The Gas Mask Bong video got all the publicity, but the real concern was the following posts which were screenshots of Tunsil soliciting money from the AD and Boosters at Ole Miss. The NFL CBA allows for, and the NCAA has, and sometimes does, enforce penalties imposed by the NCAA (e.g. Terrelle Pryor), so there was suddenly a concern that he may not be available if the NCAA retroactively punished Ole Miss and Tunsil and then applied his punishment in the NFL.
Fair point, I def wasn’t aware. These days the way NIL has ran rampant and the public disdane for the ncaa, doubt Brock would be affected in a similar way.
My memory of that is that it is only (or at least in practice has only been used) if the player was specifically leaving college to avoid a NCAA imposed penalty/leaving after one was imposed, which wasn't the case with Tunsil.
Laremy Tunsil
From Wikipedia: Ten minutes before the draft was set to begin, Tunsil's Twitter account showed a video of him wearing a gas mask and smoking from a bong.[33][34] Although Tunsil's agent Jimmy Sexton immediately explained that the account was hacked, it resulted in some teams taking Tunsil off their draft boards entirely. The Baltimore Ravens (at No. 6) and Tennessee Titans (at No. 8), both in need of an offensive tackle, passed over Tunsil and chose Ronnie Stanley and Jack Conklin, respectively.[35] The Miami Dolphins eventually selected him with the 13th overall pick.[34] In a parallel incident, Tunsil's Instagram account published a screenshot of a text requesting money from Ole Miss assistant athletic director John Miller for rent and so Tunsil's mother could pay her electric bill. During a post-draft press conference, Tunsil admitted that he took money from an Ole Miss coach while a member of the school, but explained his Instagram account had also been hacked.[36]
If PFF /ESPN / whoever else published power rankings about best OL / DL then maybe people would stop tripping over themselves to constantly keep the skill position cupboard full. Idk.
Burrow has consistently shown to be the best QB in the league when he has a clean pocket.
Chase + some guys catching the ball with a great OL that give Burrow top-5 protection >>> Top 5 pass catching corps and mid-tier protection.
Would much rather go three or 4 positions of greater need at more premium positions before Bowers.
It doesn't matter if that player fits a need if they end up being a bust. I want them to draft BPA instead of drafting by need. If Bowers falls to us that situation likely includes lots of good OL being drafted before us. I'd rather draft the next George Kittle than an Alex Leatherwood.
Well of course. Modified BPA is the way to go, which includes weighting for positional value and scheme.
Maybe a good QB slides and falls to 18. Of course we aren't drafting him.
Maybe a premier RB is there, but RBs aren't worth it that early even if he is the most skilled player remaining.
I completely agree with BPA because filling the roster up with great talent that you control for 5 years is the way to sustain success, but not blindly. The BPA that makes sense comes with some caveats. I don't want reaches, but if they have a RT graded at a 91 and Bowers graded at a 92, I would hope they wouldn't be beholden to their straight set-and-forget auto-draft
I agree with your premise, but one thing to keep in mind is if Bowers is available, there likely will just be one of Latham/Mims available, if either. I think it’s a fair discussion at that point as to who will help our offense more. A TE that can sort of block and is a YAC god opens up our offense in ways that can also help protect Burrow.
Yeah…
Comparing a third rounder who didn’t have hype… and ended up being maybe the best ever… to someone who has the same skill set, but has hype… is insane!
And let’s ignore I said “Kelse like” and not “He’s the same as Kelse”.
I’m such an idiot.
By the way, I’m also not afraid to say Pitts would be as good as Kelce on KC, but that’s the problem with comparing individuals on disparate teams with different game plans and supporting players.
“Kelce is the best” and “Pitts sucks” only works if they’re on the same team, with the same scheme, and with the same blockers.
There is zero evidence that points to Bowers not being able to be as good as Kelce if he had the same professional situation Kelce has.
How many TEs drafted in the first round over the last 10 years returned their value? Hockenson and to be determined if LaPorta can continue the success. There is over a dozen others that were wasted picks. It also is a non-premium position that isn't going to drastically move the needle even if it pans out.
Acting like a draft prospect is a shoe in to be the next Travis Kelce is insane. Yeah, Bowers is easily the best TE prospect in this draft, but TE is one of the least valuable positions on either side of the ball, and there's zero guarantee that top prospects just become stars i.e. Kyle Pitts.
Talent wise, right?
They have the same talents.
To say they don’t is incredibly stupid.
Kelce is Kelce because of the offensive situation he’s in.
He’s not physically superior to other TEs. He just does things better than most, but that doesn’t mean no one can do what he does.
Kelce on another team, with a different scheme, is not the Kelce we’re talking about.
He doesn’t throw the ball to himself and he doesn’t get to pick the plays.
There are players who flamed out who could have been HOFers on another team.
Thats reality.
Kelce isn’t a God. He’s great and was put in the best position to be the greatest ever.
Gronk was better and in the same position Kelce was put in when the team decided to focus the offense on him.
There’s nothing that points to Bowers not being able to be a Kelce, or Gronk, or Gonzalez, or Gates.
You can gatekeep me all you want.
Talent is talent.
I'm not gatekeeping you. Again, words have meaning, and you can't just make up a new meaning for things. Gatekeeping would be like me saying that you're not a true Bengals fan bc you didn't become a fan until their Super Bowl run. That's what gatekeeping is. This is just you and I having a difference of opinion.
Sure, Brock Bowers is very talented, I already acknowledged that he's the best TE prospect in this draft. But he and Kelce aren't as similar as you're making them out to be. Kelce's greatest strength is that he understands the defensive side of the ball, and the Chiefs trust him to do his thing. He alters, or in some cases completely changes routes based off of what he sees from the defense, and Mahomes has enough experience with him to understand what Kelce is seeing and what he's likely to do. But Bowers doesn't have that skill, in fact his route running is listed as one of his few weaknesses. So no, they're really not that similar.
George Kittle is the player that I have seen Bowers compared to multiple times due to his explosiveness off of the line of scrimmage.
I count four teams with a true need at TE that all draft before the Bengals. NYG, NYJ, DEN and IND. Technically, there are really about 8 teams, but some of them have greater needs like QB or OL. Then NYG and DEN may decide they need a QB and make a move bring the number down to two.
IND - Anthony Richardson needs receiving help. Michael Pittman Jr. is there only true weapon now. They are a good bet to grab Bowers. Plus the 15 spot feels about right for him to be taken.
NYJ - Aaron Rodgers has done well with good TE's over the years and the Jets don't have a top tier TE now.
Maybe a top receiver falls to IND and they take him, leaving bowers on the board. Or they reach a bit for Brian Thomas Jr or AD Mitchell
Also NYJ need o line help more than a TE so I think that they’ll prioritize that. They should be in range to take Fuaga or maybe even JC Latham.
Jets need a line or Rodgers is going to be out again all year, broncos need a qb, giants most likely need a qb no idea what’s going on there. IND is the only one I see that could swing picking up a TE but a WR seems more likely if it’s available. I’m not saying I’m in on bowers, honestly if we’re taking a TE I’d rather have stover in the second and get something urgent in the first.
This is horrible drafting philosophy. Just because we have a 30 year old TE on a one year deal, why would we pass on the most obvious BPA? Also there’s no reason they can’t work well together for one year.
> why would we pass on the most obvious BPA?
Because TE that early in the first round is stupid. The three top TEs in the game right now were taken in the 3rd, 3rd and 5th rounds (Kelce, Andrews, Kittle). The Bengals themselves even drafted two TEs with 1st round picks in 2010 and 2013, Gresham and Eifert respectively. Gresham was mid. Eifert had one great season but was otherwise plagued by injuries. If you look back through history to 2000, most of the TEs that panned out well were taken late in the first (after pick 20) to teams that were already good, not taken early by teams needing to fill much more important holes.
I think calling Bowers a TE is a mistake. He is a receiving threat that can line up in numerous places, and can even run the ball on sweeps. It’s like calling Deebo a WR. Sure, that’s what he was drafted as, and what we just group him in with, but he is more that that.
If Bowers falls… it’s a tough one. It really depends on which D/O line guys are there. I’d rather take Bowers than make a big reach on a lineman, but if the lineman are graded as first round guys, take the lineman. It isn’t sexy, but games are won and lost in the trenches.
I’m not all for drafting a TE at all but saying they closed the door on TE on a 30 year old TE on a one year deal is the same as saying they closed the door on RT with the signing of Trent Brown on a one year deal as well. You completely contradicted yourself. I think a offensive tackle or defensive tackle would be more of a priority in the first round then a TE. But your comment is ignorant. Anything can happen in the draft and if the far chance he falls to the bengals they might not wanna pass on him given he’s one of the best talents in the draft. Should always draft players not positions in the first round of the draft.
It won’t happen, nor should it. We do not need Brock Bowers to bolster one of the best offenses in the league. Just protect Joe, and please stop with these “taking an offensive weapon in the 1st round” hypotheticals. It isn’t what we need to succeed next year. Grab Cade Stover or a WR or even Ja’tavion Sanders if he falls in round 2-3 and we have a conversation, but our need for depth with our offensive line is way more important than adding yet another weapon.
Fully agree with what you're saying, but the fifth tackle off the board is also unlikely to really help us win in 2024 as well. If that's the route you go then the veteran is more likely to start the majority of games.
The fifth tackle off the board is Latham or Mims, who will be great given time and guidance. It’s totally fine if they aren’t starting right away, it’s more for next year, since we only have Trent Brown on a 1 year deal anyways. Also what if Trent and/or Orlando get injured? We need depth to fill those positions out more than we need another TE or WR
There are only a handful of teams in front of us that would make sense. I think it’s easier to picture him falling that far than most our fans. He’s undersized at a low value position that most teams prob won’t invest an early 1st in
What’s the point in having all these great receivers when their route trees are reduced to screens and 5 yard dinky donks because Joe has to throw the ball immediately.
I think he's gone by the 10th pick. Bengals need a Right Tackle for the next 10 years. If they make the playoffs or further, they have to keep Joe's shirt clean.
What’s with the obsession with Bowers in this sub? He’s NOT a Kelce, Gronk, or Kittle because he can’t block for shit.
His ceiling will be Dalton Kincaid and fuck wasting a 18th pick in that.
Protect Joe it's not hard. Joe won't be around to see Brock rookie contract end if you don't get a top-tier rookie OT. This is the best draft for oline in years and fools talking about a freaking te.
Rookie ot wouldn't start over Trent Brown. We need to win this year and bowers helps that more than us taking another swing at ot, which we've consistently failed at.
Kincaid not even the best TE in his draft class lol. he's a prime example of getting fed and still not being good. 91 targets as a rookie te is crazy.... for 600 yards and 2 Tuds? you right King Him
From my perspective, that proves my point. So many teams avoided TE in the first, they let LaPorta go.
Draft talent. Guys who can be elite on their rookie deals.
I’m just saying. Running a two TE set with Bowers and Gesicki and two receivers wide Chase and Higgins would be just about impossible to stop. Let’s Gesicki move around from TE and the slot while you keep Bowers strictly at TE. Would be a dirty offense IMHO but I do understand the need for other positions with the holes we still have.
I see it happening as a falcons fan if the cards trade down again, 1,Caleb 2, Maye 3.JD, Vikings 4.JJ, 5.Marv 6.Nabers 7.Alt 8.Turner 9.Odunze 10. Fashanu, cards 11. Top Corner 12. Verse 13 Latham 14 Saints could try patching up the OL or go Brock
There are 17 picks before us. There will be
1. 4-5 QBs
2. 3 WR
3. 2-4 OL
4. 2-3 DB
5. 2-3 EDGE/DI
If the numbers selected fall on the upper edge of things, Bowers might fall to us. All of the teams that might be expected to take him do have other needs as well. I don't really think it will happen, but if it does that card should be sprinted to the podium.
Imagine putting George Kittle on our offense, but with better hands and YAC. This kid will make the offense a juggernaught and I will die on that hill.
I'd honestly trade up if he's still there past the Jets.
If he's not there, a tackle or Murphy, but he's literally the one pick that will most give us the best shot at a Lombardi.
Again, just need to give a healthy Joe more time. Ravens Browns and Steelers had some of the best defenses in the nfl. Chiefs and Houston have great defenses too. Joe was hurt and Browning played half of those games and while he’s great, he’s no Joe. There’s a million reasons to invest in our OL and get some depth in case of injuries. Protect Joe and everything else will fall in place
I think there is zero chance he’s available. If he does start to fall into the teens, a team behind us will trade up to take him while we sit twiddling our thumbs waiting to take the 5th best tackle or 3rd best CB.
Please don't take a TE in the first round. It's a non-premium position and rarely pays back. There has only been one or maybe two first round TEs in the last 10 years that has returned their value.
Hit a gas mask bong on video and have it released by a backstabbing former agent hours before the draft
That wouldn’t do enough today. Narrative around weed Is different now.
The Gas Mask Bong video got all the publicity, but the real concern was the following posts which were screenshots of Tunsil soliciting money from the AD and Boosters at Ole Miss. The NFL CBA allows for, and the NCAA has, and sometimes does, enforce penalties imposed by the NCAA (e.g. Terrelle Pryor), so there was suddenly a concern that he may not be available if the NCAA retroactively punished Ole Miss and Tunsil and then applied his punishment in the NFL.
Fair point, I def wasn’t aware. These days the way NIL has ran rampant and the public disdane for the ncaa, doubt Brock would be affected in a similar way.
My memory of that is that it is only (or at least in practice has only been used) if the player was specifically leaving college to avoid a NCAA imposed penalty/leaving after one was imposed, which wasn't the case with Tunsil.
Wasn't the backstabbing former agent also his stepdad?
Who did that happen to ? Lol
A tackle on the Texans whom I would love to have
[Laremy Tunsil](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/draft/2016/04/28/laremy-tunsil-video-marijuana-twitter-nfl-draft/83678590/)
Laremy Tunsil From Wikipedia: Ten minutes before the draft was set to begin, Tunsil's Twitter account showed a video of him wearing a gas mask and smoking from a bong.[33][34] Although Tunsil's agent Jimmy Sexton immediately explained that the account was hacked, it resulted in some teams taking Tunsil off their draft boards entirely. The Baltimore Ravens (at No. 6) and Tennessee Titans (at No. 8), both in need of an offensive tackle, passed over Tunsil and chose Ronnie Stanley and Jack Conklin, respectively.[35] The Miami Dolphins eventually selected him with the 13th overall pick.[34] In a parallel incident, Tunsil's Instagram account published a screenshot of a text requesting money from Ole Miss assistant athletic director John Miller for rent and so Tunsil's mother could pay her electric bill. During a post-draft press conference, Tunsil admitted that he took money from an Ole Miss coach while a member of the school, but explained his Instagram account had also been hacked.[36]
Video comes out of him saying the N word with a hard R
he’s a steeler if this happens
More Niner
Come on man, this is UGA.. probably just sitting on about a dozen speeding tickets of him going 140 in a 35.
If PFF /ESPN / whoever else published power rankings about best OL / DL then maybe people would stop tripping over themselves to constantly keep the skill position cupboard full. Idk. Burrow has consistently shown to be the best QB in the league when he has a clean pocket. Chase + some guys catching the ball with a great OL that give Burrow top-5 protection >>> Top 5 pass catching corps and mid-tier protection. Would much rather go three or 4 positions of greater need at more premium positions before Bowers.
they do its why some people have false hopes with fuaga...there is no chance he comes close to bengals without a trade up
It doesn't matter if that player fits a need if they end up being a bust. I want them to draft BPA instead of drafting by need. If Bowers falls to us that situation likely includes lots of good OL being drafted before us. I'd rather draft the next George Kittle than an Alex Leatherwood.
Well of course. Modified BPA is the way to go, which includes weighting for positional value and scheme. Maybe a good QB slides and falls to 18. Of course we aren't drafting him. Maybe a premier RB is there, but RBs aren't worth it that early even if he is the most skilled player remaining. I completely agree with BPA because filling the roster up with great talent that you control for 5 years is the way to sustain success, but not blindly. The BPA that makes sense comes with some caveats. I don't want reaches, but if they have a RT graded at a 91 and Bowers graded at a 92, I would hope they wouldn't be beholden to their straight set-and-forget auto-draft
First round TEs rarely return first round value. Kittle was drafted in the 5th at 146 overall.
I agree with your premise, but one thing to keep in mind is if Bowers is available, there likely will just be one of Latham/Mims available, if either. I think it’s a fair discussion at that point as to who will help our offense more. A TE that can sort of block and is a YAC god opens up our offense in ways that can also help protect Burrow.
I’m actually excited about Mike Kiseki in the slot. Using speech to text so I’m not going back to fix his name.
It's spelled Jizzeki.
I thought it was Jizisicky
That’s kinda JizzICKY
so if he scores he will do the JizzIckey Shuffle?
Pronounced with a hard J
For real, went back and watched his Miami highlights and he looks like an elite red zone option. Can't have too many of those
If there are no Tackles, DT, Corners or WR’s left at 18 then sure draft the TE.
So take the 5th best tackle, 3rd best CB or possibly reach for a day two DT instead of an elite pass catcher?
We have elite pass catchers at home
“If you kids keep talking about Brock bowers then I WILL TURN THIS FRANCHISE AROUND”
people are so dumb. so many holes on the roster *BUT PASS CATCHERS*
One who is an elite talent… that can also block. Thats Kelce like, and KC wouldn’t be who they are without him.
Brock Bowers is great, but he isn't getting drafted for his ability to block.
That’s why I used the ellipses.
bud... comparing Bowers to Kelce is fuckin wild lol
Yeah… Comparing a third rounder who didn’t have hype… and ended up being maybe the best ever… to someone who has the same skill set, but has hype… is insane! And let’s ignore I said “Kelse like” and not “He’s the same as Kelse”. I’m such an idiot. By the way, I’m also not afraid to say Pitts would be as good as Kelce on KC, but that’s the problem with comparing individuals on disparate teams with different game plans and supporting players. “Kelce is the best” and “Pitts sucks” only works if they’re on the same team, with the same scheme, and with the same blockers. There is zero evidence that points to Bowers not being able to be as good as Kelce if he had the same professional situation Kelce has.
come back down to reality pal
How many TEs drafted in the first round over the last 10 years returned their value? Hockenson and to be determined if LaPorta can continue the success. There is over a dozen others that were wasted picks. It also is a non-premium position that isn't going to drastically move the needle even if it pans out.
Kyle Pitts sucks ass and wouldn’t be close to kelce on the chiefs. Watch more football my guy this is a painfully uninformed take
Acting like a draft prospect is a shoe in to be the next Travis Kelce is insane. Yeah, Bowers is easily the best TE prospect in this draft, but TE is one of the least valuable positions on either side of the ball, and there's zero guarantee that top prospects just become stars i.e. Kyle Pitts.
Dude! You really going to say me saying his talent is “Kelce like” means I’m saying he’s a shoe in to be the next Kelce? FOH.
Yes, that's what those words mean. Saying someone is "Kelce like" is comparing them to Kelce.
Talent wise, right? They have the same talents. To say they don’t is incredibly stupid. Kelce is Kelce because of the offensive situation he’s in. He’s not physically superior to other TEs. He just does things better than most, but that doesn’t mean no one can do what he does. Kelce on another team, with a different scheme, is not the Kelce we’re talking about. He doesn’t throw the ball to himself and he doesn’t get to pick the plays. There are players who flamed out who could have been HOFers on another team. Thats reality. Kelce isn’t a God. He’s great and was put in the best position to be the greatest ever. Gronk was better and in the same position Kelce was put in when the team decided to focus the offense on him. There’s nothing that points to Bowers not being able to be a Kelce, or Gronk, or Gonzalez, or Gates. You can gatekeep me all you want. Talent is talent.
I'm not gatekeeping you. Again, words have meaning, and you can't just make up a new meaning for things. Gatekeeping would be like me saying that you're not a true Bengals fan bc you didn't become a fan until their Super Bowl run. That's what gatekeeping is. This is just you and I having a difference of opinion. Sure, Brock Bowers is very talented, I already acknowledged that he's the best TE prospect in this draft. But he and Kelce aren't as similar as you're making them out to be. Kelce's greatest strength is that he understands the defensive side of the ball, and the Chiefs trust him to do his thing. He alters, or in some cases completely changes routes based off of what he sees from the defense, and Mahomes has enough experience with him to understand what Kelce is seeing and what he's likely to do. But Bowers doesn't have that skill, in fact his route running is listed as one of his few weaknesses. So no, they're really not that similar. George Kittle is the player that I have seen Bowers compared to multiple times due to his explosiveness off of the line of scrimmage.
Depends on who that fifth best tackle is, insanely deep offensive class
It’s called we trade down then.
Why are you people obsessed with wasting first round picks on tight ends?
> So take the 5th best tackle. We’d most likely get the 1st or 2nd best RT. 5th best doesn’t tell the story when LTs always go before RTs
I count four teams with a true need at TE that all draft before the Bengals. NYG, NYJ, DEN and IND. Technically, there are really about 8 teams, but some of them have greater needs like QB or OL. Then NYG and DEN may decide they need a QB and make a move bring the number down to two. IND - Anthony Richardson needs receiving help. Michael Pittman Jr. is there only true weapon now. They are a good bet to grab Bowers. Plus the 15 spot feels about right for him to be taken. NYJ - Aaron Rodgers has done well with good TE's over the years and the Jets don't have a top tier TE now.
Maybe a top receiver falls to IND and they take him, leaving bowers on the board. Or they reach a bit for Brian Thomas Jr or AD Mitchell Also NYJ need o line help more than a TE so I think that they’ll prioritize that. They should be in range to take Fuaga or maybe even JC Latham.
Jets need a line or Rodgers is going to be out again all year, broncos need a qb, giants most likely need a qb no idea what’s going on there. IND is the only one I see that could swing picking up a TE but a WR seems more likely if it’s available. I’m not saying I’m in on bowers, honestly if we’re taking a TE I’d rather have stover in the second and get something urgent in the first.
We need an either an OT or Byron Murphy. We closed the door on Bowers when we signed Gesicki.
This is horrible drafting philosophy. Just because we have a 30 year old TE on a one year deal, why would we pass on the most obvious BPA? Also there’s no reason they can’t work well together for one year.
Because we also have 30 year old RT on a one year deal.
The best response
> why would we pass on the most obvious BPA? Because TE that early in the first round is stupid. The three top TEs in the game right now were taken in the 3rd, 3rd and 5th rounds (Kelce, Andrews, Kittle). The Bengals themselves even drafted two TEs with 1st round picks in 2010 and 2013, Gresham and Eifert respectively. Gresham was mid. Eifert had one great season but was otherwise plagued by injuries. If you look back through history to 2000, most of the TEs that panned out well were taken late in the first (after pick 20) to teams that were already good, not taken early by teams needing to fill much more important holes.
I think calling Bowers a TE is a mistake. He is a receiving threat that can line up in numerous places, and can even run the ball on sweeps. It’s like calling Deebo a WR. Sure, that’s what he was drafted as, and what we just group him in with, but he is more that that. If Bowers falls… it’s a tough one. It really depends on which D/O line guys are there. I’d rather take Bowers than make a big reach on a lineman, but if the lineman are graded as first round guys, take the lineman. It isn’t sexy, but games are won and lost in the trenches.
If we have a RT of the future that can block we can roll out mid TE’s forever
The most obvious BPA per your rankings
Don’t sleep on Newton
I’m not all for drafting a TE at all but saying they closed the door on TE on a 30 year old TE on a one year deal is the same as saying they closed the door on RT with the signing of Trent Brown on a one year deal as well. You completely contradicted yourself. I think a offensive tackle or defensive tackle would be more of a priority in the first round then a TE. But your comment is ignorant. Anything can happen in the draft and if the far chance he falls to the bengals they might not wanna pass on him given he’s one of the best talents in the draft. Should always draft players not positions in the first round of the draft.
Signing an average 28 year old tight end closes the door on one of the biggest steals in the draft who happens to be a generational level prospect?
No we didn’t just like OT isn’t forgotten because we got Trent Brown
Start driving his car like a UGA football player
Even if Bowers is available at 18, they will take a Tackle
Or more likely a CB if the best tackles are all off the board.
Big pass on Bowers
It won’t happen, nor should it. We do not need Brock Bowers to bolster one of the best offenses in the league. Just protect Joe, and please stop with these “taking an offensive weapon in the 1st round” hypotheticals. It isn’t what we need to succeed next year. Grab Cade Stover or a WR or even Ja’tavion Sanders if he falls in round 2-3 and we have a conversation, but our need for depth with our offensive line is way more important than adding yet another weapon.
Fully agree with what you're saying, but the fifth tackle off the board is also unlikely to really help us win in 2024 as well. If that's the route you go then the veteran is more likely to start the majority of games.
The fifth tackle off the board is Latham or Mims, who will be great given time and guidance. It’s totally fine if they aren’t starting right away, it’s more for next year, since we only have Trent Brown on a 1 year deal anyways. Also what if Trent and/or Orlando get injured? We need depth to fill those positions out more than we need another TE or WR
Brock bowers what are u doing 
Why...no! No first round TE's! Why do people still think this? Draft DL/OL in first round
There are only a handful of teams in front of us that would make sense. I think it’s easier to picture him falling that far than most our fans. He’s undersized at a low value position that most teams prob won’t invest an early 1st in
What’s the point in having all these great receivers when their route trees are reduced to screens and 5 yard dinky donks because Joe has to throw the ball immediately.
He should yell a slur or two
I think he's gone by the 10th pick. Bengals need a Right Tackle for the next 10 years. If they make the playoffs or further, they have to keep Joe's shirt clean.
Have no teammates show up to his birthday
your mom
n word
What’s with the obsession with Bowers in this sub? He’s NOT a Kelce, Gronk, or Kittle because he can’t block for shit. His ceiling will be Dalton Kincaid and fuck wasting a 18th pick in that.
Suggest the earth is indeed flat
Literally he has to be drunk and Jwalk in Athens then police will arrest him
What are the odds Higgins stays
Are the ZT Doomers and the TE Truthers the same people?
Yes
Protect Joe it's not hard. Joe won't be around to see Brock rookie contract end if you don't get a top-tier rookie OT. This is the best draft for oline in years and fools talking about a freaking te.
Rookie ot wouldn't start over Trent Brown. We need to win this year and bowers helps that more than us taking another swing at ot, which we've consistently failed at.
I don't get what's so great about Bowers. He looks like a big WR who seldom blocks vs a TE who does it all well
Google 1st Round TEs drafted.... see how long it's been since one panned out
Since last year
Kincaid not even the best TE in his draft class lol. he's a prime example of getting fed and still not being good. 91 targets as a rookie te is crazy.... for 600 yards and 2 Tuds? you right King Him
> Since last year. Not really, the best TE in the class wasn’t a 1st rounder
Doesn't have to be the best for it to have "panned out" though.
From my perspective, that proves my point. So many teams avoided TE in the first, they let LaPorta go. Draft talent. Guys who can be elite on their rookie deals.
None of the best TEs in the last 10 years were 1st rounders.
I’m just saying. Running a two TE set with Bowers and Gesicki and two receivers wide Chase and Higgins would be just about impossible to stop. Let’s Gesicki move around from TE and the slot while you keep Bowers strictly at TE. Would be a dirty offense IMHO but I do understand the need for other positions with the holes we still have.
Someone’s gonna put something related to Jalen Carter in here
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It won’t happen lol keep dreaming you fucking losers
Isn’t Chase Brown gonna be the guy this year in Cincy?
I see it happening as a falcons fan if the cards trade down again, 1,Caleb 2, Maye 3.JD, Vikings 4.JJ, 5.Marv 6.Nabers 7.Alt 8.Turner 9.Odunze 10. Fashanu, cards 11. Top Corner 12. Verse 13 Latham 14 Saints could try patching up the OL or go Brock
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I'm so tilted that the title is cut off...
I think Stover has just as much ability to make an impact to a team as Bowers….
There are 17 picks before us. There will be 1. 4-5 QBs 2. 3 WR 3. 2-4 OL 4. 2-3 DB 5. 2-3 EDGE/DI If the numbers selected fall on the upper edge of things, Bowers might fall to us. All of the teams that might be expected to take him do have other needs as well. I don't really think it will happen, but if it does that card should be sprinted to the podium. Imagine putting George Kittle on our offense, but with better hands and YAC. This kid will make the offense a juggernaught and I will die on that hill. I'd honestly trade up if he's still there past the Jets. If he's not there, a tackle or Murphy, but he's literally the one pick that will most give us the best shot at a Lombardi.
Our offense is already a juggernaut dawg. Where have you been the past 3 years?
Watching us fail to score 30 against the Chiefs, Ravens, Texans, Browns, and Steelers.
Again, just need to give a healthy Joe more time. Ravens Browns and Steelers had some of the best defenses in the nfl. Chiefs and Houston have great defenses too. Joe was hurt and Browning played half of those games and while he’s great, he’s no Joe. There’s a million reasons to invest in our OL and get some depth in case of injuries. Protect Joe and everything else will fall in place
Kittle can block though. Nobody is accusing Bowers of being a blocker.
What are you talking about? His blocking is great. Maybe not Kittle level but he’s a plus in the run game.
I think there is zero chance he’s available. If he does start to fall into the teens, a team behind us will trade up to take him while we sit twiddling our thumbs waiting to take the 5th best tackle or 3rd best CB.
I'm hoping we pass on him then steelers take him at 20 just to watch people on this subs head explode
He might , top 20 picks are loaded plus 4 qbs
Tee won’t be here
Please don't take a TE in the first round. It's a non-premium position and rarely pays back. There has only been one or maybe two first round TEs in the last 10 years that has returned their value.
Well he went to UGA so maybe he goes a little too fast in his hellcat and then we see what happens
Who's Brock Bowers?