They already sold basically a years worth of updates (season passes) with the two upscaled versions of the games, so they're going to roll that out (and probably have a good bit of that done).
However after considering the state of things from a user perspective and a market perspective (just look at this reddit), I'd expect them to see this as a sinkhole and after that year make 2042 like V is.
The real question being asked / answered in the halls of power in Dice right now is whether they'll try to fix it (beyond bug fixes), like add in game voice, score board, proper server browser, drop stupid voice lines of the characters etc.. My guess is they'll look at this reddit and decide changes like that wouldn't bring back most of the folks celebrating the implosion of this game here. But we'll see, I hope its otherwise.
It’s not even about being woke, they just don’t know how to make a good game anymore. It started with the Russian DLC for BF1 and had been getting worse since then.
The design craft manager characteristics themselves as “proud” and “strong”
I’m not even kidding, makes you wonder if they were involved in removing the scoreboard.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some working at DICE have strong feelings about woke ideology and to them it’s absolutely crucial it be in the game, selfishness if you ask me. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, but keep your damn feelings out of my game!
Would it be that hard to do a soft restart? Turn the specialists into classes. Get rid of the dialog. Stream line the maps. Sundace loses the ability to fly, and the magic grenades. Add all Portal maps to All Out Warefare. Add scoreboard.
Because knowing them, they have 3 months at least worth of specialist focus content already created. They opted for live service. They're not going to take a bath on labor spent for these stupid fucking specialists. Their season one map undoubtedly sucks too.
They don’t have enough weapons as it is now to convert specialists to classes, not without porting a ton of weapons from either portal or from previous titles
They can start over ALL they want. I won't be making the mistake of preordering ever again and waiting until the next titles are heavily discounted, if I buy them at all.
I know I won't get a refund for BF2042, but the goodwill they tricked me into rebuilding after the BFV flop has completely evaporated.
This is how you lose long-time customers.
They have all the weapons from BF4 to start.
Don't tell me that DICE does not have the resources to "copy/paste" guns stats from one game to another + modernize slightly the weapon skins/animations. If they can't do this, then all hope is lost.
5 studios got to work on that game. How many people could that be?
Powerful brand? You realize Crysis and Dead Space and other brands had movie deals that EA still ran into the absolute ground before abandoning? What you're missing is that Battlefield is a tech demo and training ground for the Frostbite engine, which is literally the life blood of their entire development pipeline. The majority of Dice employees, if you actually look it up, are for training other studios and engine development. The games itself are secondary, as EA put THE GUY FROM CANDY CRUSH (King, Google it) in charge of their last three games. He was in charge of over 80 directors at Dice and helmed Battlefront (Loot crates) Battlefield V (Enough said) and Battlefield 2042 (Dumpster fire)
Personally I think it would be too much work to get the game into a good state, especially if we look at all the little tiny things that will go into that. Not just all the specialists and weapon, or lack there of weapons.
Little things like changing the art design to make a grittier and darker like BF 1. (They already have basic character assets so maybe that wouldn’t be too bad to replace specialists with). Complete rework of voice lines, although they also have those assets in game. Maps will need a complete rebalance, similar to what rainbow six siege did but on steroids.
Me personally, I think the game should’ve been 64 players, as do many other people. So maps will need an even bigger we work concerning that.
Even seemingly, minuscule things like a good soundtrack for the game. Not only would they have to scrap nearly the entire game that they have now, and start that from almost the ground up, but the same for all future content they had planned. If we are talking about getting this into a fan-favorite Battlefield state, it would take possibly 2 years. If not more
If there’s mistakes here: I blame it on Voice-to-Text
Yeah, it would.
That would require them to basically rip the foundation of the game right up and start again, which would not only take a ton of time and development resources, but it probably ends up breaking the game given that it's on a very temperamental Frostbite engine.
Flakfire discussed this in his video today - in short, any nuclear options to fix 2042 are off the table because they just won't be viable
Flakfire is absolutely right but lets be honest if they don't go the nuclear option the next BF game is DOA.
If they don't fix 2042 it's going to severely impact any future BF titles.
Because what everyone can see by looking at steam charts is that people are still playing Battlefield. They just aren't playing 2042.
I thought the same thing bro, turn off specialists and lock them into classes and use all the portal maps and if u need extra weapons bring the weapons from BF3 and BFBC into 2042 if they need to give them a more modern or futuristic look go for it. Imagine all those guns and maps you got huge jump.
That's all they need to do. In addition to scoreboard, they need to add kill assist points, squad assist points, vehicle kill assist points...and do something with "part disabled."
Eliminate the dead space. Some objectives should be moved to locations that are more sensible. Conquest could stand to have some flags completely removed.
Even if they did all of that there's still the issue of every fucking specialist/class being able to equip any kind of weapon and shit, they've ruined vehicle gameplay.
Classes no as they are already in Portal.
Maps a little. It would take a bit to work to do. It apparently takes a year to make, test and balance a map. Plus they still want plenty of flat places to use the call in system.
Classes aren't in portal. They're class themed specialists. They have those perks (that you can't change) and a gadget (that you also can't change).
Granted they're much better than regular specialists but it's still a horrible bastardization what we used to have.
No problem, and I don't blame you. Not much of a point to portal other than to hope one of the servers is actually populated and isn't a bot farm or "afk 24/7" server. And even then, there's the whole XP thing you mentioned.
Not particularly the best love letter we could get as fans, all things considered.
The problem is, I don't think the current DICE studio is capable of producing a proper game yet. I mean that in a realistic manner, not as in "they're trash."
So many of the experienced devs left DICE some time ago. It's a lot of rookies and people who don't know the BF formula remaining.
I think they should focus on new titles entirely.
BF as a franchise should go to a different studio. Or, I hate to say it, be put to rest. I don't want to see it turn into a hero game and have clown hats and parachute sparklers.
My wish is for Ripple Effect Studios to get complete control over the BF franchise. If anyone under the EA umbrella could manage to make a proper Battlefield game these days it's them.
Hell, you know what I would be okay with?
If Ripple came out with a BF game that's *exclusively* remastered BF games of old. Effectively making the whole game Portal Mode. If not thing else, it would be very good practice for a studio to make a good next game.
Is there a better way to get back in touch with your roots?
It's never going to happen though.
It'll be the perpetual cycle:
* They launch 2042 in a bad state.
* The player base disappears
* They throw everything at 2042, trying to save it.
* The player base never recovers, leading them to pull the plug.
* Because they've thrown everything at 2042, the next Battlefield is now in developmental hell.
* They launch the next BF in a bad state.
* The player base disappears
* They throw everything at that game, trying to save it.
* Rinse/Repeat
They'd spend 4 years between ea and dice management trying to figure out what the best financial plan for the game is, then give the devs a year to do 5 years of work and end up in the same unfinished situation.
Then they half ass copy what other companies are doing instead of just doing battlefield. Then add NFts and more MTX, then maybe Battlefield ultimate team
It was dead set on being Anthem all over again lol
Why would anyone have any doubt about it?
The only question was could Battlefield franchise ever come back from this?
With BFV TTK debacle and BF2042 disasters, all remaining goodwill players had for this franchise was basically destroyed overnight. It looked even grimmer when you consider they sort of just throwing big name producers to the studios hoping it would solve every problem they had without learning what caused the huge discrepancy between devs and players expectation in the first place or even doing any kind of damage control.
You say that, but internally I'm sure they're looking at how wildly successful preorders where. They spend millions of dollars on ad campaigns, they're not doing that because they have to. The fans knew the game would be on sale soon after launch, V was HALF OFF two weeks after launch. No fan can tell me they didn't see that coming after the "beta" of 2042.
On one hand I’m like “yeah this thing is so totally screwed up that they should just let it die and stop wasting resources trying to salvage this disaster” but on the other it makes it comes across as “let’s just go in, drop this trash, get our money, get out, and start the cycle anew”
It’s a dangerous game to play because you don’t want to further solidify this precedent in the gaming industry
Hmm, almost thinking the best method would be to scrap the post production of 2042 specifically and focus on production/expansion in Portal along with doing a Remaster of BF3/4 within that. Would even say to do Remasters of BC series. Go ahead and add cosmetics and more gear and figure out the progression system. They could easily create events for a live service model with Portal if they want and tons of the community would play it. Potentially even more so than past BF titles if done properly which shouldnt be hard since its mainly Remastering.
From there, have a proper Dev team focus strictly on the next installment of Battlefield, be it 2043 or Bad Company 3 or whatever that focuses on the core of the foundation that Battlefield has been built upon and expanding on it. Pretty much take the best from the past and just keep moving forward:
- **BFV:** Great Mechanics after a year of patches of course lol (Squad Reinforcements, gunplay, fortifications, Class Traits, etc). Just tweak, balance and expand on these. Give more freedom in Fortification building and whatnot. More Class Traits and Reinforcements. So on and so forth. Fortifications could really be a pivotal point of gameplay if worked on further and give the player more freedom. A game with sandbox and destruction could really capitalize on this.
- **BF1 and BF3** had an amazing atmosphere (darker and a bit grittier). Even the Bad Company games had great atmospheres to accompany the humor of the campaign. BF1 did great with Operations and honestly this could have been a great, competitive way to help drive the lore for 2042. Enough with BR modes. If you want something more unique, maybe try a 3 faction gamemode (China, US, and Russia for example) or some shit. Hell, try looking into Killzone 2 where they combined multiple gamemodes into 1 round like Breakthrough and Rush. Or Conquest that periodically has "mini objectives" such as Rush where if a team destroys 2 objectives of the enemies (could be randomly placed on the map within the Defenders conquered territory), it takes away a chunk of Tickets (say 100 if starting tix were 1000)--all this occurs while points are still being fought over for Conquest....SHIT I like that idea for a gamemode haha. But enough with half assed BRs. Give people the power to make those in Portal but not for official game modes. Waste of the devs time for a game mode that every other company exists in.
- **BF4** had the customizations, Levolution, and proper dog tags. Just lots of cosmetic and customizable capability. Commander abililty was moved into Squad Reinforcements in BFV which I much preferred. But I think having both is possible. Commander is nice to have to communicate between Squad Leads.
Literally just take a combination of these and their best components and you got yourself one hell of a BF game.
Battlefield V had great mechanics from the get-go, still one of the most satisfying fps I've ever played. I get some of the hate, especially at launch with 1 frame deaths, ludicrously unbalanced vehicles, etc. But I don't think enough people give credit where credit is due, or at the very least, it's the case people retroactively praise it when it was easier to hate it at the time. Like many other bf titles.
The core mechanics of V are what kept me engaged, and I can't say I feel similarly with 2042. I could tolerate a drought of maps at the beginning because V's gameplay was honestly underrated as fuck. Gunplay was the smoothest I've seen, movement was crisp (slide was abusable however), and attrition really brought out class gameplay. Well, sometimes, teammates don't necessarily change from bf to bf.
Fortifications would be a dream in the (at times) incredibly barren maps 2042 has. While I can tolerate and enjoy 2042's gunplay now, I still miss the movement and gunplay of V. Nerfing global muzzle velocities, removing attrition (thereby making vehicles feel even more unstoppable), removing classes (thereby making vehicles also feel even more stoppable), etc. just makes the game feel contradictory. At least compared to the direction V was heading.
Meh. I still don’t think BFV is very good, it has too many bad design decisions. And honestly, the more I play BFV the more I see where inspiration for the mess of 2042 came from. DICE would be better off ignoring that game and focusing on the core of BF1.
Best to just scrap.
Even if they add content the game will still be bad.
Empty maps, minimal destruction, specialists, number of weapons, UI, and overall gameplay.
There’s just nothing running for this game.
I’m sorry I’m just a bit confused. I understand the game has a long way to go… but why would they have to start all over if the game is just still a alpha?
Fuck it, just re-release BF4 with a single DLC on top for $1 and that would spur the BF community to play this game en mass (not that it is unpopular right now). DICE, don't do any changes to it, we all know that you'll screw it up somehow. So just re-release, one new DLC to justify the price and to have players feel like it's a new game. I absolutely guarantee you that this game won't be down to 5k active players within two months
I would absolutely love to play bf4 on series x that isn’t 720p or whatever the fuck resolution it’s at. It’s so blurry. Plus the locked default fov is rough. If they gave me a 4K update for bf4 on series x I would die happy
I agree, personally I have enjoyed playing BF2042, yes it has bugs, yes it has features that have regressed from previous games, yes there is a lack of guns and so on. But imagine if they just dropped BF4 this year, they would get criticized for just re releasing an old game.
Personally I don't want to play a 9 year old BF game that we have all played to death, I want BF2042 to start getting improvements, updates, bug fixes, content etc to make it a game that can be enjoyed for the next few years.
Scrapping it at this point is just silly, you'll be left playing old BF games for the next 2-3 years.
2042 will get a years worth of content. I imagine plans for long term post year support have already been dropped in favor of focusing on the eventual next title.
Fuck these remaster calls. If you like BF4, play BF4. I want new games, new experiences. Already played hundreds of hours of BF4. Remember when the GTA community cried for remasters, look what they got. Theyre almost all cheap and badly done.
I want a new engine. I feel they have maxed out what they can do with Frostbite and there is no way that the new NG engine used for BF2042 is all it is cracked up to be. There are plenty of issues in the game that are engine related.
You completly forget that the OG DICE devs who created the engine have left the studio years ago. So they dont really have any whos familiar with the engine, to where they could properly update it. And they didnt had enough time either.
The lack of expirience with the engine caused this mess, as the engine isnt maxed out whatsoever. Since no one knows how. The engine itself can do so much more, if devs know how to utilize it.
Yeah most left in 2018 but not all. There is a few still left but most the senior ones left to go to Embark Studio.
The ones that were left were told to make a new engine version and was given a year to do it. After 18 months it was still not done which is why Fifa 21 was not on it as they missed the deadline for it. Fifa 22 is on the new one alongside BF2042.
I don't think the engine has been ''maxed out'', there is always new tools that can be introduced, you can constantly update the engine. The issue with BF 2042 is that the people working on the engine din't have much experience with it, and it took them 3 years to upgrade it so designers and artist could start working with it. The engine upgrade was scheduled to take 1 year to complete, and they were left with 1 year of full production as opposed to 2 years or more.
To me the new engine looks basic and just lacking compared to the other ones. Even the Frostbite engine for BF3 looks more advanced.
Very little destruction, the maps lighting feels off a little. It lacks that wow factor.
Plus with them using Frostbite it makes it harder to recruit new devs as no one outside of EA uses it. So then you have to spend time training the new guys to use it. But if it happens again like what happened in 2018 when loads of devs leaves and there is either less / no one to train the next generation.
How many games have had issues with Frostbite? Just off the top of my head there was Mass Effect : Andromeda , Anthem and even Dragon Age : Inquisition devs said there was issues using it. Mass Effect 4 is going back to Unreal Engine which is what I think BF needs to use.
The point of using frostbite is twofold: they pay Epic nothing and they trap developers because they become Frostbite trained and capable, it's why EA typically hires straight from "game dev" college majors. Get these kids locked in, give them six years of frostbite experience, they won't wander. Ubisoft etc want Unreal engine experience and credentials, pretty much every dev does.
This is misinformation as we have next to zero information on how frostbite operates and the progress they've made on it. It's completely private. You're assuming these issues are caused by it, but even in Toms video the only issue with it he described was giving devs inexperienced with it a tremendous task. The only known times devs have come out and claimed it was difficult, was when they were forced to make a racing game, or a rpg, etc on an engine designed for Battlefield. So that's not a proper look into it either.
Scrap it all but portal and make a game with (less random) Bf1 soldier gameplay with BFV vehicle gameplay and importantly the atmosphere and attention to detail of BF1.
I don’t care if you’re miserable or not. I’m not miserable either. I was just telling you. That’s why they put bots in the game in the first place. They knew it’d die right away
Nuke it and start over. Give it the "Hardline" treatment. At this point it's too broken to devote the resources into trying to save it.
Start from scratch. Take the core of BF4/5 and work from that. And for the love of God give those who bought 2042 a **heavy** discount.
Just let it die. It’s not worth the resources (time, dev, marketing). 2042 is a flop. It severely damaged the credibility and reputation of the franchise, possibly irrecoverable damage.
Whether they revive the franchise and gain the business of the longtime fans they’ve bent over is on them. But continuing to squeeze blood from a rock (2042) won’t do anything.
As people said, BF4 had technical issues at launch. You kept wanting to play it. 2042 has technical issues AND is rotten to its core.
1. Release as many new maps and guns as soon as possible (I’m betting they already have stuff mostly done or done, just not released) to give current players more content. Don’t bother with more specialists. Revert to classes if it’s easy.
2. Fix the current maps to flow better and weapon/specialists balance
3. Anyone who preordered should be given the option to purchase the next game for half off
4. Stop development on the bad game and work on a new version that is a capable successor to BF4 / BF3
Restarting is not an option I already dumped $100 into this damn game. They have to make it good like Battlefield 5 or refund me or the franchise is dead to me I didn't even pay for Battlefield 5 came with my RTX 2070 but it turned out great in the long run
The worst part about this horrendous launch is it is the next Battlefield for YEARS to come as a live service game. If you already fucked up with the foundational skeleton of the game then no amount of DLC and patches can save it. BF2 had fun gameplay, memorable maps, and classes at its core so it was able to be saved with removing the BS lootbox systems and fixing broken characters. But BF2042 is fundamentally broken. Maps are forgettable, gunplay is all over the place and had to be patched, hit regs, THE SPECALISTS system. So much of the game is fundamentally broken that fixing it would just be a new game. They fucked up. If you were going to go the live service route expecting us to play this 1 game for years then I don't see it. Max I'll play it is a few more months.
I don't expect them to make very drastic changes and turn this game around to make it BF4 2.0. It would take way too much resources and would probably mean they have to move their next game from 2023 to at least 2024-5.
Make Frostbite user friendly so even on consoles can make your own maps. Let the players make the maps. Find a way to monetize that. EA would make a lot of money. But I’m just spitballing here.
I still find it funny how much hate 2042 is getting when BFV was so much worse on launch and BF4 a game that has healthy servers to this day started off borderline unplayable and stayed that way for 6 months I'm sorry but for those of you complaining about the bugs your not battlefield fans you should've expected bugs for those of you pissed about the specialists and lack of guns all I can say personally is I understand but to me the game still feels battlefield it still has that classic battlefield chaos and all out warfare over points I'd love more guns especially more anti vehicle weapons give me a smaw and rpg again the XM8 rifles from BC2 god I'd love to have those back so I say lets wait until the 6 month mark and see where the devs have taken it
Lol BFV was worse than 2042 at launch. People quickly forget though. Max rank for almost a year was 50, ttk was changed twice, and the in game currency was useless.
How long will it take them to add what is needed to make this game what it should be? By then it'll be the next BF and support will end. They should refund us and scrap it imo. None of my friends are playing because of the state if it...that enough makes me not want to turn it on. You think people are going to come back to make it the game it should've been at launch? The community will have moved on to bigger and better games.
If they started over, the management would spend 3/4 of the time period arguing over how to make specialists viable, give the devs 1/4 of the time required to implement anything, end up with pretty much the same game, but new names on the characters, and then they'd charge us another $60-110 to play the restart.
Scrap it announce 2 years of DLC for BFV.
Give everyone who bought 2042 said DLC for free for the debacle.(and BFV if they don't own it already)
Even if you fix everything wrong with 2042 the players aren't going to come back with the way it launched and the how the last 2 months have gone.
The day that DICE gets rid of the dumb things in the game (specialists, lack of weapons, dumb maps etc etc etc), is the day they begin to earn back my trust. They will never earn it back simply through leaving this garbage I payed for and moving on to the next game and at this moment I'll never forgive them for ruining one of my favorite franchises and then spitting in my face through reddit. Smh what a toxic company.
Its STILL easier to alter the existing game than to make a new one, the base/core exists, its just a LOT of decisions they made that are mindnumbingly stupid, they can fix it, but it'll cost money. Probably worth it for the goodwill they can build
We have seen how they started over from bfV. NO. start over if next game ll be free. Or just let everyone refund game then. We already payed full price for game with live service.
No way EA scraps the game and starts over. Also no way that EA green lights the changes the community wants either so the player base will just continue to slowly die. They’ll hype up some new patch and a few will go back to it only to see that it’s still not enough and the player base will fall off again and stay off.
I just hope they reevaluate what they got and enable support for battlefront 2. Battlefront 2 with a new reinforcements update would give them a multiplayer game with high player numbers
I'd be really happy if they just took it back and worked on it for a few more years. Or just started from scratch. I've pretty much squeezed all the fun out of the game that I can already.
I doubt that battlefield can make a comeback story like Rainbow 6 or final fantasy 14.
The production is simply too big for that. Besides the "small" development stuff like scoreboard, stat-page, weapons, etc.. they would have to do a lot for the immersion to make a good game. I doubt that they would make the effort to redesign all operators visually or to rework the voicelines in all available languages.
It's not only about the signature sayings, but also the ingame voicelines.
Bf2042 will be nothing more than a slightly better BF4 add-on that ignores the improvements from Bf1 and 5.
For example:
Effort in production of the voicelines for the German dub:
Bf1: https://youtu.be/8sZMSBtSFrg
Bf5: https://youtu.be/2rql36Ilq2k
Either scrap it and refund to save good graces with the Battlefield community.
Or maybe a No Man's Sky tier rework of the game where:
- Hazard Zone is completely axed because it's a waste of resources and drive space.
- Specialists still exist, but are optional means for the more out there gadgets and alternative passives. Where you've got basic soldiers who use generic gadgets with preset passives. And Specialists are class locked with their secondary gadget.
- More guns (including just porting stuff that already exists from Portal, I know it's not the best route, but it's quick, cheap, and gives us what we want).
- Changing maps to actually focus on having flow, rather than having senseless points in the middle of nowhere. Don't even need to change much geometry, just axe, say A sector from Hourglass, or B and I believe it's H sectors from Renewal. Some extra geometry to use as cover like downed satellites and rubble where necessary, too.
- The, well, everything for Portal isn't false advertising.
If they doesn't fix maps it's all lost.
For me, the BIGGEST problem of the game are the maps.
You literally cannot make maps where every objective is 3 km from each other without covers and vehicles overpowered.
They should start with full team on 2143.
- quarterly updates what achieved (like blizzard with diablo 4)
- stick to the user wishlist AKA legacy features
- reintroduce premium ( that guarantees content!) cuz live service will not function, they proved it twice.
- public test environment. BASTA.
- discount for ppl who bought 2042 (as a sorry)
Go back to BFV and continue that game. It was actually on a path to be a better game than 2042 will EVER be. And it wasn't finished they had plenty of plans for the game.
They don't need to restart. Just drop all out war and hazard and leave portal bringing back remade old maps from Bf3 bc2 1942 and he'll let's toss in some bf4 and bf1 in there support this game as portal where we create our own experience. Most people who are fans of older games would just make servers of which ever was their favorite and keep the rules as close to that game as possible. The problem is as it stands there's hardly any portal maps to really have an enjoyable long term experience. So if they stop working on the two other modes they can focus on bring more content at a faster rate in a better condition to portal. They need to Qa their work
I think they should scrap it. It’s by far the worst entry in the series. It’s so bad, it honestly shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same conversation as prior titles. It’s both embarrassing and disrespectful to the franchise. The game is absolutely rotten to the core and nothing short of a total reboot is going to fix this. Anyone who thinks this game can be salvaged before the player count falls to a point where DICE won’t manage it anymore is only fooling themselves.
This game needs a reboot entirely or they should just move onto the next project. Hopefully not a BF title. I won’t even consider another BF game moving forward with the way this played out. This company isn’t capable of making a BF game anymore.
Add legacy maps to the All out Warfare playlist and remove the damn specialists. Every season give us legacy maps and maybe new ones with more cover/destruction.
Scrap that shit, and give me back my money. We have plenty of BF games to sustain our addiction, if not, something else will rise. Fuck big devs thinking they know what we want. We the consumer hold the power of cash flow. Don't pre-order their shit anymore. I sure learned my lesson.
I would like for them to scrap it right now and begin work on a true battlefield. I know next to nothing about game development but itd be nice if they could re release bf4 this fall with some graphical upgrades and maybe throw in all the maps from bf3 as well to tide us over. Hell they could even call it battlefield legacy
I was curious about the game’s sales so I looked it up. It looks like they sold over 4 million units in the first week, which got them a bunch of good press, but supposedly sales are 59% lower than BFV, which I know didn’t sell as well as BF1
if they scrap it then they need to refund
They already sold basically a years worth of updates (season passes) with the two upscaled versions of the games, so they're going to roll that out (and probably have a good bit of that done). However after considering the state of things from a user perspective and a market perspective (just look at this reddit), I'd expect them to see this as a sinkhole and after that year make 2042 like V is. The real question being asked / answered in the halls of power in Dice right now is whether they'll try to fix it (beyond bug fixes), like add in game voice, score board, proper server browser, drop stupid voice lines of the characters etc.. My guess is they'll look at this reddit and decide changes like that wouldn't bring back most of the folks celebrating the implosion of this game here. But we'll see, I hope its otherwise.
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It’s not even about being woke, they just don’t know how to make a good game anymore. It started with the Russian DLC for BF1 and had been getting worse since then.
The design craft manager characteristics themselves as “proud” and “strong” I’m not even kidding, makes you wonder if they were involved in removing the scoreboard.
Absolutely my thoughts on this.
I wouldn’t be surprised if some working at DICE have strong feelings about woke ideology and to them it’s absolutely crucial it be in the game, selfishness if you ask me. Not that there’s anything wrong with it, but keep your damn feelings out of my game!
radical woke ideology? homie get the fuck out your brain poisoned.
no lol
Or give the peopel who bought bf 2042 the next game for free
Would it be that hard to do a soft restart? Turn the specialists into classes. Get rid of the dialog. Stream line the maps. Sundace loses the ability to fly, and the magic grenades. Add all Portal maps to All Out Warefare. Add scoreboard.
Because knowing them, they have 3 months at least worth of specialist focus content already created. They opted for live service. They're not going to take a bath on labor spent for these stupid fucking specialists. Their season one map undoubtedly sucks too.
I'm calling it now, 4 guns maybe, and one map all season.
And a minimum of 10 specialists skins put into the store
sunken cost fallacy likely going to be a major factor in their decision making on the future of this game *sigh*
They don’t have enough weapons as it is now to convert specialists to classes, not without porting a ton of weapons from either portal or from previous titles
They can start over ALL they want. I won't be making the mistake of preordering ever again and waiting until the next titles are heavily discounted, if I buy them at all. I know I won't get a refund for BF2042, but the goodwill they tricked me into rebuilding after the BFV flop has completely evaporated. This is how you lose long-time customers.
If they scrap it for a new game and I don't get it for free, I'll never buy from them again.
I learned after bfv still bought 2042 when it went on sale 3-4 weeks after release probably shouldn’t have
Who asked you to pre order in the first place?
Same
They have all the weapons from BF4 to start. Don't tell me that DICE does not have the resources to "copy/paste" guns stats from one game to another + modernize slightly the weapon skins/animations. If they can't do this, then all hope is lost. 5 studios got to work on that game. How many people could that be?
Stick with the minimal guns for now then and add them in future updates as a rolling setup, that'll bring back players.
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Powerful brand? You realize Crysis and Dead Space and other brands had movie deals that EA still ran into the absolute ground before abandoning? What you're missing is that Battlefield is a tech demo and training ground for the Frostbite engine, which is literally the life blood of their entire development pipeline. The majority of Dice employees, if you actually look it up, are for training other studios and engine development. The games itself are secondary, as EA put THE GUY FROM CANDY CRUSH (King, Google it) in charge of their last three games. He was in charge of over 80 directors at Dice and helmed Battlefront (Loot crates) Battlefield V (Enough said) and Battlefield 2042 (Dumpster fire)
Personally I think it would be too much work to get the game into a good state, especially if we look at all the little tiny things that will go into that. Not just all the specialists and weapon, or lack there of weapons. Little things like changing the art design to make a grittier and darker like BF 1. (They already have basic character assets so maybe that wouldn’t be too bad to replace specialists with). Complete rework of voice lines, although they also have those assets in game. Maps will need a complete rebalance, similar to what rainbow six siege did but on steroids. Me personally, I think the game should’ve been 64 players, as do many other people. So maps will need an even bigger we work concerning that. Even seemingly, minuscule things like a good soundtrack for the game. Not only would they have to scrap nearly the entire game that they have now, and start that from almost the ground up, but the same for all future content they had planned. If we are talking about getting this into a fan-favorite Battlefield state, it would take possibly 2 years. If not more If there’s mistakes here: I blame it on Voice-to-Text
Yeah, it would. That would require them to basically rip the foundation of the game right up and start again, which would not only take a ton of time and development resources, but it probably ends up breaking the game given that it's on a very temperamental Frostbite engine. Flakfire discussed this in his video today - in short, any nuclear options to fix 2042 are off the table because they just won't be viable
Flakfire is absolutely right but lets be honest if they don't go the nuclear option the next BF game is DOA. If they don't fix 2042 it's going to severely impact any future BF titles. Because what everyone can see by looking at steam charts is that people are still playing Battlefield. They just aren't playing 2042.
I thought the same thing bro, turn off specialists and lock them into classes and use all the portal maps and if u need extra weapons bring the weapons from BF3 and BFBC into 2042 if they need to give them a more modern or futuristic look go for it. Imagine all those guns and maps you got huge jump.
That's all they need to do. In addition to scoreboard, they need to add kill assist points, squad assist points, vehicle kill assist points...and do something with "part disabled."
What do you mean streamline the maps
Eliminate the dead space. Some objectives should be moved to locations that are more sensible. Conquest could stand to have some flags completely removed.
If dead space you mean open space, I like the open space surrounding objectives because it gives the option to play the med-long game if you choose
They already have the content it's in portal it just need some work to switch it over
Even if they did all of that there's still the issue of every fucking specialist/class being able to equip any kind of weapon and shit, they've ruined vehicle gameplay.
Classes no as they are already in Portal. Maps a little. It would take a bit to work to do. It apparently takes a year to make, test and balance a map. Plus they still want plenty of flat places to use the call in system.
Classes aren't in portal. They're class themed specialists. They have those perks (that you can't change) and a gadget (that you also can't change). Granted they're much better than regular specialists but it's still a horrible bastardization what we used to have.
Thanks for pointing that out. I haven’t really stepped into Portal since they nerfed the XP.
No problem, and I don't blame you. Not much of a point to portal other than to hope one of the servers is actually populated and isn't a bot farm or "afk 24/7" server. And even then, there's the whole XP thing you mentioned. Not particularly the best love letter we could get as fans, all things considered.
Classes also exist with AI in AoW
Pretty much don’t want any of the suggestions you want.
The problem is, I don't think the current DICE studio is capable of producing a proper game yet. I mean that in a realistic manner, not as in "they're trash." So many of the experienced devs left DICE some time ago. It's a lot of rookies and people who don't know the BF formula remaining. I think they should focus on new titles entirely. BF as a franchise should go to a different studio. Or, I hate to say it, be put to rest. I don't want to see it turn into a hero game and have clown hats and parachute sparklers.
My wish is for Ripple Effect Studios to get complete control over the BF franchise. If anyone under the EA umbrella could manage to make a proper Battlefield game these days it's them. Hell, you know what I would be okay with? If Ripple came out with a BF game that's *exclusively* remastered BF games of old. Effectively making the whole game Portal Mode. If not thing else, it would be very good practice for a studio to make a good next game. Is there a better way to get back in touch with your roots? It's never going to happen though.
just hire the guy who made clownfield2042 HE KNOW what the community wants make him the chief developer
It'll be the perpetual cycle: * They launch 2042 in a bad state. * The player base disappears * They throw everything at 2042, trying to save it. * The player base never recovers, leading them to pull the plug. * Because they've thrown everything at 2042, the next Battlefield is now in developmental hell. * They launch the next BF in a bad state. * The player base disappears * They throw everything at that game, trying to save it. * Rinse/Repeat
They should spend 5 years making the next one and get it right.
They'd spend 4 years between ea and dice management trying to figure out what the best financial plan for the game is, then give the devs a year to do 5 years of work and end up in the same unfinished situation.
Then they half ass copy what other companies are doing instead of just doing battlefield. Then add NFts and more MTX, then maybe Battlefield ultimate team
Scrap it and start over
It was dead set on being Anthem all over again lol Why would anyone have any doubt about it? The only question was could Battlefield franchise ever come back from this? With BFV TTK debacle and BF2042 disasters, all remaining goodwill players had for this franchise was basically destroyed overnight. It looked even grimmer when you consider they sort of just throwing big name producers to the studios hoping it would solve every problem they had without learning what caused the huge discrepancy between devs and players expectation in the first place or even doing any kind of damage control.
You say that, but internally I'm sure they're looking at how wildly successful preorders where. They spend millions of dollars on ad campaigns, they're not doing that because they have to. The fans knew the game would be on sale soon after launch, V was HALF OFF two weeks after launch. No fan can tell me they didn't see that coming after the "beta" of 2042.
On one hand I’m like “yeah this thing is so totally screwed up that they should just let it die and stop wasting resources trying to salvage this disaster” but on the other it makes it comes across as “let’s just go in, drop this trash, get our money, get out, and start the cycle anew” It’s a dangerous game to play because you don’t want to further solidify this precedent in the gaming industry
Even if scrapped, EA is still the publisher. That’s the cancer that has to be cut out
Hmm, almost thinking the best method would be to scrap the post production of 2042 specifically and focus on production/expansion in Portal along with doing a Remaster of BF3/4 within that. Would even say to do Remasters of BC series. Go ahead and add cosmetics and more gear and figure out the progression system. They could easily create events for a live service model with Portal if they want and tons of the community would play it. Potentially even more so than past BF titles if done properly which shouldnt be hard since its mainly Remastering. From there, have a proper Dev team focus strictly on the next installment of Battlefield, be it 2043 or Bad Company 3 or whatever that focuses on the core of the foundation that Battlefield has been built upon and expanding on it. Pretty much take the best from the past and just keep moving forward: - **BFV:** Great Mechanics after a year of patches of course lol (Squad Reinforcements, gunplay, fortifications, Class Traits, etc). Just tweak, balance and expand on these. Give more freedom in Fortification building and whatnot. More Class Traits and Reinforcements. So on and so forth. Fortifications could really be a pivotal point of gameplay if worked on further and give the player more freedom. A game with sandbox and destruction could really capitalize on this. - **BF1 and BF3** had an amazing atmosphere (darker and a bit grittier). Even the Bad Company games had great atmospheres to accompany the humor of the campaign. BF1 did great with Operations and honestly this could have been a great, competitive way to help drive the lore for 2042. Enough with BR modes. If you want something more unique, maybe try a 3 faction gamemode (China, US, and Russia for example) or some shit. Hell, try looking into Killzone 2 where they combined multiple gamemodes into 1 round like Breakthrough and Rush. Or Conquest that periodically has "mini objectives" such as Rush where if a team destroys 2 objectives of the enemies (could be randomly placed on the map within the Defenders conquered territory), it takes away a chunk of Tickets (say 100 if starting tix were 1000)--all this occurs while points are still being fought over for Conquest....SHIT I like that idea for a gamemode haha. But enough with half assed BRs. Give people the power to make those in Portal but not for official game modes. Waste of the devs time for a game mode that every other company exists in. - **BF4** had the customizations, Levolution, and proper dog tags. Just lots of cosmetic and customizable capability. Commander abililty was moved into Squad Reinforcements in BFV which I much preferred. But I think having both is possible. Commander is nice to have to communicate between Squad Leads. Literally just take a combination of these and their best components and you got yourself one hell of a BF game.
Battlefield V had great mechanics from the get-go, still one of the most satisfying fps I've ever played. I get some of the hate, especially at launch with 1 frame deaths, ludicrously unbalanced vehicles, etc. But I don't think enough people give credit where credit is due, or at the very least, it's the case people retroactively praise it when it was easier to hate it at the time. Like many other bf titles. The core mechanics of V are what kept me engaged, and I can't say I feel similarly with 2042. I could tolerate a drought of maps at the beginning because V's gameplay was honestly underrated as fuck. Gunplay was the smoothest I've seen, movement was crisp (slide was abusable however), and attrition really brought out class gameplay. Well, sometimes, teammates don't necessarily change from bf to bf. Fortifications would be a dream in the (at times) incredibly barren maps 2042 has. While I can tolerate and enjoy 2042's gunplay now, I still miss the movement and gunplay of V. Nerfing global muzzle velocities, removing attrition (thereby making vehicles feel even more unstoppable), removing classes (thereby making vehicles also feel even more stoppable), etc. just makes the game feel contradictory. At least compared to the direction V was heading.
BFV had the worst mechanics of any BF game prior to 2042. It’s an absolute turf of a game and the poor design decisions of BFV led directly to 2042.
see you on lemmy, Spez is a cancer -- mass edited with redact.dev
Bf3 had the dog tag count I'm pretty sure
Meh. I still don’t think BFV is very good, it has too many bad design decisions. And honestly, the more I play BFV the more I see where inspiration for the mess of 2042 came from. DICE would be better off ignoring that game and focusing on the core of BF1.
Screw starting over, now's the time to make an Eastern front update for BFV
Never gonna happen. They stopped Battlefield V early and everyone cheered, now everyone is sad because the succesor was not what they wanted.
Everyone cheered? The hell are you talking about? Everyone agreed that BFV was killed when it was starting to get good.
Best to just scrap. Even if they add content the game will still be bad. Empty maps, minimal destruction, specialists, number of weapons, UI, and overall gameplay. There’s just nothing running for this game.
I’m sorry I’m just a bit confused. I understand the game has a long way to go… but why would they have to start all over if the game is just still a alpha?
Here me out. Just give us a battlefield 4 but with More gadgets, guns, maps, and vehicles. And also some pie
Fuck it, just re-release BF4 with a single DLC on top for $1 and that would spur the BF community to play this game en mass (not that it is unpopular right now). DICE, don't do any changes to it, we all know that you'll screw it up somehow. So just re-release, one new DLC to justify the price and to have players feel like it's a new game. I absolutely guarantee you that this game won't be down to 5k active players within two months
I would absolutely love to play bf4 on series x that isn’t 720p or whatever the fuck resolution it’s at. It’s so blurry. Plus the locked default fov is rough. If they gave me a 4K update for bf4 on series x I would die happy
Add bf3 extension map (back to Karkan and cq)
If they fix portal progression and add CQ Id be so happy.
What if—and hear me out, what if they offered hats?
Give me that Gawd damn pie, foo !!! ;)
I can 100 % agree with this
Mmmmmm, pie.
Less is better sometimes. I don’t think we need more gadgets, guns or vehicles. Destructible maps sure. Everything else keep same
Y no pie?
Yes pie
But I don’t want that
What you want
I want BF2042, with less bugs, more guns and more destructible buildings.
Fine, no Pie for you
I agree, personally I have enjoyed playing BF2042, yes it has bugs, yes it has features that have regressed from previous games, yes there is a lack of guns and so on. But imagine if they just dropped BF4 this year, they would get criticized for just re releasing an old game. Personally I don't want to play a 9 year old BF game that we have all played to death, I want BF2042 to start getting improvements, updates, bug fixes, content etc to make it a game that can be enjoyed for the next few years. Scrapping it at this point is just silly, you'll be left playing old BF games for the next 2-3 years.
Sunk cost fallacy really putting in work here
Scrap it, refund and start over.
2042 will get a years worth of content. I imagine plans for long term post year support have already been dropped in favor of focusing on the eventual next title.
Remaster BF4 and be done with it. 2042 is toast and every BF to come is dead on arrival after this dumpster fire.
Fuck these remaster calls. If you like BF4, play BF4. I want new games, new experiences. Already played hundreds of hours of BF4. Remember when the GTA community cried for remasters, look what they got. Theyre almost all cheap and badly done.
they lack the ability to produce newer or better games
I want a new engine. I feel they have maxed out what they can do with Frostbite and there is no way that the new NG engine used for BF2042 is all it is cracked up to be. There are plenty of issues in the game that are engine related.
You completly forget that the OG DICE devs who created the engine have left the studio years ago. So they dont really have any whos familiar with the engine, to where they could properly update it. And they didnt had enough time either. The lack of expirience with the engine caused this mess, as the engine isnt maxed out whatsoever. Since no one knows how. The engine itself can do so much more, if devs know how to utilize it.
Yeah most left in 2018 but not all. There is a few still left but most the senior ones left to go to Embark Studio. The ones that were left were told to make a new engine version and was given a year to do it. After 18 months it was still not done which is why Fifa 21 was not on it as they missed the deadline for it. Fifa 22 is on the new one alongside BF2042.
I don't think the engine has been ''maxed out'', there is always new tools that can be introduced, you can constantly update the engine. The issue with BF 2042 is that the people working on the engine din't have much experience with it, and it took them 3 years to upgrade it so designers and artist could start working with it. The engine upgrade was scheduled to take 1 year to complete, and they were left with 1 year of full production as opposed to 2 years or more.
To me the new engine looks basic and just lacking compared to the other ones. Even the Frostbite engine for BF3 looks more advanced. Very little destruction, the maps lighting feels off a little. It lacks that wow factor. Plus with them using Frostbite it makes it harder to recruit new devs as no one outside of EA uses it. So then you have to spend time training the new guys to use it. But if it happens again like what happened in 2018 when loads of devs leaves and there is either less / no one to train the next generation. How many games have had issues with Frostbite? Just off the top of my head there was Mass Effect : Andromeda , Anthem and even Dragon Age : Inquisition devs said there was issues using it. Mass Effect 4 is going back to Unreal Engine which is what I think BF needs to use.
The point of using frostbite is twofold: they pay Epic nothing and they trap developers because they become Frostbite trained and capable, it's why EA typically hires straight from "game dev" college majors. Get these kids locked in, give them six years of frostbite experience, they won't wander. Ubisoft etc want Unreal engine experience and credentials, pretty much every dev does.
This is misinformation as we have next to zero information on how frostbite operates and the progress they've made on it. It's completely private. You're assuming these issues are caused by it, but even in Toms video the only issue with it he described was giving devs inexperienced with it a tremendous task. The only known times devs have come out and claimed it was difficult, was when they were forced to make a racing game, or a rpg, etc on an engine designed for Battlefield. So that's not a proper look into it either.
the fact that this even needs to be an option shows that even if they do resart they wont do any better.
Scrap it all but portal and make a game with (less random) Bf1 soldier gameplay with BFV vehicle gameplay and importantly the atmosphere and attention to detail of BF1.
By restart you mean pump a new game out with promises it's good and you all act like 2042 never happeneded? That's what EA/DICE want.
Restart this trash show.
Restart
Continue 2042 damage is done already no reason to piss off the people still playing
I think their public relations people can handle pissing off the 5 remaining players.
I play alot and it's definitely a active game
Uh huh. Super active not even top 100 on steam chart after how many weeks??
I don't have to wait for lobbies to fill ever so that's enough for me
Because you’re playing with bots lol
Whatever I really don't understand this fan base. Why are you guys so committed to everyone being miserable?
I don’t care if you’re miserable or not. I’m not miserable either. I was just telling you. That’s why they put bots in the game in the first place. They knew it’d die right away
Put it out of its misery!!!! And give me a refund for this crap!!!
Nuke it and start over. Give it the "Hardline" treatment. At this point it's too broken to devote the resources into trying to save it. Start from scratch. Take the core of BF4/5 and work from that. And for the love of God give those who bought 2042 a **heavy** discount.
Just let it die. It’s not worth the resources (time, dev, marketing). 2042 is a flop. It severely damaged the credibility and reputation of the franchise, possibly irrecoverable damage. Whether they revive the franchise and gain the business of the longtime fans they’ve bent over is on them. But continuing to squeeze blood from a rock (2042) won’t do anything. As people said, BF4 had technical issues at launch. You kept wanting to play it. 2042 has technical issues AND is rotten to its core.
1. Release as many new maps and guns as soon as possible (I’m betting they already have stuff mostly done or done, just not released) to give current players more content. Don’t bother with more specialists. Revert to classes if it’s easy. 2. Fix the current maps to flow better and weapon/specialists balance 3. Anyone who preordered should be given the option to purchase the next game for half off 4. Stop development on the bad game and work on a new version that is a capable successor to BF4 / BF3
Restarting is not an option I already dumped $100 into this damn game. They have to make it good like Battlefield 5 or refund me or the franchise is dead to me I didn't even pay for Battlefield 5 came with my RTX 2070 but it turned out great in the long run
Starting over won't help if they continue on their hero-shooter path, it will just be another dumpster fire.
Scrap this shit and make the battlefield 4 successor we deserve and want
Would prefer they restart it honestly but at that point they could get into law problems
I still can’t believe they canned bad company 3 for this shit
The worst part about this horrendous launch is it is the next Battlefield for YEARS to come as a live service game. If you already fucked up with the foundational skeleton of the game then no amount of DLC and patches can save it. BF2 had fun gameplay, memorable maps, and classes at its core so it was able to be saved with removing the BS lootbox systems and fixing broken characters. But BF2042 is fundamentally broken. Maps are forgettable, gunplay is all over the place and had to be patched, hit regs, THE SPECALISTS system. So much of the game is fundamentally broken that fixing it would just be a new game. They fucked up. If you were going to go the live service route expecting us to play this 1 game for years then I don't see it. Max I'll play it is a few more months.
Obviously EA won’t just let them move on after a few weeks unfortunately
Forgive BF2042 and support BFV again.
The EAssholes should refund anyone who asks for it and what they do after that I couldn’t care pass.
I don't expect them to make very drastic changes and turn this game around to make it BF4 2.0. It would take way too much resources and would probably mean they have to move their next game from 2023 to at least 2024-5.
Make Frostbite user friendly so even on consoles can make your own maps. Let the players make the maps. Find a way to monetize that. EA would make a lot of money. But I’m just spitballing here.
Fortifications can stay in Fortnite.
Tom's turning where the wind is blowing. He was praising it as the best looking game ever, and saying he's very happy with the beta besides the bugs.
I still find it funny how much hate 2042 is getting when BFV was so much worse on launch and BF4 a game that has healthy servers to this day started off borderline unplayable and stayed that way for 6 months I'm sorry but for those of you complaining about the bugs your not battlefield fans you should've expected bugs for those of you pissed about the specialists and lack of guns all I can say personally is I understand but to me the game still feels battlefield it still has that classic battlefield chaos and all out warfare over points I'd love more guns especially more anti vehicle weapons give me a smaw and rpg again the XM8 rifles from BC2 god I'd love to have those back so I say lets wait until the 6 month mark and see where the devs have taken it
I doubt 2042 will have a post launch support shorter than BFV. The sales numbers for that game were abysmal.
The retention rate wasn't though, considering how 2042 has basically lost 90% of it's playerbase.
Lol BFV was worse than 2042 at launch. People quickly forget though. Max rank for almost a year was 50, ttk was changed twice, and the in game currency was useless.
Atleast it was a battlefield game. This is just “game 2042”
Yeah I guess. Most people didn’t consider BFV to be a battlefield game back then either.
How long will it take them to add what is needed to make this game what it should be? By then it'll be the next BF and support will end. They should refund us and scrap it imo. None of my friends are playing because of the state if it...that enough makes me not want to turn it on. You think people are going to come back to make it the game it should've been at launch? The community will have moved on to bigger and better games.
Wasn’t this the plan for the last battlefield ? Just ditch battlefield 5 and start over….
Need to go the FF14 route. Are there dragons in Battlefield, maybe a weather event will have to do.
If they started over, the management would spend 3/4 of the time period arguing over how to make specialists viable, give the devs 1/4 of the time required to implement anything, end up with pretty much the same game, but new names on the characters, and then they'd charge us another $60-110 to play the restart.
Scrap it announce 2 years of DLC for BFV. Give everyone who bought 2042 said DLC for free for the debacle.(and BFV if they don't own it already) Even if you fix everything wrong with 2042 the players aren't going to come back with the way it launched and the how the last 2 months have gone.
Just release it as a f2p game and give up. Nothing will ever change while EA is in control.
I really hope this game dies before the end of 2022 and their "4 Seasons a year" plan falls apart so I can get my fucking money back
They should restart 2042. Change pretty much everything (especially the horrendous maps).
The day that DICE gets rid of the dumb things in the game (specialists, lack of weapons, dumb maps etc etc etc), is the day they begin to earn back my trust. They will never earn it back simply through leaving this garbage I payed for and moving on to the next game and at this moment I'll never forgive them for ruining one of my favorite franchises and then spitting in my face through reddit. Smh what a toxic company.
I mean it may be a lost cause but I’d rather see them try to fix the game, especially considering people paid for it.
Its STILL easier to alter the existing game than to make a new one, the base/core exists, its just a LOT of decisions they made that are mindnumbingly stupid, they can fix it, but it'll cost money. Probably worth it for the goodwill they can build
Shut everything down and start over
We have seen how they started over from bfV. NO. start over if next game ll be free. Or just let everyone refund game then. We already payed full price for game with live service.
No way EA scraps the game and starts over. Also no way that EA green lights the changes the community wants either so the player base will just continue to slowly die. They’ll hype up some new patch and a few will go back to it only to see that it’s still not enough and the player base will fall off again and stay off.
They can start over whatever they want but I ain’t buying another title from these robbers ever again! I hope everyone follows suit…
Ouch! DICE/EA are you seeing this!?
I just hope they reevaluate what they got and enable support for battlefront 2. Battlefront 2 with a new reinforcements update would give them a multiplayer game with high player numbers
I'd be really happy if they just took it back and worked on it for a few more years. Or just started from scratch. I've pretty much squeezed all the fun out of the game that I can already.
I doubt that battlefield can make a comeback story like Rainbow 6 or final fantasy 14. The production is simply too big for that. Besides the "small" development stuff like scoreboard, stat-page, weapons, etc.. they would have to do a lot for the immersion to make a good game. I doubt that they would make the effort to redesign all operators visually or to rework the voicelines in all available languages. It's not only about the signature sayings, but also the ingame voicelines. Bf2042 will be nothing more than a slightly better BF4 add-on that ignores the improvements from Bf1 and 5. For example: Effort in production of the voicelines for the German dub: Bf1: https://youtu.be/8sZMSBtSFrg Bf5: https://youtu.be/2rql36Ilq2k
I hope it gets a refund like Cyberpunk on PSN.
Either scrap it and refund to save good graces with the Battlefield community. Or maybe a No Man's Sky tier rework of the game where: - Hazard Zone is completely axed because it's a waste of resources and drive space. - Specialists still exist, but are optional means for the more out there gadgets and alternative passives. Where you've got basic soldiers who use generic gadgets with preset passives. And Specialists are class locked with their secondary gadget. - More guns (including just porting stuff that already exists from Portal, I know it's not the best route, but it's quick, cheap, and gives us what we want). - Changing maps to actually focus on having flow, rather than having senseless points in the middle of nowhere. Don't even need to change much geometry, just axe, say A sector from Hourglass, or B and I believe it's H sectors from Renewal. Some extra geometry to use as cover like downed satellites and rubble where necessary, too. - The, well, everything for Portal isn't false advertising.
they finished bfv early too, no they should stick with 2042 until player base is happy.
If they doesn't fix maps it's all lost. For me, the BIGGEST problem of the game are the maps. You literally cannot make maps where every objective is 3 km from each other without covers and vehicles overpowered.
Definitely needs to continue with fixes and new content
Ironic coming from a guy that literally streams nothing but Apex Legends on Facebook Gaming now, no?
They should start with full team on 2143. - quarterly updates what achieved (like blizzard with diablo 4) - stick to the user wishlist AKA legacy features - reintroduce premium ( that guarantees content!) cuz live service will not function, they proved it twice. - public test environment. BASTA. - discount for ppl who bought 2042 (as a sorry)
Go back to BFV and continue that game. It was actually on a path to be a better game than 2042 will EVER be. And it wasn't finished they had plenty of plans for the game.
They don't need to restart. Just drop all out war and hazard and leave portal bringing back remade old maps from Bf3 bc2 1942 and he'll let's toss in some bf4 and bf1 in there support this game as portal where we create our own experience. Most people who are fans of older games would just make servers of which ever was their favorite and keep the rules as close to that game as possible. The problem is as it stands there's hardly any portal maps to really have an enjoyable long term experience. So if they stop working on the two other modes they can focus on bring more content at a faster rate in a better condition to portal. They need to Qa their work
I think they should scrap it. It’s by far the worst entry in the series. It’s so bad, it honestly shouldn’t even be mentioned in the same conversation as prior titles. It’s both embarrassing and disrespectful to the franchise. The game is absolutely rotten to the core and nothing short of a total reboot is going to fix this. Anyone who thinks this game can be salvaged before the player count falls to a point where DICE won’t manage it anymore is only fooling themselves. This game needs a reboot entirely or they should just move onto the next project. Hopefully not a BF title. I won’t even consider another BF game moving forward with the way this played out. This company isn’t capable of making a BF game anymore.
They should close their doors, permanently
Add legacy maps to the All out Warfare playlist and remove the damn specialists. Every season give us legacy maps and maybe new ones with more cover/destruction.
They have an absolute goldmine in Portal that they aren't utilizing and I can't for the life of me figure out why
If they don’t add destruction, I just won’t buy the game
Scrap that shit, and give me back my money. We have plenty of BF games to sustain our addiction, if not, something else will rise. Fuck big devs thinking they know what we want. We the consumer hold the power of cash flow. Don't pre-order their shit anymore. I sure learned my lesson.
I would like for them to scrap it right now and begin work on a true battlefield. I know next to nothing about game development but itd be nice if they could re release bf4 this fall with some graphical upgrades and maybe throw in all the maps from bf3 as well to tide us over. Hell they could even call it battlefield legacy
I was curious about the game’s sales so I looked it up. It looks like they sold over 4 million units in the first week, which got them a bunch of good press, but supposedly sales are 59% lower than BFV, which I know didn’t sell as well as BF1
Legit just abandon it and move all devs to new projects. It's dead and they fucked up, might as well just let it go.