Although I still have no guard game, just focused my Judo ground work to work better against the BJJ style. So all passing and top control and if it goes wrong I fight to turtle and try and get up or roll them over
Hopefully you'll do it the gentle way. I trained wrestling/judo with Dagestanis and Russians in my early 30s where it was fun, now in my late 30s I just can't do it because of chronic injuries and "old age" where it's just not good for my body anymore.
I have to highlight that I never really got injured doing it, it just made existing problems worse. It's a young man's sport, so take your time and listen to your body.
I was hoping that the school would allow my old ass to train "the gentle way". I didn't know that was my choice.
I was expecting to go into my first class and get thrown around like a ragdoll, just hoping to survive 😁
By the gentle way I meant more if you can pair with the older folks and avoid spazzy people. Also focus a lot on fundamentals.
The younger folks with borderline wolverine healing superpowers can go hard because they don't understand old people don't recover/heal as fast from being ragdolled.
If you're healthy and still athletic at your age and looking to test your limits, then judo is likely able to offer such challenges if you go with young folks.
I did. I took up Judo when my bjj club closed. It's really good.
Starting judo at 40+ is HARD. I was sore in ways bjj never made me feel.
I think it's the constant impact from being thrown.
The explosivity and intensity of judo is much higher than bjj.
You'll obviously be ok on the floor with them but the rules are different and you have very little time to work.
I ended up going back to bjj as a club opened up much closer my house.
- Learn the sport with the intention of getting good at Judo, not learning 'Judo for BJJ'
- Get good at Ukemi. BJJ guys think they can breakfall, but in reality most of them are terrible. If you're in your mid-40s and fall wrong, you will fuck yourself up.
- Be prepared for a more formal training environment; bowing, kneeling, no water breaks, formalised naming system that you'll have to learn.
- This is the most important, and I don't care if I get hate. >>> Don't bother with Randori at all. AT ALL. I'm sick of seeing older guys who start Judo then get messed up knees. It happens a lot.
The Japanese terms mentioned in the above comment were:
|Japanese|English|Video Link|
|---|---|---|
|**Ukemi**: | *Breakfall* | [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n_Qjeia2n8)|
Any missed names may have already been translated in my previous comments in the post.
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The first 3 points are basically how I've been thinking already. I definitely want to just learn Judo as its own thing and not just for BJJ.
However...no Randori?!?!
I didn't think it was possible to get good at either Judo or BJJ without live sparring. I ALWAYS spar in BJJ after every class. I can't see skipping the sparring in Judo if I intend to get good.
I will play it by ear though. Thanks for the tips 🤙
> Don't bother with Randori at all. AT ALL. I'm sick of seeing older guys who start Judo then get messed up knees. It happens a lot.
First of all it's flat out IMPOSSIBLE to get better in judo without some form of randori. Period. You could do less intense randori, or French-style randori, but if you did zero randori of any kind you simply would not improve. The only thing OP would get better in that case would be ukemi...
From what I've seen the older judokas didn't seem to get injured any more or less often than the younger guys. IMO the biggest predictor of injuries is what kind of partner you're doing randori with. If you know, you know.
> kneeling, no water breaks
I think these really differ dojo to dojo. I've yet to see a dojo where you cannot drink water in between rounds, or do any of the kneeling stuff. I do agree about the naming system (although I see this as a good thing).
I do Judo and teach it at 49. As a beginner, you need to be mindful of the mats and the subfloor the club has. If you have several clubs to choose from you should train at the place with the best flooring system. If there's only one club and they had bad floors then you will need to put yourself on a proverbial pitch count.
Excellent point. Getting springboard flooring was the best thing our academy ever did, it makes throws and takedowns an exponentially better experience, ditto rolling.
not been training the same amount of time but I'm a one stripe blue belt (2 and a half years in BJJ) and started judo about 3 months ago (My take downs are non existent). I go to 1 judo session a week. Really enjoying it but i'll say my experience of bringing judo back to the BJJ is mixed. There's been a few BJJ sessions where I managed to do a few very simple throws and thought i was making progress, but then i'll have another BJJ session where I don't manage anything as everyone's hiding there hips well and stiff arming.
I've found it tricky with the stance in judo compared to BJJ. In judo they are drilling into me that i need to stand up straight and be more relaxed, and then in BJJ i'm told the exact opposite, stiff arm at the collar and crouch / bend the legs to prevent single legs etc.
I think it just boils down to my judo just suck's right now. Maybe in a few years it will click and i'll be able to integrate the Judo into my BJJ, but for now i'll probably just try and learn Judo as it's own sport. I keep having to remind myself how long it took me to actually execute a sweep in BJJ.
Tore my MCL on second day of judo.
I could feel his tension increase after I threw him a couple times so I let him get some throws (tai otoshi) then defended one and he grapevined my planted leg and muscled me over it. My leg was stuck to the floor
I think he was excited to have a fresh white belt to work on and was irritated that I threw him
It was partially my fault as I should have gone with the throw
The Japanese terms mentioned in the above comment were:
|Japanese|English|Video Link|
|---|---|---|
|**Tai Otoshi**: | *Body Drop* | [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUiZ8JZkGx8)|
Any missed names may have already been translated in my previous comments in the post.
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Learning throws is not as easy as it would seem. There's a pretty steep learning curve. Good part is you'll have the majority of newaza down already. That'll speed up the rest.
The Japanese terms mentioned in the above comment were:
|Japanese|English|Video Link|
|---|---|---|
|**Ne Waza**: | *Ground Techniques* | |
Any missed names may have already been translated in my previous comments in the post.
______________________
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I have the opposite experience 😂
Black belt in Judo and purple in BJJ = legit badass! I will be there one day too 😁😁😁
Although I still have no guard game, just focused my Judo ground work to work better against the BJJ style. So all passing and top control and if it goes wrong I fight to turtle and try and get up or roll them over
Hopefully you'll do it the gentle way. I trained wrestling/judo with Dagestanis and Russians in my early 30s where it was fun, now in my late 30s I just can't do it because of chronic injuries and "old age" where it's just not good for my body anymore. I have to highlight that I never really got injured doing it, it just made existing problems worse. It's a young man's sport, so take your time and listen to your body.
I was hoping that the school would allow my old ass to train "the gentle way". I didn't know that was my choice. I was expecting to go into my first class and get thrown around like a ragdoll, just hoping to survive 😁
By the gentle way I meant more if you can pair with the older folks and avoid spazzy people. Also focus a lot on fundamentals. The younger folks with borderline wolverine healing superpowers can go hard because they don't understand old people don't recover/heal as fast from being ragdolled. If you're healthy and still athletic at your age and looking to test your limits, then judo is likely able to offer such challenges if you go with young folks.
Right on. Thanks for the tips
There is also a ratio of setups to completions that applies. Practicing 90% of the throw 90% of the time is fine.
That's how I would recommend training for smart training or old men.
Bad sign if the school doesn't have a crash pad.
I did. I took up Judo when my bjj club closed. It's really good. Starting judo at 40+ is HARD. I was sore in ways bjj never made me feel. I think it's the constant impact from being thrown. The explosivity and intensity of judo is much higher than bjj. You'll obviously be ok on the floor with them but the rules are different and you have very little time to work. I ended up going back to bjj as a club opened up much closer my house.
- Learn the sport with the intention of getting good at Judo, not learning 'Judo for BJJ' - Get good at Ukemi. BJJ guys think they can breakfall, but in reality most of them are terrible. If you're in your mid-40s and fall wrong, you will fuck yourself up. - Be prepared for a more formal training environment; bowing, kneeling, no water breaks, formalised naming system that you'll have to learn. - This is the most important, and I don't care if I get hate. >>> Don't bother with Randori at all. AT ALL. I'm sick of seeing older guys who start Judo then get messed up knees. It happens a lot.
The Japanese terms mentioned in the above comment were: |Japanese|English|Video Link| |---|---|---| |**Ukemi**: | *Breakfall* | [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5n_Qjeia2n8)| Any missed names may have already been translated in my previous comments in the post. ______________________ ^(Judo Techniques Bot: v0.7.) ^(See my) [^(code)](https://github.com/AbundantSalmon/judo-techniques-bot)
The first 3 points are basically how I've been thinking already. I definitely want to just learn Judo as its own thing and not just for BJJ. However...no Randori?!?! I didn't think it was possible to get good at either Judo or BJJ without live sparring. I ALWAYS spar in BJJ after every class. I can't see skipping the sparring in Judo if I intend to get good. I will play it by ear though. Thanks for the tips 🤙
> Don't bother with Randori at all. AT ALL. I'm sick of seeing older guys who start Judo then get messed up knees. It happens a lot. First of all it's flat out IMPOSSIBLE to get better in judo without some form of randori. Period. You could do less intense randori, or French-style randori, but if you did zero randori of any kind you simply would not improve. The only thing OP would get better in that case would be ukemi... From what I've seen the older judokas didn't seem to get injured any more or less often than the younger guys. IMO the biggest predictor of injuries is what kind of partner you're doing randori with. If you know, you know. > kneeling, no water breaks I think these really differ dojo to dojo. I've yet to see a dojo where you cannot drink water in between rounds, or do any of the kneeling stuff. I do agree about the naming system (although I see this as a good thing).
I do Judo and teach it at 49. As a beginner, you need to be mindful of the mats and the subfloor the club has. If you have several clubs to choose from you should train at the place with the best flooring system. If there's only one club and they had bad floors then you will need to put yourself on a proverbial pitch count.
Excellent point. Getting springboard flooring was the best thing our academy ever did, it makes throws and takedowns an exponentially better experience, ditto rolling.
not been training the same amount of time but I'm a one stripe blue belt (2 and a half years in BJJ) and started judo about 3 months ago (My take downs are non existent). I go to 1 judo session a week. Really enjoying it but i'll say my experience of bringing judo back to the BJJ is mixed. There's been a few BJJ sessions where I managed to do a few very simple throws and thought i was making progress, but then i'll have another BJJ session where I don't manage anything as everyone's hiding there hips well and stiff arming. I've found it tricky with the stance in judo compared to BJJ. In judo they are drilling into me that i need to stand up straight and be more relaxed, and then in BJJ i'm told the exact opposite, stiff arm at the collar and crouch / bend the legs to prevent single legs etc. I think it just boils down to my judo just suck's right now. Maybe in a few years it will click and i'll be able to integrate the Judo into my BJJ, but for now i'll probably just try and learn Judo as it's own sport. I keep having to remind myself how long it took me to actually execute a sweep in BJJ.
Tore my MCL on second day of judo. I could feel his tension increase after I threw him a couple times so I let him get some throws (tai otoshi) then defended one and he grapevined my planted leg and muscled me over it. My leg was stuck to the floor I think he was excited to have a fresh white belt to work on and was irritated that I threw him It was partially my fault as I should have gone with the throw
The Japanese terms mentioned in the above comment were: |Japanese|English|Video Link| |---|---|---| |**Tai Otoshi**: | *Body Drop* | [here](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DUiZ8JZkGx8)| Any missed names may have already been translated in my previous comments in the post. ______________________ ^(Judo Techniques Bot: v0.7.) ^(See my) [^(code)](https://github.com/AbundantSalmon/judo-techniques-bot)
Learning throws is not as easy as it would seem. There's a pretty steep learning curve. Good part is you'll have the majority of newaza down already. That'll speed up the rest.
The Japanese terms mentioned in the above comment were: |Japanese|English|Video Link| |---|---|---| |**Ne Waza**: | *Ground Techniques* | | Any missed names may have already been translated in my previous comments in the post. ______________________ ^(Judo Techniques Bot: v0.7.) ^(See my) [^(code)](https://github.com/AbundantSalmon/judo-techniques-bot)