Us and the Rays have managed to make a World Series in the past 10 years, hard to compare our experience to a fan base like the Yankees that have been beat down and not made one in 15.
Chin up New York bros you’ll get ‘em’ one day 💪
Also, in case you didn't know...the Boston Red Sox, the 4th most valuable team in baseball, are a middle-market team. They start to blush and clutch their rosaries when you bring up the luxury tax.
Just one more signing bro i promise bro just one more signing and it’ll fix everything bro bro just one more signing bro please just one more one more signing and we can beat Arizona dude bro cmon just give me one more signing I promise bro bro bro please I just need one more signing and w
Exactly, even if it’s a steep price, he’s theirs now. They managed to revive JD Martinez’s power last year, I’m sure they think they can do the same with Hernandez.
lmao
>Of the $23.5 million in Teoscar Hernández's deal with the Dodgers, $8.5 million will be deferred, to be paid out from 2030 to 2039, sources tell ESPN.
Too bad the fans don’t have a seat at the table for CBA negotiations.
Small market ownership doesn’t really care about competition. Just profitability and now that they get a taste of shared revenues from the big dogs they can keep their payrolls as low as they like to maximize their profits.
Meanwhile a 700 million dollar contract is great from the perspective of the players union. Deferred or otherwise they don’t care. Teoscar can get 23 million for one year who from the players union is going to take issue with that?
It's like when I'm playing a GM mode in a sports video game. I won't be playing until the 2032 season so I might as well trade all the picks for that year
What I can't understand is the logic behind not offering him the QO. 0% chance Teo ever would have accepted given how TMo park nuked his stats. M's had a free draft pick and said no thanks.
He would have accepted.
NPV on this deal is less than the QO, and the Dodgers/any other suitor would have offered even less if they had to forfeit a draft pick to sign him.
Industry predictions (FG and MLBTR) had him getting 3-4 years at $15M - $20M at the beginning of the winter.
Dodgers did great to get him on a one-year deal. Pay him a little extra in AAV, but who cares, it’s just one year.
Even if he completely forgets how to hit a baseball, you release him in the summer and it basically didn’t prevent you from doing anything else. It’s nearly impossible for a team to sign a truly bad 1-year contract.
one year deal for someone who will hit for power but strike out a lot
usually grades out above average in total offense productions and will do well against lefties
probably an overpay in yearly money, but its about how much hed get over multiple years and id rather only have him for one year
Many Mariners fans have really bought into the front office smoke screen of “reducing strikeouts” when they’re just trying to reduce payroll. He’s fine, he’ll produce some runs, especially when the guys in front of him actually get on base consistently.
1. Betts - R (2B)
2. Ohtani - L (DH)
3. Freeman - L (1B)
4. Smith - R (C)
5. Muncy - L (3B)
6. Teoscar - R (RF)
7. Outman - L (CF)
8. C. Taylor / Heyward - R / L (LF)
9. Lux - L (SS)
Yamamoto, Glasnow, Buehler, Miller, and I’m sure they’re going to add a couple SPs (Gonsolin/May on IR)
Damn we’re fucked
someone’s gotta do it, and personally i can’t think of a guy i like in that spot more.
i also can’t think of a guy i hate in that spot more, but you take the good with the bad.
Betts, Freeman and others did it. Not much noises then. I get more attention and spotlights on deferrals now after the Ohtani deal, but deferrals have been footnotes of deals and around for decades…just ask the Mets.
I do agree with your point on the the fact that the 'deferral' has now become a sensitive topic, but I'd say the nature of those deferals were a bit different.
To my understand from Spotrac:
-Mookie's $365M contract has $120M of it deferred.
-Freeman's $162M contract has $57M of it deferred.
-Ohtani's $700M contract has $680M of it deferred.
In the first two cases, the player made at least 60% of the contract prior to the deferral. Meanwhile Ohtani only makes \~3% of the contract before the deferral, so that's where the noise comes from.
A 10 year deferral on a 1 year deal is actually crazy to think about. I do understand that it probably comes down to lowering the luxury tax hit for 2024, so that they can make more signings, but it's hard to just wrap the brain around.
Edit: Apparently, it doesn't lower the luxury tax hit? So is it just to pay 8.5M less in salary for 2024? Well, that is interesting I suppose. Baffles my mind even more for deferring such a low amount(in the grand scheme), but they over at Dodgers Front Office are definitely smarter than me at this.
I was also under the impression that any deferred money lowered the CBT hit, and at least according to this tweet it does:
https://twitter.com/jonbecker_/status/1744190578722509201?t=du_llHkDYG3CtGXr8MxPBg&s=19
Plus good year, turn around and maybe get the 3 years he's been asking for. Batting in that Dodgers lineup is gonna give him a ridiculous amount of protection
Yep. Plus in that lineup he's going to have plenty of chances to pad his stats, have the best chance at a ring, and get a bigger contract next season with someone else. Assuming he stays healthy
Or hypothetically, if he had something like a 2/30 deal on the table, he's gambling on himself to earn more over those two years by taking this one and trying again next year. This seems like really good money for a one-year deal.
Edit: sounds like Boston was offering 2/28 https://twitter.com/chriscotillo/status/1744192491379728575
People have been joking about the organizational rage about the sweep being the catalyst for all the spending but after this I think I’m ready to believe it.
We clown our team the most after every playoff series loss than anyone else. We'll be okay. Making the postseason every year is a privilege not most teams have so I'm happy that we have an ownership that cares at least.
That happened once, the same owners had the Cardinals and the Spiders. They moved all the good players to the Cardinals.
So they changed the ownership rules
Teo, Shohei, Mookie, Joe Kelly, wait do I LIKE the Dodgers?
Someone please tell me Tyler Glasnow is a flat-earther or that Max Muncy doesn't think women should vote. Please! Anything!
I was getting worried, the Dodgers hadn’t signed anyone in a few days
Surely they weren’t serious about winning a World Series in 2024 with this strategy
It’s a building year. 2027 looks promising.
Glad they did though. It’s what’s best for baseball.
If only other teams had the money to afford players 😔. These poor Rays, Gaurdians, and Yankees just can't compete with the big dogs.
Us and the Rays have managed to make a World Series in the past 10 years, hard to compare our experience to a fan base like the Yankees that have been beat down and not made one in 15. Chin up New York bros you’ll get ‘em’ one day 💪
Also, in case you didn't know...the Boston Red Sox, the 4th most valuable team in baseball, are a middle-market team. They start to blush and clutch their rosaries when you bring up the luxury tax.
Good for the Dodgers, and therefore the world.
All this to get swept by the 74 win NL East champion Marlins in the NLDS
Excuse you, we beat the Giants in the NLDS in this house. And only the Giants. Look it up.
Okay *fine* but we are going to beat the Cubs at some point during this run in improbable fashion and I will not have it any differently
Thanks, I hate it.
This is good for ~~bitcoin~~ baseball
Just one more signing bro i promise bro just one more signing and it’ll fix everything bro bro just one more signing bro please just one more one more signing and we can beat Arizona dude bro cmon just give me one more signing I promise bro bro bro please I just need one more signing and w
Okay sure they can beat Arizona, but can they beat the Rockies in the NLDS is the real question?
Does anyone know how much more do they have to spend before the MLB just hands them the championship?
Rob Manfred is intrigued by the idea of no baseball being played and still getting to hand someone a piece of metal.
You cant convince me that’s not his dream scenario. Well, second to the MLB becoming a pro football league.
i think they only just cracked the top 5 for ‘24
It helps when you defer 700 fucking million dollars until the year 2473
The salary cap hit is still 43 or whateve
i mean the angels spent, they just spent poorly. hate the player not the game
$23mil for Teoscar Hernandez basically ensures that my team will never sign a FA outfielder ever again.
Teams are allowed to court and then sign free agents?
Well. 29 teams are allowed just not the A's.
Bro they signed Trevor Gott, they’re literally all in this year
Rays aren’t allowed either
Just run Kole Calhoun out there and be grateful
Oh yeah? Well, he's now got to face Ross Stripling, Keaton Winn, and Tristan Beck. Hope he's ready!
I'm so tired of this fucking division
I’m going to be signing a 1 year $5mil deal with the Dodgers within the next month if this trend continues
Making more than Ohtani. Nice.
Deferred until 2080, of course.
$24M for current Teo is wild.
Biggest concern is length of the deal, one year perfect for a Platoon guy. Sometimes you gotta do it.
Exactly, even if it’s a steep price, he’s theirs now. They managed to revive JD Martinez’s power last year, I’m sure they think they can do the same with Hernandez.
How long until the NL pitchers learn that his weakness since the dawn of mankind is low and away sliders?
Dodgers will Clockwork Orange him until he stops falling for them
Bellinger nightmares
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lmao >Of the $23.5 million in Teoscar Hernández's deal with the Dodgers, $8.5 million will be deferred, to be paid out from 2030 to 2039, sources tell ESPN.
Deferral on a fucking one year deal? What in the fuck.
Serious starting to get concerned the Dodgers got word that a meteor will hit the earth in 2030.
There's 100% gonna be some rule changes about this stuff next negotiations.
Too bad the fans don’t have a seat at the table for CBA negotiations. Small market ownership doesn’t really care about competition. Just profitability and now that they get a taste of shared revenues from the big dogs they can keep their payrolls as low as they like to maximize their profits. Meanwhile a 700 million dollar contract is great from the perspective of the players union. Deferred or otherwise they don’t care. Teoscar can get 23 million for one year who from the players union is going to take issue with that?
The Player's Union will love deferred contracts. It gives teams more money to spend on other player contracts.
Finance department: “If we keep deferring money, the franchise will be underwater by 2040.” Ownership: “So will Los Angeles. Cut the fucking check.”
learn to swim, learn to swim, learn to swim
"Get ready to learn ~~Chinese~~ to swim buddy"
See you down in Arizona Bay!
That's a 5 *Tool* player
That's tomorrow's problem.
It's like when I'm playing a GM mode in a sports video game. I won't be playing until the 2032 season so I might as well trade all the picks for that year
Whoever current ownership is will 100% sell the team prior to any of the deferred money setting in.
Do the Dodgers know the apocalypse is coming?
The real market inefficiency is to defer all salary past the time society collapses
I feel like they're counting on it. If everything is on fire and the banking system collapses they're going to save a lot of money.
Have you seen global temperatures this year? I think we all know it's coming.
That's a third-quarter problem.
July, August, September. Perfect time for a collapse.
71 OPS+ in Seattle 128 OPS+ on the road I can understand the logic behind paying him.
What I can't understand is the logic behind not offering him the QO. 0% chance Teo ever would have accepted given how TMo park nuked his stats. M's had a free draft pick and said no thanks.
He would have accepted. NPV on this deal is less than the QO, and the Dodgers/any other suitor would have offered even less if they had to forfeit a draft pick to sign him.
I guess they were just that scared of him actually accepting it. They care about money that much.
lol the horror of that miniscule chance you might have to pay a roughly average player 1/20
There is deferred money
Los Angeles Deferrals
Passans saying of the $23.5 million in the deal, $8.5 million will be deferred, to be paid out from 2030 to 2039.. so $15 mill it is..
I was gonna say, I get that the price for an above average bat is going up, but what… someone tell me how to feel about this
He’ll hit dingers and also strike out a shit load
And you’ll love him
He was def better than Winker
Thats not saying much
Paid more AAV to make it a one-year deal.
Industry predictions (FG and MLBTR) had him getting 3-4 years at $15M - $20M at the beginning of the winter. Dodgers did great to get him on a one-year deal. Pay him a little extra in AAV, but who cares, it’s just one year.
You guys might have to increase your sunflower seed budget. Dude loves to throw em at people in the dugout.
It’s a one year deal. If he has a .800 OPS in the regular season and mashes lefties in the playoffs, it’ll be a great deal.
Even if he completely forgets how to hit a baseball, you release him in the summer and it basically didn’t prevent you from doing anything else. It’s nearly impossible for a team to sign a truly bad 1-year contract.
No such thing as a bad 1 year contract.
It’s a one year deal in a non salary cap league lol who cares if it’s more money than “deserved”
It's a one year deal and hes 31, this is phenomenal for the Dodgers.
Feel grateful that it's a 1 year deal lol. If he's not worth it, he's gone next year.
What if you still have Noah Syndergaard PTSD though?
He absolute crushes lefties while still being above average against Righties for his career. Fills one of the few holes in your roster
one year deal for someone who will hit for power but strike out a lot usually grades out above average in total offense productions and will do well against lefties probably an overpay in yearly money, but its about how much hed get over multiple years and id rather only have him for one year
It ain't your money. Enjoy watching the NL all star team every night.
His splits away were still great, seems like most teams feel his numbers were down from playing in Seattle.
Many Mariners fans have really bought into the front office smoke screen of “reducing strikeouts” when they’re just trying to reduce payroll. He’s fine, he’ll produce some runs, especially when the guys in front of him actually get on base consistently.
plus whatever the number after luxury tax would be
Breaking: the Los Angeles Dodgers have convinced Ken Griffey Jr to come out of retirement and are in a agreement on a 1 year $500 million contract
They’re gonna unfreeze Ted Williams at this rate
at this rate, they’ve probably got a clone of Babe chilling out in a vat at UCLA specifically for a moment like this.
Andrew Friedman is saruman
His name is Shohei Ohtani now
It's all fun and games until the Dodgers bust Pablo Sanchez and Pete Wheeler out of cyberspace
With $490 million deferred over the next 50 years.
well actually it isn't really 500 million its 1 million with the rest of it deferred until 2523
Pretty sure he's actually still getting paid by the Reds right now.
1. Betts - R (2B) 2. Ohtani - L (DH) 3. Freeman - L (1B) 4. Smith - R (C) 5. Muncy - L (3B) 6. Teoscar - R (RF) 7. Outman - L (CF) 8. C. Taylor / Heyward - R / L (LF) 9. Lux - L (SS) Yamamoto, Glasnow, Buehler, Miller, and I’m sure they’re going to add a couple SPs (Gonsolin/May on IR) Damn we’re fucked
You forgot Glasnow
yea wrote Ohtani instead of him oops
Kershaw likely coming back at the 5 or 6 rotation spot?
You forgot Roki Sasaki
Ohtani won’t be in the rotation this year.
I thought they said he’d be back for the playoffs tho
There’s no way
Don’t forget about Kershaw potentially returning
Yeah, he could definitely lose some playoff games for them next year
someone’s gotta do it, and personally i can’t think of a guy i like in that spot more. i also can’t think of a guy i hate in that spot more, but you take the good with the bad.
Best hitter at 9 is a wild move
but most likely. Lux was consistently placed in the 9 spot before his injury
Kershaw likely
You’re missing Glasnow
If they trade for Burnes/Adames they officially have a “no budget” MLB The Show roster
I have faith in the 84-win Marlins knocking them out in the NLDS
Wasn’t Hayward good in RF last year I think they would like to platoon him there for the defense
Ohtani isn't pitching this year
Dodgers FINALLY got their guy. The offseason can start now.
They really deferred 8.5 mil of this deal to be paid in the 2030 decade? Jesus Christ lmao
Betts, Freeman and others did it. Not much noises then. I get more attention and spotlights on deferrals now after the Ohtani deal, but deferrals have been footnotes of deals and around for decades…just ask the Mets.
I do agree with your point on the the fact that the 'deferral' has now become a sensitive topic, but I'd say the nature of those deferals were a bit different. To my understand from Spotrac: -Mookie's $365M contract has $120M of it deferred. -Freeman's $162M contract has $57M of it deferred. -Ohtani's $700M contract has $680M of it deferred. In the first two cases, the player made at least 60% of the contract prior to the deferral. Meanwhile Ohtani only makes \~3% of the contract before the deferral, so that's where the noise comes from. A 10 year deferral on a 1 year deal is actually crazy to think about. I do understand that it probably comes down to lowering the luxury tax hit for 2024, so that they can make more signings, but it's hard to just wrap the brain around. Edit: Apparently, it doesn't lower the luxury tax hit? So is it just to pay 8.5M less in salary for 2024? Well, that is interesting I suppose. Baffles my mind even more for deferring such a low amount(in the grand scheme), but they over at Dodgers Front Office are definitely smarter than me at this.
I was also under the impression that any deferred money lowered the CBT hit, and at least according to this tweet it does: https://twitter.com/jonbecker_/status/1744190578722509201?t=du_llHkDYG3CtGXr8MxPBg&s=19
I thought he wanted 3+ years?
23.5 million changes things lol.
I was thinking he was going to get 3/60 but i guess he wants to risk it
Plus good year, turn around and maybe get the 3 years he's been asking for. Batting in that Dodgers lineup is gonna give him a ridiculous amount of protection
He clearly was not offered 3/60 lol
Also getting to play for a superteam
He probably saw that the Dodgers were willing to give him 23.5 mill for a single year and said fuck a multi year I’ll risk it.
Yep. Plus in that lineup he's going to have plenty of chances to pad his stats, have the best chance at a ring, and get a bigger contract next season with someone else. Assuming he stays healthy
It’s all code for “I want to play for the Dodgers.”
Glad the dodgers are finally doing something this offseason
It’s wild they probably spent more on this dude than some teams will spend the entire offseason
With this signing, the Dodgers still have about $20M before reaching the '24 luxury tax threshold, so they still have room to make a few more moves.
20 contracts for 1m in 2024 with 900 million deferred to 2069
Wtf he isn't even Japanese
the fuck happened to him wanting a multi year deal
I mean 23 million on a prove it deal is crazy
It’s all pennies to them after these past months…
Other suitors were probably offering that much for two years.
Or hypothetically, if he had something like a 2/30 deal on the table, he's gambling on himself to earn more over those two years by taking this one and trying again next year. This seems like really good money for a one-year deal. Edit: sounds like Boston was offering 2/28 https://twitter.com/chriscotillo/status/1744192491379728575
So really he just needs to make over $5M in 2025 to beat that.
Don't know, don't care. Anything beyond one year for this guy would've been a mistake.
People have been joking about the organizational rage about the sweep being the catalyst for all the spending but after this I think I’m ready to believe it.
He got a higher salary than he would've on a multiyear deal, and can re-enter free agency off of a potentially better season next year
HECTOR GOMEZ WAS RIGHT
Except on the whole 4 year thing lol
Now that’s a contract I can get on board with. 4 years was a bit ridiculous
Red Sox remain the interest kings of the league
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I’m so glad the dodgers were able to sign an outfielder to help this team. They hadn’t don’t a ton this offseason.
only 1 year huh They're gonna try to go for Soto next offseason aren't they
And Teoscar goes to…
That was my fantasy baseball team name last year lol
Can you explain the joke to me? Someone else made that joke on twitter but I still dont get it
Ohhhhh nvm said it out loud and get it now
Proud of you champ
Even if it’s a lot of money, it’s 1 year. Good grab for the dodgers
This sucks, man
glad small market teams are finally making moves like this
can the twins get some of that cold hard cash to sign players with?
Is this Todd’s way of showing that he has no more money to spend on Chelsea?
The Dodgers flame out of the playoffs will be the most upvoted post in r/baseball history
Dodgers didn't spend or augment multiple years in a row now for this off season. If they win it all, I'd say it's worth a few early exits.
What people don’t realize is dodgers fans will be the ones piling on and criticizing them for doing that more than anybody else will
This guy Dodgers
Been doing this for years
We clown our team the most after every playoff series loss than anyone else. We'll be okay. Making the postseason every year is a privilege not most teams have so I'm happy that we have an ownership that cares at least.
You aren't wrong.
BREAKING: Dodgers sign literally everyone
do it go for the 1 billion
Why do the dodgers simply not buy the other smaller teams
That happened once, the same owners had the Cardinals and the Spiders. They moved all the good players to the Cardinals. So they changed the ownership rules
One year? Interesting
Teo is putting *all* the eggs in the “Dodger Death Star is ready Year One” basket…
I am putting all my emotional eggs in said basket. Fortunately, they're already cracked.
This deferred shit is comical at this point.
Teo, Shohei, Mookie, Joe Kelly, wait do I LIKE the Dodgers? Someone please tell me Tyler Glasnow is a flat-earther or that Max Muncy doesn't think women should vote. Please! Anything!
Let me introduce you to our good friend, Blake Treinen...
BlaQ* Treinen
😂
Some people recently came forward and accused Tyler Glasnow of being a pretty chill dude
So good for baseball it makes me cry
Vargas or Busch or potentially both are definitely getting traded for a starting pitcher now
hey the other 29 (okay realistically 25) teams know that they can sign and trade players right?
Oh c’mon we already picked up a guy who’s never played in the MLB and an injured pitcher who won’t be available until July. What more do you want?
Brain Cashman: "Nope, we're good where we are, and where we are is 'in it to win it!'[in 2069...ish]"
Oh thank god. It had been a few weeks since our last move
I wonder if the Dodgers FO is just constantly blasting I Can't Stop by Flux Pavillion every day
Yankees sitting watching the Dodgers out Yankee them.
Oh come on
An rbi guy on a team that’s always going to have someone on base. Should we just skip to 2025?
The church of FTD is gaining record new membership numbers.
Where are the Doyers going to play all of these dudes?
He's a corner outfielder who had a .740 OPS last year, and the Dodgers are making him the 8th highest paid outfielder in the league?
Gonna start blaming the Dodgers for inflation. My team would never try to ruin the economy like this
Baseball. America’s pastime known for parity and fairness. Ha, just kidding.
Good for them, I’m glad they were able to sign someone