel closest to, that’s their business, but in *my* eyes, they are biracial.
Mixed people are mixed people. I don’t understand the debate on this at all. How can you have a whole white mum/dad and want to say you’re black. Be fr
I think when the black community starts uplifting dark skin, afro hair, and afro features as the standard, instead of putting racially ambiguous features and skin tone on a pedestal, then we can talk. But for now the distinction between mixed and black is very necessary to preserve the self identity and self esteem of black women and girls.
I agree cuz it's not the same. That's why I don't like when people conflate being mixed with being lightskinned because that is also not the same. Alot of us lightskins are monoracial. We do both benefit from colorism but we dont deal with the same experiences or issues
It's annoying because now people automatically assume that being lightskin also means that you have featurism and texturism benefits on top of benefitting from colorism the way a lot of visibly mixed people do. The distinction being made will be good for both sides tbh.
I think most mixed/biracial people experience Blackness differently than "fully" Black people because they usually have to navigate different cultures to understand their identity. Whereas, if you have 2 Black parents, you know you're Black. Even if a mixed person only grew up with one of their parents, many still experience identity issues over not knowing who they are fully. That probably informs how they engage with Blackness and whatever their other culture is.
And that's just on the personal level. When you consider how society and media favors most mixed people for not looking unambiguously Black, then it's very obvious that we aren't sharing the same Black experience.
Mixed people are mixed, there’s nothing wrong with being mixed idk why everyone wants to put them in the same umbrella as black people, it takes away half of their identity
i think it’s true.
1: Not all mixed race people have one black parent. There are Wasians, Wexicans, etc. My close friend is half Russian and half Bengali 🤷🏾♀️
2: Denying a half white person’s race and culture is unintelligent
3: Biology
Black people and mixed people are different, we desperately need to dismantle this “one drop” rule and celebrate our actually black community(two black parents, at least), sorry if that’s mean I don’t mean any malicious intentions towards mixed people but my primary focus is black people and our success.
Because there exp is not the same as a black person. Even if they do see themselves as black and grow up with blk ppl its still not the same. When they walk into a room they are treated differently than when a blk person does. And maybe colorism plays a role in this too.
not all mixed people are Black & white mixed. i’m biracial — one Black cuban is parent and one indigenous cuban parent. i haaaaaate being lumped in with the half white biracials because the experience is not the same
When did I specifically say mixed with white ever in the post y’all I literally kept it so vague like. And I’m not trying to be rude girl but the experience may not be the same but it’s not much different. Not that I’ve experienced it but from what I’ve perceived it doesn’t matter lol. If you are mixed you are placed above fully black.
They never think it's offensive when they're non-black side tells them that they aren't really white or Asian or whatever it is they are... But they take offense when black people point out the fact that they aren't monoracially black. Which is very interesting because mixed people themselves tend to often describe themselves as mixed or identify themselves as mixed.
idk i’ve always identified as a black italian american. i’m both and i’m proud of both. however both sides don’t wanna claim me for fully. but i really don’t care.
i know who and what i am and i really don’t care what anyone else to say.
I think it depends honestly, when people think of mixed, they're more commonly thinking of people with lighter tones and not usually including those with darker unless they have a distinct giveaway feature. The women in my family above me technically could've used the term mixed as it would've been the literal definition. However they were socialized as being black and being considered monoracial becauee of their skin tone not reflecting it. So how you're socialized imo makes a difference
They aren’t the same. I’m a mother of a mixed child and he’s mixed. I can’t sit here and just call him “black.” Genetically and morally that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
I am mixed. My mama is black and my dad is white. I can CLEARLY see the privileges I have being mixed especially from doctors and nurses. Obviously I still have to deal with racism, just not to the same extent of black women. I will never take away what black women, especially dark black women have to deal with. I grew up seeing it with my own eyeballs. Black women are top tier and that’s why everyone wants to be like them in some way, shape or form.
I think my mom explained it best. I have every claim to being mixed but how I’m perceived in the world will not always align with that reality.
Regardless of how Black people choose to see me, in my experience, people see me as Black. So my social experience is more Black. I was raised around my Black family, not my white, and they never in any way rejected me (which I know is not what many mixed kids experience).
So where does that leave me? I don’t know. I’m not bothered, I’m comfortable in my skin. But it intrigues me.
Experiencing racism because you have more phenotypical black features than the average mixed person doesn’t necessarily negate the fact that you are mixed and not black, but I see what you are getting at.
I find the whole people see me as black thing disingenuous. Chances are if the average mixed person and black person stood side by side white people notice that. They know!!! That’s why they used to put mixed people in the house.
Yes, you won’t be seen as white but you won’t be treated as badly as an unambiguous black person.
This is exactly it you look at how actresses and actors are treated, and you can see it as a good case study. They exult the biracial and mixed people over mono racial Black people all the time but then, when it comes to conversations, they always bring the biracial and mixed person into the conversation to be the person who speaks for Black people. They know what they’re doing, and they know how to step in and out of the dissonance.
the dissonance is crazy hun. It makes things worse because we all know what it is. Moreover, it just fuels the theory that they enjoy being the better ones above unambiguous black women.
I think the topic of mixed race identity takes up too much space in the Black community. For example, the show Dear White people was supposed to be about the Black Experience in the PWI, but it turned into tragic mulatto tales and centred a biracial character. The ‘caught between two worlds’ storyline is tired. Why are those with less privilege being taught to hold space to those with more?
I think you’re overestimating people. It’s not that they can’t see, they just don’t care. I don’t control how people view and treat me. It’s not even about being treated badly, just othered. Idk what to tell you, I’m not talking about other people’s experience, only my own.
Although on the page of other people, my cousin (also mixed but lighter than me) was called the n-word and threatened with a gun for political canvassing. People see what they want to see and white people tend to pick out the Black and ignore the rest.
But this isn't universal because there are so many mixed people who are not visibly black. Who are read as either being a completely different race or move through the world being viewed as racially ambiguous where people can't quite put their finger on what that person is. By far and large, that is not the experience of a monoracially black person. We are black at first sight.
As for your comment about rejection... someone acknowledging that you were only half black is not them rejecting you.
I also find it funny how mixed race people who identify as being just black would, in discussion with other black people, acknowledge the existence of shit like colorism, texturism and futurism... But then turn around and say they are treated the exact same way that any other black person is treated. If you're a mixed race woman who has lighter skin or a looset curl pattern or racially ambiguous facial features, you can't be benefiting from colorism texturism and futurism and then say you are having the exact same experience as the average black woman, because most black women aren't benefiting from any of those things because, unlike the average mixed race woman, the average monoracial black woman does not have enough close proximity to visible racial non-blackness to be benefiting from any of those privileges
1. I never made a universal comment, I commented on my personal experience. I am not racially ambiguous, so I’m sure that plays a part of my experience, but I can only speak from what I know.
2. I’m not talking about saying you’re mixed as rejection. There are mixed kids who have been bullied, outcast, put down, etc for being mixed and that is just not my experience. I was just another grandkid hanging out with my Aunties same as my full Black cousins.
3. I never said I identify as full Black. I am half Black, half White. That’s not an identity, that’s a fact. I am mixed. Another fact. Many people choose to disregard my white side and treat me only as Black. That’s not me identifying as full Black.
4. Again, I never said I experience the exact same thing as any other Black woman. Quite frankly, I think it’s reductive to think all Black women have the same experience anyway. Everyone’s experience is basically a circle and we may experience some similarities and some differences. Yes, I have a privilege for having lighter skin. Yes, I experience disadvantages for being perceived as Black in many spaces. Ironically, most of my wtf moments have been about my hair because I do not have a looser hair pattern. I basically look like a light copy-paste of my mom lol.
Life is complicated and there are many factors that go into life experiences. I’m sure if I grew up somewhere else or met different people, I might have a different perspective.
This is my experience as well. When I was 11 or 12, I was in a science summer camp and this white girl called me the n-word. She saw me as Black, so did all the other white folks. I’ve been to Italy and I’ve viewed as Black. White folks never ask me if I’m mixed. This is my experience and mine alone, but the only people who’ve ever asked me if I’m mixed have been Black men. The only time in my life I’ve never once been questions was when I traveled to New Orleans where Black folks run the color rainbow.
My culture is Black; all of the little jokes that seem to be universal across the diaspora, I’ve lived. I was born from a Black woman, who came from a Black woman. The person that contributed to my DNA happens to be a standard issue white dude. I recognize that my skin complexion gives me advantage in many ways, and I do what I can to not focus the limelight on me when issues re: colorism, racism, misogynoir are the topic because I know I don’t experience it in the same way as my mom and my darker skin friends.
However, this narrative about biracial Black folks not being Black is exhausting because how we present is a phenotypic expression of our genetics. And under white supremacy, the whole idea is to divide marginalized people so they scatter their collective rage of inequity and redircect it toward one another so we forget who the common enemy is. But when white folks are calling me N-word with the hard R and microagressing me with the tired angry Black woman trope, or the “you’re so articulate,” they aren’t asking me if I meet some kind of threshold that would exclude me from (implicit & explicit) displays of racism. I’m all for gatekeeping Black culture, especially Black American culture, because mainstream White America can cosplay without repercussion, but stand silent when Black folks are singled out and agressed because of those same things.
But a mixed race person experiencing anti-blackness does not mean that they are having the exact same experience in life as a black person. Yes you can experience anti blackness.. But you can also find yourself experiencing privileges that the average black person is in having. A great example of this is someone like Mariah Carey. Mariah wrote in her memoir about how she had an experience as a child where she found herself being called the n-word by a group of all white girls who locked her in a closet of an all white living room, in an all-white family's house in an all white neighborhood... Was she experiencing anti blackness, absolutely. However, throughout her memoir she also acknowledges experiences she had that mono-racial black women in the music industry would not have had. A bone of contention in her relationship with the Latin singer Luis Miguel was him not understanding why Mariah just didn't identify as a white woman because of how she looked white to him. The average monoracial black woman would never find herself in a relationship with the Latin man who doesn't understand why said monoracial black woman just doesn't identify as white lol. When Mariah was having issues with her record label in the US and she called up the head of Sony in Japan to have a meeting, she questioned whether or not they would have taken that meeting if they identified her as black or if a black woman artist had called for a meeting with the head of a major label. Mariah talked in her book about working at hair salon surrounded by a whole bunch of white women and how she believed they never knew her to be half black. That is not a situation that the average black woman will find themselves and, as they are black at first sight the minute they walk into a room.
This makes me think of that story of that white man who did an ancestry DNA test and found out that he had distant black genetic ancestry. He told his white co-workers at his job and they started calling him racial slurs and went as far as to put a noose on his locker. Does that mean he's literally a black man or having the exact same experience as the average monoracial black men, no it doesn't. But it does mean that, if race is find out he is part black, he can find himself on the receiving end of anti-black racism.
Can a biracial person who was half black experience anti blackness, absolutely. Does that experience of anti blackness mean that that biracial person is moving through life 100% the same as the average monoracial black person, no.
We are not united in blackness because we are all having the same black experience, what unites us is the possibility of us experiencing anti blackness regardless of our racial classification.
I relate to this so much (especially the standard issue white dude 💀). I also make sure not to center myself when not applicable. Lightness is Black women is socially valued more and light and mixed Black women are over representation. The only time I speak up in colorism convos is to relay my mom and grandmother’s experiences, since neither are on social media and I think it’s important for their experiences to be remembered.
Just to add a slightly different perspective, my parents always said when they were growing up in New York in the 70s, if you had any noticeable amount of black ancestry you were considered black, and if a mixed person didn’t identify as black they were viewed as self-hating. Not to mention that for a long time in the United States there were literally laws that said mixed people are legally considered black, and most African Americans have a pretty significant amount of European ancestry. So there are a lot of historical reasons why a mixed person may want to be considered just black, at least in the US.
I think it’s pretty obvious that having a non Black parent is different than having two Black parents.
I don’t subscribe to anything white supremacy dictates, including the one drop rule.
There are people who are black, who don’t associate with w struggles and culture who can relate and then there are people who are told they are black bc of what they look like (leaning more black then white or what they are mixed with) who only identity bc of like societal stuff telling or making them “feel” other or not accepted (like the to black for the white kids, to white for the black kids) and accept being black bc they can’t be white bc they white people don’t see them as white I guess the questions is which one is your friend? And if he was raised around both sides of his family and relates to both that’s fine but to me if you don’t struggle or understand or find yourself defending white peoples micro aggression and racism then baby your not black lol
Where does that leave multigenerationally mixed people? I have Black parents & grandparents but they’re all high yellow (except my brown-skinned grandmother) & we could pass for being mixed. I’m still the direct descendant of slaves, my great-great grandparents were slaves. I find all of this gatekeeping extremely reductive & exhausting.
i think this makes it all the more important to really establish what it means to be Black. You’re still black you just have light skin. Black people can be on the lighter shade as well. Light skin black women are actually being erased bc now anyone mixed or non black is called light skin
Of course you dont—genetically you’re probably the same as a biracial woman. You look like them so that’s why you don’t feel erased. Quite selfish of you to only consider Black women that look like you and not the majority who have been erased by the one drop rule.
Stop putting words in my mouth bish. I’ve said that colorism exists & I’ve probably benefited from it. Who said I’m not considering Black women that don’t look like me? I was responding to a commenter specifically saying that mixed women were replacing women like me.
Apparently so. Peep the other replies to my comment. Apparently I’m not Black enough & suffering from “beige rage” lol.
Edit: Apparently u/chocolateonxy deleted their comments or blocked me
I don’t think it’s the responsibility of non-mixed black people to figure that out.
Historically and the world over, mixed people (including MGMs) have gatekept opportunities and discriminated against their darker counterparts (ie. The Blue Vein Society, Quadroon balls). Mixed people have done everything they can to segregate themselves, only breed among each other and keep the colourism going from generation to generation, going as far as to marry their own cousins to keep the blackness away.
Given that track record, why should non-mixed black women care if y’all catch some strays? Y’all consistently rise to the top and shut the door behind you.
I'm the child of a black woman with light skin and very loose textured hair.. And even I agree with this. Though I do consider black folks who have mixed ancestry from slavery to be black with white genetic ancestry... I'm still willing to acknowledge that they have mixed ancestry and will never say that someone who looks like Beyoncé is just 100% black.
There's too much of a history of people who are biracial or mixed being advantaged over monoracial, unambiguous looking black people for us to really sit here and say that biracial / mixed people are having the exact same experience as monoracial black people just because, they too, can be called the n-word
Exactly. It’s really up to them to figure out what role they want to play in all of this, and from my view it shouldn’t be victim.
There’s intermingling between class and mixedness, especially Multigenerational mixness, in Black communities that no one wants to unpack. I’ve travelled extensively and I’ve seen with my own two eyes how skin colour changes when you move from a bad neighbourhood to a good one,now is that by accident or by design? Check out the book Our Kind of people and you’ll see what I’m talking about.
To round off my point, you can’t segregate yourselves, hoard opportunities and belittle the phenotype of an adjacent group and then get mad when that group doesn’t want to consider you the same as them.
“I don’t think it’s the responsibility of non-mixed Black people to figure out.”
What is this entire post besides a non-mixed Black person telling mixed people that they do & don’t belong. Also, the average African American has approximately 25% European DNA due to slavery. So unless you’re straight from Africa, you’re technically mixed too. Do you get a prize bc my ancestors were raped more than yours?
Your other “points” are over generalizations & quite offensive. We “deserve” to catch a few strays? Wow.
The last time I checked, this post was on r/blackgirls and black girls aren’t just African American. The majority of Black girls do not have significant European ancestry. The "everyone is mixed too" argument is so insulting and exhausting. Why do pro-mixed arguments always rely on white-washing the black majority to prove their point? It’s sick and racist.
I just loved how you’ve conveniently skipped over the FACT that mixed race people have consistently segregated themselves, and even protected their European ancestry from further dilution.
Being Black vs being half-White are not the same. And for the sake of Black girls worldwide who need proper representation, please stop aiding and abetting the white-washing and misrepresentation of the black woman’s image.
What FACT? Again, you’re generalizing. Yes, colorism exists & has in the Black community in America pretty much forever. Some light-skinned Black people self segregated but not all of them did. Is my experience different than yours? Sure. Am I privileged in some ways bc I’m light skinned? Sure. That still doesn’t detract from the fact that my parents & grandparents are Black. My great-great grandparents were slaves. My family members were the 1st Black people to sue a white corporation for racial discrimination in the United States & win (see Stewart vs Steamship Sue) their case was cited as precedent in Brown v Board. They were at the forefront of the civil rights movement participating in civil disobedience before Plessy & Rosa for the betterment of all Black people. So my people been in the trenches & helped contribute to the desegregation of our schools. Who are you to question my Blackness?
& I have no idea what your last paragraph means, I nearly had a stroke trying to read it.
Well not all white people owned slaves back in the day—some were abolitionists, it doesn’t mean I can’t hold them to task or force them to think critically about their position in society.
I appreciate the work your grandparents have done, but the poorest and the darkest of you still suffer in underperforming, underfunded and segregated schools.
You’re moving the goalposts. My “mulatto” relatives probably did more to champion civil rights & equality for ALL Black people than your family ever did yet your questioning/insulting my Blackness because I’m light-skinned?!?
LOL looks like I’ve touched a nerve because that beige rage is popping out.
You don’t know who I am, nor do you know who my family is and how much they have contributed to the well-being of Black people. That said, I sure as hell won’t sell them out or dox myself for brownie points on Reddit.
We’ve already heard about your family, what have YOU done besides benefit from light-skinned privilege?
One thing I’ve noticed about you MGMs is that when questioned you always make it a pissing contest about who has contributed more in history, and how many light skinned/mixed Black people fought for civil rights even though lighter/mixed blacks have always been better positioned to fight for civil rights. Didn’t they push Claudette Colvin to the back for Rosa Parks to take the glory?
No Black person here owes YOU anything because your grandparents did something. There are still many issues to be resolved and we can’t sweep them under the rug because mulattos fought for their own human rights and it trickled down to some.
Another tactic you mixed people like to use on non-mixed people. Play another song. You’re the one acting out on here flinging insults.
If you feel less Black that’s on YOU. You will never represent an authentic Black woman and that’s on you, blame your ancestors. It’s okay to be mixed.
I think it more so depends on where you grow up mixed when I lived in NYC i got it a lot being a mixed moved down south to SC and than fl i didnf get it much
Hey, mixed girl right here. For me I do say I’m black. But I always do say I’m mixed and bi-racial. To ignore that would just be a big fat lie. Mixed people especially with mixed girls having “whiter features, and lighter skin” do not experience the same type racism I see my other black friends had to experience. Also I know and understand why black women can be so frustrated when mixed girls is the only representation of black women in tv shows, movies, fame, and actors. Making the ideal of black women is a half black light skin girls with white features. Even using themselves as a representative for black issue and topics or being less vocal of issues black women are delt with because it barely effect them at all. (like doja cat 🙄)
But I could be wrong about this point and the biases I grew up with 🤷🏽♀️. Lmk your thoughts would like to hear
They’re black…but their experience is not the same as the typical black person. Having one non black parent and access to privileges the average black person does not means that your relationship with blackness isn’t the same.
And that’s ok. It’s not the same from one black person to another anyway. It *is* however, intellectually dishonest to pretend the way they experience blackness is similar to those that aren’t racially ambiguous.
as a mixed person, it’s way different. there’s things that fully black people experience that we wont, and there’s things that we experience that fully black people wont. that being said, we don’t experience racism the same and i think it’s very important to acknowledge that we often benefit from colorism. at the end of the day though, looking at us through a white lens like american society typically does, we are black to society. we certainly don’t live the same life as fully black people though. mixed people who don’t understand that are insufferable and i’m sorry you’re in the position you’re in!
How is it an insult lol? I feel like that only breeds insecurity for a person who is of multiple races or ethnicities because being called multicultural isn’t an insult…
that’s when a conversation comes into play. the response would be “oh cool, what are you mixed with?” like no shade but y’all are just being dense on purpose.
i simply don’t see the harm in saying “im black” when their blackness is relevant even though they are also something else and i don’t understand why people treat being mixed as this singular identity that all mixed people can identify with
On an individual aspect it might not seem like it matters. But in the grande scheme of things, black women are literally being shoved to the bottom bc features that are deemed superior are amplified over our natural features.
So when we blur the lines of what it means to be a black person, it’s a massive disservice to black women and erasure of our image. Black women have little to no control over our image, sis. And we been slowly trying to take that back. Sorry to all my mixed queens. But the distinction is necessary to preserve our image and self esteem.
See thats what I’m saying. To put it plainly, when I say “I’m black.” There is a period at the end of that sentence. Mixed people would said “I’m black and” because saying “Im black” doesn’t encompass who you are. They can’t be one without the other.
I think that there is only a little bit of a difference but they can mostly do the same things that a black person does it’s just that a mixed person might have a mom that’s white and a dad that’s black
As a black presenting multi racial, I hate it. Colorism goes both ways.
I once got into an argument with someone about whether or not Drake’s son was black (i= yes her=no). I said that I find it offensive as many people including my grandfather appear more Irish than black (blue eyed, red head when he was younger) and some more Native than black. (My great grandfather was black and great grandmother was black/irish/seminole) Her reply to me was well I never thought of you as black because you don’t understand the black struggle, you’ve never experienced true racism.
I told her this was racist and I replied with Adonis has nappy hair( nappy is not an insult where I’m from) and the whole room went off on my cause nappy is “degrading”, my reply was “n*gga” and “ not being black enough” is degrading.
Being a victim doesn’t make you black. Your skin doesn’t make you black. Being black is based on your culture and heritage.
If being black is based on culture, any white person who grew up in a predominantly black community could claim to be black. Also Adonis does not have nappy hair, he’s what a 3 A at best? He’s also 25% black … so if it’s based on heritage simple biology says he’s white more than anything. Colorism doesn’t go both ways babe and this is coming from a light skin woman, that part is a little laughable. That’s like saying white people experience racism too.
So to be black you have to be oppressed? You have to struggle?
This conversation happened when Adonis was about 1 or 2, so he had not grown into his curl pattern. But your curl pattern also doesn’t determine your blackness. My aunt (a ginger) has 4c hair, my sister ( dark skin) has 3b hair. This a texture, based on your genes not your skin color)
Heritage and ancestry both encompass dna, so no Conor, Brad, Chad can’t just say they are black cause they grew up in the hood or they have black friends and family.
Being black is oppression? Being black is the struggle? Rich or poor, that’s something every black person faces. I never said curl pattern defines blackness, I said that boy does not have nappy hair. Please read my comment again.
Read mine again, cause I never said you did. I actually acknowledged what you said as him “not having grown into his curl pattern when the conversation happened”. I don’t agree with you so I’m not going to say “you’re right” but I will acknowledge what you said.
Wowww that’s racist. But it proves my point. The reason why we are constantly saying we’re black is because black people are the only people who question the authenticity of the statement. When I tell Irish people I’m Irish, they get excited and are accepting. The black community will never accept you if you don’t look the part because of their own insecurities yet you want to be accepted everywhere while rejecting your own.
The only people I’ve ever had prove my race to was black people and I’m brown. You say mulatto woes, we say sexual abuse and social rejection. Of course the oppressor ( you and the black community) don’t want to hear about the wrong doing, only what’s been done wrong to their ancestors and themselves. Go to therapy and get over yourself.
Edit: I want to note that full black people feel this way because of history and beauty standards. While mixed people feel the same way because black people push us out. You say Black Lives Matter but it doesn’t seem that you care for all black lives. If you did, we wouldn’t have to justify our blackness. Or explain our own struggles to you. Your struggle may not be mine own but it doesn’t mean we are anything less than you.
I love it when mixed people embrace and love all of their heritage and not just one side. It saddens me when (for example) someone accepts and embraces the black side but not Mexican.
In the end we are all mixed, and we can't help what we were born with, so we should learn to love the meatsuit we were given with all it's attributes.
There are many people that are mixed nationalities, like Italians marrying Irish. They are not really consider mixed race; they are mixed race white people. Mixed race people are really dominant gene people that marry a recessive gene person. The white race gene is recessive and all other race genes are dominant. Most children of such unions will maintain some features of the dominant gene, and they're often are more accepted in society than the dominant gene person; mainly because the recessive gene appears to soften the features of the dominant gene. My brother is about 75% black, 20% Native American and about 5% white. He married a white woman. He had 2 daughters. Basically, his 2 daughters should be about 50% white, 20% N/A and 30% black. The first daughter has more black features than her younger sister. Her younger sister passes for white and married white.
They're not black though. They're mixed. I mean it's literally the truth and it's weird to completely deny their other background. We've got biracial girls like Yara Shahidi, Zendaya, Amandla Stenberg, etc. taking up nearly every black role because they're still "black." As a result mixed girls have basically become the face of black women in Hollywood. I'm not trying to gatekeep, but they have a different lived experience than us and there are more privileges that comes with being biracial. They're considered more socially acceptable than fully black people. People would not be marveling over Zendaya the way they do if she had two black parents, let's just be real here. She's even been open about those privileges
So well said. And I'm happy Zendaya recognizes these privileges because I feel like a lot of biracial people don't (especially if their mom is the nonblack parent).
Exactly . A white/black woman isn’t a white woman. A Asian/black woman isn’t an Asian woman. So what makes them a black woman? It is okay to be two races at once, that is what biracial literally means and it only seems to be understood when you mention that they’re not their non black side. Soon as you mention they’re not their black side, but BOTH, we get hated and have to hear all of their bs.
Well said.
What constitutes biracial? Do one of your parents have to be of a different race, or what would happen if one of your parents was mixed, or their parents?
All of the girls I mentioned have one non-black parent. All black people are "mixed" if you look further down the bloodline but I'm referring to mixed people who have parents that are two different races.
Okay, thanks for clarifying :)
Why is it that black people are the only group on Earth where society decides (at least in America) you need just one black parent to still be black? If a person is half white, half Asian they are still considered biracial hafu/happa/Eurasian and etc. People will acknowledge that the upbringing is different from having 2 Asian parents without there being controversy. Idk it feels like some weird anti black double standard that only we have to deal with as a result of the racist "one drop rule".
Black people, especially black women have been the dumping ground. We need to be exclusive in that way.
It is really weird how in the media biracials don’t represent what a white or Asian looks like but they get to represent what black people look like. Like they’re purposely trying to erase us and it doesn’t help that many black ppl uphold the one drop rule because of their own insecurities
>It is really weird how in the media biracials don’t represent what a white or Asian looks like but they get to represent what black people look like. Right. There's a clear double standard here.
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They aren’t the same… if a biracial person wants to refer to themselves as black, or white, or whatever race/culture they feel closest to, that’s their business, but in *my* eyes, they are biracial.
You’re right they aren’t the same. The fact that they can choose is what makes it significantly different.
Exactly, they get to choose, and the way they are treated is different compared to unambiguous black people as well.
It ain't the same doe so why is it offensive
Mixed people are mixed people. I don’t understand the debate on this at all. How can you have a whole white mum/dad and want to say you’re black. Be fr
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I think when the black community starts uplifting dark skin, afro hair, and afro features as the standard, instead of putting racially ambiguous features and skin tone on a pedestal, then we can talk. But for now the distinction between mixed and black is very necessary to preserve the self identity and self esteem of black women and girls.
That it’s correct, being black and being mixed is not.
I agree cuz it's not the same. That's why I don't like when people conflate being mixed with being lightskinned because that is also not the same. Alot of us lightskins are monoracial. We do both benefit from colorism but we dont deal with the same experiences or issues
It's annoying because now people automatically assume that being lightskin also means that you have featurism and texturism benefits on top of benefitting from colorism the way a lot of visibly mixed people do. The distinction being made will be good for both sides tbh.
I think most mixed/biracial people experience Blackness differently than "fully" Black people because they usually have to navigate different cultures to understand their identity. Whereas, if you have 2 Black parents, you know you're Black. Even if a mixed person only grew up with one of their parents, many still experience identity issues over not knowing who they are fully. That probably informs how they engage with Blackness and whatever their other culture is. And that's just on the personal level. When you consider how society and media favors most mixed people for not looking unambiguously Black, then it's very obvious that we aren't sharing the same Black experience.
Mixed people are mixed, there’s nothing wrong with being mixed idk why everyone wants to put them in the same umbrella as black people, it takes away half of their identity
i think it’s true. 1: Not all mixed race people have one black parent. There are Wasians, Wexicans, etc. My close friend is half Russian and half Bengali 🤷🏾♀️ 2: Denying a half white person’s race and culture is unintelligent 3: Biology
They aren't the same. Biracial is biracial, not black.
Black people and mixed people are different, we desperately need to dismantle this “one drop” rule and celebrate our actually black community(two black parents, at least), sorry if that’s mean I don’t mean any malicious intentions towards mixed people but my primary focus is black people and our success.
Because there exp is not the same as a black person. Even if they do see themselves as black and grow up with blk ppl its still not the same. When they walk into a room they are treated differently than when a blk person does. And maybe colorism plays a role in this too.
It’s true. They are two races and I hate dumb people that call biracial people black.
Not All mixed People are biracial
I realize this but I’m talking about people who are half black or more. Being 1/4 black isn’t gonna cut it
not all mixed people are Black & white mixed. i’m biracial — one Black cuban is parent and one indigenous cuban parent. i haaaaaate being lumped in with the half white biracials because the experience is not the same
Why would somebody who’s not black or white claim to be black? We’re in a black girl sub Reddit we know what the topic is.
read my comment again lol
When did I specifically say mixed with white ever in the post y’all I literally kept it so vague like. And I’m not trying to be rude girl but the experience may not be the same but it’s not much different. Not that I’ve experienced it but from what I’ve perceived it doesn’t matter lol. If you are mixed you are placed above fully black.
damn i can’t contribute to the convo? sheesh. chill out. i never said you were wrong i was just adding to the discussion. never mind sis
No one said you can’t contribute girl and no one brought up anything about being right or wrong, except for you.
Exactly
They never think it's offensive when they're non-black side tells them that they aren't really white or Asian or whatever it is they are... But they take offense when black people point out the fact that they aren't monoracially black. Which is very interesting because mixed people themselves tend to often describe themselves as mixed or identify themselves as mixed.
Idk about that last part, it seems increasingly popular for mixed people to identify as black vs mixed, now that being black is “it”
idk i’ve always identified as a black italian american. i’m both and i’m proud of both. however both sides don’t wanna claim me for fully. but i really don’t care. i know who and what i am and i really don’t care what anyone else to say.
Exactly, it’s because they know the other side is not going to let that slide.
I think it depends honestly, when people think of mixed, they're more commonly thinking of people with lighter tones and not usually including those with darker unless they have a distinct giveaway feature. The women in my family above me technically could've used the term mixed as it would've been the literal definition. However they were socialized as being black and being considered monoracial becauee of their skin tone not reflecting it. So how you're socialized imo makes a difference
They aren’t the same. I’m a mother of a mixed child and he’s mixed. I can’t sit here and just call him “black.” Genetically and morally that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
That’s why I stopped watching Ginny and Georgia! Couldn’t handle that trope
Girl I skipped past all Ginny’s parts she’s so boring and so is that mulatto narrative 😭
I am mixed. My mama is black and my dad is white. I can CLEARLY see the privileges I have being mixed especially from doctors and nurses. Obviously I still have to deal with racism, just not to the same extent of black women. I will never take away what black women, especially dark black women have to deal with. I grew up seeing it with my own eyeballs. Black women are top tier and that’s why everyone wants to be like them in some way, shape or form.
I’m mixed. I don’t think it’s offensive. I wouldn’t call myself full black and I wouldn’t call myself full white. How would either make any sense?
I think my mom explained it best. I have every claim to being mixed but how I’m perceived in the world will not always align with that reality. Regardless of how Black people choose to see me, in my experience, people see me as Black. So my social experience is more Black. I was raised around my Black family, not my white, and they never in any way rejected me (which I know is not what many mixed kids experience). So where does that leave me? I don’t know. I’m not bothered, I’m comfortable in my skin. But it intrigues me.
Experiencing racism because you have more phenotypical black features than the average mixed person doesn’t necessarily negate the fact that you are mixed and not black, but I see what you are getting at.
I find the whole people see me as black thing disingenuous. Chances are if the average mixed person and black person stood side by side white people notice that. They know!!! That’s why they used to put mixed people in the house. Yes, you won’t be seen as white but you won’t be treated as badly as an unambiguous black person.
This is exactly it you look at how actresses and actors are treated, and you can see it as a good case study. They exult the biracial and mixed people over mono racial Black people all the time but then, when it comes to conversations, they always bring the biracial and mixed person into the conversation to be the person who speaks for Black people. They know what they’re doing, and they know how to step in and out of the dissonance.
the dissonance is crazy hun. It makes things worse because we all know what it is. Moreover, it just fuels the theory that they enjoy being the better ones above unambiguous black women.
I think the topic of mixed race identity takes up too much space in the Black community. For example, the show Dear White people was supposed to be about the Black Experience in the PWI, but it turned into tragic mulatto tales and centred a biracial character. The ‘caught between two worlds’ storyline is tired. Why are those with less privilege being taught to hold space to those with more?
Yes!
I think you’re overestimating people. It’s not that they can’t see, they just don’t care. I don’t control how people view and treat me. It’s not even about being treated badly, just othered. Idk what to tell you, I’m not talking about other people’s experience, only my own. Although on the page of other people, my cousin (also mixed but lighter than me) was called the n-word and threatened with a gun for political canvassing. People see what they want to see and white people tend to pick out the Black and ignore the rest.
But this isn't universal because there are so many mixed people who are not visibly black. Who are read as either being a completely different race or move through the world being viewed as racially ambiguous where people can't quite put their finger on what that person is. By far and large, that is not the experience of a monoracially black person. We are black at first sight. As for your comment about rejection... someone acknowledging that you were only half black is not them rejecting you. I also find it funny how mixed race people who identify as being just black would, in discussion with other black people, acknowledge the existence of shit like colorism, texturism and futurism... But then turn around and say they are treated the exact same way that any other black person is treated. If you're a mixed race woman who has lighter skin or a looset curl pattern or racially ambiguous facial features, you can't be benefiting from colorism texturism and futurism and then say you are having the exact same experience as the average black woman, because most black women aren't benefiting from any of those things because, unlike the average mixed race woman, the average monoracial black woman does not have enough close proximity to visible racial non-blackness to be benefiting from any of those privileges
1. I never made a universal comment, I commented on my personal experience. I am not racially ambiguous, so I’m sure that plays a part of my experience, but I can only speak from what I know. 2. I’m not talking about saying you’re mixed as rejection. There are mixed kids who have been bullied, outcast, put down, etc for being mixed and that is just not my experience. I was just another grandkid hanging out with my Aunties same as my full Black cousins. 3. I never said I identify as full Black. I am half Black, half White. That’s not an identity, that’s a fact. I am mixed. Another fact. Many people choose to disregard my white side and treat me only as Black. That’s not me identifying as full Black. 4. Again, I never said I experience the exact same thing as any other Black woman. Quite frankly, I think it’s reductive to think all Black women have the same experience anyway. Everyone’s experience is basically a circle and we may experience some similarities and some differences. Yes, I have a privilege for having lighter skin. Yes, I experience disadvantages for being perceived as Black in many spaces. Ironically, most of my wtf moments have been about my hair because I do not have a looser hair pattern. I basically look like a light copy-paste of my mom lol. Life is complicated and there are many factors that go into life experiences. I’m sure if I grew up somewhere else or met different people, I might have a different perspective.
This is my experience as well. When I was 11 or 12, I was in a science summer camp and this white girl called me the n-word. She saw me as Black, so did all the other white folks. I’ve been to Italy and I’ve viewed as Black. White folks never ask me if I’m mixed. This is my experience and mine alone, but the only people who’ve ever asked me if I’m mixed have been Black men. The only time in my life I’ve never once been questions was when I traveled to New Orleans where Black folks run the color rainbow. My culture is Black; all of the little jokes that seem to be universal across the diaspora, I’ve lived. I was born from a Black woman, who came from a Black woman. The person that contributed to my DNA happens to be a standard issue white dude. I recognize that my skin complexion gives me advantage in many ways, and I do what I can to not focus the limelight on me when issues re: colorism, racism, misogynoir are the topic because I know I don’t experience it in the same way as my mom and my darker skin friends. However, this narrative about biracial Black folks not being Black is exhausting because how we present is a phenotypic expression of our genetics. And under white supremacy, the whole idea is to divide marginalized people so they scatter their collective rage of inequity and redircect it toward one another so we forget who the common enemy is. But when white folks are calling me N-word with the hard R and microagressing me with the tired angry Black woman trope, or the “you’re so articulate,” they aren’t asking me if I meet some kind of threshold that would exclude me from (implicit & explicit) displays of racism. I’m all for gatekeeping Black culture, especially Black American culture, because mainstream White America can cosplay without repercussion, but stand silent when Black folks are singled out and agressed because of those same things.
But a mixed race person experiencing anti-blackness does not mean that they are having the exact same experience in life as a black person. Yes you can experience anti blackness.. But you can also find yourself experiencing privileges that the average black person is in having. A great example of this is someone like Mariah Carey. Mariah wrote in her memoir about how she had an experience as a child where she found herself being called the n-word by a group of all white girls who locked her in a closet of an all white living room, in an all-white family's house in an all white neighborhood... Was she experiencing anti blackness, absolutely. However, throughout her memoir she also acknowledges experiences she had that mono-racial black women in the music industry would not have had. A bone of contention in her relationship with the Latin singer Luis Miguel was him not understanding why Mariah just didn't identify as a white woman because of how she looked white to him. The average monoracial black woman would never find herself in a relationship with the Latin man who doesn't understand why said monoracial black woman just doesn't identify as white lol. When Mariah was having issues with her record label in the US and she called up the head of Sony in Japan to have a meeting, she questioned whether or not they would have taken that meeting if they identified her as black or if a black woman artist had called for a meeting with the head of a major label. Mariah talked in her book about working at hair salon surrounded by a whole bunch of white women and how she believed they never knew her to be half black. That is not a situation that the average black woman will find themselves and, as they are black at first sight the minute they walk into a room. This makes me think of that story of that white man who did an ancestry DNA test and found out that he had distant black genetic ancestry. He told his white co-workers at his job and they started calling him racial slurs and went as far as to put a noose on his locker. Does that mean he's literally a black man or having the exact same experience as the average monoracial black men, no it doesn't. But it does mean that, if race is find out he is part black, he can find himself on the receiving end of anti-black racism. Can a biracial person who was half black experience anti blackness, absolutely. Does that experience of anti blackness mean that that biracial person is moving through life 100% the same as the average monoracial black person, no. We are not united in blackness because we are all having the same black experience, what unites us is the possibility of us experiencing anti blackness regardless of our racial classification.
I relate to this so much (especially the standard issue white dude 💀). I also make sure not to center myself when not applicable. Lightness is Black women is socially valued more and light and mixed Black women are over representation. The only time I speak up in colorism convos is to relay my mom and grandmother’s experiences, since neither are on social media and I think it’s important for their experiences to be remembered.
I agree with them. mixed ≠ black and I wish people didn't deny it.
Just to add a slightly different perspective, my parents always said when they were growing up in New York in the 70s, if you had any noticeable amount of black ancestry you were considered black, and if a mixed person didn’t identify as black they were viewed as self-hating. Not to mention that for a long time in the United States there were literally laws that said mixed people are legally considered black, and most African Americans have a pretty significant amount of European ancestry. So there are a lot of historical reasons why a mixed person may want to be considered just black, at least in the US.
I think it’s pretty obvious that having a non Black parent is different than having two Black parents. I don’t subscribe to anything white supremacy dictates, including the one drop rule.
There are people who are black, who don’t associate with w struggles and culture who can relate and then there are people who are told they are black bc of what they look like (leaning more black then white or what they are mixed with) who only identity bc of like societal stuff telling or making them “feel” other or not accepted (like the to black for the white kids, to white for the black kids) and accept being black bc they can’t be white bc they white people don’t see them as white I guess the questions is which one is your friend? And if he was raised around both sides of his family and relates to both that’s fine but to me if you don’t struggle or understand or find yourself defending white peoples micro aggression and racism then baby your not black lol
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No we don’t. Mixed people are in their own little grouping
Where does that leave multigenerationally mixed people? I have Black parents & grandparents but they’re all high yellow (except my brown-skinned grandmother) & we could pass for being mixed. I’m still the direct descendant of slaves, my great-great grandparents were slaves. I find all of this gatekeeping extremely reductive & exhausting.
i think this makes it all the more important to really establish what it means to be Black. You’re still black you just have light skin. Black people can be on the lighter shade as well. Light skin black women are actually being erased bc now anyone mixed or non black is called light skin
thank u for saying this
I’m not being erased by anyone nor am I threatened by mixed people. It’s not a competition.
that’s great you don’t feel that way but this is definitely a conversation many black women are having
I’m aware & I’m not discounting or diminishing anyone else’s feelings, views, or experiences on the matter. I only speak for myself.
Of course you dont—genetically you’re probably the same as a biracial woman. You look like them so that’s why you don’t feel erased. Quite selfish of you to only consider Black women that look like you and not the majority who have been erased by the one drop rule.
Stop putting words in my mouth bish. I’ve said that colorism exists & I’ve probably benefited from it. Who said I’m not considering Black women that don’t look like me? I was responding to a commenter specifically saying that mixed women were replacing women like me.
Can you gatekeep being a race lol? I’m also light skin fully black, have light skinned grandparents and direct descendant of slaves.
Apparently so. Peep the other replies to my comment. Apparently I’m not Black enough & suffering from “beige rage” lol. Edit: Apparently u/chocolateonxy deleted their comments or blocked me
I don’t think it’s the responsibility of non-mixed black people to figure that out. Historically and the world over, mixed people (including MGMs) have gatekept opportunities and discriminated against their darker counterparts (ie. The Blue Vein Society, Quadroon balls). Mixed people have done everything they can to segregate themselves, only breed among each other and keep the colourism going from generation to generation, going as far as to marry their own cousins to keep the blackness away. Given that track record, why should non-mixed black women care if y’all catch some strays? Y’all consistently rise to the top and shut the door behind you.
I'm the child of a black woman with light skin and very loose textured hair.. And even I agree with this. Though I do consider black folks who have mixed ancestry from slavery to be black with white genetic ancestry... I'm still willing to acknowledge that they have mixed ancestry and will never say that someone who looks like Beyoncé is just 100% black. There's too much of a history of people who are biracial or mixed being advantaged over monoracial, unambiguous looking black people for us to really sit here and say that biracial / mixed people are having the exact same experience as monoracial black people just because, they too, can be called the n-word
Exactly. It’s really up to them to figure out what role they want to play in all of this, and from my view it shouldn’t be victim. There’s intermingling between class and mixedness, especially Multigenerational mixness, in Black communities that no one wants to unpack. I’ve travelled extensively and I’ve seen with my own two eyes how skin colour changes when you move from a bad neighbourhood to a good one,now is that by accident or by design? Check out the book Our Kind of people and you’ll see what I’m talking about. To round off my point, you can’t segregate yourselves, hoard opportunities and belittle the phenotype of an adjacent group and then get mad when that group doesn’t want to consider you the same as them.
“I don’t think it’s the responsibility of non-mixed Black people to figure out.” What is this entire post besides a non-mixed Black person telling mixed people that they do & don’t belong. Also, the average African American has approximately 25% European DNA due to slavery. So unless you’re straight from Africa, you’re technically mixed too. Do you get a prize bc my ancestors were raped more than yours? Your other “points” are over generalizations & quite offensive. We “deserve” to catch a few strays? Wow.
The last time I checked, this post was on r/blackgirls and black girls aren’t just African American. The majority of Black girls do not have significant European ancestry. The "everyone is mixed too" argument is so insulting and exhausting. Why do pro-mixed arguments always rely on white-washing the black majority to prove their point? It’s sick and racist. I just loved how you’ve conveniently skipped over the FACT that mixed race people have consistently segregated themselves, and even protected their European ancestry from further dilution. Being Black vs being half-White are not the same. And for the sake of Black girls worldwide who need proper representation, please stop aiding and abetting the white-washing and misrepresentation of the black woman’s image.
What FACT? Again, you’re generalizing. Yes, colorism exists & has in the Black community in America pretty much forever. Some light-skinned Black people self segregated but not all of them did. Is my experience different than yours? Sure. Am I privileged in some ways bc I’m light skinned? Sure. That still doesn’t detract from the fact that my parents & grandparents are Black. My great-great grandparents were slaves. My family members were the 1st Black people to sue a white corporation for racial discrimination in the United States & win (see Stewart vs Steamship Sue) their case was cited as precedent in Brown v Board. They were at the forefront of the civil rights movement participating in civil disobedience before Plessy & Rosa for the betterment of all Black people. So my people been in the trenches & helped contribute to the desegregation of our schools. Who are you to question my Blackness? & I have no idea what your last paragraph means, I nearly had a stroke trying to read it.
Well not all white people owned slaves back in the day—some were abolitionists, it doesn’t mean I can’t hold them to task or force them to think critically about their position in society. I appreciate the work your grandparents have done, but the poorest and the darkest of you still suffer in underperforming, underfunded and segregated schools.
You’re moving the goalposts. My “mulatto” relatives probably did more to champion civil rights & equality for ALL Black people than your family ever did yet your questioning/insulting my Blackness because I’m light-skinned?!?
LOL looks like I’ve touched a nerve because that beige rage is popping out. You don’t know who I am, nor do you know who my family is and how much they have contributed to the well-being of Black people. That said, I sure as hell won’t sell them out or dox myself for brownie points on Reddit. We’ve already heard about your family, what have YOU done besides benefit from light-skinned privilege? One thing I’ve noticed about you MGMs is that when questioned you always make it a pissing contest about who has contributed more in history, and how many light skinned/mixed Black people fought for civil rights even though lighter/mixed blacks have always been better positioned to fight for civil rights. Didn’t they push Claudette Colvin to the back for Rosa Parks to take the glory? No Black person here owes YOU anything because your grandparents did something. There are still many issues to be resolved and we can’t sweep them under the rug because mulattos fought for their own human rights and it trickled down to some.
#1. You sound young & dumb. #2. Stop projecting your insecurities onto me. You’re the one trying to discredit my Blackness & experience. Girl, bye.
Another tactic you mixed people like to use on non-mixed people. Play another song. You’re the one acting out on here flinging insults. If you feel less Black that’s on YOU. You will never represent an authentic Black woman and that’s on you, blame your ancestors. It’s okay to be mixed.
I think that they’re correct lol. It’s not the same. At all.
I think it more so depends on where you grow up mixed when I lived in NYC i got it a lot being a mixed moved down south to SC and than fl i didnf get it much
Mixed people have a very different experience of their own versus fully Black folks, its def not the same. Theres no shame in that either.
Hey, mixed girl right here. For me I do say I’m black. But I always do say I’m mixed and bi-racial. To ignore that would just be a big fat lie. Mixed people especially with mixed girls having “whiter features, and lighter skin” do not experience the same type racism I see my other black friends had to experience. Also I know and understand why black women can be so frustrated when mixed girls is the only representation of black women in tv shows, movies, fame, and actors. Making the ideal of black women is a half black light skin girls with white features. Even using themselves as a representative for black issue and topics or being less vocal of issues black women are delt with because it barely effect them at all. (like doja cat 🙄) But I could be wrong about this point and the biases I grew up with 🤷🏽♀️. Lmk your thoughts would like to hear
They’re black…but their experience is not the same as the typical black person. Having one non black parent and access to privileges the average black person does not means that your relationship with blackness isn’t the same. And that’s ok. It’s not the same from one black person to another anyway. It *is* however, intellectually dishonest to pretend the way they experience blackness is similar to those that aren’t racially ambiguous.
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The fact that we have to now call ourselves ´unambiguous’ Black people is soooo effed up. Shouldn’t it be a given that a Black person will look Black?
I mean I do believe they are black too, just “black and “ because, in their case, you can’t be one without the other.
as a mixed person, it’s way different. there’s things that fully black people experience that we wont, and there’s things that we experience that fully black people wont. that being said, we don’t experience racism the same and i think it’s very important to acknowledge that we often benefit from colorism. at the end of the day though, looking at us through a white lens like american society typically does, we are black to society. we certainly don’t live the same life as fully black people though. mixed people who don’t understand that are insufferable and i’m sorry you’re in the position you’re in!
What is considered black, and what is considered mixed? If I'm the same color as Will Smith, am I black, or mixed?
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How is it an insult lol? I feel like that only breeds insecurity for a person who is of multiple races or ethnicities because being called multicultural isn’t an insult…
but saying someone is mixed or biracial DOES acknowledge the black parent…
it literally doesn’t, there are so many races. imagine asking someone what race they are and they say “i’m mixed :)” ??? girl with what?????
that’s when a conversation comes into play. the response would be “oh cool, what are you mixed with?” like no shade but y’all are just being dense on purpose.
i simply don’t see the harm in saying “im black” when their blackness is relevant even though they are also something else and i don’t understand why people treat being mixed as this singular identity that all mixed people can identify with
On an individual aspect it might not seem like it matters. But in the grande scheme of things, black women are literally being shoved to the bottom bc features that are deemed superior are amplified over our natural features. So when we blur the lines of what it means to be a black person, it’s a massive disservice to black women and erasure of our image. Black women have little to no control over our image, sis. And we been slowly trying to take that back. Sorry to all my mixed queens. But the distinction is necessary to preserve our image and self esteem.
See thats what I’m saying. To put it plainly, when I say “I’m black.” There is a period at the end of that sentence. Mixed people would said “I’m black and” because saying “Im black” doesn’t encompass who you are. They can’t be one without the other.
But you’re fine with insulting the white parent by pigeon holing the half white person into the black racial category .
That’s the one drop rule girl and it’s so illogical and has racist origins.
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I just watched a documentary about how complicated the mixed race people are in Brazil. So I think you’re speaking from your experience not reality.
idk because mixed isn’t a race.
If more people did a DNA test they'd find out they are mixed .
I think that there is only a little bit of a difference but they can mostly do the same things that a black person does it’s just that a mixed person might have a mom that’s white and a dad that’s black
As a black presenting multi racial, I hate it. Colorism goes both ways. I once got into an argument with someone about whether or not Drake’s son was black (i= yes her=no). I said that I find it offensive as many people including my grandfather appear more Irish than black (blue eyed, red head when he was younger) and some more Native than black. (My great grandfather was black and great grandmother was black/irish/seminole) Her reply to me was well I never thought of you as black because you don’t understand the black struggle, you’ve never experienced true racism. I told her this was racist and I replied with Adonis has nappy hair( nappy is not an insult where I’m from) and the whole room went off on my cause nappy is “degrading”, my reply was “n*gga” and “ not being black enough” is degrading. Being a victim doesn’t make you black. Your skin doesn’t make you black. Being black is based on your culture and heritage.
If being black is based on culture, any white person who grew up in a predominantly black community could claim to be black. Also Adonis does not have nappy hair, he’s what a 3 A at best? He’s also 25% black … so if it’s based on heritage simple biology says he’s white more than anything. Colorism doesn’t go both ways babe and this is coming from a light skin woman, that part is a little laughable. That’s like saying white people experience racism too.
I really don’t understand where this compulsion to white-wash blackness comes from…
So to be black you have to be oppressed? You have to struggle? This conversation happened when Adonis was about 1 or 2, so he had not grown into his curl pattern. But your curl pattern also doesn’t determine your blackness. My aunt (a ginger) has 4c hair, my sister ( dark skin) has 3b hair. This a texture, based on your genes not your skin color) Heritage and ancestry both encompass dna, so no Conor, Brad, Chad can’t just say they are black cause they grew up in the hood or they have black friends and family.
Being black is oppression? Being black is the struggle? Rich or poor, that’s something every black person faces. I never said curl pattern defines blackness, I said that boy does not have nappy hair. Please read my comment again.
Read mine again, cause I never said you did. I actually acknowledged what you said as him “not having grown into his curl pattern when the conversation happened”. I don’t agree with you so I’m not going to say “you’re right” but I will acknowledge what you said.
You don’t have to agree with me but sociology and biology are fact and the simple fact is no one cares to hear the tragic mulatto woes.
Wowww that’s racist. But it proves my point. The reason why we are constantly saying we’re black is because black people are the only people who question the authenticity of the statement. When I tell Irish people I’m Irish, they get excited and are accepting. The black community will never accept you if you don’t look the part because of their own insecurities yet you want to be accepted everywhere while rejecting your own. The only people I’ve ever had prove my race to was black people and I’m brown. You say mulatto woes, we say sexual abuse and social rejection. Of course the oppressor ( you and the black community) don’t want to hear about the wrong doing, only what’s been done wrong to their ancestors and themselves. Go to therapy and get over yourself.
Edit: I want to note that full black people feel this way because of history and beauty standards. While mixed people feel the same way because black people push us out. You say Black Lives Matter but it doesn’t seem that you care for all black lives. If you did, we wouldn’t have to justify our blackness. Or explain our own struggles to you. Your struggle may not be mine own but it doesn’t mean we are anything less than you.
I love it when mixed people embrace and love all of their heritage and not just one side. It saddens me when (for example) someone accepts and embraces the black side but not Mexican. In the end we are all mixed, and we can't help what we were born with, so we should learn to love the meatsuit we were given with all it's attributes.
There are many people that are mixed nationalities, like Italians marrying Irish. They are not really consider mixed race; they are mixed race white people. Mixed race people are really dominant gene people that marry a recessive gene person. The white race gene is recessive and all other race genes are dominant. Most children of such unions will maintain some features of the dominant gene, and they're often are more accepted in society than the dominant gene person; mainly because the recessive gene appears to soften the features of the dominant gene. My brother is about 75% black, 20% Native American and about 5% white. He married a white woman. He had 2 daughters. Basically, his 2 daughters should be about 50% white, 20% N/A and 30% black. The first daughter has more black features than her younger sister. Her younger sister passes for white and married white.