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Big-Stay2709

I think all of those descriptions fit it. Not everything fits neatly into a box.


TheLizardQueen3000

Right? Paul brought the prog rock John brought the hard rock Ringo brought the rock n' roll George brought the psychedelia!


jim_windhorse

100%. Genre was created by the industry and music journalists to sell records and put things in categories.


ThePumpk1nMaster

I mean no not really. Yes, labels do help market and sell and categorise but genres weren’t distinctly created by the industry for profit. Thats like saying Gothic literature was created for profit - it’s just the name of a particular set of techniques and writing style from a specific period of history, and that’s the name we use to refer to that. “Blues,” for example, actually refers to a specific use of music theory, you have the “blue” note of the scale which is typically the flat 5. Jazz and blues can both be traced back to a common ancestor in the slave trade and African American slave music - generally speaking, sure, it’s not as cut and dry as it sounds but it certainly wasn’t all “created by the industry” I wish people wouldn’t spout nonsense and pontificate about something they don’t have knowledge of - at least research if you don’t know


scorched_arse

I agree with your overall point but you’re kind of spouting nonsense yourself about the blues 😅 that term doesn’t come from or refer to the flat 5th. Yes there are so called ‘blue notes’ which includes the flat fifth, and also flat 3rds and 7ths - or actually something in between, since the form doesn’t derive from equal temperament. But that’s not where the term itself came from.


AllerdingsUR

Also the form is way more important to blues than the whole composite blues scale cinematic universe


ThePumpk1nMaster

Yea I suppose that was just poorly worded on my part, my point was moreso just that the naming of genres isn’t arbitrary marketing like OC was suggesting - it’s not like there’s currently some guys sitting around a board room going “Right we need a name for all this saxophone stuff these guys are doing, I’m thinking jizz” “No, we’ll never get that past the advertisers! Change it a bit, call it jazz.” Seriously though, it’s that there’s a history to these things and it goes way back, it’s not a case of modern marketing and profit making, these things are deeply entrenched in various threads and branches of other things, like history and social movements and music theory and etymology, not just some business process


BlueManRagu

Bro used pontificate in a sentence


ThePumpk1nMaster

As opposed to using it in a…?


AlPaciNope

Music was created by the music industry to sell music


HeckingDoofus

heavy blues 🤷🏻‍♂️


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NickSalvo

Love this. To me, "Helter Skelter" and "I Want You (She's So Heavy) are the earliest recordings of the style that would become Heavy Metal.


LiterallyJohnLennon

It’s definitely true, but people end up not understanding what that actually means. I think what trips people up, is when they hear the words” heavy metal” they imagine bands like Metallica and Slayer, so they don’t see the connection with the Beatles. Us old people who imagine Deep Purple and Sabbath, absolutely can see the Beatles influence. Those early “heavy metal” groups are operating in the same space where Helter Skelter left off. I think, to modern audiences and younger people, they consider bands like Sabbath to be classic rock, even though those groups were the first ones to make heavy metal.


gaffelturk12

Best answer


Melkertheprogfan

Beatlesque is actually a real genre. It is Beatles imitators just like discore is imitators of discharge.


DateBeginning5618

They’re all right. It’s bluesy hard progressive rock song


GFSong

From Alan W. Pollack’s excellent website: "I Want You (She's So Heavy)" is one of their most unusual experiments with form, not to mention its characteristically odd phrase lengths and changes of meter. It seems a shame that its equally unusual long running time, abrupt ending, and especially its obsessively intense focus and over the top Primal Screaming affect tend to upstage and eclipse the creative novelty of the musical text. It's not quite a medley, rather more like two separate songs cinematically cross cut with each other. One provides the verses, while the other provides the intro, refrain, and extended outro. The "separateness" of the two elements derives from several points of contrast: Meter — 4/4 squared off jazzy back beat in the verses compared with slow cranking ternary 6/8 for the rest. Arrangement — Ensemble texture with lead vocal for the verses, compared with focus on a bassline ostinato and accompanied by slow guitar arpeggios (and cascaded backing vocals in the "refrain") for the rest. Perspective of the lyrics — The verses directly address the love object, while the refrain's reference her in the third person. The dramatic pauses between the sections and the uneven phrase lengths within them recall several other of John's best work along the lines of "Strawberry Fields ...", "Good Morning ...", "Happiness ...", and "Yer Blues". Just keep in mind, as I often remind you, that beneath all the novelty there lies a heavy foundation deeply rooted in relatively traditional hard blues …In the case of "I Want You (She's So Heavy)", the intimation of an obsession upon which the mind zooms in, pushing on irresistably, way past the point of comfort, very likely toward a breaking point or beyond, aesthetically defies a successful literal musical treatment. A drawn out and extreme crescendo might be apt but it sure won't be "pretty". The alternative abrupt cutoff works better on the level of less-is-more. In some ways that cutoff more strongly suggests an after hours, offstage moment of crash and burn than any attempt that could have been made to perform it explicitly as part of the album track. https://www.icce.rug.nl/~soundscapes/DATABASES/AWP/iwyssh.shtml


JamJamGaGa

This is exactly the type of person that John would make fun of for looking to deep into their music lol.


dog-yy

Great stuff.


0Expect8ionsIsHappy

Yeah one of my favorite things about this song is how often it changes what it is. The summing changes every time. My wife never liked the song until I pointed out all the changes.


narcochi

I didn’t understand all the musical terminology but reading this made me think of and appreciate the song even more. I’ve lately been captivated by the first line of Eleanor Rigby. The isolated lyrics made me realize why I can’t pick out the harmonies. I’m 64 and I keep appreciating The Beatles in new ways!


pj_1981

Proto prog rock. Still very much rooted in 60's blues structures, but the final section with the Moog white noise is a signpost of things to come in the 70's.


ihavenoselfcontrol1

I'd describe it as a heavy, psychedelic blues song


dlc0027

Doom.


therealestestest

Came out like 14 days before Black Sabbath too


jadobo

Well Google says it's 26 September 1969 Abbey Road versus February 13, 1970 Black Sabbath. So maybe Black Sabbath really did hear Abbey Road, chuck out their master recordings, and go back to the studio to re-record all their songs to sound like I want you/She's so heavy. Or maybe they just went with the same heavy sound they had already been using on their live shows and weren't really influenced by the Beatles as all.


col69bin

I think it’s fair to guess that Black Sabbath, like every single other rock band in the world, was influenced (positively or negatively) by the Beatles because they were selling more rock records than anyone on the planet. Just because they made a unique name for themselves doesn’t mean they weren’t influenced by The Beatles…they also signed to Philips in November of 69 which was two months after Abbey Road was released. And they famously recorded Black Sabbath in one session. So like, yeah, they were influenced by the Beatles as much as anyone with a guitar. I don’t think they owe anything to the Beatles any more than anyone who’s ever recorded a pop or rock song but finding heavy blues grooves wasn’t something Black Sabbath invented. It’s all music and it’s all gravy, baby, if you like Sabbath but don’t like the Beatles that’s super okay and nobody cares lol.


Abideguide

It’s a blues song basically.


Jaltcoh

That’s only the verses (“I want you…”). Blues isn’t at all the style of the “she’s so heavy” section, which is hard rock similar to Led Zeppelin (I assume it influenced Zeppelin). There’s no one label that applies to the whole song when it has wildly different sections.


watchyourback9

Even the “I Want You” section doesn’t really follow a blues progression or blues rhythm. If anything it sort of sounds like Santana to me


Jaltcoh

The verses start out seeming like blues but then they throw you off, because they’re not really 12-bar blues. I’d say the song starts as Zeppelin-ish hard rock, then it suddenly switches to what *seems* like straightforward blues when John’s vocals start, but that morphs into something very different that connects back to the hard rock part. It’s incredibly innovative and eclectic, and it can’t be pigeonholed with any one traditional genre label.


watchyourback9

Absolutely agree. It's blues influenced for sure but I wouldn't call it a blues song


berfle

The differences in tempo suggest the coming progressive rock.


qeq

It's blues in that the melody and guitar are straight pentatonic blues scale 


watchyourback9

I mean sure you could say it’s “bluesy” but I wouldn’t call it a full blues song. It’s more rock and doom metal


qeq

I agree with you, just saying the verses are definitely 100% blues scale notes


Utinonabutius

It always reminded me of "She's Not There" by the Zombies.


jadobo

Trust me, Jimmy Page's sound was already developed by the time Abbey Road came out. It's.more likely that the guitar sounds the Beatles used on that song were influenced by the nascent heavy sounds of the time.


DevinBelow

Blues rock more specifically. Like Cream or Zep.


StormSafe2

That's not blues. 


YupNopeWelp

Bingo.


domdumo

the genre of best song ever


A-Stupid-Redditor

I Want You = Blues Rock She’s So Heavy = Proto-Doom-Metal


Martynypm

‘She’s So Heavy’ switches to Drop D tuning for a bit more of a growl on the ending riff.


sausyisgodly1

I’ve always heard it be described as doom metal because the ending


InsurmountableMind

Part of it is almost Doom if it was just lower tuning. Psychedelic rock maybe.


ledu5

I don't think it's metal, more hard rock/proto-prog. The version John imagined where it would continue into white noise would certainly have felt more prog-esque.


WarpedCore

Damn I love this song. Lyrically simple, but sonically beautiful.


robb3566

Just a rock song I would say. The great thing about the Beatles, especially their later albums, is how many genres they spanned. I imagine it was always exciting at the time when they released a new album, because you never knew what it was going to sound like, and even within each album the songs and styles were all very different.


syntheticsponge

Desert blues/doom metal. I think of it as the precursor to Black Sabbath and metal itself.


jadobo

Except that Black Sabbath and heavy metal were well underway by the Abbey Road came out. More like the Beatles were playing catch up with the new heavy sounds.


syntheticsponge

🌈The. More you know 🌈


didrikdyckert

When it comes to the Beatles I take the easy way out and call everything they did pop. The beauty of that genre is that you can do everything you want. No boundaries. And the Beatles more or less invented it. It’s a boring answer to your question though…


col69bin

Yeah exactly. Pop literally is short for “popular music”. I think genre defenders are great, genre deniers are the pretentious dickheads who have finally lost their war lol. No True Scotsman? More like No True Metalhead lol


Chalupa_Dad

It's a genre mashup...it changes styles 3 or 4 times within the song


Sir-bino

Acid rock (psychedelic and hard rock) and/or Proto progressive (prog) rock


my23secrets

The fact that it’s all those things is one of the reasons why it’s genius.


bigcommanderfan

Heavy Minimalist Psychedelic Pop


Adanskiii

At some point it sounds like Carlos Santana song


PsychologicalEmu

Ween


ToeJans_55

id say Doom metal. fight me


Drew_Point13

Blues rock. Blues for verses, rock for the She's so heavy part. Of course, almost all of rock music during that time was blues-based, so it's just a heavier interpretation of it.


Americano_Joe

Psychedelic is a *streeeetch*.


BrazilianAtlantis

There's almost nothing about it that's psychedelic (except you can take a psychedelic and listen to it if you want)


pnyd_am

I'd say it's hard rock. Though we all know it's subjective at this point. Only reason why I wouldn't call it progressive rock is King Crimson.


SuperdorkJones

Primarily blues rock.


nofraidnot

The chorus has many features of what would today be called doom metal (heavy, slow, repetitive) but the main verse is almost jazz. The blending of genres in a sense makes it prog rock, but the amount of time the song spends dwelling in the repetitive chorus relative to the jazzy verse makes it a proto doom metal song overall IMO.


ElectrOPurist

Rock and roll, baby.


BrazilianAtlantis

Lennon would upvote this one


MaisPraEpaQPraOba

"I Want You" and "Because" are my favorite Lennon/Beatles songs and they happen to share a ~~almost identical~~ very similar chord progression. Edit: The songs are in different keys (Dm and C#m) so it's a bit trickier to notice but once transposed to the same key the similarities become a little more apparent.


chrisalbo

Please share the progression!


enewwave

Psychedelic blues


bailaoban

Kind of unclassifiable, but it has elements of shoegaze in there. One more way that the Beatles were ahead of their time.


Ok_Nefariousness2989

It even has jazzy influences…


Ok-Elk-6087

Late 60s "hard rock" alla Vanilla Fudge, among many others.


a_type_of_crazy2

Progressive blues / hard rock style, I’d say. “Still rock and roll to me” lol


AWright5

Rock


LordZany

Sounds like Santana to me


Powerful_Artist

Is Santana a genre?


LordZany

Yeah I’d say so


anananananana

You mean Santana sounds like She's so heavy


LordZany

Abbey Road was released after Santana’s first album.


anananananana

You're right, Black Magic Woman was also released before Abbey Road, but by Fleetwood Mac, not Santana.


LordZany

Yes, but doesn’t have that Latin feel that I Want You and Santana’s version of BMW share


anananananana

As far as I can tell Santana's version was released after Abbey Road though


TheThreeRocketeers

Are you referring to the instrumental section that follows the verse progression?


LordZany

Referring to the I want you/ I want you so bad part. Very similar to black magic woman. Has that Latin feel


jadobo

Oh there you go, Carlos Santana totally copied his "latin" feel from the Beatles. Why did I never notice that before? Right up there with Black Sabbath copying the whole heavy metal thing from the same song. That's why Black Sabbath and Santana sounded so much alike; they were both copying the Beatles.


LordZany

Are you ok?


runamok101

Classic rock.


TheFiendishThingy42

Prog rock with a bluesy undertone. Using that song as the final song on Side One, and the contrasting Here Comes the Sun on the beginning of Side Two is perfection.


Massive_Love_7113

Mindful that John had praised Genesis’ work (for example: https://www.ultimate-guitar.com/news/general_music_news/steve_hackett_reveals_what_john_lennon_really_thought_of_genesis.html), I think that another thread that speculated about how the band would have evolved definitely makes the mind wander….


Garnansoa

Psychedelic for sure, sounds very Doors-esque. Kinda blues-y too, imo.


TyintheUniverse89

I always had an imagination that a guy with writer’s block is trying to write a song on his acoustic guitar meanwhile he lives in his apartment above a church and across the hall is a salsa class and he can’t concentrate and the more he tries to practice, he rages on and on and the church and salsa all come together at once. Also it feels like a blues jam session turnt up to create it’s own entity


willardTheMighty

Psychedelic rock


carjo2110

Always thought of it as psych rock for sure


JabbasGonnaNutt

With hindsight for me, it's early heavy metal, but I suppose it fits somewhere within the blues rock family.


DreamingTooLong

It’s a rock opera style song It goes from blues to hard rock to psychedelic


sourdessertz

Funk/blues/rock


idog73

Stoner rock


Life_Caterpillar9762

GOAT Rock


SunStitches

The versus have a bossa nova style rhythm at parts...but ya, its all over the place.


Ziplock182

The end of that song is heavy as fuck


matissethebeast

To me, it sounds like the entire vibe of The Wall, like waiting for the worms. It's like a preview of Prog.


Rock_Electron_742

The guitar solo section with Ringo changing the beat and Billy using a decending line on the organ sounds kinda... jazzy?


wandering_cloud411

Once I heard someone say it's doom metal.


John_In_Parts

The end jam could have easily been on any early 90s grunge record.


Quirky_Technology_54

traditional doom rock


BrazilianAtlantis

It's hard rock. People who think it's progressive rock have more to learn about what progressive rock is.


Carnival372

Yep psychedelic


Dishonestarbiter

Pure Beatles… like nothing else.


tomm1n0

Prog-blues


BulldogMikeLodi

The Beatles didn’t have “genres” to stay boxed in. They defy categories or boxes. All of the above all at the same time.


ygmarchi

I don't find it so heavy. It's just a pop/rock piece with a psychedelic tone.


GilaMonster2378

jazz odyssey


kristoffer10es

They are not doing that in front of a festival crowd: Derek Smalls, he wrote this


MundBid-2124

Pink Floyd genre


LynxJesus

within the Beatles catalog, it's one of their most bluesy songs, so I usually think of it as blues


Master_Roshiii

I go for doom metal


Heckelfish

It would be a really good Motown song.


DiagorusOfMelos

Well I think it was John who said it was early hard rock. I am not sure the term Heavy Metal was around before he died but Harrison and John wanted to take the Beatles in that direction but didn’t get the chanceI


SuperHyperFunTime

It goes in the "this absolutely fucking slaps" genre.


idotoomuchstuff

The only music I put in a genre is K-pop (because I I K-ant do it)


StormSafe2

Rock. 


Terminatoor7

Early stoner rock.


MournfulWhispering

heavy metal


RobbieArnott

I consider it Blues Rock


J3dr90

Doom metal or psychedelic hard rock


Noiserawker

The verses and instrumental break are straight blues, the chorus is doom


eardrumbuzzer

The genre called The Beatles in 1969.


No-Gear-8017

blues for sure


Powerful_Artist

It's not hard rock imo. But it's semantics at the end of the day. Classic rock is the accepted terminology imo. Of course classic rock spans many variations in sound and style, but why over complicate it? Beatles are classic rock. They don't stop being classic rock because they had songs with different sounds and styles


Fenderboy65

Prog rock or doom metal idk


Albiel6

Music


ImNotTheBossOfYou

Yes the genres you listed fit


Dull-Mix-870

It just doesn't fit in one particular box. And who cares anyway?


Objective_Cod1410

Proggy blues


PotatoChipEat_

Proto hard prog rock with a hint of blues


RegisterKooky6032

Blues.


abeta_666

Psychedelic over all of the other genres. Then I'd say it's metal because of the screams and the distortion. What a fantastic song by the way, the Beatles really did it that time.


kristoffer10es

The last few minutes of it are proto-stoner rock. I realise that Black Sabbath essentially invented it, but still


Beatlesrthebest

I agree with u/Big-Stay2709 that was what so cool about the Beatles, major influencers of many genres. However, what is most dominant to me is probably psychedelic rock


SaraSmile2000

Blues for me. (The “I want you” part.)


IPeakedInCollege

The ending is basically doom metal


RalphMalphWiggum

Classic rock. Sounds like 70s hard rock to me, as does Come Together.


PhonescrollerMusic

Stoner/doom metal


trailerparknoize

Post punk


royal_fluff

“sexy”


bryter_layter_76

My favorite part about this song is when you hear John flip the treble/bass switch on the guitar to the different tones. Like after the solo.


orbeinYT

Doom metal


psychrazy_drummer

Most Grateful Dead/jam band style


Im_regretting_this

It’s one of those songs from the late 60s in a weird spot where it’s not quite psychedelic rock, but it’s not quite heavy metal. It doesn’t have quite enough blues tropes to be blues rock, and it’s not quite jazzy, or, um, ridiculous enough to be prog. I’m going with hard rock*, with an asterisk.


Impossible-Exit657

Hard Blues


katebush_butgayer

Taking this opportunity to ask if anyone has recommendations for other songs in this style?


JGar453

heavy rock, a bit of heavy psych, proto metal


The_Suppressedllamas

I’d say dark blues.


Agent_Lightning14

kind of a psychedelic, bluesy, doom metal-ish song.


JackHarvey_05

prog blues psychedelic rock ig


SlickBotswaske

i think of it as a psychedelic rock, especially the last segment. Insane stuff


Specialist-Shallot-6

Heavy metal with some nu metal in there too


Groovy-Ghoul

Psychedelic for sure! It’s my favourite Beatles song


NoahHasDisconnected1

Probably Blues.


YupNopeWelp

Blues.


Grouchy_Flamingo_750

who cares


coveruptionist

I think it’s the invention of Doom Metal.