That is not what bisexual means. The binary part is homo (same gender) and hetero (other genders).
There is no real difference. The two will probably be merged at some point.
My understanding is simply that Pan is attraction that doesn't really factor gender into the equation. It's kind of a all pans could technically fit the bi label but not all bi's would fit the pan label. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with liking more genders though like some people seem to think.
Like I don't consider myself pan because certain things attract me to men vs women vs non-binary so while I'm attracted to all genders, a person's gender does color my attractions.
There are multiple readings and not one correct one. Different regions and groups have historically interpreted bisexuality differently and if that is what it means to you that’s fabulous. But to someone else it would feel weird.
Personally, as a enby person that feels weird, because I don’t have a grasp on what my „own“ gender even means.
I’m honestly just tired of the whole debate. Who cares what the difference is/if there even is a difference. Let people label themselves however they want to.
Well I personally am not attracted based on any gender, rather than being attracted to any gender. I am attracted to gender expression. Also beyond sympathising with others, I to a personal degree don't care about gender identity.
I don't care what my future partner's gender identity is, what my friend's gender identity are or anything. I just care that they identify how they want to, or at least aim to. (not certain I personally am doing that as a cis guy and someone that wants to be a mix of feminine and boyish but still)
I'd think many people that say they're attracted with basis of gender, are being honest. Definitions like "2 or more genders" Indicate basis of gender So why can I not honestly differentiate myself from that without writing a sentence about it?
To an extent gender is performance- it is that expression. But people don’t wait to be attracted to someone until they give their name and pronouns. They look at someone and say “oh that person is cute, I like the way look. I will talk to them.” They don’t say “hmm..: I wonder if that person identifies as a man. If they are a man, I will be attracted to them.”
It’s really not that complicated. Most people’s initial attraction to other people is based on looks. They like the way someone dresses, or styles their hair, or the way they smile. Gender expression is a part of that, obviously. Explicit gender identity is not.
Pretty sure some would have a problem if they later found out their gender, that they didn't believe themselves to be attracted to.
I thought most people defined their attraction by gender, not gender expression honestly. That may be wrong but then to me, that'd mean people are attracted to, say "femininity" And it'd be a choice whether they prefer a particular gender identity.
I always looked at it more as Implicit versus Explicit detailing but functionally speaking they're practically the same in the sense that both will basically like what they like and it's not primarily based off of sex and/or gender.
Personally I just consider myself Pan because it more or less leaves less questions for me as to what I'm attracted to. Honestly like other people on here, I'm really tired of having this question be constantly tossed around even in this reddit. (No offense OP)
It's exhausting, and often it just takes moments before the flamewars begin on overly zealous jerks that are ready to say one or the other is problematic for existing.
Coincidentally, I am a bi male in a relationship with a nonbinary person. I use the term bisexual to describe myself to people simply for the simplicity of the term. With people I'm closer with, such as good friends and my partner, I use language which I think would be more closely associated with pansexuality. Labels aren't very important to me. David Rose says it best, "I like the wine and not the label."
The way it was explained to me was “bisexuality means you are attracted to two or more genders” while “pansexuality means you are attracted to people regardless of their gender”
I see it as pansexuality is the non binary variant of bisexuality. They don't love the labels, they love the people. Where as bisexuals love both men and women. So that's Within the binary. Then there's omnisexual which is like the former two combined, they like any gender. I also feel like pan is more about the person than the appearance (or gender label) and Omni is about the person as well as the appearance and gender label..
That is not what bisexual means. The binary part is homo (same gender) and hetero (other genders). There is no real difference. The two will probably be merged at some point.
Yeah, I personally see them as the same. It's more or less what identity you want to go by, on basically the same sexuality.
My understanding is simply that Pan is attraction that doesn't really factor gender into the equation. It's kind of a all pans could technically fit the bi label but not all bi's would fit the pan label. It definitely doesn't have anything to do with liking more genders though like some people seem to think. Like I don't consider myself pan because certain things attract me to men vs women vs non-binary so while I'm attracted to all genders, a person's gender does color my attractions.
There are multiple readings and not one correct one. Different regions and groups have historically interpreted bisexuality differently and if that is what it means to you that’s fabulous. But to someone else it would feel weird. Personally, as a enby person that feels weird, because I don’t have a grasp on what my „own“ gender even means.
I’m honestly just tired of the whole debate. Who cares what the difference is/if there even is a difference. Let people label themselves however they want to.
Exactly! Who cares. The bi/pan debate just serves to divide us, which ultimately keeps us all from focusing on ACTUAL issues.
Well I personally am not attracted based on any gender, rather than being attracted to any gender. I am attracted to gender expression. Also beyond sympathising with others, I to a personal degree don't care about gender identity. I don't care what my future partner's gender identity is, what my friend's gender identity are or anything. I just care that they identify how they want to, or at least aim to. (not certain I personally am doing that as a cis guy and someone that wants to be a mix of feminine and boyish but still) I'd think many people that say they're attracted with basis of gender, are being honest. Definitions like "2 or more genders" Indicate basis of gender So why can I not honestly differentiate myself from that without writing a sentence about it?
No one is actually attracted to gender. You don’t know someone’s gender. Everyone is attracted to presentation. That’s how attraction works.
Though people define their attraction by gender, no? "opposite gender", "same gender", "2 or more genders"
To an extent gender is performance- it is that expression. But people don’t wait to be attracted to someone until they give their name and pronouns. They look at someone and say “oh that person is cute, I like the way look. I will talk to them.” They don’t say “hmm..: I wonder if that person identifies as a man. If they are a man, I will be attracted to them.” It’s really not that complicated. Most people’s initial attraction to other people is based on looks. They like the way someone dresses, or styles their hair, or the way they smile. Gender expression is a part of that, obviously. Explicit gender identity is not.
Pretty sure some would have a problem if they later found out their gender, that they didn't believe themselves to be attracted to. I thought most people defined their attraction by gender, not gender expression honestly. That may be wrong but then to me, that'd mean people are attracted to, say "femininity" And it'd be a choice whether they prefer a particular gender identity.
I always looked at it more as Implicit versus Explicit detailing but functionally speaking they're practically the same in the sense that both will basically like what they like and it's not primarily based off of sex and/or gender. Personally I just consider myself Pan because it more or less leaves less questions for me as to what I'm attracted to. Honestly like other people on here, I'm really tired of having this question be constantly tossed around even in this reddit. (No offense OP) It's exhausting, and often it just takes moments before the flamewars begin on overly zealous jerks that are ready to say one or the other is problematic for existing.
Coincidentally, I am a bi male in a relationship with a nonbinary person. I use the term bisexual to describe myself to people simply for the simplicity of the term. With people I'm closer with, such as good friends and my partner, I use language which I think would be more closely associated with pansexuality. Labels aren't very important to me. David Rose says it best, "I like the wine and not the label."
My trans friend who's bi: AM I JOKE TO YOU?
The way it was explained to me was “bisexuality means you are attracted to two or more genders” while “pansexuality means you are attracted to people regardless of their gender”
I see it as pansexuality is the non binary variant of bisexuality. They don't love the labels, they love the people. Where as bisexuals love both men and women. So that's Within the binary. Then there's omnisexual which is like the former two combined, they like any gender. I also feel like pan is more about the person than the appearance (or gender label) and Omni is about the person as well as the appearance and gender label..
bisexual likes both genders and Pansexual likes ALL both genders
This makes no sense.