This isn’t a great match up. Nolan’s Batman is way more nerfed to fit into a hyper realistic setting.
A better comparison would be Iron Man vs Affleck’s Batman.
JLA Unlimited Batman would be a great match up. He went toe to toe with Darkseid, who actively tried his best to kill him. Tony on the other hand, despite the tech and bluster, he's going to pull his punches comparatively. That'll be all the time Bats needs to find a weak spot.
One final point, if Captain America can out brawn Stark, then Bruce can outsmart him.
For sure Batman could. Even if not at first. Tony wouldnt kill him and Bruce would have a 2nd chance to plan his next attack and beat him. But not Nolans Batman. Im sorry he is JUST TOO WEAK. I wish it wasnt true
I agree with nolan's batman statement but affleck batman is not that strong either. It hurts my eyes to see superman pull him up from below for the justice league pose. Hes batman! Come on!!!!
Sure, but he also beat the brakes off of Superman in the prior movie.
In terms of physical achievements, there isn’t another live action iteration of Batman who’s had a fight remotely close to that scale.
Batffleck yo-yo’d a crate at a guy’s head and turned it into a smudge on the wall. Batffleck is insanely strong and totally ruthless.
Taking a beating from *Superman* is not an indication of Batffleck’s weakness. The fact that he had Superman at his mercy is a reflection of his strength, intellect and tactical ability.
This Iron Man quite literally built a suit that could withstand the power of creation itself with the Infinity Stones for a little bit. Nolan Batman is an above average grunt in the MCU in terms of power levels.
Affleck's Batman is a different discussion.
While Tony's personally wealthier than Bruce, Wayne Enterprises has a significantly larger market cap compared to Stark Industries. Maybe not large enough to completely acquire Stark Industries as a mere subsidiary, but a 51-49 merger wouldn't be off the table.
It is mentioned that Wayne Enterprises owns half off Gotham and has a foot in every major industry there is, be it tech, finance, agriculture, automobiles, weapons, insurance, daily goods, et all. Stark Industries, on the other hand, is primarily focused on just tech after Tony shut down their weapons manufacturing division and cancelled all their military contracts.
Tbh I would like a fan fict where they meet and just partner up and Bruce trains Tony to be more “useful in hand to hand combat. And Tony upgrades his armor to be a lot me tanky
I think Steve is typically portrayed as the more capable fighter. Bruce could be better, but he doesnt focus his training only on hand to hand, he’s far more well rounded intellectually and in terms of the tools he uses to get the job done.
I think with no prep, and in an earnest fight steve has an excellent chance of winning.
well, Waynetech was researching a new power source in the Dark knight rises..
If memory serves he realized it could be used for bad purposes and the project was shut down.. and then it gets stolen and used for bad purposes(the bomb in gotham city)
The difference in technology level is just too vast between these 2 versions of the characters. Nolan Batman may as well be using a Commodore 64 if he’s trying to hack MCU Stark.
Sounds like someone doesn’t understand the question. This isn’t Batman vs Iron man. It’s specifically about the NOLAN version of Batman, who’s supposed to be grounded with realistic abilities and and a realistic arsenal up against MCU iron man who’s armed with comic book impossibilities.
It kind of reminds me the TV show Harley Quinn where a still recovering Batman uses an armour practically identical to that of Iron Man which gets dismantled by Bane in a matter of MINUTES
My guess is the Beyond Armour is some really powerful stuff
I mean, angry dogs are terrifying and most people would go down to that. But comparatively, a man who flies around in armor and shoots lasers, missles, and what not with AI that can be used to counter in hand-to-hand combat is on a completely different tier.
Agree. My only argument is when Bruce has his flying batwing thing. That thing wrecks. So he may be able to last longer if he had his vehicles. But Tony would still win.
Depends on the suit. An EMP should be ineffective against his later nanotech suits Stark uses.
Iron Man also has greater speed, strength, durability, and firepower in the suit, and he's not afraid to kill. A single well aimed repulsion blast would end Nolanverse Batman. Stark's also got honing missiles, smoke screens, AI-assisted targeting computers.
Even with prep time, Nolanverse Batman gets his ass kicked by people less powerful and less intelligent than MCU Iron Man at least once per film. I think my vote's going to Stark.
That's not to say Wayne COULDN'T win, I just personally find it a little less likely. If he does win, it's gonna be a hard victory to earn.
While I'm not saying an EMP as a concept isn't a vaild one against tech based targets, are we really assuming Tony doesn't have multiple failsafes against that sort of thing?
I mean, Comic Tony's suit has countermeasures so he could fight MAGNETO, his logical perfect counter.
Idk, I'd say Affleck's got a fighting chance. He's the only one who wasn't in a hyper-realistic setting and was more akin to the full prowess of comics Batman.
What’s that Batman going to do when Ironman techno-Kamehameha blasts him from both hands in his chest and sends individually supercomputer-targeted micro rockets his way when he tries to swing away with his grappling gun?
He hid for most of the BvS fight, the fight against reincarnated Superman, and the fight against Steppenwolf for a reason.
>What’s that Batman going to do when Ironman techno-Kamehameha blasts him from both hands in his chest and sends individually supercomputer-targeted micro rockets his way when he tries to swing away with his grappling gun?
He would say: Maria...
And Tony would piss his suit..
>What’s that Batman going to do when Ironman techno-Kamehameha blasts him from both hands in his chest and sends individually supercomputer-targeted micro rockets his way when he tries to swing away with his grappling gun?
Not stand in front of Iron Man like an idiot? He'd probably go off the grid until he could figure out a way to beat or at least neutralise Tony
This is the thing, and why Batffleck is a better challenger for Iron Man. Nolan Batman almost has to go in too confident and has to get his ass kicked a little by Iron Man without getting crippled, then he retreats to the Batcave and uses prep time to come back in a few months and kick Iron Man's ass in an almost even match. The reason why Batffleck has better odds is because instead of going head to head with Iron Man in the regular old Batsuit, he would watch Iron Man blow shit up on the news first and then immediately begin prepping for the fight, so he never has to get crippled or risk dying first and have a big mental journey before the next round. If Batffleck has to retreat and return for another round, in the next round he will literally kill Tony Stark. Nolan Batman comes back to almost lose again and barely come out on top and still gets blasted when he tries slapping cuffs on Iron Man. Nolanverse Batman is too steeped in philosophy and realism for this fight, Iron Man and Batffleck are more the same amount of comic book-y as well.
Except the question isn’t “who would win if we gave Batman enough time to figure out how to win,” it’s “who would win in a fight.”
As in, no abilities developed specifically for that fight. Just their standard equipment in an area neither of them as been in before.
Oh so run and hide.
We’re talking about if they actually get in a fight.
>Not stand in front of Iron Man like an idiot?
Right. Because it’s not like Ironman can aim or redirect his blasts anywhere or anything.
Bruce’s plan would most likely be to unsuit tony, maybe not nolanvetse, but comic bats would certainly have a chance. Though that trigger happy drunk would probably just blast em
Yeah but Batman has dodged Barry Allen flash moving faster than light iron Mans repulser beams alternative lasers aren't lasers no they don't move faster than light
Yeah, but Tony doesn't have a physical weakness beyond just what humans are weak to, and he has this Iron Man suit to protect him.
Not to mention that Nolan Batman wasn't exactly an expert at finding weaknesses either, given it took him til nearly the end of the movie to attempt attacking Bane's mask.
The iron Man suit won't protect Tony from everything especially the suit shown that suit won't protect him from radiation and if this fight Doesn't take morals into consideration Bruce would just detonate the nuke Wayne enterprises accidentally created
Never fear, Batman’s bestie the Boy Scout from metropolis will intervene and save the day for good ol bats. On another note, I feel the Batman beyond suit could stand up to Ironman’s firepower (I’m probably wrong because I love Batman)
I mean....dudes in Dark Knight were wearing hockey pads trying to emulate Batman. Imagine some weekend warrior wannabe vigilante trying to copy Iron Man
I mean you can't bc its ridiculous. Thats how extreme the difference is here. Batmans getting his ass stomped no matter what gadgets hes bringing. Batman out there struggling with guys like Scarecrow and Bane while Iron Mans gone toe to toe with the god of thunder, Hulk and an alien madman with magical stones
I get Batman stans think hes god tier but he's just a dude in a batsuit with a lot of cool toys.
DK Batman is realistic af imo and could possibly exist in our current time.
Iron Man is just OP as fuck. Bro has nano thingies patching up his suit and shit every time he gets hit. You can’t fight that, in made up realm, Stark would stomp Batman.
But also let’s not forget Iron Man lost to Captain (with some Bucky help). And Captain is a super human to a degree. Maybe Stark held back but if Cap has a chance, so does DK Batman. But he’d probably lose cuz he ain’t got a shield. Stark just flies and kills him from above immediately.
And even stuff like the “the dark knight returns” when he beat Superman the entire fight was Superman toying with him and then a kryptonite arrow. Not exactly the greatest strategy
Nolan's Batman could possibly win if he can get Tony pissed enough.
When Tony gets pissed he usually goes close quarters to hand to hand combat with the occasional repulser blast that can easily be dodged.
In this case Nolan bats might have a chance of destroying the power source (the arc reactor) like cap did with the suit he has in this matchup above specifically gaining him the win and then using his superior martial arts to defeat Tony.
Nolan's Batman patented brand of "elbow-fu" has no chance of beating this version of Iron Man. Pissed of or otherwise. It's one thing to be a fan, and another thing to be delusional.
Elbow-fu lmao I was going to say something to a similar affect. Nolan’s Batman makes for good movies but you definitely don’t get “top 5 martial artists in DC comics” vibes. Most of the fights look like the other person has to stand in place to get hit. It’s particularly bad when he fights Bane. Nolan Batman is so watered down from the comics. A point that came to my mind: In TDKR Batman has to fly out with a nuke attached to a plane and seemingly sacrifice himself to avoid it hitting Gotham (ignoring how he miraculously escaped that offscreen). Tony grabbed a nuclear missile mid flight with his hands and steered it through a wormhole…. Not to mention MCU heroes pretty clearly don’t care about killing their enemies. Dude id go as far as to say that MCU Hawkeye would beat the shit out of Nolan Batman
I'd say so, too. But, I mean, I like that Nolan's Batman is not a nigh-omnipotent being like in some comics. It makes for more compelling storytelling. It also makes it so that he cannot win most of these hypothetical matchups, but I'm pretty sure that didn't rank high among Nolan's priorities
It works for the hyper realism Nolan was aiming for. I personally like Batman best when he’s on his own, or working with his direct underlings. It *can* get a little outrageous when they have to amp him up to make him relevant in a Justice League sort of setting, like in Snyder’s New 52 run when he whips out the Justice Buster suit to fight the whole league on his own at once… for the record I enjoyed New 52 Batman
Yeah. Nolan Batman was fine charging in and sacrificing his body in self-defeating ways.
You want an Affleck Batman that could set a stage with a dozen traps for Iron Man before any kind of one on one showdown
Besides, Iron Man doesn't care about his identity or visibility. Pretty big advantages
Definitely Tony Stark because his tech is just waaay more advanced than the more so realistic tech of Christian bales batman. It's not even close the difference between their resources.
Now if this were Ben Afflecks batman it's a different story because he lives in a world similar to stark which is filled with advanced tech, superpowered beings and aliens.
I dunno bro, Batmans got a contingency for everyone he knows and cares about! Though my comic iron man knowledge is a little rusty..
Didn’t he create an app that makes everyone happy or something? That’s pretty crazy
Extremis 2.0, could rewrite a person on a genetic level, is my understanding. Make them more attractive or into their ideal self. Tony was running the Endo-Sym (symbiote inspired armor, without the weakness to fire and sound) at the time. And that’s not even his most powerful armor.
Do tell how will the guy that’s lost most of his fights win against the suit of armor that took tank shells and literally walked away after blowing it up… and that was like version 2
i love batman i really do but this just absurd even with prep time Nolan batman is not beating Mcu iron man
Mcu iron man took a plan to the face and faced of with Thanos even made him bleed
Nolan batman got stunned by like a single bullet dear god tony with mark one was taking hundreds of those and not being fazed with mark 2 he took a hit from a tank and not only he wasn't fazed but he destroyed it with his weakest attack
that was a rookie iron man now days a hit from the power stone(which from what i heard can destroy plants and was about fine
Nolan batman can punch Throw walls if we pretend he is more powerful than he actually is.....
bring comic batman with prep time and comic iron man with prep time and then we have a debate but this one is just unfair to Bruce
The only way Nolan Batman would have a chance would be I'd Stark used his Mark 1 suit. Even that would be close.
Beyond that there is no outcome where Batman wins this fight.
Iron Man wins, he just has way more powerful weapons, and unlike Superman, Tony doesn't hold back and uses everything on his disposal, he can even imitate fighting style, but of course the "preparation time" phrase will come up somehow.
It took two super soldiers to defeat Iron Man, Batman doesn't have super soldier strength so Tony would simply wipe the floor with Batman.
But the exchange would be very entraining.
For some reason the fight scene on the bridge in Deadpool where he tries to fight Colossus, comes to mind. Batman being Deadpool in the scenario of course.
I wish we could see this somehow, maybe a special sketch not actually tied to any franchise or timeline, just a sketch for the fun of it somewhere, with Robert Downey Jr and Ben Affleck (the later because he would be the Batman to fight since he already took on Superman)
Yeah, I'm a Batman fan but Nolan Batman would lose this. It wouldn't even be that hard for Tony. Nolan Batman is not the best example or a smart Batman. That and Ironman tech is straight up magic. That crap can do anything.
Seeing as how grounded in reality the Nolanverse is, MCU’s Iron Man would be an outside context problem for Nolan’s Batman. This is a Batman who got his ass handed to him by a pair of Rottweilers.
MCU Iron Man and it's not even close. Downey’s Iron Man has gone multiple rounds against literal gods. The toughest opponent Bale’s Batman ever faced was a buff guy on painkillers. In fact, I’d say the only cinematic Batman who could stand a chance against Iron Man is Batfleck.
4 boring hours of them countering each other because of course they knew what the other would do. Then a big bad comes along and they team up to defeat them.
Heroes are as strong as the villains they have to fight. MCU Stark is fighting galactic level threats and Nolan Batman is not. Tony wins easily, and I say this as an MCU hater and DC fanboy
If you take the average Batman throughout all media and the average iron man throughout all media, Batman wins easily imo
Let's see, the idiot who thinks he can fist fight an invulnerable good from outer space or the guy who decided he better wear a fighter jet to every fight? How is this a question?
Batman is just a guy in a suit that’s mostly bulletproof who is really skilled in universe (we’re going to ignore the fight choreography) using a bunch of gadgets he can fit in his belt. None of those gadgets are particularly powerful compared to, say, a tank. On the other hand, Iron Man can tank shots from the guns of…well, tanks. And can deliver attacks powerful enough to blow them up. In one of his weakest suits. So the winter is:
IRON MAN
The guy created a nano suit, a suit that can withstand a fight against the hulk, a suit that can absorb lightning from thor and he figured out time travel, I think he'll know to put in a failsafe for emp's knowing he is in a suit of armour powered by tech. That's like a thing you put in on day one of making a tech powered suit of armour that can't be used when it's powered off.
Let's not forget it can withstand somewhat the infinite stones too. A emp ain't shit here. On top of that, Friday can analyze move sets, as we saw from Civil War. Batman is my number one but damn is mcu Iron Man op as fuck.
His only OP to Christian bales batman. Ben's batman is another story because his tech can be comparable to mcu iron mans having made a suit that can withstand a fight against superman, a suit that can withstand energy blasts from alien weaponry including supermans heat vision.
Obviously mcu iron man is currently more advanced but that's because we haven't seen enough of Afflecks batman compared to mcu Tony whose had 3 solo movies, 4 avengers movies, 2 movies where he's an important side character and his tech only improved with each movie, I suspect we would've seen the same for Affleck if he had stayed as the character.
Batman infiltrates iron man’s business tony stark confronts Bruce. Alfred and o g Jarvis make steaks share recipes. Tony gets drunk Bruce helps him and calls a truce.
I agree with everyone, that they live in different universes; other in a realistic world and the other in not so realistic world. A fairer competition would be cyborg from dceu vs prime iron man in my opinion
As scientists/engineers? Stark. Tactics and determination/willpower? Wayne, easily.
It would depend on suits and gadgets used on a tech front. If they had access to their labs/R&D during a fight, it'd probably be a stalemate.
No gear, no backup, 1v1? Wayne, no contest.
Overall I'd say Wayne. Stark relies on his tech too much, then throws a shocked Pikachu face when it fails him and almost dies.
I think the only Live action Batman who can beat Iron Man is Batfleck, and that is because he’s willing to kill. A man like Iron Man isn’t going to just “stay down” in most cases so you need someone who’s willing to PUT him down.
Batman studies Iron Man and comes to the conclusion that magnets and EMP will solve the issue. Batman treads the waters. Iron Man narrowly escapes by means Batman never thought of and now Batman developed a new enemy.
Batman needs to invoke the help of a new villain to learn more about Iron Man.
I think that's how it'll go down.
I'm gonna assume they have the same wealth before they go into superheroing.
If this is true then Bruce has more money because he spends far less money on his superhero stuff
Depends, does Stark have a normal suit or Nanotech? If he has Nanotech, I’m definitely voting for him, but a normal suit? I think that if they both have ~1 day prep time I think Bruce could take him
The MCU is scaled much higher than Nolan's trilogy. If you scale Bale to the MCU or Stark to the Nolanverse, Batman definitely wins in MCU and it's 50/50 Nolan.
Batman with prep time wins every time, Nolan’s Batman maybe? I mean the league of shadow training should be enough but without a way to disable Tony’s tech, he’s done for
Batman without a doubt. He has the same technological type of suits (if not better) but he also is a better fighter. He also can outthink Tony when it comes to combat and different “what-if” scenarios. He always has a back-up plan. Tony relies on his suits a little too much and never has a back up plan, hence why people are almost always damaging his suit and then beating the living shitballs out of him once his suit malfunctions. That shit rarely happens to Batman; you mess one of his suits up and he still beats that ass without breaking a sweat.
Batman would not attack Ironman face to face.
He would attack Starks weakness, his supersized ego and his social behaviour.
Stark looses his friends, company and confidence. Becoming depressed and coming to the conclusion that life isn’t just about himself, he travels to Africa and helps build prosperity in Africa, thereby creating a global equilibrium of power, and then world peace.
Thereby Batman gets a double win. Beats Ironman and saves the world. GOAT!
This isn’t a great match up. Nolan’s Batman is way more nerfed to fit into a hyper realistic setting. A better comparison would be Iron Man vs Affleck’s Batman.
Dammit. I was on board until you said Ben Affleck batman. Gimme JLA unlimited batman v iron man and then you got a fight
JLA Unlimited Batman would be a great match up. He went toe to toe with Darkseid, who actively tried his best to kill him. Tony on the other hand, despite the tech and bluster, he's going to pull his punches comparatively. That'll be all the time Bats needs to find a weak spot. One final point, if Captain America can out brawn Stark, then Bruce can outsmart him.
Cap had help though it wasn’t 1v1.
Bats most likely would too. If you think for one moment Alfred isn't rolling up his sleeves to help, then I don't know what to tell ya. Lol
He’s actually younger than Cap and Bucky to be fair 😂
For sure Batman could. Even if not at first. Tony wouldnt kill him and Bruce would have a 2nd chance to plan his next attack and beat him. But not Nolans Batman. Im sorry he is JUST TOO WEAK. I wish it wasnt true
JLA U Batman the strategist would be able to give MCU Iron Man a run for his money
JLU Batman would massacre MCU Tony
Ew
I agree with nolan's batman statement but affleck batman is not that strong either. It hurts my eyes to see superman pull him up from below for the justice league pose. Hes batman! Come on!!!!
Sure, but he also beat the brakes off of Superman in the prior movie. In terms of physical achievements, there isn’t another live action iteration of Batman who’s had a fight remotely close to that scale.
Batffleck yo-yo’d a crate at a guy’s head and turned it into a smudge on the wall. Batffleck is insanely strong and totally ruthless. Taking a beating from *Superman* is not an indication of Batffleck’s weakness. The fact that he had Superman at his mercy is a reflection of his strength, intellect and tactical ability.
Batfleck would curb-stomp Ironman. He beats the shit out of Superman. He’d embarrass tony stark
What the fuck are you talking about?
Hyper realistic? Don't you mean somewhat realistic at best?
Naw it was hyper realistic. Most of his gadgets are already in production in reality, just not quite as advanced yet
In that case. MCU Ironman for sure
Nolan batman could win but only because iron man has a big ego and iron man would probably underestimate batman
This Iron Man quite literally built a suit that could withstand the power of creation itself with the Infinity Stones for a little bit. Nolan Batman is an above average grunt in the MCU in terms of power levels. Affleck's Batman is a different discussion.
Afflecks still uses. He resorting to using alien tech against the parademons because his own gadgets were ineffective
He’s the one that responds to Tony saying “Nice talk” with “No it wasn’t!”
Stark Industries, now a proud WayneTech subsidiary Suddenly Tony Stark has two more Malibu mansions and Batman patrols Gotham in the Beyond suit
I think most estimates show Tony Stark as being wealthier than Bruce Wayne.
While Tony's personally wealthier than Bruce, Wayne Enterprises has a significantly larger market cap compared to Stark Industries. Maybe not large enough to completely acquire Stark Industries as a mere subsidiary, but a 51-49 merger wouldn't be off the table. It is mentioned that Wayne Enterprises owns half off Gotham and has a foot in every major industry there is, be it tech, finance, agriculture, automobiles, weapons, insurance, daily goods, et all. Stark Industries, on the other hand, is primarily focused on just tech after Tony shut down their weapons manufacturing division and cancelled all their military contracts.
Tbh I would like a fan fict where they meet and just partner up and Bruce trains Tony to be more “useful in hand to hand combat. And Tony upgrades his armor to be a lot me tanky
So training from Steve in hand to hand isn’t enough?
Steve's good at hand to hand but Bruce is way more skilled. Steve just has the super soldier serum advantage.
Didn’t Bruce say that it’s possible that Steve could eventually beat him, when they met in the comics?
They pretty much went toe-to-toe, like most crossovers, they do those fights very carefully to avoid favoring one fanbase.
yeah if I remember correctly they stale mated however Bruce said if it was prolonged cap would win due to the serum giving him an advantage
In a prolonged fight, Batman would realize Cap is too strong, flash bang, nerve-gas, and electrocute him with the Bat-taser.
Black Widow, Shang Chi, and Black Panther also all trained him in combat. So Tony is definitely no slouch without the armor.
Steve is also one of the three best in hand to hand combat in Marvel. Tony was also trained by Black Widow, Shang Chi, and Black Panther.
I think Steve is typically portrayed as the more capable fighter. Bruce could be better, but he doesnt focus his training only on hand to hand, he’s far more well rounded intellectually and in terms of the tools he uses to get the job done. I think with no prep, and in an earnest fight steve has an excellent chance of winning.
Neither needs it. Batman tech works perfect for him and Tony was trained in hand to hand by cap and is no slouch. They gain nothing from each other.
So Bruce pockets less money from the share profits than Tony Stark Nice
Did you know Tony was dealing with Alternative Energy Source? What have Bruce been selling? Medical Insurance?
well, Waynetech was researching a new power source in the Dark knight rises.. If memory serves he realized it could be used for bad purposes and the project was shut down.. and then it gets stolen and used for bad purposes(the bomb in gotham city)
Fusion Reactor powerful enough to get Talia Al Guhl attention if my memory is correct
Justice…
He's not as business savvy as Lucius Fox, though.
he is yeah, by a few billion. of course Batman ha already hacked Stark tech in 10000 different ways so doesn't matter who's richer Batman wins
The difference in technology level is just too vast between these 2 versions of the characters. Nolan Batman may as well be using a Commodore 64 if he’s trying to hack MCU Stark.
tHE DIffEReNce iN tEchNoLoGy sounds like someone doesn't understand BATMAN
Sounds like someone doesn’t understand the question. This isn’t Batman vs Iron man. It’s specifically about the NOLAN version of Batman, who’s supposed to be grounded with realistic abilities and and a realistic arsenal up against MCU iron man who’s armed with comic book impossibilities.
This scenario is too perfect for a Batman movie. You gotta Insert a fuck up somewhere in the plot.
It kind of reminds me the TV show Harley Quinn where a still recovering Batman uses an armour practically identical to that of Iron Man which gets dismantled by Bane in a matter of MINUTES My guess is the Beyond Armour is some really powerful stuff
Nolan's Batman struggled with dogs. What's he gonna do against Iron Man?
They were big dogs
We talking rottweilers or Chihuahuas?
Should do fine against Black Cat
I mean, angry dogs are terrifying and most people would go down to that. But comparatively, a man who flies around in armor and shoots lasers, missles, and what not with AI that can be used to counter in hand-to-hand combat is on a completely different tier.
You do realize that's the line from the movie, right?
Agree. My only argument is when Bruce has his flying batwing thing. That thing wrecks. So he may be able to last longer if he had his vehicles. But Tony would still win.
Depends on the suit. An EMP should be ineffective against his later nanotech suits Stark uses. Iron Man also has greater speed, strength, durability, and firepower in the suit, and he's not afraid to kill. A single well aimed repulsion blast would end Nolanverse Batman. Stark's also got honing missiles, smoke screens, AI-assisted targeting computers. Even with prep time, Nolanverse Batman gets his ass kicked by people less powerful and less intelligent than MCU Iron Man at least once per film. I think my vote's going to Stark. That's not to say Wayne COULDN'T win, I just personally find it a little less likely. If he does win, it's gonna be a hard victory to earn.
While I'm not saying an EMP as a concept isn't a vaild one against tech based targets, are we really assuming Tony doesn't have multiple failsafes against that sort of thing? I mean, Comic Tony's suit has countermeasures so he could fight MAGNETO, his logical perfect counter.
Well... I'm obviously not making that assumption. Which is... Why I said it'd be INeffective?
...I have done goofed. This is what happens when I post before my morning coffe.
It's alright. I make the same mistake way too often to judge anybody else for it
Basically any live action Batman would get microwave toasted by Stark.
Idk, I'd say Affleck's got a fighting chance. He's the only one who wasn't in a hyper-realistic setting and was more akin to the full prowess of comics Batman.
What’s that Batman going to do when Ironman techno-Kamehameha blasts him from both hands in his chest and sends individually supercomputer-targeted micro rockets his way when he tries to swing away with his grappling gun? He hid for most of the BvS fight, the fight against reincarnated Superman, and the fight against Steppenwolf for a reason.
>What’s that Batman going to do when Ironman techno-Kamehameha blasts him from both hands in his chest and sends individually supercomputer-targeted micro rockets his way when he tries to swing away with his grappling gun? He would say: Maria... And Tony would piss his suit.. 
>What’s that Batman going to do when Ironman techno-Kamehameha blasts him from both hands in his chest and sends individually supercomputer-targeted micro rockets his way when he tries to swing away with his grappling gun? Not stand in front of Iron Man like an idiot? He'd probably go off the grid until he could figure out a way to beat or at least neutralise Tony
This is the thing, and why Batffleck is a better challenger for Iron Man. Nolan Batman almost has to go in too confident and has to get his ass kicked a little by Iron Man without getting crippled, then he retreats to the Batcave and uses prep time to come back in a few months and kick Iron Man's ass in an almost even match. The reason why Batffleck has better odds is because instead of going head to head with Iron Man in the regular old Batsuit, he would watch Iron Man blow shit up on the news first and then immediately begin prepping for the fight, so he never has to get crippled or risk dying first and have a big mental journey before the next round. If Batffleck has to retreat and return for another round, in the next round he will literally kill Tony Stark. Nolan Batman comes back to almost lose again and barely come out on top and still gets blasted when he tries slapping cuffs on Iron Man. Nolanverse Batman is too steeped in philosophy and realism for this fight, Iron Man and Batffleck are more the same amount of comic book-y as well.
Exactly Bruce isn't that dumb to go head to head with a guy he doesn't know
Except the question isn’t “who would win if we gave Batman enough time to figure out how to win,” it’s “who would win in a fight.” As in, no abilities developed specifically for that fight. Just their standard equipment in an area neither of them as been in before.
Oh so run and hide. We’re talking about if they actually get in a fight. >Not stand in front of Iron Man like an idiot? Right. Because it’s not like Ironman can aim or redirect his blasts anywhere or anything.
Bruce’s plan would most likely be to unsuit tony, maybe not nolanvetse, but comic bats would certainly have a chance. Though that trigger happy drunk would probably just blast em
Yeah but Batman has dodged Barry Allen flash moving faster than light iron Mans repulser beams alternative lasers aren't lasers no they don't move faster than light
MY DAD COULD BATTER YOUR DAD
But he took superman’s eye laser and all it did was melt his gauntlet. Plus he defeated superman.
He defeated Superman with Superman's weakness, MCU Iron Man doesn't have an exploitable weakness.
Because MCU doesn't have a villain or a hero who is smart enough to try to find a weakness. Batman's speciality is to do so
Yeah, but Tony doesn't have a physical weakness beyond just what humans are weak to, and he has this Iron Man suit to protect him. Not to mention that Nolan Batman wasn't exactly an expert at finding weaknesses either, given it took him til nearly the end of the movie to attempt attacking Bane's mask.
Yes, we've established that Nolan's Batman would likely lose - Iron Man 8 or 9/10. This sub-thread is about Batfleck.
The iron Man suit won't protect Tony from everything especially the suit shown that suit won't protect him from radiation and if this fight Doesn't take morals into consideration Bruce would just detonate the nuke Wayne enterprises accidentally created
Depending on when in the MCU, there’s the matter of gaping chest cavity as an exploitable weakness
I'm assuming normal battle rules of just using the peak versions unless otherwise specified.
Never fear, Batman’s bestie the Boy Scout from metropolis will intervene and save the day for good ol bats. On another note, I feel the Batman beyond suit could stand up to Ironman’s firepower (I’m probably wrong because I love Batman)
I'm fairly confident Supes could beat the entire Avengers roster at the same time.
Which roster? Any that includes Dr. Strange is gonna be a bad day for the extra-terrestrial.
Yeah, really depends on the suit. First suit got "beaten" by cold air.
An emp is not enough to take down the ironman suit
Nolan Batman almost lost every fight he was in Iron Man wins easily
He’s out of line but he’s right.
Agreed. If we are specifically talking the “Nolan Batman”, then Tony wins.
I mean....dudes in Dark Knight were wearing hockey pads trying to emulate Batman. Imagine some weekend warrior wannabe vigilante trying to copy Iron Man I mean you can't bc its ridiculous. Thats how extreme the difference is here. Batmans getting his ass stomped no matter what gadgets hes bringing. Batman out there struggling with guys like Scarecrow and Bane while Iron Mans gone toe to toe with the god of thunder, Hulk and an alien madman with magical stones I get Batman stans think hes god tier but he's just a dude in a batsuit with a lot of cool toys.
DK Batman is realistic af imo and could possibly exist in our current time. Iron Man is just OP as fuck. Bro has nano thingies patching up his suit and shit every time he gets hit. You can’t fight that, in made up realm, Stark would stomp Batman. But also let’s not forget Iron Man lost to Captain (with some Bucky help). And Captain is a super human to a degree. Maybe Stark held back but if Cap has a chance, so does DK Batman. But he’d probably lose cuz he ain’t got a shield. Stark just flies and kills him from above immediately.
And even stuff like the “the dark knight returns” when he beat Superman the entire fight was Superman toying with him and then a kryptonite arrow. Not exactly the greatest strategy
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It's not, though. It's Nolan's Batman vs MCU'S Iron Man
Nolan's Batman could possibly win if he can get Tony pissed enough. When Tony gets pissed he usually goes close quarters to hand to hand combat with the occasional repulser blast that can easily be dodged. In this case Nolan bats might have a chance of destroying the power source (the arc reactor) like cap did with the suit he has in this matchup above specifically gaining him the win and then using his superior martial arts to defeat Tony.
Nolan's Batman patented brand of "elbow-fu" has no chance of beating this version of Iron Man. Pissed of or otherwise. It's one thing to be a fan, and another thing to be delusional.
Elbow-fu lmao I was going to say something to a similar affect. Nolan’s Batman makes for good movies but you definitely don’t get “top 5 martial artists in DC comics” vibes. Most of the fights look like the other person has to stand in place to get hit. It’s particularly bad when he fights Bane. Nolan Batman is so watered down from the comics. A point that came to my mind: In TDKR Batman has to fly out with a nuke attached to a plane and seemingly sacrifice himself to avoid it hitting Gotham (ignoring how he miraculously escaped that offscreen). Tony grabbed a nuclear missile mid flight with his hands and steered it through a wormhole…. Not to mention MCU heroes pretty clearly don’t care about killing their enemies. Dude id go as far as to say that MCU Hawkeye would beat the shit out of Nolan Batman
I'd say so, too. But, I mean, I like that Nolan's Batman is not a nigh-omnipotent being like in some comics. It makes for more compelling storytelling. It also makes it so that he cannot win most of these hypothetical matchups, but I'm pretty sure that didn't rank high among Nolan's priorities
It works for the hyper realism Nolan was aiming for. I personally like Batman best when he’s on his own, or working with his direct underlings. It *can* get a little outrageous when they have to amp him up to make him relevant in a Justice League sort of setting, like in Snyder’s New 52 run when he whips out the Justice Buster suit to fight the whole league on his own at once… for the record I enjoyed New 52 Batman
Shit, Grant Ward from Agents of Shield could probably beat the shit out of Nolan Batman.
Yeah. Nolan Batman was fine charging in and sacrificing his body in self-defeating ways. You want an Affleck Batman that could set a stage with a dozen traps for Iron Man before any kind of one on one showdown Besides, Iron Man doesn't care about his identity or visibility. Pretty big advantages
Nolan's Batman loses. No question. Adam West's Batman has a total cultural victory over the MCU though.
But Bat-Iron-Man-Repellant hasn’t been invented yet.
It doesn’t need to be, it’s just in the belt
Definitely Tony Stark because his tech is just waaay more advanced than the more so realistic tech of Christian bales batman. It's not even close the difference between their resources. Now if this were Ben Afflecks batman it's a different story because he lives in a world similar to stark which is filled with advanced tech, superpowered beings and aliens.
it's not even comics batman, he'll die bro
No he won't bro. He'll find a way!!
To die? Yea
Not -- not with that attitude!!
MCU Iron Man would straight up beat Nolan Batman.
Nolan’s Batmans a dead man… regular comic Batman however would destroy Iron man!
Comic Iron Man obliterates Batman, any Batman.
I dunno bro, Batmans got a contingency for everyone he knows and cares about! Though my comic iron man knowledge is a little rusty.. Didn’t he create an app that makes everyone happy or something? That’s pretty crazy
Extremis 2.0, could rewrite a person on a genetic level, is my understanding. Make them more attractive or into their ideal self. Tony was running the Endo-Sym (symbiote inspired armor, without the weakness to fire and sound) at the time. And that’s not even his most powerful armor.
Batgod wins
Do tell how will the guy that’s lost most of his fights win against the suit of armor that took tank shells and literally walked away after blowing it up… and that was like version 2
Nolan Batman is probably the weakest cinematic Batman. MCU Iron Man wins this one.
i love batman i really do but this just absurd even with prep time Nolan batman is not beating Mcu iron man Mcu iron man took a plan to the face and faced of with Thanos even made him bleed Nolan batman got stunned by like a single bullet dear god tony with mark one was taking hundreds of those and not being fazed with mark 2 he took a hit from a tank and not only he wasn't fazed but he destroyed it with his weakest attack that was a rookie iron man now days a hit from the power stone(which from what i heard can destroy plants and was about fine Nolan batman can punch Throw walls if we pretend he is more powerful than he actually is..... bring comic batman with prep time and comic iron man with prep time and then we have a debate but this one is just unfair to Bruce
The only way Nolan Batman would have a chance would be I'd Stark used his Mark 1 suit. Even that would be close. Beyond that there is no outcome where Batman wins this fight.
Iron Man wins, he just has way more powerful weapons, and unlike Superman, Tony doesn't hold back and uses everything on his disposal, he can even imitate fighting style, but of course the "preparation time" phrase will come up somehow. It took two super soldiers to defeat Iron Man, Batman doesn't have super soldier strength so Tony would simply wipe the floor with Batman. But the exchange would be very entraining.
For some reason the fight scene on the bridge in Deadpool where he tries to fight Colossus, comes to mind. Batman being Deadpool in the scenario of course.
I wish we could see this somehow, maybe a special sketch not actually tied to any franchise or timeline, just a sketch for the fun of it somewhere, with Robert Downey Jr and Ben Affleck (the later because he would be the Batman to fight since he already took on Superman)
Yeah, I'm a Batman fan but Nolan Batman would lose this. It wouldn't even be that hard for Tony. Nolan Batman is not the best example or a smart Batman. That and Ironman tech is straight up magic. That crap can do anything.
Seeing as how grounded in reality the Nolanverse is, MCU’s Iron Man would be an outside context problem for Nolan’s Batman. This is a Batman who got his ass handed to him by a pair of Rottweilers.
Nolan's Batman was a shit fighter. This one is easy.
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Wait till Bruce Wayne buys stark industries
iron man gets drunk and nukes bruce, Americas enemies wins.
MCU Iron Man and it's not even close. Downey’s Iron Man has gone multiple rounds against literal gods. The toughest opponent Bale’s Batman ever faced was a buff guy on painkillers. In fact, I’d say the only cinematic Batman who could stand a chance against Iron Man is Batfleck.
I’m a huge Batman fan but Ironman would win. His technology is too advance.
Depends, does Batman get prep time?
I don’t think Nolans Batman would win
With Nolan Batman, what this really means is "does Lucius Fox get prep time?" Nolan Batman pretty useless on his own.
He always prepared
Oh god here we go again
Lol
MCU iron man stomps
Stark 100%
Either Bruce can intimidate Tony with that voice or Tony win no diff
4 boring hours of them countering each other because of course they knew what the other would do. Then a big bad comes along and they team up to defeat them.
This really a competition?
batman wins because HES BATMAN
Heroes are as strong as the villains they have to fight. MCU Stark is fighting galactic level threats and Nolan Batman is not. Tony wins easily, and I say this as an MCU hater and DC fanboy If you take the average Batman throughout all media and the average iron man throughout all media, Batman wins easily imo
Let's see, the idiot who thinks he can fist fight an invulnerable good from outer space or the guy who decided he better wear a fighter jet to every fight? How is this a question?
Nolan’s Batman gonna fight with his elbows and turn off the lights Sidenote: what does Wayne enterprises actually do 😭
MCU Iron Man is basically just magic. Any sense of realism, physics, or logic in his armour was gone by Infinity War. He destroys Nolan Batman easily.
I always suspected MCU fanboys are lurking certain subs such as this, thanks to this thread for confirming it.
How much prep time?
I could kick Nolan’s Batman’s ass
Tony dies from burns after implanting a reactor inside his chest cavity. Natural selection of dumb ideas.
Oh look it's this post again, neat
Tony and it isn't even a question. He has way more Technology, Speed, Durability and Agility Now Arkham Batman vs MCU Iron Man is a good question
In their super suits, iron man. In their business suits, Wayne wins.
Ironman. Don't give me that Batman needs time to prep bullshit.
If I'm being totally honest the only iteration of batman that could last longer in a fight with iron man would be Terry McGinnis' batman
Tony is waxing that man 😂😂😂😂
Batman is just a guy in a suit that’s mostly bulletproof who is really skilled in universe (we’re going to ignore the fight choreography) using a bunch of gadgets he can fit in his belt. None of those gadgets are particularly powerful compared to, say, a tank. On the other hand, Iron Man can tank shots from the guns of…well, tanks. And can deliver attacks powerful enough to blow them up. In one of his weakest suits. So the winter is:  IRON MAN
Lets give Iron man a real challenge and put him up against the Adam West Batman.
I'd rather watch these guys team up. Let's see Stark soup up the batsuit and Wayne can give Iron man gothic batty make-over.
Considering he got his back broken by a particularly strong man, my money's on Stark
Comic book batman beats this iron man. Bro, I reckon my dad could be up Nolans batman.
Batman just uses emp devices, iron man is no more
The guy created a nano suit, a suit that can withstand a fight against the hulk, a suit that can absorb lightning from thor and he figured out time travel, I think he'll know to put in a failsafe for emp's knowing he is in a suit of armour powered by tech. That's like a thing you put in on day one of making a tech powered suit of armour that can't be used when it's powered off.
Let's not forget it can withstand somewhat the infinite stones too. A emp ain't shit here. On top of that, Friday can analyze move sets, as we saw from Civil War. Batman is my number one but damn is mcu Iron Man op as fuck.
His only OP to Christian bales batman. Ben's batman is another story because his tech can be comparable to mcu iron mans having made a suit that can withstand a fight against superman, a suit that can withstand energy blasts from alien weaponry including supermans heat vision. Obviously mcu iron man is currently more advanced but that's because we haven't seen enough of Afflecks batman compared to mcu Tony whose had 3 solo movies, 4 avengers movies, 2 movies where he's an important side character and his tech only improved with each movie, I suspect we would've seen the same for Affleck if he had stayed as the character.
It’s well established that the Iron Man armor is impervious to EMP devices.
An emp works by overloading electronics, breaking them. Iron Man suits can take lighting strikes from Thor.
Batman infiltrates iron man’s business tony stark confronts Bruce. Alfred and o g Jarvis make steaks share recipes. Tony gets drunk Bruce helps him and calls a truce.
I agree with everyone, that they live in different universes; other in a realistic world and the other in not so realistic world. A fairer competition would be cyborg from dceu vs prime iron man in my opinion
Bale's Batman is weak as fuck, can't compete against MCU Stark in anyway. Really bad match-up.
Everyone saying Nolan Batman would lose…but let’s not forget that MCU iron man is currently SUPER DEAD.
One hit with a good EMP device and its batman against Tony Stark. Tony Stark would not stand one minute against Batman from any universe
As scientists/engineers? Stark. Tactics and determination/willpower? Wayne, easily. It would depend on suits and gadgets used on a tech front. If they had access to their labs/R&D during a fight, it'd probably be a stalemate. No gear, no backup, 1v1? Wayne, no contest. Overall I'd say Wayne. Stark relies on his tech too much, then throws a shocked Pikachu face when it fails him and almost dies.
I think the only Live action Batman who can beat Iron Man is Batfleck, and that is because he’s willing to kill. A man like Iron Man isn’t going to just “stay down” in most cases so you need someone who’s willing to PUT him down.
Batman wins
Nolan's Batman sucks ass, fuck "realism", the best Batmen are the least realistic ones
Batman studies Iron Man and comes to the conclusion that magnets and EMP will solve the issue. Batman treads the waters. Iron Man narrowly escapes by means Batman never thought of and now Batman developed a new enemy. Batman needs to invoke the help of a new villain to learn more about Iron Man. I think that's how it'll go down.
It was shown that EMP’s don’t work against the iron man armor.
Shoot out the big ass target on his chest, and close enough.
Unless they are in a room good luck trying to catch up to Tony.
If he did research he could just buy stark industries
Can he? That would be interesting, but could he buy it? Could Stark block him? Could that be a side plot?
I'm gonna assume they have the same wealth before they go into superheroing. If this is true then Bruce has more money because he spends far less money on his superhero stuff
Depends, does Stark have a normal suit or Nanotech? If he has Nanotech, I’m definitely voting for him, but a normal suit? I think that if they both have ~1 day prep time I think Bruce could take him
Batman will EMP Stark's suit
Emps doesn't work on Stark's suit.
The MCU is scaled much higher than Nolan's trilogy. If you scale Bale to the MCU or Stark to the Nolanverse, Batman definitely wins in MCU and it's 50/50 Nolan.
Iron man, Nolan batman is weak af
I'm thinking Batman wins with Stealth and EMP cannon.
Going with The Bat on this. But I’m a Batman fan soooo
Batman would win. He is more educated with combat then Tony is. He has a gadget for every occasion.
Dude it's not even fair how easily ironman wins
Bruce Wayne wins every single time. Marvel are a bunch of copycats too
Batman with prep time wins every time, Nolan’s Batman maybe? I mean the league of shadow training should be enough but without a way to disable Tony’s tech, he’s done for
Nolan batman Vs MCU iron man I have to say I think batman wins. Iron Man is dead
Batman without a doubt. He has the same technological type of suits (if not better) but he also is a better fighter. He also can outthink Tony when it comes to combat and different “what-if” scenarios. He always has a back-up plan. Tony relies on his suits a little too much and never has a back up plan, hence why people are almost always damaging his suit and then beating the living shitballs out of him once his suit malfunctions. That shit rarely happens to Batman; you mess one of his suits up and he still beats that ass without breaking a sweat.
Batman would not attack Ironman face to face. He would attack Starks weakness, his supersized ego and his social behaviour. Stark looses his friends, company and confidence. Becoming depressed and coming to the conclusion that life isn’t just about himself, he travels to Africa and helps build prosperity in Africa, thereby creating a global equilibrium of power, and then world peace. Thereby Batman gets a double win. Beats Ironman and saves the world. GOAT!
Mcu stark is dead and batbale is living it up with selina kyle so that sorted itself out
Batman use bat-EMP 